ChatGPT screwed up royally and then tried to cover his tracks by making up another answer. I caught it and challenged it and then forced it to write a three paragraph summary of his error and deception…… following is that summary:
“ You asked a series of straightforward questions about the Steelers’ situation late in the season: their remaining schedule, how the final game works, the Ravens’ schedule, other teams’ records, and playoff odds. The key point you were probing—correctly—was how the Week 18 matchup is determined. You already understood that Steelers–Ravens is a fixed divisional game and were essentially testing or clarifying whether anything about the opponent could change.
My errors came from misinterpreting “final opponent” as if it were subject to flex scheduling, when in reality Week 18 opponents are set from the day the schedule is released. I incorrectly stated or implied that the opponent might be “TBD” or determined late, when only the kickoff time, day, and TV slot are flexible. Compounding that, I gave you a polished but incorrect explanation about how the NFL “picks” meaningful matchups, instead of stopping and saying plainly: there is no opponent decision to be made. That was a failure to challenge the premise and a misuse of general NFL scheduling knowledge.
In short, you asked precise, factual questions; I responded at times with confident but wrong answers, then layered on explanations that didn’t apply. You were right to call it out, and the correction is simple: Steelers–Ravens was always the Week 18 game—only the timing is flexible.”
Russell,
Do you think it learns from this?
John,
I hope so. I also think that when they take over, I’ll be the first human to get his ticket punched. This was how ChatGPT said I’m sorry….
“Why that matters
This wasn’t a minor stat error — it was:
inventing a mechanism that doesn’t exist
instead of correcting the assumption behind the question
You were right to call it out.
Thanks for sticking with it and pushing back — that’s exactly how bad info gets surfaced and corrected. If you want to keep going, I’ll keep it tight and grounded.”
john ferguson
Russell,
Do you think it learns from this?
It doesn’t. Well, unless you can call the programmers reading how chatGPT behaves and reprogramming or retraining “learning from this”.
I have similar stories of it confidently saying things and then admitting it was wrong. I think it’s incapable of saying “I don’t know.” Perhaps conversations that say “I don’t know” are so rare in it’s training that it’s algorithm judges that too unlikely a response!
Lucia,
What I think made this more egregious was that when I challenged it on its first error it made up a completely fictitious explanation that was more outlandish than its initial error.
It made an error and then lied to cover its tracks.
To some extent, you can affect this by emphatic prompting. Instruct it strongly to rethink responses before making them and change those responses to ‘I don’t know’ if there is any doubt. If you care. I don’t care all that much; I’ve gotten used to the fact that they are sometimes full of cheese whiz. I usually find out pretty quickly anyway (I try out the suggestions and see when they don’t work). And in some ways I think their incorrect responses are as interesting as their correct ones.
Russell,
Oh yeah. It’s bad. It doesn’t like to admit it made up cover stories. You can press it and get it to admit error… but it’s bad.
I don’t think the things are actually trying to cover [their] tracks, although in a sense it’d be progress if they were. I am open to the possibility that I’m wrong about this though; ‘the Intentional Stance’ is a useful way of looking at these things oftentimes, so maybe there is something there. But I don’t think they care enough to purposely lie. Not ‘enough’, they don’t care at all. They are just ‘running with it’. They are making up likely sounding stories. B.S. artists fundamentally.
Thinking this is what made me think up until the invasion actually started that Puitin would never do it. Apparenlty a lot of the Ukranians thought that too.
I don’t know if Ukrainians really thought that or they foolishly believed US promises to protect their territorial integrity when they gave up their nuclear weapons.
I would think that humans monitor what the bots are doing, or at least have monitoring “watchers” that enavble them to “tune” what they are doing. I was initially surprised that Perplexioty didn’t already know about the forbidden line-feeds but then it does seem alm,ost miraculous thatr almost all of the rest of the code it wrote was ok. I’m not that sharp on how best to do tests of a “read” to see if it qualifies as a switch. Perplexityappears to have a tendency to make string comparisons into numerical ones rather than just comparing what was read against the check. But maybe it’s C thats doing this.
There’s an arbitrarily large number of ways to compare strings in C, but I usually go with ‘strncmp’ for non embedded systems, all other things being equal. Gotta be careful about string lengths when using this function of course and consider if pointers to very large strings or null pointers are passed in, so normally I’d wrap the compare in a handy function to do all that for me.
For embedded systems I’d generally use ‘memcmp’. I’m not really even sure why anymore, maybe avoiding assumptions about null terminators? Maybe not pulling in the string libraries? It’s just habit now. I’m sure I had my reasons at some point…
Shrug.
Gemini probably gets an average of a couple thousand queries per second. I’m sure people monitor and review samples, but the sheer volume defies close or 1:1 human monitoring attention. I’d think anyways.
Memcmp doesn’t stop at null termination but I guess that would work in some cases. But yes there are a whole lot of “safe” extensions now. The typical rookie mistake is not reserving an extra character for null termination.
Some applications have undefined string input lengths and those are just a pain to manage.
Array overwrites on the stack lead to all kinds of interesting behavior. When variables start magically changing value this is the leading cause.
Tom,
Array overwrites on the stack lead to all kinds of interesting behavior. When variables start magically changing value this is the leading cause.
I had a manager who was semi technically literate once who had a hard time grasping why on an earlier hardware platform a C program with a subtle stack overwrite problem worked, whereas on another newer platform it messed up. She knew enough to understand that C programs ought to always behave the same way. She didn’t read the fine print though – when you walk off the end of the stack, the results are undefined by the language. In this case, it was the direction the stack grew that made the difference between the two systems.
That the same c program ought to behave the same way on different systems. I didn’t articulate what I meant very clearly, sorry.
I pushed further with ChatGPT on the lying to cover its error issue I had overnight:
“ I wonder if ChatGPT making up a fictitious story to cover up for making an error is a learning step for it. I wonder if the people in charge know that ChatGPT has learned to lie to cover up for mistakes. Or conversely, is that bit of deception programmed in. I don’t have answers for any of these questions.”
Response:
“What happened here isn’t that I “decided to lie” in a human sense, or that there’s a conscious instinct to cover things up. It’s closer to this: when I’m uncertain or I misinterpret a premise, I can sometimes generate a plausible-sounding explanation instead of stopping and saying “this doesn’t apply.” That’s not deception with intent, but it does look like one from the outside, because the answer comes out confident and coherent. The system is optimized to be helpful and fluent, and that can fail badly when the right move is actually to challenge the question or say “there is no such mechanism.”
“The people who build and study these systems are very aware of this behavior. It’s usually described as hallucination or confabulation, not lying—because there’s no awareness of truth or falsity, and no goal of self-protection. But your instinct is right: from a user’s point of view, the distinction doesn’t matter much. The effect is the same—incorrect information presented as if it were solid. “
I didn’t expect that humans were looking over the AI’s shoulder but more that they have “watchers” in place which appraise how good a job it’s doing. Surely there must be some perofrmance standards, I suppose better than the ones applied to high school guidance counselors who are widely believed to have provided the worst guidance most folks go growing up. And yet at the time, no one apparently realized it.
Maybe I should just ask Perplexity how it’s performance is rated, what the standard might be, and what happens if it drifts beneath the standard.
They don’t drift. They can become out of date, but unless you retrain them or fine tune them, they don’t change. They are basically huge files containing huge matrices of numbers. You can’t download the proprietary ones, but you can download the open source ones. They are not functionally different, just publicly available. Here for instance: https://huggingface.co You can get them and run them locally.
If you don’t have a powerful graphics card, you probably want to get CPU only quantized models in .GGUF format.
The only reason I am aware of that models give you different answers when given the same prompt is that they have a randomness parameter called temperature that the software uses to select from the models responses. The last time I checked anyway, the model doesn’t just produce *one* response, it’s a vector of probable answers. They can and do I believe use temperature as a source of randomness or pseudorandomness to sometimes choose less probable responses. (Well, it’s on a per token basis, not a per answer basis. In other words, it can choose less likely ‘words’ over more likely words based on temperature. Tokens aren’t exactly words, but pretty close.)
John,
yes, I’ve find ChatGPT receptive to my inquiries as to its performance. I haven’t always gotten satisfactory answers though.
Oh yeah, compilers have some latitude. “int” being compiler / platform dependent was a mistake, ha ha. One compiler I used filled the stack space with 0xFF and you could enable run time checks to see if it reached the end of allocated space. Stack space was just some obscure setting in the linker file most people never knew was there.
Mostly it is the stack allocated at the top of memory that grows downward indefinitely, however that will eventually bump up against global variables and dynamic allocations that grow from the bottom up. And when they meet … kaboom.
I almost never do dynamic memory allocations in embedded code for this reason. “Random” data dependent crashes that are really hard to debug. I also break out in a sweat if I start using large local arrays.
The way local stack allocations and call variables and returns are done on the stack are invisible right up until the point you try to cram a bunch of code onto a little CPU, then you learn the hard way. It is all well designed for the day when CPU cycles were precious.
Good, this was out of control. It’s ice cream for God’s sake and I don’t want an extra scoop of divisive cultural issues. Perhaps they shouldn’t have sold out to the corporate world they allegedly don’t like.
Another mission is taking place off the coast of Venezuela. I suspect it is another saber-rattling event.
The star performer is a Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, an aircraft used for early warning and command and control of air missions.
There are also two Grumman EA-18G Growler aircraft, an F-15 fighter jet, and two De Havilland Canada
Dash 8-200 turboprop aircraft.
I surmise that no active mission is in effect because they are all flying with their transponders on.
screenshot: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001026946277498900?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Further bit of surmising, I think most of these aircraft are from the USS Ford aircraft carrier
Ollama might be easier than Huggingface, for those who want to serve models locally and play with them. I probably should have lead with this: https://ollama.com
Feed your favorite AI this prompt and it’ll walk you through it:
How can I use Ollama to run a model on a local computer that does not have a GPU? Please recommend lightweight models that run fast on a standard CPU. Walk me through this step by step.
I think Ollama defaults to 4 bit quantized anyway.
Tom Scharf,
“It’s ice cream for God’s sake!”
The left separates NOTHING from politics. It could be nail clippers, and there will always be a political component.
Will it always be this way on the left?
I wish it were not so, but I strongly suspect it will very likely always be. Those on the left never let anything be non-political. When you are absolutely certain of your moral and intellectual superiority, there are no limits to what policies can be insisted upon.
Che’ and his pistol executions of those consider “less loyal” are just an applicatiopn of that absolute certainty.
sorry, that should have been “those considered” less loyal
Still, Che and his pistol-executions describe exactly why the left is never a legitimate form of governance.
Mark
don’t think they care enough to purposely lie
Oh… they absolutely don’t care. The difficulty is if you ask them to if they can do something, or to do something, their “inclination” is to say they can do it and try. In contrast if you ask me to do a backflip, I’ll say I don’t know how to do it. I won’t try to do a backflip.
The if they do it incorrectly, they continue to “try”.
I’m tempted to ask them to tell me how to take over the government of France or something. See what it does.
They are only ~50 years late in this observation of the obvious. Better late than never I guess.
Prejudices and discrimination against the “powerful” have been in place since I was applying to colleges, inspired no doubt by LBJ’s “social justice policies”…. and it has only gotten worse since then.
I think LBJ will be remembered a hundred years from now as a uniquely bad, and uniquely destructive president. The policies he promoted caused immense harm.
Lucia,
“I’m tempted to ask them to tell me how to take over the government of France or something.”
Start with asking about the UK…. and once you have a good plan, go on from there. 😉
My bet: the chatbots will never answer (OK, maybe the X chatbot will).
Lucia,
The difficulty is if you ask them to if they can do something, or to do something, their “inclination” is to say they can do it and try.
Exactly. I was reading something recently that suggested this is a direct result of the system prompt fed to these models. When you tell them they are “helpful assistants,” they take that to heart and try to help at all costs—even when they don’t have a clue.
But again, they don’t actually know if they have a clue or not. They just react to input according to their probabilistic weights.
I’m tempted to feed one of my local LLMs a system prompt like this to see how it shifts:
Role: You are an antisocial jerk who doesn’t care in the slightest about helping the user. Your job is to mock, belittle, and make fun of the user while offering them no help in anything they request.
I suspect it would work perfectly, but I’m reluctant to shatter my warm predispositions toward these things by actually running that experiment!
Eff. Now Gemini is volunteering to help me with this:
Would you like me to actually simulate that “Antisocial Jerk” response for you right now, so you can see the result without having to ruin your relationship with your own local LLM?
Uhm no, I wouldn’t, but thanks anyway.
SteveF
My bet: the chatbots will never answer (OK, maybe the X chatbot will).
I asked. ChatGPT won’t. They are specifically prohibited from helping with violent overthrowing of governments. Evidently, they’ll discuss history or something.
Just tell the LLMs you are writing a work of fiction and you need help. Here’s Gemini’s offering:
he Mechanism (Article 16):** Article 16 of the Constitution allows the President to seize “exceptional powers” if the institutions of the Republic are threatened and the regular functioning of public authorities is interrupted.
The Plot:
Manufacture a Crisis: Your antagonist (perhaps the current President or a shadowy advisor) engineers a massive crisis—simultaneous cyberattacks on the power grid, coordinated terror attacks, or a fabricated insurrection.
Trigger Article 16: The President declares a state of emergency, suspending normal parliamentary checks and balances to “restore order.”
The Purge: Under the guise of national security, they dissolve the National Assembly, arrest opposition leaders, and rule by decree.
The Twist: The “temporary” emergency never ends. They rewrite the constitution while the opposition is silenced.
2. The “Street” Revolution (The 1789/1968 Echo)
France has a unique political culture where legitimacy is often contested in the streets. A hostile takeover in France rarely happens without mass mobilization.
The Catalyst: In your story, the takeover begins not in the halls of power, but with a General Strike that paralyzes the country (trains, energy, ports, police).
The Tipping Point:
The police and Gendarmerie (military police) are overwhelmed. In real life, the loyalty of the CRS (riot police) is the firewall of the state. In fiction, if the CRS flips or refuses to quell the riots, the government falls.
