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		<title>By: Robert E. Phelan</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24642</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert E. Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>boballab (Comment#24441)

what you say is true, but, In&#039;ch&#039;Allah, not for much longer.</description>
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<p>what you say is true, but, In&#8217;ch&#8217;Allah, not for much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: boballab</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24441</link>
		<dc:creator>boballab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert E. Phelan (Comment#24436)

Why start a new second career writing altenative history novels, right now he is gainfully employed writing science fiction, bad science fiction true, but science fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert E. Phelan (Comment#24436)</p>
<p>Why start a new second career writing altenative history novels, right now he is gainfully employed writing science fiction, bad science fiction true, but science fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert E. Phelan</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24436</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert E. Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response was not nearly as polite as yours, Lucia. If there is any justice in this world, Dr. Raypierre will soon be able to start a second career writing alternative history novels.  He certainly won&#039;t be able to make a living at it, the way Turtledove or Flint, do, but at least he&#039;ll have something to occupy his time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response was not nearly as polite as yours, Lucia. If there is any justice in this world, Dr. Raypierre will soon be able to start a second career writing alternative history novels.  He certainly won&#8217;t be able to make a living at it, the way Turtledove or Flint, do, but at least he&#8217;ll have something to occupy his time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lichanos</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24425</link>
		<dc:creator>Lichanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on!</p>
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		<title>By: Spence_UK</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24408</link>
		<dc:creator>Spence_UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raypierre&#039;s comment shows an astonishing lack of reason and judgement.  It&#039;s almost a spot-the-fallacy wordsearch.  You&#039;d think a *scientist* would do better than this.

Ranging from outright speculation, appeal to emotion, irrelevance (what has the difficulty in hacking a system got to do with the ethics of it?), smears, guilt by association... My personal favourite though is the slippery slope argument at the end (where he ramps knitting up to thermonuclear armageddon in six easy steps)

Revkin did the sceptics a favour by highlighting this post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raypierre&#8217;s comment shows an astonishing lack of reason and judgement.  It&#8217;s almost a spot-the-fallacy wordsearch.  You&#8217;d think a *scientist* would do better than this.</p>
<p>Ranging from outright speculation, appeal to emotion, irrelevance (what has the difficulty in hacking a system got to do with the ethics of it?), smears, guilt by association&#8230; My personal favourite though is the slippery slope argument at the end (where he ramps knitting up to thermonuclear armageddon in six easy steps)</p>
<p>Revkin did the sceptics a favour by highlighting this post!</p>
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		<title>By: boballab</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24400</link>
		<dc:creator>boballab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beck Has it on his show on Fox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beck Has it on his show on Fox</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24394</link>
		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counter argument? Did Raypierre actually present an argument?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counter argument? Did Raypierre actually present an argument?</p>
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		<title>By: HankHenry</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24393</link>
		<dc:creator>HankHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Andy Revkin is looking for someone to provide him an article to serve as counterpoint to raypierre&#039;s characterization of this as an act of terrorism.  it&#039;s after post # 82. Lucia&#039;s is post #58.

Revkin says:
Thanks for reminding folks what this &quot;Your Dot&quot; feature is about. I&#039;ll be posting a voice rebutting the &quot;cyberterrorism&quot; assertion as soon as I can get someone who&#039;s a non-anonymous contributor to step forward with a reasoned, substantiated counterargument.

I am not a writer; anyone here up for the challenge?  My only thought is that &quot;terrorism&quot; is a loaded word that is tricky to use.  I believe I once heard that the &quot;christian science monitor&quot; does not let its writers use it lest in injects opinion into their objective writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Andy Revkin is looking for someone to provide him an article to serve as counterpoint to raypierre&#8217;s characterization of this as an act of terrorism.  it&#8217;s after post # 82. Lucia&#8217;s is post #58.</p>
<p>Revkin says:<br />
Thanks for reminding folks what this &#8220;Your Dot&#8221; feature is about. I&#8217;ll be posting a voice rebutting the &#8220;cyberterrorism&#8221; assertion as soon as I can get someone who&#8217;s a non-anonymous contributor to step forward with a reasoned, substantiated counterargument.</p>
<p>I am not a writer; anyone here up for the challenge?  My only thought is that &#8220;terrorism&#8221; is a loaded word that is tricky to use.  I believe I once heard that the &#8220;christian science monitor&#8221; does not let its writers use it lest in injects opinion into their objective writing.</p>
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		<title>By: HankHenry</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24353</link>
		<dc:creator>HankHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying raypierre&#039;s disconcert at Revkin&#039;s lack of indignation.  Just a bit too prissy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not buying raypierre&#8217;s disconcert at Revkin&#8217;s lack of indignation.  Just a bit too prissy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Harvey</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24346</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess that was not exactly news. Just put it down to slow but independent research.

Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess that was not exactly news. Just put it down to slow but independent research.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh... my blog is hinky.  I keep getting error messages. (This predates the spike in traffic due to the &#039;CRU Hack&#039;. Dreamhost is aware of the problem and it&#039;s just equipment related.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230; my blog is hinky.  I keep getting error messages. (This predates the spike in traffic due to the &#8216;CRU Hack&#8217;. Dreamhost is aware of the problem and it&#8217;s just equipment related.)</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raven--
It was length. I didn&#039;t notice the &#039;number of characters&#039; tally last night.  After you submit, it doesn&#039;t put up a big red banner saying &quot;You long winded coot! I&#039;ve put your comment in the spam bin!!!&quot;  

This morning, I retried. I was the &#039;number of characters&#039; tally, edited and submitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raven&#8211;<br />
It was length. I didn&#8217;t notice the &#8216;number of characters&#8217; tally last night.  After you submit, it doesn&#8217;t put up a big red banner saying &#8220;You long winded coot! I&#8217;ve put your comment in the spam bin!!!&#8221;  </p>
<p>This morning, I retried. I was the &#8216;number of characters&#8217; tally, edited and submitted.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Harvey</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24343</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The HARRY_READ_ME.txt is a bit of a labyrinth, but it is recent 2006-2009 and does contain:

&quot;Back to the gridding. I am seriously worried that our flagship gridded data product is produced by Delaunay triangulation - apparently linear as well.&quot;

So maybe he was working with CRUTEM3 software/data.

