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		<title>By: Niche Modeling &#187; Rhamstorf Reamed</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/comment-page-2/#comment-29735</link>
		<dc:creator>Niche Modeling &#187; Rhamstorf Reamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] search Niche Modelling, and see ClimateAudit, the Blackboard, as well as many other posts from these and other statistical blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zorita sobre el Diagnóstico Copenhague: esconder y asustar &#171; PlazaMoyua.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zorita sobre el Diagnóstico Copenhague: esconder y asustar &#171; PlazaMoyua.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lucia: http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lucia: <a href="http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/" >http://rankexploits.com/musing.....smoothing/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/comment-page-2/#comment-16098</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously there are many more powerful statistical tools for testing hypothesis and models than simply plotting and eyeballing.   Even a non-statistician like me has bumped into things like Student&#039;s T, Chi-squared, etc and I have no doubt that there are others much more appropriate for testing the various hypotheses, often implicit, of the models.

My interest is in the public policy impact.  I see figure 3 in the Copenhagen synthesis report as kind of like a mini-version the hockey stick, whose pubic policy impact far exceeded its scientific value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously there are many more powerful statistical tools for testing hypothesis and models than simply plotting and eyeballing.   Even a non-statistician like me has bumped into things like Student&#8217;s T, Chi-squared, etc and I have no doubt that there are others much more appropriate for testing the various hypotheses, often implicit, of the models.</p>
<p>My interest is in the public policy impact.  I see figure 3 in the Copenhagen synthesis report as kind of like a mini-version the hockey stick, whose pubic policy impact far exceeded its scientific value.</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/comment-page-2/#comment-16097</link>
		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie-- 
I&#039;ve often discussed the issue of selecting baselines on these sorts of tests and agree with Steve that the centering issue matters.  This is particularly true when the modelers test their models by centering based on &lt;i&gt;recent&lt;/i&gt; time period and eyeball &lt;i&gt;anomaly&lt;/i&gt; graphs.

The reason I prefer to examine trends is that the choice of baseline matters less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie&#8211;<br />
I&#8217;ve often discussed the issue of selecting baselines on these sorts of tests and agree with Steve that the centering issue matters.  This is particularly true when the modelers test their models by centering based on <i>recent</i> time period and eyeball <i>anomaly</i> graphs.</p>
<p>The reason I prefer to examine trends is that the choice of baseline matters less.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/comment-page-2/#comment-16096</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The figure in this post is enlightening, but shows only the effect of the filtering.   As noted http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6513 &quot;Rahm-Centering: Enhancing &#039;Successful&#039; Prediction&quot;, the rhetorical effect of the figure is also significantly changed by single year centering of the model on the 1990 Rahmstorf-filtered value.

What would the figure at the top of this post look like with a more widely accepted centering, such as 1961-1990 reference period?

Or asked a slightly different way, what would Figure 3 of the Copenhagen report look like if done using more generally accepted methods of centering and filtering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The figure in this post is enlightening, but shows only the effect of the filtering.   As noted <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6513" >http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6513</a> &#8220;Rahm-Centering: Enhancing &#8216;Successful&#8217; Prediction&#8221;, the rhetorical effect of the figure is also significantly changed by single year centering of the model on the 1990 Rahmstorf-filtered value.</p>
<p>What would the figure at the top of this post look like with a more widely accepted centering, such as 1961-1990 reference period?</p>
<p>Or asked a slightly different way, what would Figure 3 of the Copenhagen report look like if done using more generally accepted methods of centering and filtering?</p>
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		<title>By: The Blackboard &#187; Interesting Quote from GRL Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Blackboard &#187; Interesting Quote from GRL Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like changing the characteristics of their smoothing filters without notifying readers. (See (1), (2), and  (3).) Until that time, a not-insignificant number of people who believe model [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like changing the characteristics of their smoothing filters without notifying readers. (See (1), (2), and  (3).) Until that time, a not-insignificant number of people who believe model [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrick--
Yes. If we indicated the end region in Rahmstorf, it would start at 2008-(15-1)/2 = 2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrick&#8211;<br />
Yes. If we indicated the end region in Rahmstorf, it would start at 2008-(15-1)/2 = 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Sure. But we have data back to 1900 and even earlier. So, that doesn’t end up being important in the climate-blog-war debate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, it kind of does, because Rahmstorf includes the end-points in their figure.

If they go from N=11 to N=15 in going from their 2005 figure to their 2007 figure, and they had dropped the last N/2 points, wouldn&#039;t they have stopped at the year 2000 in both cases?

Also the prior to 1900 isn&#039;t even an issue here, because nobody is debating the Earth is warming.  The only question in hand is how much of it is from anthropogenic activity.

If you look at the combined effects of CO2 (warms) and sulfates (cools) from anthropogenic activity, most models don&#039;t show much net impact from human impact till circa 1980.  (I use the criteria a net 0.1C increase for the &quot;much&quot; qualifier.)