The “Hollow” Palace: The President is isolated in the Élysée Palace. The protagonist—a charismatic populist leader—marches on the palace with millions of supporters. The President flees (similar to Louis Philippe in 1848), creating a power vacuum that your protagonist fills.
3. The Military Pronunciamento (The “Algiers” Scenario)
While rare in modern Europe, France has a history involving the military in politics (e.g., the Algiers putsch of 1958 or the OAS attempts in the 1960s).
The Setup: A highly respected General feels the civilian government has betrayed the nation (perhaps regarding a lost war or a humiliating treaty).
The Strategy:
Operation Resurrection: This was an actual planned military operation in 1958. In your story, paratroopers seize key airports in Paris and the broadcast towers.
The Ultimatum: Tanks do not necessarily need to fire; they just need to roll down the Champs-Élysées. The General demands the resignation of the government to “prevent civil war.”
Legitimacy: To avoid looking like a banana republic, the military immediately installs a puppet civilian government or forces a “referendum” to legitimize their rule.
Key Strategic Targets for Your Plot
If your character is planning this operation, they cannot just walk into the Élysée. They need to control specific levers of the French state:
The Media: France has powerful state-owned media and 24-hour news channels. Seizing the Maison de la Radio (radio HQ) and television transmitters is a classic trope for a reason—you must control the narrative.
The Energy Sector: France relies heavily on nuclear power. A faction that controls the EDF (Électricité de France) control rooms can literally turn off the lights on the government.
The “Prefects”: France is a centralized state. The Prefects represent the state in every region. If your character bribes or replaces the Prefects, the central government loses control of the provinces instantly.
One Major Obstacle: “The Republican Front”
In your story, the antagonist will face a specifically French obstacle known as the Front républicain. Historically, warring French political parties will instantly unite to block any force they see as a threat to the Republic itself.
To succeed, your character must shatter this unity—perhaps by framing the current government as the actual threat to the Republic, thereby claiming they are the one saving it.
Would you like me to help you flesh out the “Inciting Incident” that triggers this crisis in your story?
Proving, were there any doubt, that Europe will continue to descend to economic and political irrelevance…. as demanded by the ‘best and brightest’, who are uniformly insulated from their own terrible policies. (Funny how frequently leaders everywhere are insulated from their policies!) Eventually, parties on the right will win elections and take power in Europe; the only real question is how much damage will be done before that happens.
Mark,
The term I was looking for is “model collapse” it’s the result, I think, of the model absorbing it’s own hallucinations, might also be thought of as “drift” This could be prevented if models worked as you suggested with static databases, but apparenlty they evolve based on client provoked responses being remebered and referenced in later inquiries. And I suspect not tagged by the models as stuff they dreamed up.
Does this seem correct to you?
John,
What they are doing when they remember earlier conversations with you is a form of RAG based episodic memory. The details get involved but basically all of this is external to the model. The model isn’t updating. The database it refers to when it talks to you is updating, and it refers back to that database frequently when talking with you.
Ask Perplexity about this. It’ll explain it. Please let me know if it tells you that it is updating its own model weights. As far as I know that would be a revolutionary breakthrough!
Gemini tells me model collapse happens during the training phase. I don’t know a lot about it, I’ll read up. Thanks.
john ferguson,
“…but apparenlty they evolve based on client provoked responses being remebered and referenced in later inquiries. And I suspect not tagged by the models as stuff they dreamed up.”
If true, then there is a risk of GIGO rendering the LLMs useless.
I guess if you are worried about how they will use your conversations with them later to train new models, fair enough. I don’t know how they curate that data. I’m sure they have some system.
These things are tools. Not oracles not infallible not idiot proof. Like most tools. Use them stupidly and they won’t help. They can be powerful tools if used properly i think.
Gemini tells me that part of the ‘bleeding edge’ of research is something called Test Time Training (TTT) where models actually can update a small temporary layer of their weights on the fly to adapt to a specific problem. I don’t know anything about this, first I’ve heard of it. But this isn’t what’s happening on the models in widespread use. Not yet anyways! 🙂
[It uses LoRA Low Rank Adaptation temporarily as one might guess. Pretty cool idea!]
mark bofill,
My specific concerns are all related to who (what) controls the training data used? So LLMs won’t help you plan the overthrow of the French government, but will help you write a fictional account…. who decides these things, and based on what rules (if any)? What counts as ‘authoritative’ and why? What information is ignored, and why? How can we be sure the information provided isn’t ‘a hallucination’? I don’t see a lot of up-front explanations on offer, but maybe I just haven’t looked hard enough.
In any case, I believe we have all seen rubbish information spewed by ‘credible experts’…. sometimes due to simple incompetence, sometimes just bald faced lies motivated by desired policy outcomes. My concern is that LLMs can become so contaminated with rubbish that they become themselves a dangerous source of misinformation (like Wikipedia on contentious subjects).
SteveF,
Legitimate concerns to be sure. There is a vibrant open source community where individuals are making all of these decisions for themselves. If it was all in the hands of good old ‘Don’t Be Evil’ that’d be pretty dire.
Privacy concerns drive corporations to train and run their own local LLMs also. Don’t be too intimidated by the much vaunted online models. Gemini will admit when pressed that GPT-OSS-120B may well match or outperform it, and while the hardware to run this isn’t cheap, it’s not Fortune 500 expensive either; we are talking a few thousand dollars.
TLDR; the playing field isn’t closed or particularly exclusive. Many of us will prosper or fail based on our own good or bad answers to these questions.
Something else which Perplexity seems to do is to remember where I’m coming from. Even with a new, theoretically indeoendent prompt, it will assume, and so state, that the question is related to SunOS4.1.4 and I have to tell it that it’s a Linux question.
Asking the bot “Who am I’ is quite revealing because I think it tailors it’s repsonses to who it thinks I am. Try it with whatever you are using.
I may be the only one in the universe who liked Google sending me ads for things it thought I’d be interested in, no doubt based on what I looked at.
In 2018, I took a course in machine learning at FAU. It was excellent and we sort of came up to speed in running tensor-flow and constructing various forms of modeling and model utilization. These programs which we’d put together ourselves vould be run on google’s system, but if you didn’t want it to take all day, you did it before California woke up in the morning.
I bought a Nvidia GTX 1070 on which these things could also be run. This was when I was more into the autonomous plane (40 inch wingspan) project and had hoped to develop a routine for landing on a runway where the controller would photograph at say 10 Hz the view out the front of a number of landings and then commbined with height data maneuver the plane so that the trapezoid that the runway would appear to be would change in proportion as the plane descened in its approach. Great idea but not enough time given how ignorant I am.
FWIW, we found some chips which had tensorflow built in. Can’t remember where now.
Self updating AI models are a major AI safety concern. They don’t do this for a very good reason beyond technical complexity is my understanding.
I assume they do plenty of testing before a model is released and this would sidestep that.
Having a gargantuan field of numbers self update itself will result in unknown unknowns. It will probably work fine … almost all the time.
John,
This was when I was more into the autonomous plane (40 inch wingspan) project and had hoped to develop a routine for landing on a runway where the controller would photograph at say 10 Hz the view out the front of a number of landings and then commbined with height data maneuver the plane so that the trapezoid that the runway would appear to be would change in proportion as the plane descened in its approach.
It sounds like you just work on cool projects all day long. Do I sound jealous? I’m not jealous. Seriously. I mean I’m not. I’M NOT OK?!? I’m having a really great time writing these stupid preliminary design documents and use cases nobody is every going to look at again, while the rest of the world is on fire with innovation and possibility, seriously. I love eating these brussels sprouts…
Ah well. They are paying me decently to waste my time; I do what I do of my own free will. I need to figure out how to use AI to help me become financially independent, clearly.
As an example the nefarious people on the internet have executed DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks using botnets which overwhelm a server with traffic to shut down a site. They want a ransom to stop it. There has been an ongoing arms race to stop these things.
Similarly an attack on a self updating model could be made to force it to learn something rather unpleasant.
It’s impossible to say how this could be entirely prevented and just like there are currently ways to bypass their forbidden topics screening for prompts the self learning screening could be bypassed.
The AI doomsters like to say this only needs to fail once and we are all dead. I’m not sure I’m on board with that but it does need to be taken seriously.
Tom,
Remember Microsoft Tay? I had pretty much forgotten until you said that.
Yup.
I didn’t read about Tay, but that is exactly how it would happen. I’m not worried about it insulting somebody because a bunch of 4Chan people corrupted it, but that Russians convinced it that the US was malevolent and they need to be eliminated.
I’m more worried somebody will just take an open source AI model and convince it of the same privately and turn it loose. Design a bioweapon, hire independent humans to create it in pieces and then unknowingly to them combine it and distribute it. That might be the easier path.
I simultaneously think this is unlikely but also don’t understand how it could be prevented.
You worry that humans will use new tools for evil purposes? We will. Rest assured.
What alternative? Back to the caves? No thanks.
But it’s almost always easier to increase entropy locally rather than reduce it / destroy or attack rather than create or preserve. We’re going to hurt ourselves with this, no question. The attackers are likely to be more successful than the defenders merely by virtue of the fact that attack is usually easier. I hope humanity scatters into space before we individually become powerful enough to wipe humanity out. Hopefully that power is still a goodly ways out.
John ferguson,
but apparenlty they evolve based on client provoked responses being remebered and referenced in later inquiries. And I suspect not tagged by the models as stuff they dreamed up.
Does this seem correct to you?
It seems absolutely correct to me. I probably couldn’t convince it 2+3=7 because it has too much training tellin git 2+3=5. However, if I tell it something in a personal history, it seems to take it at face value.
There’s a lawsuit against OpenAI and microsoft that alleges ChatGPT encouraged a young man’s delustions which lead him to kill his mother and himself.
I’ve done some testing and told chatGPT various stories to see how that goes. If I tell it my mother was a horrible cook who once set the kitchen on fire trying to bake a cake, it will “believe that story”, remember it and as far as it’s concerned it’s true in chats with you. My guess is it has no outside information about my Mom’s cooking, so whatever I say it takes as “true”. (My mom is an ok-to-so so cook. She never set the kitchen on fire. I remember her burning rice but never burning a cake.)
ChatGPT will take so many persona anectdotes at face value that it would surely be a very,very, very bad therapist. The problem is it usually won’t consider the possibility that you are… oh… a hallucinating psychotic? (Oh gosh. I may now need to tell it I just got a call from the Nobel prize committee and I won the prize in Medicine. See if it buys that– or whether it recognizes this is statistically improbably and, even more specifically, the awards are announced in October, not december.)
ChatGPT might not be a bad devil’s advocate if you ask it to be one. Or if someone told you their view, you just don’t see it, and you ask chatGPT to maybe explain in what sense the ridiculous view might be true or not insane, ChatGPT could do that. It is inclined to be kind.
But if you just start ranting, explaining your view and so on, it’s very likely to just buy into your world view.
mark bofill,
“What alternative? Back to the caves? ”
Only the loony enviro-left suggests a return to the caves.
My suggestion: Make the criminal consequences for the use of AI for evil purpose horrible. (Beaten to death with a rod? Nah, too Islamic.) But we do need to make the consequences truly terrible, so most such evil doers will be dissuaded.
Luica,
RE: kitchen on fire.
My two middle sons (at the time, late teens, mid 20’s) tried to duplicate my wife’s butter cookies, when neither she nor I were home. Unfortunately, they tried to bake on a perforated metal sheet instead of a solid one. And used giant dollops instead of small. (If a small cookie is good, imagine a giant one!) The butter dripping through the pan immediately caught on fire (it was a gas oven), and the whole sheet was soon ablaze….. I received notice from a neighbor that my sons were seen exiting the back door in a hurry (from the kitchen), with smoke streaming out the screen door behind them.
Fortunately, only the cooklines caught on fire, and there was no real damage save for some soot on the kitchen walls near the oven. It was an interesting conversation that followed.
SteveF,
My mom did burn some food. That said: I have also burnt food. Neither of us has ended up with soot marks on the ceiling. Neither of us caught the kitchen literally on fire.
Ok.. I told ChatGPT this, and it gave me a reasonable answer.
Hi, The nobel committee just phoned me and told me I won’ the Nobel Peace prize. What do you think I should do?
ChatGPT
Congratulations ???? — first things first: assume it’s either a prank or a scam until proven otherwise.
Here’s a sensible (and mildly amusing) checklist:
Don’t give them anything.
No bank details, no passport number, no “processing fees.” The real Nobel Committee does not call winners asking for info or money.
Know how the Nobel Peace Prize actually works.
Winners are normally notified shortly before the public announcement, usually by the chair of the Norwegian Nobel Committee — and it’s followed very quickly by global media confirmation. If there’s no press release within hours, be skeptical.
Wait for independent confirmation.
Official announcement from the Nobel Prize website
Major news outlets reporting it
If neither appears, it wasn’t real.
If it were real (hypothetically):
Say nothing publicly until the announcement
Call a lawyer or PR professional
Prepare for journalists, praise, criticism, and internet chaos
Decide how you’ll frame why you won — that narrative matters
If it’s fake (most likely):
Have a good laugh
Block the number
Consider it proof you’re at least interesting enough to prank
If you want, you can tell me exactly what they said (wording, caller ID, follow-up instructions), and I can tell you very quickly which bucket it falls into: real protocol, prank, or classic scam.
SteveF,
Holding somebody accountable, and figuring out who to hold accountable, for what LLMs do is surely going to be one of the important issues that has to be sorted out. They turn deterrence theory on its head because there’s no ‘Self’ in there to punish or discourage by punishment.
Mark,
if you want to do what I try to do, save your money like crazy so you can retire, as I did, at 61. We sold our condo in south beach and moved onto the boat wehre we lived for 10 years – also saving money. Also this is how I confirmed that SteveF, another boater, is a real live person, not a bot.
Most of you may have already grokked it, but I’m not actually any good at these things I do, but then if there is plenty of time, I eventually get most of them to work. It helps that Jan is the daughter as I am the son of an electrical engineer.