Also:

&quot;What about the ones I used for the CRUTEM3 work with Phil Brohan?&quot;

Does this mean that Hadley Centre bods do work on CRUTEM3?

Also I wonder if this is the work of:

Mr. Ian (Harry) Harris:
Dendroclimatology, climate scenario development, data manipulation and visualisation, programming
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/

ALex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HARRY_READ_ME.txt is a bit of a labyrinth, but it is recent 2006-2009 and does contain:</p>
<p>&#8220;Back to the gridding. I am seriously worried that our flagship gridded data product is produced by Delaunay triangulation &#8211; apparently linear as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>So maybe he was working with CRUTEM3 software/data.</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p>&#8220;What about the ones I used for the CRUTEM3 work with Phil Brohan?&#8221;</p>
<p>Does this mean that Hadley Centre bods do work on CRUTEM3?</p>
<p>Also I wonder if this is the work of:</p>
<p>Mr. Ian (Harry) Harris:<br />
Dendroclimatology, climate scenario development, data manipulation and visualisation, programming<br />
<a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/" >http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/</a></p>
<p>ALex</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh.. it was about 300 characters to long. I deleted the introductory paragraph and resubmitted. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh.. it was about 300 characters to long. I deleted the introductory paragraph and resubmitted. <img src='http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill-- I&#039;m going to try to resubmit. I always forget my NYT password, and my mac doesn&#039;t seem to remember the right one. I&#039;m in the &quot;forgot your password&quot; loop. Sigh. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8211; I&#8217;m going to try to resubmit. I always forget my NYT password, and my mac doesn&#8217;t seem to remember the right one. I&#8217;m in the &#8220;forgot your password&#8221; loop. Sigh. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia,

I would bet the spam filter because of length.

Andy has never deleted any of my comments which are generally more confrontational than yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia,</p>
<p>I would bet the spam filter because of length.</p>
<p>Andy has never deleted any of my comments which are generally more confrontational than yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Illis</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/posted-at-dotearth/comment-page-1/#comment-24338</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Illis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>				I hope they publish your letter.  It deserves its own post.

[edit, I didn&#039;t Lucia&#039;s comment above before I posted].

Resubmit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they publish your letter.  It deserves its own post.</p>
<p>[edit, I didn't Lucia's comment above before I posted].</p>
<p>Resubmit it.</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang! My comment didn&#039;t get posted! I didn&#039;t think the tone was too vitriolic and/or in other ways too obnoxious. Oh well.  Either the spam filter ate it, or Andy doesn&#039;t like my style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang! My comment didn&#8217;t get posted! I didn&#8217;t think the tone was too vitriolic and/or in other ways too obnoxious. Oh well.  Either the spam filter ate it, or Andy doesn&#8217;t like my style.</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“I also think the RC claim is BS. It makes no sense because any hacker would know that the material would be taken down immediately. If RC was, in fact, hacked the only thing the hacker would do is post a page linking to the download.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think Gavin is telling the truth here. I read a longer discussion somewhere. It sounds as if someone tried to hack into the Wordpress account possibly with the intention of creating and publishing their own post.

Wordpress accounts can and have been hacked.  My knitting blog was hacked long ago.  There are bunches of things people can do to make it more difficult to hack their blog than other peoples. For example, you can add a plugin that will only let you try the login/password combination three times. After that, it locks you out for 15 minutes. (This slows people who might write a script to try login/password combination.)  You can use htaccess to put a second layer of protection (either by second password or by IP)  But... well.. those methods don&#039;t always work. 

Eitherway, I should think whoever did this might easily be motivated to upload material to WP. That still doesn&#039;t prove there was any high level of sophistication. When my knitting blog was hacked long,long ago, I clicked the link they left in the post they added. It was to a link to a page that warned you to be more secure! I then googled around more and it appeared to be a band of teenager... playing a game!  They were keeping score of how many blogs they defaced and they got points when their post appeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I also think the RC claim is BS. It makes no sense because any hacker would know that the material would be taken down immediately. If RC was, in fact, hacked the only thing the hacker would do is post a page linking to the download.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Gavin is telling the truth here. I read a longer discussion somewhere. It sounds as if someone tried to hack into the Wordpress account possibly with the intention of creating and publishing their own post.</p>
<p>Wordpress accounts can and have been hacked.  My knitting blog was hacked long ago.  There are bunches of things people can do to make it more difficult to hack their blog than other peoples. For example, you can add a plugin that will only let you try the login/password combination three times. After that, it locks you out for 15 minutes. (This slows people who might write a script to try login/password combination.)  You can use htaccess to put a second layer of protection (either by second password or by IP)  But&#8230; well.. those methods don&#8217;t always work. </p>
<p>Eitherway, I should think whoever did this might easily be motivated to upload material to WP. That still doesn&#8217;t prove there was any high level of sophistication. When my knitting blog was hacked long,long ago, I clicked the link they left in the post they added. It was to a link to a page that warned you to be more secure! I then googled around more and it appeared to be a band of teenager&#8230; playing a game!  They were keeping score of how many blogs they defaced and they got points when their post appeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange. Andy has clear the post queue this morning but your response did not show up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange. Andy has clear the post queue this morning but your response did not show up.</p>
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