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		<title>By: lucia</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/channel5-july-average/comment-page-1/#comment-15692</link>
		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Are parameters akin to the factors of Raymond Cattell&#039;s &quot;factor analysis&quot;?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure, but I doubt it! (I&#039;m not familiar with  Raynold Cattell&#039;s &quot;factor analysis&quot; but,mostly, the parameters in AOGCMs&#039; don&#039;t come from factor analyses of anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Are parameters akin to the factors of Raymond Cattell&#8217;s &#8220;factor analysis&#8221;?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure, but I doubt it! (I&#8217;m not familiar with  Raynold Cattell&#8217;s &#8220;factor analysis&#8221; but,mostly, the parameters in AOGCMs&#8217; don&#8217;t come from factor analyses of anything.</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a “functional form” mean something expressed like a typical formula I might see in a high school physics textbook (or college textbook if it were expressed with differentials)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s a good analogy.  The difference is that in your high school physics texts the authors focus on physical processes that are very well understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a “functional form” mean something expressed like a typical formula I might see in a high school physics textbook (or college textbook if it were expressed with differentials)?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a good analogy.  The difference is that in your high school physics texts the authors focus on physical processes that are very well understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Scooter</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/channel5-july-average/comment-page-1/#comment-15681</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting first report from the Channel 5 Action News Team.

Incidentally,  is Roy a verb in &quot;predict that Roy a value&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting first report from the Channel 5 Action News Team.</p>
<p>Incidentally,  is Roy a verb in &#8220;predict that Roy a value&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: HankHenry</title>
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		<dc:creator>HankHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia, another quick followup.  Are parameters akin to the factors of Raymond Cattell&#039;s &quot;factor analysis&quot;?  My formal education in statistics ended when I changed majors from psychology in my sophomore year at college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia, another quick followup.  Are parameters akin to the factors of Raymond Cattell&#8217;s &#8220;factor analysis&#8221;?  My formal education in statistics ended when I changed majors from psychology in my sophomore year at college.</p>
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		<title>By: HankHenry</title>
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		<dc:creator>HankHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia thanks for your reply.  I have been mulling my way through it.  It took a day to dawn on me - Oh, this is the overworn greenhouse metaphor fleshed out as it should be in the skyscraper age.  But aside from that, when you say,  &quot;will specify a) a functional form and b) a value for a parameter,&quot;  does a &quot;functional form&quot; mean something expressed like a typical formula I might see in a high school physics textbook (or college textbook if it were expressed with differentials)?