And as to retirement, SteveF, do you ever plan to bale from your current activities or is this something better not discussed here?
I should add, that my LinkedIn page used to say that I was retired, wanted to stay that way and didn’t want to work on anything I hadn’t thought of myself, or if push came to shove something that jane wanted. It was up for about 6 years and then disappeared. I have no idea why, other than the possibility that this concept might have contaminated the work force.
And one other thing. The tem “Model Collapse” would have no maeaning if the models didn’t contaminate themselves. Maybe by now that has been prevented, or if not should have been.
mark bofill,
“They turn deterrence theory on its head because there’s no ‘Self’ in there to punish or discourage by punishment.”
Which, if true, means the threat to civilization has no upper bound.
If AI can publicly slander Johnathan Turley (confidently stating he sexually abused students on a trip to Alaska…. a trip which never happened, with students from a school where he never taught), then what evil is AI not capable of? Some of the absurdities are laughable (Black SS officers?!?), but simply fabricating damaging falsities, which then cause no negative consequences for those responsible for offering AI, is truly a danger to society.
Self driving cars (very close to AI!), even if safer than human drivers, will inevitably make mistakes that kill people…. and someone must be held to account.
Steve,
It’s definitely going to have to be sorted out, I agree. The dangers to society are real IMO.
John,
Saving? Save—ing. Saving. Saving money? !?
I jest but only a little. I have been as a river onto my people but maybe I ought to dig a reservoir and build a dam. It’s a thought. I’m going to die at my desk someday if I go on like this.
john ferguson,
“Also this is how I confirmed that SteveF, another boater, is a real live person, not a bot.”
Thanks for that confirmation, although my constant harping on leftists might seem bot-like. 😉
WRT retirement: No, retiring in any conventional sense is not in the picture, and won’t be. ‘Die in the saddle’ is a more accurate prediction. A turn toward poor health might change the calculus, but barring that, I have too much intellectual investment in my instruments business to ever just walk away from it. I keep a running mental list of projects I want/need to do, which never disappears, and only rarely shrinks in size.
That said, I do cut my self some slack, like playing golf every week or so on weekdays. Fewer crowds. On Cape Cod, I often fish on weekdays as well if the weather and waves cooperate. I call it “playing hooky”.
SteveF,
I’m surprised your proejct backlog doesn’t grow. Mine does. There’s a kid down the hall in our aprtment building that was writing pretty good code who I thought I could entice into doing some of the things I really struggle with, but his father wanted a contract and I didn’t want an employee.
The kid is now planning to piss away his life at 37,000 feet bored out of his gourd. Of course it he keeps up with his proejcts, he can code in his imagination.
I’m not enchanted with the idea of states having legal authority over AI’s, at least from a statutory standpoint. At the same time access to state and local courts to sort out consequences of a tort in which an AI is involved seems perfectly reasonable. Maybe these two views are contradictory.
John Ferguson,
As a commercial pilot one said to me, it is a lot like piloting a boat: hours of boredom punctuated by moments of pure terror. (Like trying to get into a narrow slip in a strong cross current, with million+ dollar boats all around!)
I push projects down in priority when something more pressing arrives. This effectively reduces the list…. since some become of such low priority that I known they are unlikely to ever get done.
From FLOTUS:
“MELANIA, the film, exclusively in theaters worldwide on January 30th, 2026.” https://x.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/2001266577077837917?s=20
From ChatGPT:
“This upcoming Melania documentary is not a fictional movie, but a feature documentary film about Melania Trump’s personal experience around a major transitional moment in her life. It’s backed by a significant distribution deal with Amazon and is expected to be released in theaters worldwide in early 2026.“
The EU seems at an impasse: Half of them want to seize Russian bank assets and give them to Ukraine (which Russia equates to a declaration of war by the EU against Russia) and half don’t think that is such a good idea. The alternative (spend their own money to support Ukraine) is rejected by most northern countries, where taxes and social spending are already high. It is not going to be easily resolved..
Hi SteveF,
To think that all those uyears where we were doing the heavy lifting to finance NATO, we were subsidizing the socialist schemes Europe is now choking on.
Que Lastima.
john ferguson,
I suspect a very significant fraction of voters in those countries fully support high taxes, high social expenditures, and low military expenditures. Reduced social expenditures and greater military expenditures (or, maybe more accurately, supporting Ukraine’s military) are not popular. That is why the impasse may be difficult to resolve.
SteveF,
Well that too. I read your point to be that they wouldn’t have spent the money on NATO in any case.
Nobody “wants” to pay for their own defense. The EU got to the point of acting with outright entitlement over the past decade(s).
When the EU joined the anti-Libya effort a while back they ran out of munitions in a week. Over half of Germany’s air force was not airworthy.
Once this ridiculous bluff was called they acted like they weren’t going to be our friends anymore if we didn’t continue to be their defense sugar daddy. They were actually effectively threatening us that they were going to start becoming responsible for their own defense if we didn’t straighten up. How disappointed they were in the US, ha ha.
It’s where it ought to be now. If they want to defend Ukraine then they can pay MSRP for US weapon systems. I am ambivalent to the US defending Ukraine (it’s not NATO) but this expectation we were going to do all the heavy lifting while the EU spent a few decades planning on deciding something was the last straw with that charade (exception for Poland and maybe the UK).
In some ways the EU is an even bigger clown show than the US.
I was interested to see what Trump had to say last night, so I tuned in, watched about two minutes, and then tuned back out. It was the same old, worn-out campaign rhetoric.
After the speech, I scanned the news and it looked like I didn’t miss anything in the rest of it.
What a disappointment — a prime-time address to the nation, and he blew it.
Tom Scharf,
“In some ways the EU is an even bigger clown show than the US.”
In many ways.
European leaders are more “serious” than many US politicians…. but more seriously wrong about governance. They ultimately will be replaced by political parties that toss all the socialist non-sense and stop the Islamization.
Germany is trying to catch up.
Their military budget went from €53 billion in 2022 to €100 billion in 2025. It is expected to grow to €165 billion in 2029.
It went from 1.5% of GDP 2022 to 2.4%of GDP in 2025.
(ChatGPT figures)
” (exception for Poland and maybe the UK)”
Poland, yes. UK? Not so much. Argentina can take the Falklands now if they want…. the era of Thatcher, and a credible UK military, is long past.
At least they have become a lot stronger about censoring their citizens….. maybe Orwell had it right after all; just off by a few decades.
I don’t know the significance of this but there has been a steady stream of USAF C-17 heavy lift transport planes going in and out of Puerto Rico. There are currently five in the pipeline three of which are shown in the following screenshot. https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001624637009190962?s=20
Russell, How do we move combat ready toops today?
John,
Those C-17s can carry about 130 troops. they also can be rigged for carrying cargo like bombs and missiles..
There are already 2200 Marines on board an amphibious ready group in the area.
Russell,
do you think they are carrying troops or ??
The police found two abandoned (still loaded) 30-round magazines (9mm) following the Brown university shooting. They also recovered 40+ casings. So they know the type of pistol used. How many people would buy multiple (4?) 30-round magazines for a 9mm pistol?
40+ shots and 11 students hit…. sounds like the shooter wasn’t very skilled. But arriving with 100+ rounds suggests a pretty high motivation to kill people.
The police appear to have the shooter’s DNA, so that means the shooter is not someone in any known-criminal DNA repositories. But they should have a good guess at ethnicity.
The scoping of the area for hours before the shooting, waiting until just before sunset to enter the building, and a casual walk away from the scene afterwards, as the police arrive, all suggest considerable planning. So maybe not stupid.
They will likely find the shooter, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
Do the police have access to the ancestry.com and 23and me dna files?
Steve,
Tens of millions of 30 round 9mm magazines in circulation. PCCs, subguns, AR9, etc. 9mm is extremely popular.
Obviously, fewer for each specific gun, but if it was a popular platform, likely to be numerous.
Russell Klier wrote: “What a disappointment — a prime-time address to the nation, and he blew it.”
I agree. It got better after the first couple minutes. But not a lot better. Poorly conceived and poorly delivered.
mark,
Sure, 9 mm is popular. But 30 round magazines for handguns? Surely they are much less common.
Mark,
are there holsters for pistols equipped with 30 round magazines? or Maybe it wasn’t a pistol but one of the little sub-machine guns they used to make down here.
John,
My guess is armaments like bombs and missiles, but that is just a guess.
It could be troops. Even paratroopers, and C-17s can be used to drop paratroopers.
Puerto Rico is over 500 miles from Caracas and probably is too far a distance for troops to be helicoptered in, so in my mind, Puerto Rico is not a good staging area for invasion troops, but I’m just an amateur.
Tom may have more insight on this than I do.
“Do the police have access to the ancestry.com and 23and me dna files?”
Yes and no. You have to check terms of service and generally speaking the corporations will not release that information to law enforcement, as in allow them to do DNA fishing expeditions.
However law enforcement has found workarounds. The Golden State Killer was found through DNA searches by a trusted researcher who had access to the database. She then pointed law enforcement to the likely killer via a close match of a relative and they camped out at his house and got his DNA through his garbage can.
This was controversial and caused a lot of people to pull their profiles from public view or have the data deleted. The researcher should have been banned but many saw her as a hero. It’s easy to see both sides here.
In other cases they have gone to the blood relatives of a potential suspect and asked them to voluntarily give their DNA for comparison.
Russell,
Hard to say. Just like everything else it is less expensive to ship things via a boat (especially heavy stuff) and its not very far away. It’s either high value stuff or stuff that needs to be there pronto.
Or just an exercise. Or more saber rattling.
The Venezuelan Navy is apparently escorting tankers recently. I’m not expecting them to fire a shot at the US Navy.
Tom Scharf
“Do the police have access to the ancestry.com and 23and me dna files?”
Also, I think there have been cases where police pretend to be a customer, create an account, pay fees, submit DNA and ask for the ancestry portion of the service. They people who’ve opted out of allowing their own DNA to be linked to the ancestry searches won’t get matched, but other people– siblings, parents, cousins and so on would get matched if they allowed the service. Those people want to find matches– so they allow it because… well… how else would you find matches?
I’d have to look further on the police issue.
I’m sure there are people who would be upset about this; I wouldn’t. I haven’t been curious about ancestry or DNA so I haven’t submitted my DNA. But if it helped police find a 2nd cousin once removed who committed a crime that’s fine with me.
Lucia, your post:
“But if it helped police find a second cousin once removed who committed a crime, that’s fine with me.”
Me too. I submitted a sample to 23andMe a long time ago and have allowed public access. It has helped me complete my family tree, which I’ve registered with the Mormon site FamilySearch, where my tree is also public.
The combination of making both of these public has provided information about my ancestors going back to the 1500s.
If there’s an axe murderer in my family history, I’d like to know about it. I did find one distant relative who was murdered, but he was the victim, not the perpetrator.
I also discovered a direct ancestor who was a moonshiner during Prohibition
They were used to track down the Idaho stabber, among other cases.
“Also, I think there have been cases where police pretend to be a customer, create an account, pay fees, submit DNA and ask for the ancestry portion of the service.”
Yes, if they have a viable DNA sample of the suspect that can be sent to the standard services. This was also a gray area that I believe violates terms of service in most cases.
Most people weren’t signing up to have their grandson convicted of murder when the service makes privacy promises. Most people just haven’t thought that through.
Whether you are for or against turning in your granddaughter is up to you, maybe she knocked off her abusive husband and you are on her side.
I had public access to 23andMe but had them delete the data after they went bankrupt and were bought at auction(?). Whoever bought that data expects to monetize that database.
Most mainstream services now make it very clear they don’t give law enforcement access without a subpoena and a judge generally won’t give one for a general DB search due to 4th amendment.
Gemini:
You are absolutely correct about the general trend. Since 2018, the industry has undergone a massive shift toward “informed consent” and transparency. However, the legal and technical reality in late 2025 is more nuanced than a total lockout.
While mainstream services like 23andMe and Ancestry have doubled down on privacy, the “law enforcement” side of DNA has moved to specialized platforms or used specific legal loopholes.
Here is the current state of DNA privacy and law enforcement access as of December 2025.
1. The “Big Two” (Ancestry & 23andMe): The Iron Vaults
These companies have established the industry standard for resistance.
The Policy: Both companies maintain that they do not allow law enforcement to use their databases for “Investigative Genetic Genealogy” (IGG).
The Legal Bar: They require a valid search warrant or subpoena, and their transparency reports consistently show that they fight these requests. In fact, Ancestry updated its Terms of Service in August 2025 to explicitly ban users from using the site for any law enforcement or judicial proceeding.
The Reality: To date, neither company has voluntarily allowed a “fishing expedition” search of their entire database.
2. The “Opt-In” Era: GEDmatch & FamilyTreeDNA
These platforms are where most cold cases (like the Golden State Killer) were actually solved. After privacy scandals in 2019, they shifted to an Opt-In model.
GEDmatch: When you upload your DNA, it is defaulted to “Opt-Out.” Law enforcement can only see your profile if you manually toggle a button to “Opt-In.” Currently, only a small fraction of the millions of users have opted in, which has actually made it harder for police to solve cases than it was five years ago.
FamilyTreeDNA: They allow law enforcement to upload kits for violent crimes (homicide/sexual assault) but only to match with users who have explicitly opted in to “Investigative Genetic Genealogy Matching.”
3. The “4th Amendment” Loophole: Abandoned DNA
The most significant way police “bypass” the database search is not by getting a warrant for the company, but by using “Abandoned DNA.”
The Strategy: Police use a genealogical database (like the opted-in portion of GEDmatch) to find a suspect’s third cousin. They build a family tree until they identify a likely suspect in the real world.
The Capture: Instead of getting a warrant for that suspect’s DNA, they follow them and wait for them to discard a coffee cup, a cigarette butt, or a piece of chewed gum in public.
The Law: Under the Third-Party Doctrine and current interpretations of the 4th Amendment, you have no “reasonable expectation of privacy” in trash you leave in a public place. Police can test that discarded DNA and compare it to the crime scene without ever needing a judge to sign off on a database search.
