Comments on: Cold Start to Chicago July: Ring of Fire in Forecast. http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/ Where Climate Talk Gets Hot! Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:26:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MarkB http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15633 MarkB Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:33:04 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15633 New England has spent the last three weeks in a Ring of Drizzle - much lower than average temps due to the jet stream looping down from Canada. Damn Canadians. New England has spent the last three weeks in a Ring of Drizzle – much lower than average temps due to the jet stream looping down from Canada. Damn Canadians.

]]> By: lucia http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15630 lucia Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:32:45 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15630 "El Dunno" wins the thread! “El Dunno” wins the thread!

]]> By: George Tobin http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15628 George Tobin Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:04:58 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15628 This may or may not be a transitional period from El Niño to La Niña or even a whole new phenom (see: http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6464). So for the time period I think we should tag it an El Dunno phase in which all apparent changes in temperature confirm any expectations we pretend we already had. Somehow, "Ring of Fire" seems a bit melodramatic for northern Illinois weather. If we are going to go poetic why not a Richard Lindzen meets Carl Sandburg thing like "Iris Effect Flinging Magnetic Curses" season; or maybe a more earthy "Stormy, husky, brawling--da weather!" Thunder and lightning Bring really lame metaphors and haikus that suck This may or may not be a transitional period from El Niño to La Niña or even a whole new phenom (see: http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6464).

So for the time period I think we should tag it an El Dunno phase in which all apparent changes in temperature confirm any expectations we pretend we already had.

Somehow, “Ring of Fire” seems a bit melodramatic for northern Illinois weather. If we are going to go poetic why not a Richard Lindzen meets Carl Sandburg thing like “Iris Effect Flinging Magnetic Curses” season; or maybe a more earthy “Stormy, husky, brawling–da weather!”

Thunder and lightning
Bring really lame metaphors
and haikus that suck

]]> By: oliver http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15625 oliver Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:16:13 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15625 Bill, Don't we usually have coolish Junes and warm Januaries in general? Bill,
Don’t we usually have coolish Junes and warm Januaries in general?

]]> By: Bill Jamison http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15610 Bill Jamison Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:59:11 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15610 Here in San Diego, June was also cooler than normal by 2.2F. We only had a single day that was above average, hitting 73 degrees while the average for the date is 72. What I thought was most interesting is that the average temp for June was just 0.6F higher than that of January! Needless to say, we had an incredibly warm January. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/climate/monthdisp.php?stn=KSAN&year=2009&mon=6&wfo=sgx Here in San Diego, June was also cooler than normal by 2.2F. We only had a single day that was above average, hitting 73 degrees while the average for the date is 72.

What I thought was most interesting is that the average temp for June was just 0.6F higher than that of January! Needless to say, we had an incredibly warm January.

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/climat.....mp;wfo=sgx

]]> By: Andrew_KY http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15605 Andrew_KY Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:54:29 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15605 Likewise, a particular change in the global temperature anomaly is not necessarily anything anyone ever experiences, cares about or notices. BTW, the AC at my house is still off. July so far has been two nights of Wonderful Sleeping Weather in The Summer. Can some brilliant modeler somewhere produce a model ensemble that tells me the probability that I'll have more or less of these kind of nights in the future? I hope the trend is up! :wink: Andrew Likewise, a particular change in the global temperature anomaly is not necessarily anything anyone ever experiences, cares about or notices.

BTW, the AC at my house is still off. July so far has been two nights of Wonderful Sleeping Weather in The Summer. Can some brilliant modeler somewhere produce a model ensemble that tells me the probability that I’ll have more or less of these kind of nights in the future? I hope the trend is up! :wink:

Andrew

]]> By: lucia http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15597 lucia Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:45:10 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15597 oliver--No. You get real fires. Ours our usually metaphorical rings of fire. It's been a long time since the midwest experienced regularly occuring huge prarie fires or Chicago burned. oliver–No. You get real fires. Ours our usually metaphorical rings of fire. It’s been a long time since the midwest experienced regularly occuring huge prarie fires or Chicago burned.

]]> By: oliver http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15589 oliver Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:40:22 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15589 Your "rings of fire" are nothing like the ones we get out here in SoCal! :o Your “rings of fire” are nothing like the ones we get out here in SoCal! :o

]]> By: David Gould http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15586 David Gould Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:01:24 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15586 Excellent. :) Excellent. :)

]]> By: lucia http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15585 lucia Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:59:08 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15585 <blockquote> It is impossible for you or I to guess, based on our own personal experience, what the global temperature anomaly is going to be for June.</blockquote> No one suggested we could. I suggested winter may be warm if El Nino hardens. That's often what happens in the midwest during El Nino.

