{"id":9335,"date":"2010-02-11T22:38:48","date_gmt":"2010-02-12T04:38:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/?p=9335"},"modified":"2010-02-12T08:35:48","modified_gmt":"2010-02-12T14:35:48","slug":"monckton-lambert-debate-our-chat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/2010\/monckton-lambert-debate-our-chat\/","title":{"rendered":"Monckton Lambert Debate: Our chat."},"content":{"rendered":"

Several of us chatted while watching the Monckton v. Lambert debate. I’ve edited lightly to take out the ramblings when I was trying to get the chat script sorted out and pasted into the blog. The narrative may make no sense without watching the debate, but it might give you a flavor of our reactions. (I chatted the most. No, the comments don’t make sense. But enjoy.)<\/p>\n

Anyway, here’s the discussion:<\/p>\n

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janama: <\/span>it on<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>It’s on…<\/span><\/p>\n

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lucia: <\/span>I think the link for "here" is ok now.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I like how he just wings it without notes<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh. He’s done this over and over. So, yes, he can give his shpiels smoothly.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He doesn’t seem to have the ability to show graphs.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Just standing infront of a black screen.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I suspect the audience is seeing something projected. He has a controller in his hand.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ok… I can’t paste the video in my screen.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Charlie A– Is lamber talking on your screen yet?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>No images on Lambert’s screen either.<\/span><\/p>\n

Geoff: <\/span>Hieveryone. lambert has just started talking. Explaining radiation forcing.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Hi Geoff–<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The cameras don’t pick up their viewgraphs.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Sensitivity low– no problem. Hi– problem.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>That’s Lamberts message.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>yeah, that sucks. a split screen would be nice<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>To reassure me I’m not the only one here… say Hi!<\/span><\/p>\n

Geoff: <\/span>Hi<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>wait. what’s the debate about? i missed it the first five times<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>hi!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton interrupted Lambert<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>I think I’m nameless now.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>drat!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I suspect Monckton is advancing the theory in a paper he sent me which I told him was wrong….<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I have to log off and log back on to regain my name.<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>Is there a drinking game we should be playing here?<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Lambert was doing good until he starting setting up the strawman of a conspiracy<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>take a shot every time Monckton says "bedwetter"<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span> \u00c3\u00a2\u00e2\u201a\u00ac\u00c5\u201cDoes Anthropogenic Global Warming Endanger Mankind?\u00c3\u00a2\u00e2\u201a\u00ac\u00c2\u009d<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The tape by Pinker is by Lambert is *masterful*.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Lambert’s doing pretty well.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>big big difference brings in non-linearities<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>So… that’s how you pronouce "Plimer".<\/span><\/p>\n

Geoff: <\/span>I do not understand the Pinker bit.It was one of aseries of papers (including Palle <\/span><\/p>\n

Geoff: <\/span>(cont) <\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The masterstroke was a) Knowing Monckton would use the paper and<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>b) contacting the author to say Mockton was wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Audiences are never going to read the paper during the debate<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>So even if they can figure things out for themselves, Lambert’s move was GREAT.<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>Did Monckton say 300,00 ppm? I must ahve misheard that.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I don’t know. I was editing the html file to make things not bog down.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ok… we are going to see oceans cooling.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He definitely likes the word "bathythermograph".<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>He said something about ice a mile thick at the equator. Snowball Earth? My kids were singing very loudly so I might have missed it…<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>No net accumulation over how many years? Did he say 50?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Lambert "Is that an answer or question".<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I’m surprised the audience didn’t laugh.<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>68 years<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ok– we have to get the Douglas and Knox paper that claims the ocean haven’t been warming for some horrifically long amount of time.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I wish we could see the graph.<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>If the cameraman can move the camera from M to L, he could point it at a grpah every now and then.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>1980-look a graph see slope 0.15.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Then he shows uncertainty.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Qualitatively Lambert is saying correct things.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Wattsupwiththat post on Douglas and Knox: http:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2009\/08\/11\/ocean-heat-content-and-earth\u00c3\u00a2\u00e2\u201a\u00ac\u00e2\u201e\u00a2s-radiation-imbalance\/<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I wish we could see this graph!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>Why is it impermissable? I know the grpah he’s referring to.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Well… I don’t know why it’s "not permissible".<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>That said, if it’s the UN graph, it’s a bad graph.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>But still.. not impermissible.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>May not give us much insight is a more appropriate criticism.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>It’s permissible, but is cherry picking.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He likes to drop "House of Lords" doesn’t he?<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/deltoid\/2008\/11\/09\/globalmeantemp.png<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yea… that’s not a very good graph.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>But it’s not "impermissible".<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>It would be better to just put uncertainty intervals on each line.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>A moderator who doesn’t even pretend to be balanced.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Lambert says about 30% of CO2 has been added by man.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The moderator says 39%.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>They started off well with focus on sensistivity, but then it went downhill<\/span><\/p>\n