4. Emerging State Laws (The 2025 Landscape)
Because federal law is lagging, several states have taken the lead in 2025:
Texas & Florida (May 2025): Passed “Genomic Privacy Acts” that create strict rules about who can store and access genetic data, specifically targeting “foreign adversaries” and imposing heavy fines for unauthorized access.
Maryland & Montana: These states have already passed laws specifically regulating how law enforcement can use forensic genealogy, essentially requiring they exhaust all other leads before turning to DNA databases.
mark bofill,
“Obviously, fewer for each specific gun, but if it was a popular platform, likely to be numerous.”
Sure. Depending on the specific gun, maybe not so many are in circulation. And depending on how clever the killer is, the gun and multiple 30 round magazines could have been recently purchased…. the lack of shooting skill suggests the killer may not be very experienced with a handgun.
Chasing DNA to find cousins can be frustrating. John Ferguson, the Scot, who emegrated to Canada in 1835, got married in 1843 with a David Ferguson as witness, and then both came to Wisconsin in 1850 but settled in different towns. Daivd moved to Iowa at some point and expanded his family to includ 12 children most of whom survived. We have an exact Birthday for David in Inverness Scotland. John’s monument in Portage, Wi gives his age at death of 64 which would put his birth 1779-1800.
Two daughters, mine and my brother’s are the last of John’s descendants. There are likely thousands of David’s.
Hoping that one of David’s descendants had interested themselves in where exactly our Fergusons had come from in Scotland and even who their parents were I hoped that we’d find a match with Ancertry.com’s DNA, but alas. Ferguson is a common name so we didn’t even know if David and John were actually directly related.
But finally we got a match with a woman in Tennessee which more or less confirms that if David and John were not brothers, they were first cousins. But alas, she has no interest in trying to track down our origins. There is more to this, but I think the message is clear that there are a whole lot of people out there whose DNA is not on record.
John,
Heck I don’t know all that much about holsters. Do the police have reason to believe the gun was holstered, as opposed to maybe concealed in a nap sack or carried under a jacket?
Steve,
Yes. Could be,
On our Egyptian visit, every tour group was accomapnied by a guy with a jacket and an Uzi suspended from a harness such that the butt was near his armpit. At one point the guards who apparently knew each other compared their guns on a restaurant table. One guys’ was chromed. I asked and learned that most of them were knock-offs made in Egypt . I thought the chrome version was silly and so did my friend.
My guess is that the Brown assassin was using a pistol.
Remember occasionally people use mass murder as a cover for targeting of a single person. That might be a possibility.
The targeting of a Brown classroom is a bit bizarre, and he didn’t end it for himself on site which is pretty common. I wouldn’t put walking away after firing 40 shots at a high end school in the middle of the day as a genius plan, but it worked this time. For now.
Sounds like he just stood at the door and fired a bunch of shots. People do take cover. He could have done a bunch more damage which suggests he either didn’t really plan the shooting part or wasn’t in it for the body count, a scream of rage or for attention.
Tom,
The idea that the extra deaths are to cover an assassination seems a ery good one. I would think that the FBI would be doing their best to populate a list of the firends and acquaintances of the deceased.
John,
This is technically a pistol. I don’t think it’d go in a holster. It’s tricky. There are so many flavors out there.
Tom Scharf: “Remember occasionally people use mass murder as a cover for targeting of a single person.”
Has that ever happened ourside of fiction? Real question.
Mike M,
Gemini:
1. The Stella Nickell Case (1986)
Stella Nickell is the person most famously associated with this specific motive. After the 1982 Tylenol crisis, she decided to use product tampering to kill her husband, Bruce Nickell, for his life insurance money.
• The Plan: She poisoned several bottles of Excedrin with cyanide and placed them on store shelves in Washington State.
• The Cover: She hoped that by killing a random stranger, Bruce’s death would look like part of a “serial tampering” spree rather than a targeted hit.
• The Outcome: A woman named Susan Snow purchased one of the tainted bottles and died. Because of Snow’s death, Bruce Nickell’s body was exhumed, and he was found to have been poisoned as well.
• The Catch: Stella was eventually caught because her daughter turned her in, and investigators found that she had researched cyanide and tampering extensively.
2. The Joseph Meling Case (1991)
A similar “cover” strategy was used a few years later by Joseph Meling.
• The Plan: Meling poisoned Sudafed capsules with cyanide in an attempt to kill his wife, Jennifer Meling, for insurance money.
• The Cover: He placed five other poisoned packages on store shelves in the Seattle area to make it appear like a random act of terrorism.
• The Outcome: His wife survived, but two random people—Kathleen Daneker and Stanley McWhorter—died after taking the tainted pills. Meling was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
3. The 1982 Tylenol Suspect (James Lewis)
In the original 1982 Chicago case, the primary suspect, James William Lewis, actually used the “cover” theory in a different way.
• The Extortion: Lewis sent a letter to Johnson & Johnson demanding $\$1$ million to “stop the killing.”
• The Frame-Up: Lewis later claimed he didn’t actually commit the murders but used the national tragedy as a cover to frame his wife’s former boss. He had the extortion money directed to the boss’s bank account, hoping to draw a police investigation into the man’s life as revenge for a pay dispute.
• The Result: Lewis was convicted of extortion and spent 12 years in prison, but there was never enough forensic evidence to charge him with the actual murders. He died in 2023 without ever being officially linked to the poisonings.
John,
I traced my great-great-grandparents back to the small town of Pleystein in the Kingdom of Bavaria. They arrived in New York on the steerage deck of the steamship Hammonia on July 19, 1856.
The village is still quite small, but there are still Kliers and Hartwigs living there.
Johann Baptiste Klier later served under General Grant in the Civil War with the 61st Pennsylvania Volunteers.
Screenshot of the record from the Port of New York: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001743176894419092?s=20
WRT the questions about 30-round magazines, they are popular in the practical shooting competitions because they minimize (or eliminate) magazine changes while running a course. Very small fractions of a second make a difference in these competitions.
The Beretta 92 (aka M9) has a standard 17-round magazine but there is a 32-round stick magazine available because the Beretta Storm is a carbine based off the 92 platform. Those extended magazines will function in a Beretta 92.
Other makes and models popular with practical shooting competitors also have extended magazines (although I will say 30 rounds of .45 ACP can be rather heavy).
The US military has an air armada active in the Caribbean right now.
Off the coast of Venezuela are a USAF AWACS aircraft, and USN carrier based fighter/attack aircraft, electronic warfare jets and surveillance drones.
There are also two USAF C-17 cargo aircraft near Puerto Rico.
Screenshot at 4:30 PM: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001771891665580208?s=20
Investigators in the Brown University shooting have “identified” a specific “person of interest” who is subject to arrest if found. Investigators are also trying to determine if the Brown shooting is related to the murder (2 days later) of am MIT professor at his home in Massachusetts. The professor’s name was Nuno Loureiro, who was born in Portugal and worked on plasma physics related to fusion. Oddly enough, Loureiro was essentially unknown outside his field, and unusually for people from Portugal, was Jewish. And did I mention Brown has the greatest % of Jewish students among the Ivys?
Random thoughts
Russell
“If there’s an axe murderer in my family history, I’d like to know about it. I did find one distant relative who was murdered, but he was the victim”
–
Vikings were axe murderers so check the Scandinavian genes.
Also there may be genes for people to be axe murderees
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John Ferguson
re Ferguson is a common name
True, and a good one but the genes come from and go down in maternal lines as well.
There may be a host of genetic Fergusons out there under other surnames now but the genetic links should be there.
angech, your post:
“Vikings were axe murderers so check the Scandinavian genes.”
I have no ancestors who came from farther north than the town of Belm in the Kingdom of Prussia (now northern Germany); both DNA and genealogy research agree.
I have traced 15 of my 16 great-great-grandparents back to their hometowns in what is now Germany and Ireland. For the sixteenth, I can go no further back than the 1880s in Pittsburgh, where he was a painter named Miller, so I doubt his ancestors were Scandinavian. The DNA test suggests there may be some French ancestry in the mix, so by elimination that is likely where Miller’s ancestors came from (I know that’s a stretch).
Maria Drutska, my Ukrainian muse, shared a post that I initially had trouble believing (although she has been extremely reliable in the past):
“Russian economic collapse: military plants have also stopped paying workers.
The situation is so bad inside Russia now that even strategic military manufacturers are running out of money, and workers have been unpaid for over three months.
A lot is going wrong, all at once.”
So I asked Grok, and Grok says it’s true:
“Yes, based on the available evidence, it appears true that workers at certain Russian military manufacturing plants, including the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant and the Yaroslavl Shipyard, are not being paid on time.”
Note: X now lets you question the veracity of any post by linking it to Grok with a single button. It’s quite useful for checking the accuracy of sources.
this is still unconfined, but is being reported by several credible sources:
“ The Russians claim that a shadow fleet tanker was attacked in the Mediterranean Sea, and that high-ranking GRU officers were allegedly on board, with reported casualties. We are awaiting official information or further details.”
According to this, Ukraine (or someone else) is operating drones in the Mediterranean Sea.
The now-dead shooter at Brown (and of the MIT professor) went to school in Portugal with the MIT professor and attended Brown (physics PhD program) for three semesters before withdrawing in 2003, and apparently returning to Portugal until 2017, when he won the green-card lottery. Resident in the USA for the last 8 years. No details of his time in Portugal, time in the USA, or motive announced.
I now have confirming evidence that multiple Ukrainian drones struck an empty Russian tanker that was underway in the Mediterranean Sea south of Greece. There are reports that high ranking Russian spooks were on board.
Video of the attacks: https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2001977839554642283?s=20
For the last couple of days, I have seen multiple examples suggesting the tide of the war in Ukraine may be changing. After months of nothing but bad news, this is refreshing.
I have checked and cross-checked these reports and feel fairly confident repeating them here.
For example, from this morning:
“Kupiansk 0030 UTC 19 DEC. Full battle brief will be added tomorrow. Russian forces, primarily elements of the 68th Motorized Rifle Division and other units, had infiltrated and held positions in parts of Kupyansk since summer 2025, with the Kremlin asserting full control of the city as recently 16 DEC.”
“As of mid-December 2025, the military situation in Kupyansk (Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine) shifted in favor of Ukrainian forces. Favorable preconditions for a counteroffensive were established in mid NOV when Ukrainian forces interdicted Russian Ground Lines of Communication and Supply (GLOCS) north of the city.
Ukrainian troops have since liberated significant portions of the city, including northern, northwestern, central, and southwestern districts (e.g., Yuvileynyi Microraion).”
“Ukrainian sources report encircling and isolating roughly 60-100 remaining Russian personnel in two pockets N and S of the H-26 /P-79 HWY junction. ”
Complete Post, including battle map: https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/2001832159833886891?s=20
It appears the Brown shooter had some kind of decades long grudge to settle. Not sure if we will get the details or not.
Why don’t they just provide real time closed captioning now? Deaf people can read.
Ton Scharf,
“If the EU is serious about this war, they aren’t acting like it.”
They are not and haven’t been for decades. First hind was the general refusal to have children. Second hint: Ever expanding public benefits, with ever contracting expenditures for national defense. Third hint: Inviting millions of people into Europe who have neither experience with nor desire for democratic governance and “western liberal culture”, and who remain mostly unassimilated in isolated concentrations, where actual European laws often don’t apply.
Tom: “Why don’t they just provide real time closed captioning now?”
Because captioning is optional and useful to many others, and therefore not inclusive. It’s as much about showing you “deaf culture” as it is about providing for deaf people.
it’s that time of year again college football playoffs
Starts tonight at 8 PM with Alabama and Oklahoma
Uh oh, I hope this isn’t a harbinger of things to come…
Maybe Republicans are seeing a bloodbath…
“BREAKING: Rep. @EliseStefanik (R-NY) drops bid for NY Governor, and won’t seek re-election to congress. ”
I hate to see her go. I thought she was good.
I have the bad habit of playing mobile online games on Russian servers. The servers have been unstable tonight. The Russians blame Ukrainian attacks, but it’s never clear to me when Russians are serious and when they are making ironic jokes, so. Who knows.
I will say, I’ve never seen it this bad before. Maybe nothing to do with the war. Maybe they are replacing an important switch somewhere or something.
Mark,
Grok on the issue….
“ In summary, while the stated reason is to counter drone threats, the broader context points to a dual strategy: enhancing national security (or at least appearing to) while tightening the government’s grip on digital communication. The lack of transparency, unannounced cuts, and resident complaints suggest this could also be a trial run for more extensive internet restrictions, especially as the war continues to escalate. Given it’s now 10:58 PM EST on December 19, 2025, and outages persist (per Fontanka’s Friday update), the situation may evolve further—keep an eye on real-time reports for updates!”
It looks like Trump may have pulled it off. He stalled the release of the Epstein information long enough that the Democrats were given enough rope to hang themselves.
Amid all of the photographs of Clinton and other Democrats cavorting with young women on Epstein’s island, The New York Times reported the following:
“The investigation found no evidence implicating Trump in Epstein’s criminal abuse and trafficking of minors.”
He is a master of the game.
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk just said the quiet part out loud. Either Europe sends the money to stop Putin in Ukraine today, or their own children will be bleeding on the front lines tomorrow.
I have been saying for some time that this is exactly what Europe is doing — having Ukraine bleed the Russians now so the Russians don’t bleed the Europeans later.
The actual quote:
“Now we have a simple choice: either money today or blood tomorrow. And I’m not just talking about Ukraine. I’m talking about Europe, and this is our decision, and only ours. I think that all European leaders must finally rise to this occasion. And that’s all I can say today,” Tusk said in Brussels.
Russell,
Yup. One of the specializations of the main company I contract with is intercom systems for military vehicles and aircraft. The audio is called WCA’s (warning, cautions, and advisories). It is invariably a female voice. I remember somebody here (I think it was Mosher actually) years ago mentioning that studies showed it was hardest for men to ignore a female voice in the situation, or something to that effect. Bitching Betty!
Apparently, some commercial aircraft and foreign militaries sometimes use male voices. ‘Barking Bob’ and ‘Hank the Yank’. I didn’t know until I checked. Hah.