See, e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3635/3524448544_6aa876a92a.jpg?v=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this figure.&lt;/a&gt; 

(See &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Climate_Change_Attribution.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the wikipedia figure and caption for more details.&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Sure. But we have data back to 1900 and even earlier. So, that doesn’t end up being important in the climate-blog-war debate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it kind of does, because Rahmstorf includes the end-points in their figure.</p>
<p>If they go from N=11 to N=15 in going from their 2005 figure to their 2007 figure, and they had dropped the last N/2 points, wouldn&#8217;t they have stopped at the year 2000 in both cases?</p>
<p>Also the prior to 1900 isn&#8217;t even an issue here, because nobody is debating the Earth is warming.  The only question in hand is how much of it is from anthropogenic activity.</p>
<p>If you look at the combined effects of CO2 (warms) and sulfates (cools) from anthropogenic activity, most models don&#8217;t show much net impact from human impact till circa 1980.  (I use the criteria a net 0.1C increase for the &#8220;much&#8221; qualifier.)</p>
<p>See, e.g., <a href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3635/3524448544_6aa876a92a.jpg?v=0" >this figure.</a> </p>
<p>(See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Climate_Change_Attribution.png" >the wikipedia figure and caption for more details.</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrick--
&lt;blockquote&gt;Wouldn&#039;t you agree that this is an argument for dropping N/2 from the front and end of the detrended series?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sure. But we have data back to 1900 and even earlier. So, that doesn&#039;t end up being important in the climate-blog-war debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrick&#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>Wouldn&#8217;t you agree that this is an argument for dropping N/2 from the front and end of the detrended series?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure. But we have data back to 1900 and even earlier. So, that doesn&#8217;t end up being important in the climate-blog-war debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrick</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/comment-page-1/#comment-15659</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia: &lt;blockquote&gt; Diagnosing anything withing N/2 of the endpoints using the method he selected is still bad because the uncertainty in endpoints is always enormous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Wouldn&#039;t you agree that this is an argument for dropping N/2 from the front and end of the detrended series?

This is what I do except in cases where (for purely mathematical reasons), I need the final series to be of the same length as the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia:<br />
<blockquote> Diagnosing anything withing N/2 of the endpoints using the method he selected is still bad because the uncertainty in endpoints is always enormous.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you agree that this is an argument for dropping N/2 from the front and end of the detrended series?</p>
<p>This is what I do except in cases where (for purely mathematical reasons), I need the final series to be of the same length as the original.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/source-of-fishy-odor-confirmed-rahmstorf-did-change-smoothing/comment-page-1/#comment-15565</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is two charts in the Copenhagen Report confirmed to have bad captions(the other is the comparison of CO2 emissions to scenarios). 
Perhapos the whole report needs to be put up for critical review?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is two charts in the Copenhagen Report confirmed to have bad captions(the other is the comparison of CO2 emissions to scenarios).<br />
Perhapos the whole report needs to be put up for critical review?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you can actually spot the filter length from the animated GIF if you look it very carefully: the first value which is not changing at all for the blue solid line is for year 1996 (notice that I forgot to offset the trend lines by half a year as I did for the actual values as it was done in the original graph).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you can actually spot the filter length from the animated GIF if you look it very carefully: the first value which is not changing at all for the blue solid line is for year 1996 (notice that I forgot to offset the trend lines by half a year as I did for the actual values as it was done in the original graph).</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean S--

Wow!
So... in fact with &#039;11-year&#039; smoothing, when Rahmstorf&#039;s compare between &#039;smoothed observations&#039; and projections &lt;b&gt;every single one&lt;/b&gt; of his &quot;smoothed&quot; data points involve &lt;b&gt;both&lt;/I&gt; guessed data and data known before the report was published (i.e. 2001). Plus, smoothed data from  1990-2000, was computed using data known even before the  claimed &quot;freeze&quot; date for the projections (i.e. 1990)!   Fifteen years is even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean S&#8211;</p>
<p>Wow!<br />
So&#8230; in fact with &#8216;11-year&#8217; smoothing, when Rahmstorf&#8217;s compare between &#8217;smoothed observations&#8217; and projections <b>every single one</b> of his &#8220;smoothed&#8221; data points involve <b>both guessed data and data known before the report was published (i.e. 2001). Plus, smoothed data from  1990-2000, was computed using data known even before the  claimed &#8220;freeze&#8221; date for the projections (i.e. 1990)!   Fifteen years is even worse.</b></p>
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		<title>By: PaulM</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean S, wow, that&#039;s another important revelation. I guess that should have been clear to me from comparing the code snippet with Rahmstorf&#039;s reply. It also explains why you were talking of an even number (14) which seemed odd to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean S, wow, that&#8217;s another important revelation. I guess that should have been clear to me from comparing the code snippet with Rahmstorf&#8217;s reply. It also explains why you were talking of an even number (14) which seemed odd to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulM, yes, you are right, it&#039;s the &quot;variation of minimum roughness criterion&quot; (by Grinsted) not the &quot;minimum roughness&quot; by Mann, I should have been clearer about that. David had it correctly implemented in his replication:
http://landshape.org/enm/another-copenhagen-synthesis-report-error/
Yes, mp=M. That&#039;s actually set in the code just right before switch-command selecting between minimum roughness and minimum slope.