Geoff: <\/span>Agreed<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton is seriously reframing the question.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Instead of saying the fraction *in the atmosphere*– which was asked.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He’s answering how much has been added compared to all the carbon on the planet.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton has interrupts but knows how to stop Lambert from interupting.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ok… so we finally get to Monckton admitting that the 39% number is the correct answer to the question that was asked.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>280 ppm preindustrial, 380 now, rise of about 30%. Next<\/span><\/p>\n

I screwed something up and lost about 15 minutes of comments from the record here. <\/font><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>shoot… I screwd up something.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Sorry…<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Sunspot question.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>he’s assuming the consequences are instant<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>whoops Tim.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yes. There should be a delay in sunspots– similar to a delay in CO2. Still, it is a point.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>no suvs or power stations? So what?<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>Incomplete answer, misleading<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>They are both good at misleading, partial answers<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Baa– a little. But Monckton is going off into the Holocene optimum etc and not discussing sunspots *at all*<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>not good monck<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>why can’t they get this sun\/sunspot thingy right<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>t’s not that hard<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Adjusted data question.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>no no not true<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>Tim<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Adjust for UHI by lowering past temps seems to be the method. \ud83d\ude42<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Is Joe looking at this?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Platinum resistance thermometers?<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Only to measure the temp of the reference blackbody<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) UAH’s instrument is calibrated that way. i don’t know that the others are<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>I agree the surface temperature is a mess.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Charlie– thanks. That part makes sense. But it’s not exactly *the* way you measure the surface temperature or lower tropospheric temperatures.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>yeah cause the satellites are perfect without any data quality issues!<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>shutup moderator<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Well… the surface temperature system isn’t perfect.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Obviously, back in 1800-1950, it wasn’t intended to be used for climate by ANY stretch of the imagination.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>far from perfest Lucia<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>BAD answer by Lambert!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) and of course then there’s the question of whether a "global average temperature" even exists<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He was good spirited when the really loopy guy was answering. But he may be getting tired.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>%<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton is great with dates.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ohhh… and he’s taking away Lambert’s chance to go to a talking point.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>You know though, as spokes-climatologist, Lambert has potential.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton’s got the Weart’s book memorized.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) the moderator is being very biased. that question was to both<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh… very biased.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>90 meters a century?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Or 90 cm?<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>cm<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He must have said cm.<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>Damn Aussie’ accentes. I thought that woman said she was retarded.<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>Nils-Morner. I wonder if Tim will mention his dowsing days.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>That happens in retirement. I’ve been retired 10 years<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Boris– good thing you aren’t a politician!<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>I can’t help what I hear!<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>I wish my customers would p off<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The audience member suggests a non linear relationship between co2 and temperature. Yep… even if we limit to "equilibrium".<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>"natural or naperian logarithm"?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Why doesn’t he add, "and as you know, Naper was a scottsman?"<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Bad answer, Tim!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He needs to learn to deal with questions about rouge waves.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ehrmm… I like rouge waves even better than rogue waves.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Monckton quite smoothly turned that into a lesson in how science evolves<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>whats the Q?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>yes. I wonder if he got questions on rogue waves before.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>This is clearly not a questoin. Monckton will find an answer anyway.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He’ll even thank the questioner for the great question.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Just you watch!<\/span><\/p>\n