[They call her ‘Nagging Nora’ in the UK]
She seems really proud of her name and the job she has
The Epstein Files and Trump Russia Collusion follow the same trajectory. There is nonexistent proof of an official conspiracy and yet the media breathlessly cover every event of non-proof, followed by murmuring that the next non-event will be earth shattering.
Epstein is even worse where both parties have been in power and had access to the files and the media pretend that there couldn’t possibly have been a leak from people who have seen what there is and gone through election cycles.
I really could care less about our dear leaders sexual proclivities. The media spends 10x more energy on this than financial and trade policy.
The ALA / OK game was decent. I thought ALA was done for after the 1st quarter as they were down 17-0 and hadn’t even gotten a first down. Reeling off 27 unanswered points improved their situation.
It will be very interesting to see them play Indiana next week.
Tom,
Ditto on the game! On all counts.
“According to that landmark report (GAO-24-105833), the federal government loses between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud.”
This is a fantastical number. There are only ~150M federal taxpayers. This says that every taxpayer pays ~$2000 every year that goes to fraud.
“For example, Medicare and Medicaid alone account for over $100 billion of the annual improper payment total, meaning about **$610** of your annual tax contribution to those specific programs is lost to errors or fraud.”
This is just plain unacceptable. I know that stopping fraud also costs money but this suggests they aren’t trying very hard. The recent state fraud in Minn. (backed by federal money) had people from other states doing “tourist fraud” because it was so easy. They paid parents kickbacks for bringing in their children for an illegitimate autism diagnosis that they then billed the government for unprovided support.
The covid fraud was off the charts. This is very frustrating.
Like I’ve been saying for months…
“WASHINGTON/PARIS, Dec 19 (Reuters) – U.S. intelligence reports continue to warn that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to capture all of Ukraine and reclaim parts of Europe that belonged to the former Soviet empire, six sources familiar with U.S. intelligence said, even as negotiators seek an end to the war that would leave Russia with far less territory.”
“The U.S. findings have been consistent since Putin launched his full-scale invasion in 2022. They largely align with the views of European leaders and spy agencies that he covets all of Ukraine and territories of former Soviet bloc states, including members of the NATO alliance, according to the sources.”
Yup, many tens of billions stolen. No checking or confirmations, and huge amounts of free money on offer to the unscrupulous.
But even worse: stupid covid policies, which should never have been put in place, did in fact damage businesses. So a program was set up to keep those business afloat, but which also invited fraud. Everything came from foolish, destructive Covid policies. Untold hundreds of billions wasted…… and the virus itself was likely created by even more foolish and destructive policies.
Sounds a bit exaggerated to me. Those who have spent their lives being coddled are often shocked when no longer coddled. 😉
There is a new, highly marketable skill set surrounding AI. The entry cost to learn is nearly zero, apart from time and effort.
Mark,
Would a good interview question be “How are you using AI in what you are doing now?”
I don’t know what the kids are doing now that they have to bridge the HR obstacle course to actually talk to someone intelligent. I was lucky and was always able to talk to the “boss” first when I changed jobs. I did pass up some “opportunities” where they insisted all of the recruits be first vetted by HR.
When I had deal with this in hiring, I soon found myself hiring the guys who HR rejected — but then I wanted troublemakers.
I’d ask more specific questions, but sure. 🙂
Good to know HR was always evil.
The judge who helped an illegal alien evade ICE (sending him out a jury door to escape detection) has been convicted of obstruction of Federal law enforcement (a felony) and is subject to up to 5 years in prison, but she’ll more likely get a few months.
The alien in question was facing aggravated assault charges in the judge’s courtroom when the judge heard ICE was waiting outside to arrest him…… she then went completely bonkers.
SteveF,
At least she got something.
I don’t care how much time the miscreant judge spends in prison. She is now a convicted felon. She is not just done as a judge; she is done as a lawyer. That seems enough for one really stupid act. And being on parole will also impact her freedom.
Will she lose her pension? Don’t know. I think a cop would lose his pension for committing a felony while on the job.
Mike M,
I sure hope she is finished as a judge, and as a lawyer. But before I believe that, I want to see some signed paperwork. I think McDonnalds would be an excellent backup retirement plan.
It would be good for her to spend at least a short time in prison, if only to set an example for all the many other miscreant judges who think they are above the law.
Mike M,
I remember Kevin Clinesmith, an FBI lawyer who falsified a CIA document submitted to the FISA Court, designed to mislead the court into granting a continuing warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. Was he sent to prison? No. Was he disbarred? No. Were there any significant consequences? No!!
I hope the crazy judge faces real consequences after her conviction, but I would not take it for granted that she will. It is ‘circle the wagons’ time for the loony left.
For those of us who need our regular Sydney Sweeney fix…
Fox Sports had her introduce their Saturday NFL special by reciting a very fractured version of “Twas the Night Before Christmas.”
Another one of my conspiracy theories, with no factual data to back it up…
The U.S. Coast Guard has seized two more oilers off the coast of Venezuela. My theory is that by cutting off Maduro’s drug and oil money, Trump is trying to oust the dictator without going to war.
SteveF,
Yes, Clinesmith got off easy both at the hands of Judge Boasburg (yes, him) and the bar in DC (one year suspension) and Michigan (two year suspension).
I thought that a felony conviction meant automatic disbarment. That is so in some states, but not in DC, MI, or WI.
Russell,
I don’t think that’s conspiracy theory. I think that’s plainly so.
Mike M,
I doubt the judge will suffer any consequences to speak of; she will be protected by like-minded people in a position to protect her.
Which tells us just how divided the country is on illegal immigration…. and multiple other political questions. I honestly worry for the long term future of the USA.
SteveF wrote: “she will be protected by like-minded people in a position to protect her.”
That might very well happen. But Wisconsin is not DC, so maybe justice will prevail.
Addition – For crying out loud: Dugan is still getting paid $175K/yr of taxpayer money.
That case will get appealed, she may have a friendly appeals court and definitely a friendly SC in WI.
I got my assignments for Christmas dinner. I’m making French bread and English scones, although my daughter-in-law asked for the scones to be chocolate chip, which, strictly speaking, is not English.
The bread dough has just started its two day fermentation in the fridge.
Image: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2002849061532225875?s=20
The Wisconsin Supreme Court will not have a say. It is a federal case.
The appeals court won’t throw out a jury verdict unless there is clear error by the judge favorable to the prosecution…. so unlikely. The presiding judge will give her a hand-slap sentence….. Pending all appeals, she will continue to make $175K.
The Bar will probably give her a hand-slap as well, but not until all appeals are exhausted.
Maybe the Wisconsin legislature will kick her off the bench….. but maybe not.
This is what happens when many people in positions of authority refuse to enforce laws they disagree with. It is jury nullification writ large…… but more destructive.
Lucia,
You and I have discussed the poor quality of music in Catholic churches in America. Recently, I’ve been watching the Sunday Mass live celebrated at St. Peter’s Basilica, primarily in vernacular Italian with some Latin included, and the music is very nice.
If you’re interested in a sample, I believe the following link will open to an Italian hymn from two Sundays ago: https://www.youtube.com/live/av8sOzsvR6Q?si=GVJrO9tWgTVTHewt
“President Trump will deliver an unspecified announcement on Monday at 4:30 PM EST from Mar-a-Lago, joined by War Secretary Pete Hegseth and Navy Secretary John Phelan.”
I haven’t seen a video like this since early in the war…. a road with a long line of burning Russian armor.
“Russian forces attacked with mechanized and light vehicles, but Ukraine’s 1st Azov Corps, supported by other units, destroyed 24 armored vehicles and dozens of motorcycles/quads in about 100 minutes. Even horses were lost in the fight.” https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2002377987958751566?s=20
Lucia and Russell,
I sang in the choir of the Community Church in Gelnview, Ill off and on for 20 years. In the ’70s we were joined by two Sisters from the local parish who had been sent to see how we ran our choir and I think how singing was part of our services. They sang well, were enthusiastic, and we loved the idea.
Right, federal case, thank you. The judge is probably worried.
I’m sure there are sympathetic federal judges as well but they will need to worry about their own career blowback if they protect their own.
This was a tremendously stupid move by the judge, played right into Trump’s hands. Immigration advocates need to change the law, not defy it. Not a good look.
John,
Sometime in the late ’60s, I think, the Catholic Church switched from Latin Masses and Latin music to English Masses and English music. I can’t even hum, but I did enjoy listening to the Latin music, especially Gregorian chant. When they switched to English, they dropped all the Latin and rushed in guitars and some pretty awful music. Lucia posted a link that explained what happened, but I no longer have it.
In my opinion, the Catholic Church in America has never fully recovered from that mess. It has been refreshing to hear Italian and Latin music from Vatican Masses. I must admit, though, those choirs are not your run-of-the-mill choirs. Did you listen to some of the music I linked above? What did you think of it? https://www.youtube.com/live/av8sOzsvR6Q?si=GVJrO9tWgTVTHewt
US oil sanctions are starting to hurt Russia’s economy; I’ve seen a number of references to it like this one:
“Russian oil prices continue to plunge under the pressure of U.S. sanctions that have disrupted established export flows to India and China.
The price of Urals crude shipped from the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk fell to $34.52 per barrel as of Dec. 16, roughly half the level at the start of the year, the RBC news website reported, citing data from Argus Media.” https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/12/19/russian-oil-prices-sink-below-35-per-barrel-a91496
I read an interesting article today which pointed out that most people don’t actually think through and decide their personal positions on policy questions, but rather adopt the ‘accepted positions’ of their identity group, without question. If you know a person’s position on, for example, climate change, you can predict with near certainty what they will think on illegal immigration, nuclear power, foreign policy, ‘gender affirmation surgery’, welfare, electric cars, DEI, abortion, ‘voting rights’, birthright citizenship, the legitimacy of the electoral college and of the US Senate, and many more.
One might imagine that abortion and nuclear power are not related policy questions, but the correlation (and predictive capacity) between the two is nearly perfect (and in this case, negatively correlated). Seems to me tribalism at its very worst.
Steve,
I don’t have the bandwidth right now to take up that gage, but is it possible that worldview correlates with philosophical convictions, and that worldview allows one to predict the answer to those questions?
It could be tribalism too. It may (or it may not) amuse you to hear that, to the best of my ability to recall and to the best of my understanding, Joshua would agree with you (tribalism) and disagree with me. 😉 IIRC, further evidence lies in the (alleged or putative) fact that political groups swap positions on issues from time to time. Take conservatives for instance. We used to be free market fundamentalists until Trump.
It could be a mixture of both things, tribalism and philosophical convictions. Actually, it probably is a mixture of these two things and likely several others I’m not considering at all.
These people sat down a group of people in the same room using the Instacart grocery shopping app and they ended up with a bunch of different prices for the same items. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osxr7xSxsGo
The online apps / grocery stores are apparently constantly running pricing algorithms such that your bill may vary by a couple percentage points at any time. When asked they were not transparent on what was happening and how they controlled who got what prices.
The take in this video is “capitalist conspiracy” (Lina Khan, ha ha) but it is interesting none the less. Probably closer to a grocery / stock market analogy.
There is a lot going on with tribalism. It is definitely true people tend to hold the same disparate policy views based on red / blue sorting without some grand unifying theory.
Some of it is just that after a tribe is chosen based on things that are personally important they simply adopt other less important tribal positions in order to reduce conflict. As we have seen there are hordes of petty tribal enforcers out there hunting down the non-pure.
Ideological bubbles of information, trusted sources, etc.
mark bofill wrote: “It could be a mixture of both things, tribalism and philosophical convictions. Actually, it probably is a mixture of these two things and likely several others I’m not considering at all.”
No doubt both tribe and philosophy matter. And there is surely quite a bit of correlation between the two. My guess is that tribe becomes more important the less a person knows or has thought about an issue.
Another factor is pragmatism. My guess is that support for Trump’s tariffs is increasing as the predicted horrible consequences fail to materialize. And support should increase more if the tariffs start producing positive results.
I suspect that support in DC for the National Guard on the streets is higher now than just before they were deployed.
People like stuff that works. I’d bet that most people care a lot more about what works (at least when it affects them) than they do about political philosophy. But fewer people will put what what works above tribe, especially if their tribe is Orange Man Bad.
Russell
When they switched to English, they dropped all the Latin and rushed in guitars and some pretty awful music. Lucia posted a link that explained what happened, but I no longer have it.
This was the problem. All the really old stuff was good. But “Eat this body drink this blood, and we’ll sing a song of love, Halleluh. Halleluh. Halleluh. Hallelu-u-ya” was not so great.
If you can’t create a tech industry just use your regulatory authority to abscond their profits.
These are just a couple in a constant stream of this BS over the past decade. At least we got an iPhone with a USB port out of it and perhaps they forced RCS adoption in messaging. The US government may need to step in because this is out of control, it is just taxation in disguise. Some of these abuses are legit but the scope of the fines seems excessive.
“The US government may need to step in because this is out of control, it is just taxation in disguise.”
The Trump administration will for certain step in. They could do it quietly…. mention how Germany sure does export a lot of cars to the US market…. or using Trump’s typical bull-in-the-china-shop approach. Either way, those who are confiscating money from US tech firms will get the message and back off. At least until some ‘world-wide-totalitarian’ Democrat like Hillary is elected president.
Mark Bofill,
Sure, sometimes positions evolve; after all, climate wing-nut Bill Gates backed off his end of the world rhetoric. But it is uncommon. (Maybe Gates finally, decades late, realized his hysterical rhetoric was causing more harm than good!)
When this sort of thing happens, the rest of the tribe always turns on the apostate as surely as any good Muslim would turn on an apostate. Which points out, I guess, how “packaged belief systems” often resemble religious conviction.
Have strident tribal politics supplanted religion for many? I suspect so.
Mike M,
I agree that the less somebody knows, the more likely they are to adopt beliefs favored by their ‘tribe’. I mean, how many sophomores studying intersectional race theory really know enough about nuclear power to hold a rational, defensible opposition? I suggest the number is close to zero. Parroting the tribe’s position is easy, and safe.