One more thing to clarify. I may have been part of making this confusion (sorry for that), but M parameter is the padding period and the actual filter length is 2M-1. So when Rahmstorf et al are speaking about &quot;11-year smoothing&quot; it is actually &quot;21-year smoothing&quot;. If someone wants to give a try, here are the actual (symmetric) filter coefficients for M=11 (HadCRUT3, --&gt;2006; others almost the same): 0.0073 0.0152 0.0235 0.0321 0.0410 0.0499 0.0587 0.0674 0.0758 0.0837 0.0910 0.0837 0.0758 0.0674 0.0587 0.0499 0.0410 0.0321 0.0235 0.0152 0.0073
and for M=15: 0.0037 0.0077 0.0119 0.0164 0.0211 0.0259 0.0308 0.0357 0.0406 0.0455 0.0502 0.0548 0.0591 0.0631 0.0668 0.0631 0.0591 0.0548 0.0502 0.0455 0.0406 0.0357 0.0308 0.0259 0.0211 0.0164 0.0119 0.0077 0.0037</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulM, yes, you are right, it&#8217;s the &#8220;variation of minimum roughness criterion&#8221; (by Grinsted) not the &#8220;minimum roughness&#8221; by Mann, I should have been clearer about that. David had it correctly implemented in his replication:<br />
<a href="http://landshape.org/enm/another-copenhagen-synthesis-report-error/" >http://landshape.org/enm/anoth.....ort-error/</a><br />
Yes, mp=M. That&#8217;s actually set in the code just right before switch-command selecting between minimum roughness and minimum slope.</p>
<p>One more thing to clarify. I may have been part of making this confusion (sorry for that), but M parameter is the padding period and the actual filter length is 2M-1. So when Rahmstorf et al are speaking about &#8220;11-year smoothing&#8221; it is actually &#8220;21-year smoothing&#8221;. If someone wants to give a try, here are the actual (symmetric) filter coefficients for M=11 (HadCRUT3, &#8211;&gt;2006; others almost the same): 0.0073 0.0152 0.0235 0.0321 0.0410 0.0499 0.0587 0.0674 0.0758 0.0837 0.0910 0.0837 0.0758 0.0674 0.0587 0.0499 0.0410 0.0321 0.0235 0.0152 0.0073<br />
and for M=15: 0.0037 0.0077 0.0119 0.0164 0.0211 0.0259 0.0308 0.0357 0.0406 0.0455 0.0502 0.0548 0.0591 0.0631 0.0668 0.0631 0.0591 0.0548 0.0502 0.0455 0.0406 0.0357 0.0308 0.0259 0.0211 0.0164 0.0119 0.0077 0.0037</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Castles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Castles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #15528.

Professor Phil Jones, Director of the CRU and IPCC Coordinating Lead Author, also appears to have given support to five-year smoothing. He told BBC News Online’s environmental correspondent in 2003 that:

&quot;Globally, I expect the five years from 2006 to 2010 will be about a tenth of a degree warmer than 2001 to 2005&quot;(‘Heat high for 2003 but no record’, published at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3325033.stm ).

With the CRU anomalies up to May 2009 now published (41 of the 60 months of the 2006 to 2010 period), the average monthly anomaly from January 2006 to May 2009 has been .07 C BELOW the average for the years 2001 to 2005. 

In order to reach the same average for 2006-10 as for 2001-05, the average anomaly during the 19 months between June 2009 and December 2010 would need to rise by .23 C. 