And the next natural question, when architects and engineers design a skyscraper.  How often do they get the size of their air conditioning units wrong?  Judging from news reports regarding the State of Illinois building in Chicago - It can happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia thanks for your reply.  I have been mulling my way through it.  It took a day to dawn on me &#8211; Oh, this is the overworn greenhouse metaphor fleshed out as it should be in the skyscraper age.  But aside from that, when you say,  &#8220;will specify a) a functional form and b) a value for a parameter,&#8221;  does a &#8220;functional form&#8221; mean something expressed like a typical formula I might see in a high school physics textbook (or college textbook if it were expressed with differentials)?</p>
<p>And the next natural question, when architects and engineers design a skyscraper.  How often do they get the size of their air conditioning units wrong?  Judging from news reports regarding the State of Illinois building in Chicago &#8211; It can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew_FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not unless you&#039;re in calculus!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infintesimal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not unless you&#8217;re in calculus!<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infintesimal" >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infintesimal</a></p>
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		<title>By: BarryW</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/channel5-july-average/comment-page-1/#comment-15636</link>
		<dc:creator>BarryW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t quite go negative but you can&#039;t get much closer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t quite go negative but you can&#8217;t get much closer?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew_FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your all wrong-It&#039;s Zero on the money:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/07/june-2009-global-temperature-anomaly-update-000-deg-c/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your all wrong-It&#8217;s Zero on the money:<br />
<a href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/07/june-2009-global-temperature-anomaly-update-000-deg-c/" >http://www.drroyspencer.com/20.....000-deg-c/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zer0th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zer0th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My self-coded I Ching does UAH forecasts when it&#039;s in the mood: +0.010C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My self-coded I Ching does UAH forecasts when it&#8217;s in the mood: +0.010C</p>
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		<title>By: VG</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/channel5-july-average/comment-page-1/#comment-15626</link>
		<dc:creator>VG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF IF...AH temp -0.087; slope 0.997 in which case i WOULD win LOL not likely though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF IF&#8230;AH temp -0.087; slope 0.997 in which case i WOULD win LOL not likely though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/07/new-paper-cosmic-ray-decreases-affect-atmospheric-aerosols-and-clouds/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Research News&lt;/a&gt;:
Cosmic Ray Decreases Affect Atmospheric Aerosols and Clouds
&lt;blockquote&gt;Close passages of coronal mass ejections from the sun are signaled at the Earth’s surface by Forbush decreases in cosmic ray counts. We find that low clouds contain less liquid water following Forbush decreases (FDs), and for the most influential events the liquid water in the oceanic atmosphere can diminish by as much as 7%. Cloud water content as gauged by the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) reaches a minimum around 7 days after the Forbush minimum in cosmic rays, and so does the fraction of low clouds seen by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) and in the International Satellite Cloud Climate Project (ISCCP). Parallel observations by the aerosol robotic network AERONET reveal falls in the relative abundance of fine aerosol particles which, in normal circumstances, could have evolved into cloud condensation nuclei (CCN). Thus a link between the sun, cosmic rays, aerosols, and liquid-water clouds appears to exist on a global scale.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Svensmark, H., T. Bondo, and J. Svensmark (2009),
Cosmic ray decreases affect atmospheric aerosols and clouds,
Geophys. Res. Lett., doi:10.1029/2009GL038429, in press.
(accepted 17 June 2009)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/07/new-paper-cosmic-ray-decreases-affect-atmospheric-aerosols-and-clouds/" >Climate Research News</a>:<br />
Cosmic Ray Decreases Affect Atmospheric Aerosols and Clouds</p>
<blockquote><p>Close passages of coronal mass ejections from the sun are signaled at the Earth’s surface by Forbush decreases in cosmic ray counts. We find that low clouds contain less liquid water following Forbush decreases (FDs), and for the most influential events the liquid water in the oceanic atmosphere can diminish by as much as 7%. Cloud water content as gauged by the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) reaches a minimum around 7 days after the Forbush minimum in cosmic rays, and so does the fraction of low clouds seen by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) and in the International Satellite Cloud Climate Project (ISCCP). Parallel observations by the aerosol robotic network AERONET reveal falls in the relative abundance of fine aerosol particles which, in normal circumstances, could have evolved into cloud condensation nuclei (CCN). Thus a link between the sun, cosmic rays, aerosols, and liquid-water clouds appears to exist on a global scale.</p></blockquote>
<p>Svensmark, H., T. Bondo, and J. Svensmark (2009),<br />
Cosmic ray decreases affect atmospheric aerosols and clouds,<br />
Geophys. Res. Lett., doi:10.1029/2009GL038429, in press.<br />
(accepted 17 June 2009)</p>
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		<title>By: The Blackboard » Channel5 July Average &#124; H2O Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Blackboard » Channel5 July Average &#124; H2O Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Walter Dnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Dnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying for several months to get a correlation between one or more of the UAH dailies, and the UAH monthly.  I finally gave up on that.  I have had some success &quot;predicting&quot; Hadley+GISS, using a two-step process involving RSS monthly and UAH &quot;near surface&quot; daily ch04.  Here are the steps...