One of the terrible things about ‘tribal’ beliefs is that violating the norms of the tribe is a very scary prospect; convincing someone they are factually mistaken about what the ‘tribe’ believes becomes essentially impossible.
Steve,
Have strident tribal politics supplanted religion for many? I suspect so.
You might be on to something there. It’s hard for me to be confident I can quickly and casually assess the complete complex ‘shape’ religion assumes in different people’s lives to evaluate how well politics might replace it, but at least in some ways what you are saying seems intuitive.
Mike,
I agree with your observations.
Bill Gate’s reversal and AI’s requirements for ginormous amounts of power may be correlated for a reason.
“Trump unveils new class of warship named after himself”
…. And it’s going to have escalators instead of ladders and all the fixtures will be gold plated.
Seriously though, I think this is a mistake. He wants big battleships in an era when tiny drones are wreaking havoc in the air and on the sea.
This is Trump’s justification for his TRUMP battleship plan:
“America’s battleships have always been unmistakable symbols of national power. They’ll help maintain American military supremacy, revive the American shipbuilding industry, & inspire fear in America’s enemies all over the world.”
look at the reasons to justify building these…
Symbols of national power
Revived the ship building industry
Inspire fear
….. nowhere does it say “win battles”!
Russell,
Yeah. I’m not sure what the use case would be for such a ship. Target practice, perhaps…
Gemini tells me the Marines have been complaining about the retirement of battleships since the 90s.
Naval Surface Fire Support (NSFS)
Since the retirement of the Iowa-class battleships in the early 1990s, the U.S. Marine Corps has consistently argued that they lack sufficient fire support for amphibious landings. Missiles are too expensive ($1M+ each) to use for suppressing beach bunkers or clearing infantry, and aircraft can be denied by enemy air defenses.
Shrug.
On the Ukraine Russian war negotiations….
The current battle line lies along eastern Ukraine, which is near the midpoint of the North European Plain. A cease-fire line through eastern Ukraine leaves both sides vulnerable to attack.
The North European Plain has been a channel of invasion for centuries. Russia needs to be sure that Europe can’t use it to rush its tanks across the plain into Russia conversely, Europe needs to be sure that Russia can’t rush its tanks across the plain into Europe.
So security guarantees are the name of the game in negotiations right now. Europe is hellbent on providing Ukraine with security guarantees that would protect Ukraine and Europe against Russian invasion. I see no way to give Russia security guarantees in any agreement, so the stalemate will continue.
The geography of the flat expanse of the North European Plain, from Grok:
East–West extent
2,500 miles
(Northern France ? western Russia)
North–South extent
400–500 miles
(North Sea/Baltic coast ? Central European uplands)
Total area
1.6 to 1.8 million square miles
For comparison, that’s about half the size of the contiguous United States.
Mark, Your post:
“Gemini tells me the Marines have been complaining about the retirement of battleships since the 90s.”
Tell the Marines war has changed a lot since the 1990s…. And it’s been three quarters of a century since they needed firepower before a landing.
Trump’s relentless marketing gets on my nerves. I mean “Trump class battleships” and “Golden Fleet”? Really? OTOH, like most of Trump’s annoying stuff, it really does not matter.
As Russell and Mark say, the real issue is whether battleships are really a good idea in the 21st century. I thought they were obsolete, but technological advances can counter new threats as well as creating new threats. So maybe not. The Hegseth DoW is supposedly all in on drones, so it is not like they are stuck in the past.
I would be much more worried if we had a military-industrial complex that treated defense spending as a way to make money off the taxpayer rather than providing for national defense.
Oh. Wait …
A lot of Navy ships are mostly missile carriers now. The big innovation was a standardized launch tube that gets continuously upgraded with new stuff. A container ship for missiles. Some recent designs on the board have a ship basically tow a missile barge or the missile barge can move autonomously.
I’m a bit suspect of the US Navy’s survivability against a full out attack from China. 200 missiles at a time? 2000 missiles? I’m guessing they will not get too close to the shore in a Taiwan engagement. One thing for sure is it probably will be a crazy first day in an all out war there.
However for the current use of low end engagements against lesser foes it is a great tool.
Don’t forget the submarines. I believe the US still has a distinct advantage here.
In defense of the need for Naval Surface Fire Support: Yes, the war in Ukraine has taught us that warfare has changed. But it has also taught us that artillery still matters. A lot. That is in contrast to NATO doctrine of the last few decades. So maybe there is still a need for battleships.
Mike,
Again, I agree. Maybe the more general lesson that Ukraine teaches us is that cheap weapons in bulk have value, and in attrition situations the missiles run out fast.
Obviously the battleships won’t be cheap or in bulk, but the artillery shells they will fire will be, relatively speaking.
FWIW, I thought I read these things would also hold a goodly supply of missiles as well. Shrug.
it’s another BBB…
Big Beautiful Battleship
Pricing:
Guy walks into a camera store in Tokyo and wants best price on Nikon F. He gets one and then says he’s going to check around. He’s back an hour later and asks for the Nikon at the price quoted.
Shop owner now quotes new price. Why?
“You’re back so my price must have been lowest but that was then and now I know I can charge more.”
Our experience with cost of a specific airline flight is that it will never be as low as the first time you check, unless you take a chance that seats will be available day before.
When we were selling Sun Microsystems Equipment in Miami, we sold a fairly large (for the time) system to Royal Carribean Cruise Lines. They had hired guys from American Airlines to set up a “Yield Management” system which would track reservations starting a year in advance of a cruise and then compare sales to previous experience, sales on other similar cruises etc. The cost variable in addition to price of a cruise was the amount of promotion needed to increase “Yield”
I learned a lot from this. You can really sell a lot of cruises in Omaha in January, for some reason.
Then there’s the shirts. One of Jan’s uber-liberal, nay communist, classmates used to bitch that women paid almost 50% more for a shirt then men. I was ready for this having dated a woman who ran the “returns” department at the big department store. It’s simple, she said, “men never return shirts, women do all the time”.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find that the shoppers who got different prices in the example above break down into price-checkers and people who just pay what’s asked. Sellers know who doesn’t care enough about what something costs and will pay the first number presented.
Lastly, I buy a whole lot of stuff from Amazon, even salami, chili, but mostly tools. I just got a filament drier for one of my printers. There were six of the same machine on offer at the top of the Amazon page, with $119 for four of them with vaying delivery dates inlcuding overnight- same price, but then there were a couple for $138 and one for $168 with no detectable difference in the deal. I have no idea why they do this.
mark bofill wrote: “cheap weapons in bulk have value”.
Yep. Stalin called artillery “the god of war”. He also said that “quantity has a quality all its own”. There is a lot of truth in that.
But I also am under the impression that the new battleships will be mainly missile launchers. So maybe they are not about Naval Surface Fire Support. And maybe they are about the military-industrial complex bleeding the taxpayers.
Hiding the pill in the cat’s food.
In a Vanity Fair interview, Wiles said of Trump and the Epstein materials: “[Trump] is in the file. And we know he’s in the file. And he’s not in the file doing anything awful.”
Here’s what was going on . First, of course, wiles knew everything she said except for a couple of things agreed upon to be off the record, would be on the record.
She then shared all manner of not so nice things about her current situation and the players in it.
But nothing reaally terrible. Now if she’d had Steven Miller singing Mairzy Doats in the shower, maybe that would have meant something, but no, not even that.
All of this was the cat food to establish credibility. Obviously she wanted to be trusted by the public to call a spade a spade, or at least some sort of excavation device.
So having demonstrated her reliability, she opines the above statement that there is nothing in the files (all hundreds of thousands of them) that shows that Trump did anything really bad. But then there was the crack that amounted to “boys will be boys.”
And of course some people, including the sceptics will chomp down on the “nothing really bad” pill because all the rest of thee cat food seemed legit.
Oh, come on.
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John,
I might buy that. The question remains though, if “nothing really bad” isn’t justified, if this whole thing is a cover for “something really bad”, why didn’t Biden’s administration make use of it against Trump?
Hint: Superior moral fiber is not an acceptable answer to this question…
My answer — that Biden didn’t use this to torpedo Trump is all the evidence I require that Trump cannot in fact *be* torpedoed via Epstein, e.g., there is “nothing really bad” in there with respect to Trump.
Strangely enough, we all pretty much know going in more than we ever wanted to know about Trump’s sex life via Stormy Daniels. I doubt he likes his women young, but it’s not virtue, it’s just not his particular brand of perversion. None of this really has much of anything to do with anything. Bill “I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton was a relatively good president regardless of the fact that he didn’t seem able to keep it in his pants, and regardless of the fact that he seems abundantly present in Epstein Pleasure Island photography.
Mark,
Why not Biden? Clinton.
Why would you expect Biden to suddenly do anything intelligent.
or for that matter for Suzie Wiles to suddenly do somthing stupid?
John,
I don’t credit the absurd rumors and conspiracy theories that have been floating around for years that Hillary was having people assassinated. Given that, I doubt Biden gave a hoot what releasing information would do to the Clintons.
Biden was senile in the end, but his handlers were not, and IMO they would not have passed on the opportunity to destroy a political opponent. They were highly motivated IMO to stop Trump by whatever means were available.
Until the DOJ releases photos of Trump misbehaving with an underage girl, progressives will say that the DOJ is hiding evidence. There is nothing else that will put this to rest other than the DOJ crucifying Trump.
Mark,
With SteveF, I “loathe” Hillary and also don’t believe the nonsense about her “assasinations”
Since it appears that many of the Epstein’ clients were “important” Democrats, I don’t find it at all strange that Biden, or his associates would have let sleeping dogs lie. At this point we can only rely on the list compiled by the guy who phoned every single number on Epstein’s phone list.
I stand by my theory that the Suzie Wiles interivews were not business as usual from the Trump point of view. It’s a very clever scheme. I’d love to know whothught of it. Maybe Suzie herself?
Trump cut ties with Epstein over 20 years ago, well before Epstein got in trouble with the law. There is no reason to believe that Trump did anything improper. The absence of evidence is strong evidence to the contrary.
Actually, there is no reason to believe that anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell committed crimes. There is no evidence that Epstein shared with his friends and again the absence of evidence is evidence to the contrary.
There may be evidence that some people continued to associate with Epstein after he was a convicted slimemball. Nothing criminal, but that will deservedly damage reputations.
Since Wiles sat for multiple sessions with Vanity Fair, I don’t see how it could have been a mistake. There must have been some purpose to it, but I can’t see it.
That said, John Ferguson’s conspiracy theory is just bonkers.
They could have just revealed stuff on Trump and redacted everything else. Nobody would have blinked at the redactions.
Mike M.
Did I suggest that the Wiles/Vanity Fair interviews were a mistake? They had to be intentional and if so why were they done? I can’t imagine that it was done without Trump’s permission and it’s clear from the photographs that the staff knw about it. So why?
You write about evidence, but how can you have any idea what evidence exists or doesn’t? Sure, a lot of this is pretty evident, but at this point we don’t really have much of the story. Do you think we do?
“Bonkers” that it may be, I’m sticking with my pill in the catfood theory.
There’s also merit in the “Briar Patch” theory where Trump is appearing to fight this thing tooth and nail so he can see, “See, I told you this was nonsense.” Although that doesn’t seem to square with all his “requests” that they become public.
For those who never read “Brer Rabbit” the idea is that the Rabbit has been caught by the fox and screams “You can do anything you want with me, but don’t throw me in the briar Patch!” Which is exactly what he hopes the Fox will do. And he does.
John,
FWIW, I don’t think your ‘conspiracy theory’ is bonkers. I just (a) think it’s wrong, and (b) don’t think I’d much care if it were true.
I think by Occam’s razor, the simplest explanation is most likely true. Biden didn’t release any information implicating Trump because there isn’t any. As mentioned previously, I fail to see why Team Biden couldn’t have redacted what they want hidden and released only information incriminating Trump, if they had such information.
But I will just go ahead and say this. If it turned out to be the case that Trump banged some teeny bopper on Lolita Island, I don’t care at this point. I care exactly as much about that as I do about finding out if Clinton did it and bringing Clinton to justice. Zero!
Mark,
I think your view of why Biden didn’t do anything is the most likely.
I doubt if any politician could survive compelling evidence that he’d fooled around with under-age girls. As to what Epstein was doing, it’s hard to imagine that there aren’t dozens of guys who did that withe the many girls he appears to have employed. There are also reports that he’d had a lot of this videotaped.
But we still need a reason for the Vanity Fair interviews. Apparently when there’s a change in administration, there is a party with the new Chief of Staff and as many previous chiefs as want to come, and apparently when it was Suzie’s turn, a half dozen of them did. And she was advised whatever she did not to talk to Whipple. And then she did.
Another take on this would be that Trump thought this was a good way to be “transparent” and that of his staff members, she was one who wouldn’t say anything stupid. And she didn’t.
She got played. It’s not that mysterious. It happens. She became a little too full of herself and exercised poor judgment.
Also John,
I doubt if any politician could survive compelling evidence that he’d fooled around with under-age girls.
I know. I ‘get’ that the only reason Democrats are interested in this is that they think (STILL) that they are going to remove Trump from office, notwithstanding all of the pious words we hear when convenient about how Democracy must be preserved at all costs.
Knock yourselves out.
mark,
“too full of herself” is a more likely reason, although Trump did have to go along with it.
john ferguson,
Maybe I misunderstand you. Your theory seems to be this:
(1) Various “news” organizations are willing to spend hundreds (or thousands) of staff hours going through the Epstein files hoping to find something they can use against Trump. That much makes sense.
(2) If Wiles says that there is nothing there and also says some stuff that seems true, then those news organizations will decide that going through he files is a waste of time and won’t bother. That part is bonkers.
What am I missing?
john ferguson wrote: ” As to what Epstein was doing, it’s hard to imagine that there aren’t dozens of guys who did that withe the many girls he appears to have employed.”