Boris: <\/span>Gotta go read bedtime stories. See you guys for the post mortem.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>See!!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Night night Boris<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Q: Is AGW a power grab by governments?<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I’m surprised Monckton didn’t jump on it.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He just called himself emminent!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>CharlieA– He is jumping on it.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He’s going to talk until the moderator cuts him off.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Lambert is stymied.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Did they just swap out moderators?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The moderator agrees!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>He’s biased, but now on the other side!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>HITLER!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Godwin’s law alert.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Q: Why is winter cold in NY.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>The global warming is in the southern oceans right now. US is something like 2 or 4% of global area<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>but it has to be cold enough to snow<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Record precipitations… but of cousre people noticed it was snow, not rain.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>howdo you get snow with no cold?????<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Still… that storm isn’t global warming.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>"British kids won’t know what snow is"<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>DC isn’t manitoba Tim!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>When it snows in DC, it’s cold for DC.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>The storm track moved south is the spectacular thing.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Cold, cold Tim<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Charlie– oh yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Most models say the jetstream\/storm track should have moved north.<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>aussie kids kniow even less about snow<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>……. on average, of course.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>But still. Yes. When it snows in Manitoba, it’s because warm air move there, and snow fell.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>When it snows in DC it’s because cold air south.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Well… actually, the 2000-2009 trend is positive.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I think Treberth (sp?) was more specifically talking about Ocean Heat Content.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>Supposed accumulation of energy has to go somewhere<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>where is it<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>The moderator is translating the question.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>monck will kill him with this one<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Lambert wasn’t bad.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Tobis would have died on this question.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>mentioning china was not good<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Why not? Do the australians dislike China?<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Holdren, Obama’s head of Office of Science and Technology Policy used to be a population control advocate. Kind of related to an overal "people of bad" philosophy.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>they are concerned or suspicious of china<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>well done ? jones<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) he’s said that several times. it’s a bit ridiculous<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>this is a no win for lambert<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I wish they would have spent more time on the more basic questions of global warming and anthropogenic GW<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Charlie– me too.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Letting the audience answer questions makes it impossible to stay on topic.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>My answer would have been "beats the heck out of me!"<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Lambert really blew that!<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>vertical movement of land is on the same order of magnitude as sea level change<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton sounds better– but he’s not answering the question that was asked.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>For the global sea level, NASA adds in 0.3mm\/year for glacial rebound — this is in addition to any local changes<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>does that matter in this debate? lol<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He just uses the questions to talk about whatever go off on topics he knows the audience will like.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>It all pales into insignificance compared to climate sensitivity<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) he learned a thing or two when he was in politics<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>thats the politicians way lucia<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) well, this debate could’ve been much better with a professional moderator<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Lindzen !!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Where is lambert going!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ok.. he’s back.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I think he jumped up to selecte a different slide<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>What’s the question!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Lambert doesn’t either.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh..Tim… get some game. Just pretend you know what the questions and answer it.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I mean.. NOONE knows what that guy asked!<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>The silver bullet: http:\/\/www.palisad.com\/co2\/eb\/eb.html<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>stop barracking lucia lol<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>no one knows because it’s not a static numbr<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>bad strategy tim<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>people already convinced no one knows<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>recently I saw a correction to the ERBE data … something about forgetting to set the "adjust for altitude" setting in the processing of satellite data.<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>It casts doubt on Lindzen and Choi<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Well… some aspects of climate are predictable.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>don’t go there tim<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>It’s not clear all of them are.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>It’s not clear all of them are<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh… don’t say it!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Not IC’s and BC’s.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>This is not a winnder.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>no they can’t<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>no they can’t<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Lucia did you do a "skill of models" post?<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>shuttup mod<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I’ve compared models to what they predict. The don’t look stupendous.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I only look at surface temperatures.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>a<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>At least Lambert does admit a little bit of warming is ok.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>for some, nt ok 4 others he said<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>yes it is<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yeah.. well, if you are on the equator, getting hotter is no fun. Also, if you end up underwater or lose 1 mile of beach front.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>monck got this one<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh.. I think it’s a draw.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>monck got this oneequator can’t\/won’t warm anymore<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>why is this double posting?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>It’s not double posting for me.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>I’ll click send instead of enter<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh… sometimes, if I hit return insted of clicking the "send" button, the entry box doesn’t clear.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>u’re right<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>this is a loser for tim<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yeah…. it is.<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>what about enso<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>1940 compared to models is a stinker unless modelers claim loads of weather noise.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Oh! It’s 2:30<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I’m getting sound now.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>bad bad mistake tim<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Hansen was one of those 1 or 2 scientists<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>is he helping skeptics here?<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Boy did we get a lot of snow in the 70s.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>yes yes clouds. they are the culprit<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) well, i thought Lambert did very well considering the odds stacked against him<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>i agree<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>I agree\\<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>I agree<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>odds are highly against him<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>odds are highly against him<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yeah. Lambert did pretty well. He’s got pontential as a climate-debater.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) i’m astonished i’m even saying that. what a difference a couple of months makes<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Much better than Gavin.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>f the science is accurate and on your side it should’nt matter<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>i told him to be light and breezy like monkton – he appeared to have taken the advice<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Baa– Some people couldn’t win a debate if the topic was "does 2 2=4," and they got to argue that it does.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>too true L<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Janama– that was good advice.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Still… Monckton’s got game.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Definitely smooth.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>summary nt good tim<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He’s probably good in the classroom.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>you would thnk so. Public speaking nt easy<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Monckton must have taken acting and elocution lessons.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Pinker- read Peter Taylor’s "Chill" <\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>doesn’t need eloc lessons, comes naturally<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>"Chill" <\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>confidence level higher for monc<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Test,test, test.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>read peter taylor’s "CHILL" <\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>M’s also memorized the answers to all sorts of specific nit-picky questions. It makes him look good even if he’s wrong on some other things.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>fresh off a tour, he is warmed up already<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>so to speak lol<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>Lucia thankyou very very much for setting this up<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>You’re welcome. It was fun!<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) hear hear!<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>much appreciated \ud83d\ude42<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>her here<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Sort of like watching tv with friends!<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>he he<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>pass the popcorn<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>-> popcorn.<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>baa humbug – I think you’ve had enough wine<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Thanks Lucia<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>i got lots I’m in my video shop<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>YW.<\/span><\/p>\n