1) Calculate a raw projection based on the last 12 months of data.  *THIS IS NOT MY JUNE FORECAST*. For June, I have...
Hadley temp 0.385; slope 0.407
GISS temp 0.40; slope 0.602
UAH temp -0.087; slope 0.997
RSS temp 0.113; slope 0.922

2) Wait for RSS to come out, and make my June forecasts as follows...
delta = RSS(June) - 0.113
Hadley = 0.385 + delta * 0.407 / 0.922
GISS = 0.40 + delta * 0.602 / 0.922

I don&#039;t bother with UAH monthly, because it seems all over the place.  Anyhow, Roy publishes it on his blog at http://www.drroyspencer.com/category/blogarticle/ before updating the monthly temperature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying for several months to get a correlation between one or more of the UAH dailies, and the UAH monthly.  I finally gave up on that.  I have had some success &#8220;predicting&#8221; Hadley+GISS, using a two-step process involving RSS monthly and UAH &#8220;near surface&#8221; daily ch04.  Here are the steps&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Calculate a raw projection based on the last 12 months of data.  *THIS IS NOT MY JUNE FORECAST*. For June, I have&#8230;<br />
Hadley temp 0.385; slope 0.407<br />
GISS temp 0.40; slope 0.602<br />
UAH temp -0.087; slope 0.997<br />
RSS temp 0.113; slope 0.922</p>
<p>2) Wait for RSS to come out, and make my June forecasts as follows&#8230;<br />
delta = RSS(June) &#8211; 0.113<br />
Hadley = 0.385 + delta * 0.407 / 0.922<br />
GISS = 0.40 + delta * 0.602 / 0.922</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t bother with UAH monthly, because it seems all over the place.  Anyhow, Roy publishes it on his blog at <a href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/category/blogarticle/" >http://www.drroyspencer.com/category/blogarticle/</a> before updating the monthly temperature.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess -0.32 so (maybe) I can claim its actually warming up faster than predicted.</description>
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		<title>By: Anthony Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My SWAG for UAH is -.03</description>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terabytes of data? I don&#039;t want to deal with terabytes of data just to try to predict next months anomaly.  Someone else is going to have to come up with that indicator.</description>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moving average flux optical depth gives you a leading indicator of the solar absorption which affects the temperature SLOPE. This would help you project the temperature trend and thus the monthly temperature anomaly. The actual result could be refined/corrected the following month.

Note: &lt;blockquote&gt;Aqua Mission
Aqua is a major international Earth Science satellite mission centered at NASA. Launched on May 4, 2002, the satellite has six different Earth-observing instruments on board and is named for the large amount of information being obtained about water in the Earth system from its stream of approximately 89 Gigabytes of data a day. The water variables being measured include almost all elements of the water cycle and involve water in its liquid, solid, and vapor forms. Additional variables being measured include radiative energy fluxes, aerosols, vegetation cover on the land, phytoplankton and dissolved organic matter in the oceans, and air, land, and water temperatures.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
2.7 Terabytes of data per month should give you plenty to play with!

More importantly, showing the trends in H2O optical depth, the CO2 optical depth and the Total optical depth should clearly show the relative impacts and the amplification factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moving average flux optical depth gives you a leading indicator of the solar absorption which affects the temperature SLOPE. This would help you project the temperature trend and thus the monthly temperature anomaly. The actual result could be refined/corrected the following month.</p>
<p>Note:<br />
<blockquote>Aqua Mission<br />
Aqua is a major international Earth Science satellite mission centered at NASA. Launched on May 4, 2002, the satellite has six different Earth-observing instruments on board and is named for the large amount of information being obtained about water in the Earth system from its stream of approximately 89 Gigabytes of data a day. The water variables being measured include almost all elements of the water cycle and involve water in its liquid, solid, and vapor forms. Additional variables being measured include radiative energy fluxes, aerosols, vegetation cover on the land, phytoplankton and dissolved organic matter in the oceans, and air, land, and water temperatures.</p></blockquote>
<p>2.7 Terabytes of data per month should give you plenty to play with!</p>
<p>More importantly, showing the trends in H2O optical depth, the CO2 optical depth and the Total optical depth should clearly show the relative impacts and the amplification factor.</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David-- 
The specific humidity for June isn&#039;t available yet. So, Miscolski and figured out how to compute Miscolski&#039;s flux optical depth, I couldn&#039;t calculate it for June yet.  I suspect Roy will post his temperature anomaly &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/I&gt; the data to compute &quot;flux optical depth&quot; are available. So, whether Miscolski is right or wrong,  this isn&#039;t going to work as a leading indicator for monthly temperature anomalies because I can&#039;t get the data to compute it until after the thing we want to predict is posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8211;<br />
The specific humidity for June isn&#8217;t available yet. So, Miscolski and figured out how to compute Miscolski&#8217;s flux optical depth, I couldn&#8217;t calculate it for June yet.  I suspect Roy will post his temperature anomaly <i>before</i> the data to compute &#8220;flux optical depth&#8221; are available. So, whether Miscolski is right or wrong,  this isn&#8217;t going to work as a leading indicator for monthly temperature anomalies because I can&#8217;t get the data to compute it until after the thing we want to predict is posted.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia

After his figure 19, see Miskolczi&#039;s (2009) graphs:
&quot;Trends in the NOAA 61 year series&quot; where he shows annual data for &lt;a href=&quot;http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image048.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Temperature&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image048.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H2O column amount&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image048.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CO2 column amount&lt;/a&gt;.
Below that he shows:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image050.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Trends in Flux Optical Depth&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

As data is available, I am suggesting that it might be possible to calculate monthly &quot;Flux Optical Depth&quot;. 
NOAA nominally provides monthly values for Air Temperature, and specific humidity. (Though it would take some digging to trace raw data to delivered parameters.) CO2 is available from Mauna Loa. 
With those parameters, Miskolczi calculates the flux optical depth with his very high resolution HARTCODE. 

(I don&#039;t think this depends on the planetary greenhouse theory he developed. The moisture and CO2 lapse rate could be included for refinement.)

There are also new satellites providing current &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;detailed H2O&lt;/a&gt; and CO2 with altitude and location. (Apparently the 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/oco/mission/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orbiting Carbon Observatory &lt;/a&gt; didn&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/oco/main/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;make it into orbit.&lt;/a&gt;)
It would be worth a megabuck grant and several PhD theses to evaluate those for a more accurate global flux optical depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia</p>
<p>After his figure 19, see Miskolczi&#8217;s (2009) graphs:<br />
&#8220;Trends in the NOAA 61 year series&#8221; where he shows annual data for <a href="http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image048.jpg" >Temperature</a>, <a href="http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image048.jpg" >H2O column amount</a>, and <a href="http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image048.jpg" >CO2 column amount</a>.<br />
Below that he shows:<br />
<a href="http://hpsregi.elte.hu/zagoni/NEW/New_developments_elemei/image050.jpg" >&#8220;Trends in Flux Optical Depth&#8221;</a></p>
<p>As data is available, I am suggesting that it might be possible to calculate monthly &#8220;Flux Optical Depth&#8221;.<br />
NOAA nominally provides monthly values for Air Temperature, and specific humidity. (Though it would take some digging to trace raw data to delivered parameters.) CO2 is available from Mauna Loa.<br />
With those parameters, Miskolczi calculates the flux optical depth with his very high resolution HARTCODE. </p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t think this depends on the planetary greenhouse theory he developed. The moisture and CO2 lapse rate could be included for refinement.)</p>
<p>There are also new satellites providing current <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html" >detailed H2O</a> and CO2 with altitude and location. (Apparently the<br />
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/oco/mission/index.html" >Orbiting Carbon Observatory </a> didn&#8217;t <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/oco/main/" >make it into orbit.</a>)<br />
It would be worth a megabuck grant and several PhD theses to evaluate those for a more accurate global flux optical depth.</p>
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		<description>David--
I don&#039;t entirely understand Miscolski. That said, my impression is that he never tried to predict &lt;i&gt;monthly&lt;/i&gt; fluctuations, did he?  I don&#039;t know where I would get monthly measurements of optical depths or even CO2 and H20, and especially don&#039;t know how I could get them before the temperatures are published. This would make it very difficult to use either to predict a monthly temperature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8211;<br />
I don&#8217;t entirely understand Miscolski. That said, my impression is that he never tried to predict <i>monthly</i> fluctuations, did he?  I don&#8217;t know where I would get monthly measurements of optical depths or even CO2 and H20, and especially don&#8217;t know how I could get them before the temperatures are published. This would make it very difficult to use either to predict a monthly temperature.</p>
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