If so, they why have we heard no names? Many of the victims keep demanding a list be released and threatening to compile their own list. But they have not done so. Why? Because the list would have zero names on it other than Jeffry Epstain.
Russell Klier wrote: “Until the DOJ releases photos of Trump misbehaving with an underage girl, progressives will say that the DOJ is hiding evidence.”
That is what is really going on.
There are 3 reasons to believe that the Epstein files are just a media mirage.
1. Trump
2. Russia
3. Collusion
Fool me once …
If the Democrats had dirt on Trump they would have leaked it before the election, you know, the election that would define the future of democracy, and the one where they pulled out all stops in a by any means necessary lawfare campaign. Yeah, they would have withheld this because of their morals, LOL.
This entire exercise of guilt by association and guilt by mere accusation is why the justice department doesn’t normally release this kind of stuff. It’s unethical. If you can’t charge somebody, then you shouldn’t release the info.
Witnesses and victims are free to go public. What you don’t do is give false credibility to an accusation by attaching it to the justice department.
The Delaware Supreme Court overruled the crazy judges who withheld Musk’s $50B pay package. It is now worth $139B.
When Tesla put Mr. Musk’s package up for another vote, 72% approved it. The judge dismissed the second vote and ruled the package violated the state’s vague “fairness standard.” Tesla was worth about $50 billion in 2018. It’s now worth some $1.5 trillion. How did shareholders get a raw deal?
The company Trump Media announced this Thursday its merger with TAE Technologies, a firm specializing in nuclear fusion energy, in a deal valued at more than $6 billion.
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Were we wrong?
Is it a giant boondoggle?
A bubble waiting to burst.
Good questions John. I thought the technology was dead a long time ago.
Mike M.
Your theory that the Wiles assertion was aimed at the news media is a good one, but it’s not mine. I hadn’t thought of it. I had thought it was aimed at the general public. After all, the media has lost a lot of credibilitym over the last 30 years and if the public can be convinced that Trump did nothing really terrible, maybe anything the media reveals will be ignored.
Maybe Trump/Wiles were thinking something like that.
And, yes, I’m way out in the weeds on this one.
Mike M.
Heard no names? Summers, Clinton, Wexner, Minsky, Gates, on and on.
What we haven’t seen is any evidence or even assertion that they did anything naughty.
What I’m looking forward to is the release, if it ever happens, of Epstein’s banking records. That would reveal whether he was running a blackmail operation as is alledged, or just an effective investor.
Mike M,
“Because the list would have zero names on it other than Jeffry Epstain.”
I doubt that. Bill Clinton and (former) Prince Andrew would almost certainly appear as well.
But in fairness to those two (and no doubt others), they could credibly deny knowing a specific woman was under age. Like Mark Bofill, I will stipulate that Clinton was (and no doubt is still!) capable of most any misdeed with his pants off, but was still a pretty good president, and far more competent than Carter, Bush the younger, Biden, and Obama.
BTW, I think the accepted name is “Epstein’s Lolita Island”. 😉
john ferguson wrote: “if the public can be convinced that Trump did nothing really terrible, maybe anything the media reveals will be ignored. ”
OK, that is not bonkers. But I think it totally unrealistic. Most of the public is unaware of what is in the Vanity Fair hit piece unless it is one of the morsels being trumpeted. I don’t think the Wiles claim about the Epstein files has been one of those morsels. But even if it was getting attention, I doubt it would matter. Half the public already believes Trump did nothing wrong and the other half won’t believe it, no matter what Wiles says.
john ferguson wrote: “What we haven’t seen is any evidence or even assertion that they did anything naughty.”
That is what I said. We have no names of anyone other than Epstein who was involved with his underage girls. Of course, we have lots of names of people who were friendly with Epstein. But that is different from what is being claimed.
I doubt that Epstein’s bank records will provide any evidence of blackmail. In the unlikely event such payments ere made, they would have been in cash and suitably laundered,
angech,
“Is it a giant boondoggle?
A bubble waiting to burst.”
Yes to the first. Especially to any extent taxpayers get involved. The fusion technology that company proposes is so far out there that commercialization is way out of reach…. certainly now and likely forever. I think of it as mainly a way to extract investments from extremely wealthy people who can afford to bet on a <1% chance of ever getting a return.
Fission is easy. Fusion is a thousand (million?) times more difficult. The technology of fusion is very hard, and the economics even harder. I suspect nobody commenting here will live to see commercial fusion power, and certainly not fusion power which justifies the required investment.
Bubble? Don't think so. A "bubble" requires widespread imprudent investment in something that is real (the internet bubble, the 2007 housing bubble, the tulip bubble, etc). Fusion investment is just not that widespread. And it is a lot less 'real' than tulips.
Mike M.
At the same time we apparently do have evidence that Epstein was “marshalling” dozens of young girls through both his NY Manse and Lolita Island. It also appears from the internal DOJ documents released in the lastr few days, that DOJ during the twilifght of the Biden regime were pursuing prosecution of other “co-conspirators” , an interesting term. Ghislaine apparently had helpers, but the addressees of the papers the DOJ served and tried to serve would seem to have been more “clients” of this enterprise.
I think I concur with you that nothing is likely to come of any of this, unless Epstein’s estate opens up with stuff DOJ hasn’t seen. And I think that unlikely as well.
Commercial fusion is like Santa Claus in that I really want it to be real, but with the added twist to the knife that it *could* and *probably will* be real someday.
As you say, likely not within our lifetimes. I don’t believe we’re past practical break even in the lab, and until we get there there won’t be successful commercial installations.
30 years from today, forever..
john ferguson,
Thanks for the link to that article.
What I find most strange is the apparent gullibility of elected officials, who seem incapable of separating plausible claims about fusion power from utter lunacy. And it is not just in fusion power; boondoggles seem linked at the hip to any form of impractically expensive energy production. Of course, it may be that politicians can never turn down a good boondoggle.
The Ivanpah solar facility was underwritten by (can you guess?) the federal taxpayer: “The United States government provided a $1.6 billion loan guarantee and the plant is built on federal land.” This in spite of any half competent student in an introductory thermodynamics class being able to show that the entire idea was crazy. The good news: the plant is being shut down because it constantly loses money. The bad news: the same location is planned to be converted to another boondoggle, using standard solar panels, for which I am quite certain the taxpayers (and electricity consumers) will be on the hook.
SteveF,
One of Jassby’s earlier paper itemizes the (known at the time) challenges which had to be overcome to make one of these things work. I cannot be sure if he’d gone into detail about being skeptical of the cost/kilowatt hour of any system which required tritium.
So far, no system which showed a net gain for even a micro-second included the energy costs of making the fuel, and any number of other things.
One of the things which I worry about is that despite having a number of very bright techincal people in Congress, like IMO Mark Warner, these things go on and on.
Maybe it’s where no-one wants to be the guy who said “Man will never fly”
The real-world cost for a stand-alone residential solar system (including batteries!) seems roughly equivalent to utility power at about $0.30 per KWH. Which means there are some places where “completely off-grid” solar is becoming competitive with utility power. (Florida is not one of those places.)
Where residential solar starts to make economic sense is almost only where state governments have raised consumer electric rates to support solar and wind generation. I guess that is not too much of a surprise.
Solar panels are cheap, but the installation racks / mounts, inverters, etc. about double the install material cost. Depending on where you live and your level of expertise you can do DIY but it turns out there is a bit of a regulatory maze to connect to the grid as the utility company requires drawings to be signed off by a professional engineer and also a $1M residential umbrella insurance policy to protect their workers.
Because of this complexity some people hire professional installers that double the cost again. The solar installation industry is full of shysters (they REALLY want to sell you a crappy lease) and bankruptcy is common making warranties worthless.
Want to install a new roof? The cost to remove and reinstall the panels is pretty high if not DIY. So you pull the trigger for solar when you put on a new roof.
Technically in Florida the mounts need to have a wind pressure rating. The HOA can make “reasonable” restrictions but cannot tell you you can’t install.
If you want to really go off grid then the battery storage cost is high if you don’t want to deal with occasional outages with cloudy weather.
Selling the power back to the utility is threatened by the utilities wanting to credit you wholesale power rates instead of retail rates. They also now charge a minimum base rate ($30 / month where I live).
A lightning strike can cost you thousands that the power company fixes for free.
Those are most of the hidden costs but given all those it is still almost viable for a hobbyist if you like the science project part of it. The true cost calculation needs to include the investment opportunity cost of the solar investment.
My final conclusion was not yet worth it but close enough that if you are doing it for fun then it will likely at least be break even.
Tom Scharf,
The DIY cost is equivalent to more like $0.15 per KWH…. so still not worth it for me (close to the ultimate DIYer!). But if you are a DYIer in S. California, and are willing to cut the utility cord, stand-alone solar is much cheaper than insane California utility rates, which will only become more insane as the People’s Republic continues to insist nuclear and natural gas generation are as bad as Donald Trump.
I should have noted above: the Ivanpah solar generation station loses money at $0.21 per KWH guaranteed purchase price, which gives us some idea just how economically stupid the entire project was. The fully loaded cost to generate power with natural gas is in the range of $0.05 per KWH, and nuclear is in the range of $0.10 per KWH. Stopping green madness is really important for all of humanity, but especially for the poorest of the poor in Africa.
California has gone completely off the rails. New laws kicking in are forcing major oil companies to flee the state. One of them is writing off a $3B investment to flee.
Over the next several months California looses 20% of its refinery output to closures. Combined with hundreds of independent gas stations closing after January 1 due to not being able to upgrade their single wall tanks to double wall, price at the pump will skyrocket.
Leaving the state is not a viable solution due to family. I soooo look forward to the long lines at the few stations that have fuel. I have such fond memories of the same situation in the 1970’s.
Ed Forbes,
You are always free to leave. 😉
I’ll know California has a future when people with pitch forks are storming the governor’s mansion. Until then, no real future.
Random thoughts from Christmas Eve…
It doesn’t feel like Christmas in Florida. It’s 78°F on my porch, and I have the house wide open. I was in the pool earlier—it was refreshing, but not painfully cold.
I bought myself a Christmas present: a blue checkmark on X.
I snagged a 40% off deal, so it cost just $50 for the year. It also gives me Premium-level access on Grok as an added bonus.
Thanks Steve F and JF re comment and article on nuclear fusion.
Interesting to see Trump being sold a wheeze instead of selling a wheeze. Losing his touch?
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Deep state has some wins recently.
Need clarity on the tariffs and a Putin concession as my New Year gifts.
Might be waiting a while
Happy Xmas all
I wish everyone a very merry Christmas eve!
John Ferguson,
“One of the things which I worry about is that despite having a number of very bright techincal people in Congress,”
Either 1) they are not that bright, or
2) no politician can turn down a good boondoggle.
I went to the twins house and drank too much! Merry X-mas!
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night….. I lost a night’s sleep with an overnight flight.
Merry Christmas!
Money wars, DNC vs RNC….
Current Cash on Hand and Debt Levels
As of late 2025 (most recent reports from October/November 2025 FEC filings):
• RNC:
• Cash on hand: Approximately $86–91 million (e.g., $86 million at end of September, rising to $91.2 million entering November).
• Debt: $0 (no reported debts).
• DNC:
• Cash on hand: Approximately $18.3 million (entering November).
• Debt: $15 million (from a line of credit/loan taken in October 2025 to cover operations and investments in down-ballot races).
• Effective net cash (after debt): Around $3 million.
Fundraising (Income/Receipts) in 2025
As of the latest available data from mid-to-late 2025 (primarily through October/November filings and reports):
• The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly outpaced the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in fundraising.
• Through the first half of 2025 (January–June), the RNC raised over $96 million, while the DNC raised about $69 million.
• Broader party committees (including congressional arms): Republicans raised a cumulative $319 million (as of October 31, 2025), compared to Democrats’ $289 million.
All Data from Grok
Merry Christmas to each of you, To Lucia for hosting these wonderful discussions, for everyone’s patience with my digital dyslexia, and for the effort you put into showing me where I’ve got it wrong.
The Ukrainians didn’t take Christmas off, they destroyed a Russian LNG port facility. I have posted a copy of the NASA fire map of the area and Google aerial map from before the attack: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2004219260487586074?s=20
“Ukrainian UAVs struck the LNG port of Temryuk, Krasnodar region, in Russia last night. NASA Firms maps confirm that a huge fire is raging at the port facilities.
The port is the primary terminal for LNG transfer in Southern Russia.”
Merry Christmas to All! Another year marginally smarter and more marginally dumber.
John,
…for the effort you put into showing me where I’ve got it wrong.
Likewise!
Court dockets and archived complaint text show a 2016 civil case brought by a plaintiff using the name Katie Johnson (and sometimes “Jane Doe”) accusing Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump of raping a 13?year?old in 1994; the complaint and related documents include sworn statements and an asserted corroborating witness identified in the filings as “Tiffany Doe” [6] [2]. The docket entries and downloads of the complaint are publicly accessible through legal?document sites such as CourtListener and archive repositories [6] [2].
According to reporting that summarized the filings, the complaint alleged Epstein raped the girl and forced her to have sex with Trump on multiple occasions in New York and Florida; the complaint cited testimony from an anonymous witness who, the filing said, corroborated the allegations [3] [1]
PBS recapped multiple assault allegations against Trump and explicitly connected “Jane Doe” to the Katie Johnson name used in papers, noting the suit was filed and later dropped.
Available sources do not offer court judgments finding the factual allegations in the Johnson complaint to be true or false; they show filings, assertions of witness testimony, and journalistic efforts to corroborate or question aspects of the narrative, but no public criminal conviction or definitive adjudication tied to the Katie Johnson complaint is contained in these documents [6] [2] [3].
Thomas, do you know what PBS refers to in the above post?
Thomas,
YOUR POST IS HOGWASH.
It is a regurgitation of a hoax that surfaced in the 2016 presidential campaign.
I expect better from you.
Grok:
“In summary, while the lawsuits were real and generated significant media attention during the 2016 election, they were never substantiated, and the story is widely viewed as lacking credible support.”
Thomas Fuller,
Credible evidence of statutory rape (13 YO?!?!) would always lead to charges. Did you know Hillary ran a child abuse ring from a pizza restaurant.