denny: <\/span>this is really fun; thanks Lucia for the invitation to the party<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>He’s smooth– his wrap up states closes.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>clap clap clap<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Standing O.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>lambert showewd guts. respect<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ok.. they sat now.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Yeah. He did pretty well too.<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>missed first half. have to get video<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>2 against 1 he did ok frm what i saw<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Yes, Lambert did well. Anthitisisof his blog.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) yup. it was a tag team effort<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>The Pinker paper is included in the issue of science:<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>http:\/\/journals2005.pasteur.ac.ir\/SCIENCE\/308(5722).pdf<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>It’s on page 850 of mag, 77 of 94 of pdf<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Thanks for that paper!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>I still think Lambert getting the author on tape was a master stroke!<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>(halfacanuck) well, that was fun. thanks lucia! see y’all on the blogs \ud83d\ude42<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Ciao!<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Thanks for coming.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unnamed: <\/span>Bye<\/span><\/p>\n

Baa Humbug: <\/span>yep thankyou again. hugs n kisses xxooxx<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>I’ve been trying to get a blog to get a discussion going on "Testing the AGW Hypothesis"<\/span><\/p>\n

janama: <\/span>bye<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>http:\/\/www.palisad.com\/co2\/eb\/eb.html<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>For what I understand, it uses seasonal variations to calculate more or less the same sensistivity as does Lindzen<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Does that necessarily work though? There is a proble with time constants.<\/span><\/p>\n

lucia: <\/span>Well. we are getting "goodbye" music!<\/span><\/p>\n

Charlie A: <\/span>Time for dinner! Bye<\/span><\/p>\n

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Several of us chatted while watching the Monckton v. Lambert debate. I’ve edited lightly to take out the ramblings when I was trying to get the chat script sorted out and pasted into the blog. The narrative may make no sense without watching the debate, but it might give you a flavor of our reactions. … Continue reading Monckton Lambert Debate: Our chat.<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[261,305,458],"class_list":["post-9335","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-data-comparisons","tag-lambert","tag-monckton","tag-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9335","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9335"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9335\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9335"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9335"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rankexploits.com\/musings\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9335"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}