For the 2006 to 2010 average to exceed that for 2001 to 2005 by one tenth of a degree, as Professor Jones expected, the average for June 2009 to December 2010 would need to exceed the average from January 2006 to May 2009 by .76 C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #15528.</p>
<p>Professor Phil Jones, Director of the CRU and IPCC Coordinating Lead Author, also appears to have given support to five-year smoothing. He told BBC News Online’s environmental correspondent in 2003 that:</p>
<p>&#8220;Globally, I expect the five years from 2006 to 2010 will be about a tenth of a degree warmer than 2001 to 2005&#8243;(‘Heat high for 2003 but no record’, published at <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3325033.stm" >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci.....325033.stm</a> ).</p>
<p>With the CRU anomalies up to May 2009 now published (41 of the 60 months of the 2006 to 2010 period), the average monthly anomaly from January 2006 to May 2009 has been .07 C BELOW the average for the years 2001 to 2005. </p>
<p>In order to reach the same average for 2006-10 as for 2001-05, the average anomaly during the 19 months between June 2009 and December 2010 would need to rise by .23 C. </p>
<p>For the 2006 to 2010 average to exceed that for 2001 to 2005 by one tenth of a degree, as Professor Jones expected, the average for June 2009 to December 2010 would need to exceed the average from January 2006 to May 2009 by .76 C.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>				A response and a comment;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Jonathan–You are right; Nick is wrong&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes. I was following &lt;a href=&quot;http://landshape.org/enm/another-copenhagen-synthesis-report-error/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Stockwell&#039;s implementation&lt;/a&gt; (see Fig). 

But one can get too caught up in how these formulae are derived - extrapolations etc. They all in the end give smoothed values as a weighted sum of neighboring values. Internally, the weights are usually the same as you move along, but near the ends they have to change to accommodate the limits on the data.

The weights have to be such that a constant function smoothes to the same constant, which means they must sum to 1. You would also expect that a linear function should be unchanged by smoothing.  Symmetric weights will ensure this on the interior. One way to ensure that this remains true near the ends is to construct the weights as the interior weights applied to some linear extrapolation, since a linear function will extrapolate as itself. Both MRC and the Grinsted method do this.

There&#039;s not much more you could ask from a smoothing function of this general form. The remaining criticism of MRC is that it heavily weights the last term. This makes the result very sensitive to current information, which may be seen as a virtue, although it is less stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A response and a comment;</p>
<blockquote><p>Jonathan–You are right; Nick is wrong</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. I was following <a href="http://landshape.org/enm/another-copenhagen-synthesis-report-error/" >David Stockwell&#8217;s implementation</a> (see Fig). </p>
<p>But one can get too caught up in how these formulae are derived &#8211; extrapolations etc. They all in the end give smoothed values as a weighted sum of neighboring values. Internally, the weights are usually the same as you move along, but near the ends they have to change to accommodate the limits on the data.</p>
<p>The weights have to be such that a constant function smoothes to the same constant, which means they must sum to 1. You would also expect that a linear function should be unchanged by smoothing.  Symmetric weights will ensure this on the interior. One way to ensure that this remains true near the ends is to construct the weights as the interior weights applied to some linear extrapolation, since a linear function will extrapolate as itself. Both MRC and the Grinsted method do this.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not much more you could ask from a smoothing function of this general form. The remaining criticism of MRC is that it heavily weights the last term. This makes the result very sensitive to current information, which may be seen as a virtue, although it is less stable.</p>
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		<title>By: Galloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucia
I can&#039;t pretend to have a strong knowledge of statistics but, given his undeniable excellence as a climate scientist and his flawless use of statistics, does Gavin Schmidt&#039;s use of a 5 year smoothing period in the chart on page 22 of his book (Climate Change) mean that Rahmstorf and Mann should be using 5 years.
By way of disclaimer I was browsing the book in a bookstore and decided my money was better spent on Ian Plimer&#039;s &quot;Heaven &amp; Earth&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucia<br />
I can&#8217;t pretend to have a strong knowledge of statistics but, given his undeniable excellence as a climate scientist and his flawless use of statistics, does Gavin Schmidt&#8217;s use of a 5 year smoothing period in the chart on page 22 of his book (Climate Change) mean that Rahmstorf and Mann should be using 5 years.<br />
By way of disclaimer I was browsing the book in a bookstore and decided my money was better spent on Ian Plimer&#8217;s &#8220;Heaven &amp; Earth&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Stockwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stockwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob: That is a great read, thanks.  &quot;and often referred to poor John Brignell, who never got his PhD because of low results, yet was probably right.&quot;  At least I believed in the system long enough to get my PhD.  It became apparent to me that people will use whatever means at their disposal to promote their own pet theories - so what is the point of super-computers and mega-databases?  All you are doing is selling computers for IBM.  I went back to simple theoretical models and classical statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob: That is a great read, thanks.  &#8220;and often referred to poor John Brignell, who never got his PhD because of low results, yet was probably right.&#8221;  At least I believed in the system long enough to get my PhD.  It became apparent to me that people will use whatever means at their disposal to promote their own pet theories &#8211; so what is the point of super-computers and mega-databases?  All you are doing is selling computers for IBM.  I went back to simple theoretical models and classical statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Koss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Koss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie (Comment#15489)
John Brignell has a personal anecdote about the effect of bias when doing science.
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/then_and_now.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie (Comment#15489)<br />
John Brignell has a personal anecdote about the effect of bias when doing science.<br />
<a href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/then_and_now.htm" >http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/then_and_now.htm</a></p>
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