It is impossible for you or I to guess, based on our own personal experience, what the global temperature anomaly is going to be for June.

No one suggested we could. I suggested winter may be warm if El Nino hardens. That’s often what happens in the midwest during El Nino.

]]> By: David Gould http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15583 David Gould Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:39:17 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15583 I guess what I am trying to point out is that a single area of the globe is not much of an indicator as to what is occuring across the whole of the globe. It is impossible for you or I to guess, based on our own personal experience, what the global temperature anomaly is going to be for June. I guess what I am trying to point out is that a single area of the globe is not much of an indicator as to what is occuring across the whole of the globe. It is impossible for you or I to guess, based on our own personal experience, what the global temperature anomaly is going to be for June.

]]> By: David Gould http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15582 David Gould Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:38:03 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15582 In Canberra, Australia, June temperatures were 1.5 degrees centigrade above average. Rainfall was minus 5 mm. Temperature anomaly for the year to date here is at least +1 degrees centigrade, and we are more than 100mm down on year-to-date average rainfall. El Nino coming is bad news for south-eastern Australia. :( In Canberra, Australia, June temperatures were 1.5 degrees centigrade above average. Rainfall was minus 5 mm. Temperature anomaly for the year to date here is at least +1 degrees centigrade, and we are more than 100mm down on year-to-date average rainfall. El Nino coming is bad news for south-eastern Australia. :(

]]> By: Chuck Lampert http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15581 Chuck Lampert Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:21:39 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15581 Lucia, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the El Nino may fall apart by the late fall or winter and historical analogs suggest that we could be in for an "old-fashioned" winter a' la the 1960's. As soon as stores start selling snow-blowers, I am going to buy one. June's average temperature was 3.8 degrees below normal and rainfall was +5.44" (at least according to my backyard weather station in NE NJ) and for the year, 0.6 degrees below normal and precip +1.58". I am very interested in the global temperature anomalies for June. Lucia, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the El Nino may fall apart by the late fall or winter and historical analogs suggest that we could be in for an “old-fashioned” winter a’ la the 1960’s. As soon as stores start selling snow-blowers, I am going to buy one.

June’s average temperature was 3.8 degrees below normal and rainfall was +5.44″ (at least according to my backyard weather station in NE NJ) and for the year, 0.6 degrees below normal and precip +1.58″. I am very interested in the global temperature anomalies for June.

]]> By: Bob D http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15580 Bob D Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:06:18 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15580 A word disappeared there because I put angled brackets around it. It should read "Hold down the <Alt> key and type 164" A word disappeared there because I put angled brackets around it. It should read “Hold down the <Alt> key and type 164″

]]> By: Bob D http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15579 Bob D Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:03:39 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15579 <blockquote>VG (Comment#15575) July 1st, 2009 at 5:27 pm BTW how can we get Spanish “enye” symbol over 2nd n for La Nina here so we can put correct word?</blockquote>Hold down the key and type 164 on the number pad (make sure Num Lock is on). Like so: El Niño There are plenty of sites that show the key codes, here's the one I used: <a href="http://www.irongeek.com/alt-numpad-ascii-key-combos-and-chart.html" rel="nofollow">ALT+NUMPAD ASCII Key Combos</a>

VG (Comment#15575) July 1st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
BTW how can we get Spanish “enye” symbol over 2nd n for La Nina here so we can put correct word?

Hold down the key and type 164 on the number pad (make sure Num Lock is on). Like so: El Niño
There are plenty of sites that show the key codes, here’s the one I used:
ALT+NUMPAD ASCII Key Combos

]]> By: Earle Williams http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15577 Earle Williams Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:37:56 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15577 VG, Other way around, I think. El nino causes warming, la nina causes cooling. VG,

Other way around, I think. El nino causes warming, la nina causes cooling.

]]> By: VG http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/cold-start-to-chicago-july-ring-of-fire-in-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-15575 VG Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:27:44 +0000 http://rankexploits.com/musings/?p=5620#comment-15575 According to AGW = La Nina will make it much worse. Because you know, they (AGW) said El Nino was responsible for fall in temps during 2008. Well we have the beginnings of a Nina 2009, lets see what they will say if temps continue to fall? (as its seems to date anyway). BTW how can we get Spanish “enye” symbol over 2nd n for La Nina here so we can put correct word? Think I got the El ninos la ninas right I hope or was it the other way round? According to AGW = La Nina will make it much worse. Because you know, they (AGW) said El Nino was responsible for fall in temps during 2008. Well we have the beginnings of a Nina 2009, lets see what they will say if temps continue to fall? (as its seems to date anyway). BTW how can we get Spanish “enye” symbol over 2nd n for La Nina here so we can put correct word? Think I got the El ninos la ninas right I hope or was it the other way round?

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