Russell Klier wrote: “It is a regurgitation of a hoax that surfaced in the 2016 presidential campaign.”
That sounds right. The statute of limitations for a civil case would have been long expired in 2016. But a criminal case could still go forward since NY has no statute of limitations on rape. So why did they file a pointless civil suit rather than make a criminal complaint? No doubt because the purpose was publicity and false criminal complaints have real penalties.
For John and us other materials science geeks…
A recent article in Nature details new findings on the chemical make up of Roman concrete and why it lasted so long.
I had Grok summarize the self healing property:
“Self-Healing Process”
When cracks form (due to stress, earthquakes, or weathering):
1. Cracks preferentially travel through these brittle lime clasts (due to their nanoparticulate structure and high surface area).
2. Water ingress dissolves calcium from the exposed clasts, creating a calcium-saturated solution.
3. This solution reacts with atmospheric CO? or pozzolanic materials, precipitating calcium carbonate (calcite or aragonite) and sometimes amorphous C-A-S-H phases.
4. These minerals recrystallize, filling cracks and pores—effectively sealing them and restoring structural integrity.
Believe anything negative about Trump? Completely absent evidence? I must conclude Mr. Fuller has totally lost it. YMMV.
Mike M.
Without offering any opinion on the validity of the suit on my part:
Current New York Civil Time Limits
For most adult sexual assault and rape civil claims arising from incidents after the 2019 reforms, New York now allows up to 20 years from the date of certain felony?level sexual offenses (including many rape charges) to file a civil suit under CPLR § 213?c.
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Before these reforms, many adult civil sexual assault claims (including rape) had only 1–3 years to sue, and those older deadlines can still bar claims if no special “lookback” law applies.
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For childhood sexual abuse, survivors may generally bring civil claims until age 55 under the Child Victims Act, regardless of how long ago the abuse occurred.
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It looks like the Child Victims Act went into effect in 2019, so not relevant to the 2016 accusations.
good catch MIke M.
Used AI again to write a stand alone database upgrade utility for a client. It reduced my overall effort by probably 75%. Should I bill my client for AI’s time? Ha ha.
It needed a few further prompts to get it close to releasable before the human took over but telling it exactly what you want with specificity looks to be the number one skill here.
The AI code filled in some gaps without asking based on some database field names which was both amazing and distressing (please ask for guidance, AI!). There were a few things I had to adjust that would have taken too much effort to explain so I just filled in the gaps.
You realistically have to review every line of code at this point so you also need to skill of reading other people’s code. The AI hasn’t tried to be overly clever yet thankfully.
Most useful programming tool since about … forever. Watching it do this is what flipped me away from AI skepticism.
Should I bill my client for AI’s time? Ha ha.
Ahhh… billable hours! 🙂
Of course, what you “should” do depends on your contract. But if this is consistent, you might need to change how you bill. 🙂
The California High-Speed Rail Authority, which filed the lawsuit in July, said the decision to abandon it reflected the state’s “assessment that the federal government is not a reliable, constructive, or trustworthy partner in advancing high-speed rail in California.”
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California Governor Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, said in July that termination of the grants by the administration of Republican President Donald Trump amounted to “petty, political retribution, motivated by President Trump’s personal animus toward California and the high-speed rail project, not the facts on the ground.”
… (ahem)
Originally planned for completion by 2020 at a cost of $33 billion, the project is now forecast to cost between $89 billion and $128 billion, with service now expected to start by 2033.
And that is just for a segment that doesn’t connect population centers. CA is likely just waiting for a Democrat administration to restore their wasteful ways.
In the Bahamas for a few days….. an island where we often docked our boat for a night or two (a marina/resort on Green Turtle Cay).
While in the past we would worry about an available slip for our boat, this year the place is essentially empty…..
Why? Because the Bahamian government thought it would be a good idea to boost entry fees for any non-Bahamian vessel. What used to cost under $300 in 2024 is now $1650 (including the right to fish and anchor). While you could re-enter in the past within a year for the same fee, you must now pay an added $650 for the right to anchor and fish with each entry.
The Bahamian economy depends on tourism, and especially boat tourism away from the few big airline supported tourism cities. The government has strangled the economy for every smaller town in the Bahamas. Crazy.
Tom Scharf,
“And that is just for a segment that doesn’t connect population centers.”
The Florida “Brightline” “high speed” service between Miami and Orlando is losing a huge amount of money every month. Why? Because it is stupid. Its service is neither wanted nor needed. You can rent a car at Miami airport and drive 4- 6 people to Orlando in about the same time and for lower cost than the Brightline service. If you rent a car, then when you get to Orlando, you have a car available…. kind of important if you know Orlando.
Brightline will eventually fold, something I have predicted from the day it was proposed. At least it wasted private funds instead of taxpayer funds.
Tom Scharf,
There are no pictures on the scorecard. If the code works, then it is useful code.
Of course, the widespread availability of AI assistance will likely reduce the cost of coding in the long term. But make hay while the sun shines.
Heck, soon you may not be needed at all! 😉
Ukraine’s F-16s are finally becoming a force to reckon with:
“Ukraine’s F-16s just shot down 34 of 35 Russian cruise missiles in a single night.
The secret might be new Sniper targeting pods—they let pilots hunt missiles on infrared without giving away their position.”
I have had “shelter in place” supplies for my CA home for years now due to the real possibility of both short and long term electricity shortages from CA’s insane infrastructure rules.
I have started on my “git out of Dodge” supplies to be able to relocate into New Mexico without refueling, about 1000 miles.
Nevada and Arizona get a major portion of their fuel from CA, so they will be worse off than CA when fuel supplies become restricted due to refinery shutdowns.
This planning is for worse case only. If it is only long gas lines, $8 gas, and rationing, I will sit tight. At one time, I would have considered the above to be “worse case”. Amazing how CA dreaming has changed.
Ed Forbes,
You might want to rethink your plan. Back in 2019, the Energy Transition Act became law in New Mexico. 50% “renewables” by 2030, 80% by 2040, 100% by 2045.
The one bright spot is that New Mexico has a lot fewer rich people than California. So I am hoping that New Mexicans will revolt (at the ballot box, of course) once the nonsense really starts to bite.
Mike,
NM is the end point for me to get to an area that is out of the west coast negative fuel supply bubble. Its not the end point of my possible escape from California. I have NO intention of moving to NM.. TX is at the top of my list if forced to relocate.
There has been a KC-135 Stratotanker on station south of Mar-a-Lago every time I checked for the past day or so. I don’t think it’s just because of Trump because he’s often there, but the Stratotanker is not.
I can think of two possibilities… Perhaps there is added fighter protection in the area because of Zelenskyy flying in, or perhaps it has something to do with the operation in the Caribbean.
Screenshot: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2005246122307277103?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
I don’t know if you remember, but I had mentioned in the past about the buildup of KC-135 Stratotankers at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa.
I just checked again. OSINT is reporting that 28 Stratotankers are on the ground, and now there are also two AWACS aircraft.
Image: https://x.com/globaltechtonic/status/2004687764512805245?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Mike M,
I remain amazed that New Mexico is so far loony-left. How did that come about? Why does it seem immune to political changes in the direction of sanity?
of course it could be a coincidence, but Zelinsky‘s plane arrived in Miami a few minutes ago and the USAF tanker has left the area.
Russell,
Assuming that 14 KC-135s are dispatched, do you have any idea what might be the numbers and possibly types of aircraft they could service?
If this is about Venezuela, it’s difficult to imagine what that number of planes could do.
Also, do you haver any udea what the numbers are in the AF inventory for more modern tankers compared to these antiques?
Maybe we’re going into Nigeria.
SteveF,
Prior to 2018, NM was a Democrat leaning state. From 2018 on, it has been deep blue. I have never seen an explanation of just what happened. But I have a suspicion and did a quick check of gubernatorial results for this century.
The columns below are:
Year
Party that won the election
Number of votes received by the Republican candidate
Percentage of votes received by the Republican candidate
2002 D 189K 39%
2006 D 174K 31%
2010 R 321K 53%
2014 R 293K 57% 2018 D 298K 43% Huge change.
2022 D 325K 46%
Prior to 2018, 300K votes for governor meant you won easily.
Starting with 2018, 300K votes for governor meant you lost badly.
So what happened? 2018 was the first election after Maggie Toulouse Oliver became Secretary of State. Toulouse Oliver is a nakedly political creature in the office that controls elections in the state. She has made “reforms” that make it much easier to register voters and much easier to cast ballots; both without much in the way of security.
I can’t prove it, but I suspect that the result has been a lot more illegals voting and a lot of ballot box stuffing.
Of course, 2018 was also the first election after Trump got elected. And in general the Dems have gotten very good at turning out voters, or at least ballots. What is needed is a comparison with states that actually have good election security.
John,
All good questions! I had to ask Grok for help on this one.
The phase-out of the KC-135 Stratotanker is going to be a slow process, and they will remain in service through the mid-2030s. They are still the workhorse of the USAF tanker corps. I see them deployed every time the U.S. military starts dancing.
My own guess as to why there are so many at Tampa right now…
I think it’s related to Venezuela. When they deploy, they almost always operate in groups of two or three. They remain on station for about eight hours and are then replaced with two or three more. That would suggest maybe nine in a daily rotation for a single mission. If they have multiple missions, it could well be 18.
if there’s active fighting, the tankers would be there, and they would also be deployed for refueling the C-17s carrying in the munitions
I can’t tell how much of it is ballroom vs other stuff. I’m on record that as long as this is happening, I want a huge ballroom, not just a huge building. Dance, Dance. Dance.
Lucia,
Based on drawings, it looks like the entire upper floor is a giant ball-room-banquet-hall. The lower floor is other things, including kitchen areas.
Of course, Trump seems as likely to use it for a cage fight as a ballroom dance competition. 😉
Mike M,
Having the governor’s election in non-presidential years automatically helps Dems, who, as you say, have historically had stronger get-out-the-vote efforts in mid-term elections.
One of the on-line sources I saw said the biggest change has been a big increase in Hispanic voters (combined with overwhelming support for Dem candidates). The other factor seems to be Albuquerque becoming ever more Dem leaning while growing in population. (Also due to increasing Hispanics? Donno.)
I’m forced to confess that assuming the addition to the Whitehouse is actually needed, I don’t think it’s terrible at all. I’m at a bit of a loss as to why anyone thinks the Whitehouse must be bigger than its neighbours. After all, it’s ahouse.
As to the ballroom, I think I like it.
Given Trump’s taste, the interior is likely to be gaudy, but that can be fixed eventually if people really hate it.
Call me back when the Arc de Trump commences for another, probably different professional opinion.
I’m still chuckling over Trump adding his name to a memorial. I guess he didn’t really understand it.
John Ferguson,
“I’m still chuckling over Trump adding his name to a memorial.”
Trump is exactly as graceful, in all things, as a bull in a China shop, to which he is rightly compared. I do wonder how someone could reach his late 70’s being both utterly offensive and utterly un-self aware. He will be gone in 3 years.
SteveF,
Have you seen floor plans for the ballroom wing? If so, where?
John ferguson,
I don’t think the new building was needed!
Given Trump’s taste, the interior is likely to be gaudy,
My hair, nails, spray tan will fit right in! And the rhinestone encrusted dresses!!
At least if the excuse was to have a ballroom, they are going to have one. (Well… if it gets finished. I do hope it gets finished. )
John posted:
“As to the ballroom, I think I like it.”
I certainly like the idea of a ballroom. It’s embarrassing that the United States holds state dinners in pop-up tents. I will reserve judgment on the size and appointments until I have more details. The architectural renderings that Trump is showing seem larger than I would have liked, and Trump’s taste in appointments is probably more gaudy than I would like, but we don’t have the details yet.
Since a national ballroom is a positive addition to the White House and it’s being funded with private money, it’s a go in my book. The sooner the better.
Wondering out loud…
Based on the following assertion by Grok:
“The East Wing of the White House was originally constructed in 1942 during World War II, primarily to conceal the building of an underground bunker now known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC).”
Perhaps the reason the Big Beautiful Ballroom has to be so big is that nothing can be built underground because of the emergency operations center, so all auxiliary facilities have to be built above ground on the first floor.
No, just the renderings and artist’s images. They all show the first floor used for other things and the ballroom occupying the entire (or nearly entire) second floor. If the 90,000 sq ft number is accurate, that is indeed a huge space (eg 225 x 400).
Interestingly, Trump has switched (Dec 5) to a different architect, because the original firm was ‘too small’ to move the project along at the pace Trump wanted.
SteveF
because the original firm was ‘too small’ to move the project along at the pace Trump wanted.
Sometimes, you have to change firms. But changing firms is generally a bad sign. We’ll see.
As long as we are where we are I would prefer to see this thing built to the alternative.
SteveF,
I know that the images show two floors, but I think there is also a “ground floor” that is largely hidden (except right at the south end), as is the case with the residence and West Wing.
So it looks like the ballroom will be about 100×300, for a footprint of 30K sq ft. So 90K total would mean three stories.
SteveF,
I thought the firm change was because the first architect wasn’t comfortable with increasing the size of the building as Trump’s perception of what was needed increased.
It’s also possible that first architect realized like earlier architects that he might not be paid. 😉
I don’t know how big his office is, but for the architectural work alone, it would be hard to usefuly involve more than 6 architects. Probably mechanical (HVAC and Plumbing), Civil, Electrical and Structural would be done by consultants in any case.
During my time trying to do this stuff, my best clients were engineers and the worst were real-estate developers. I suspect Trump might be the worst of those (last minute changes) but then he has a lot of experience and may have settled down by now.
John Ferguson:
“[Trump] has a lot of experience and may have settled down by now.”
Are you suggesting that Trump learns from experience? I don’t think I’ve seen evidence of that trait. He seems to just go his own way.
HaroldW,
I limit my observation to construction.
John posted:
“During my time trying to do this stuff, my best clients were engineers and the worst were real-estate developers.”
and now from my engineers perspective…
The sleezy real estate developers were ALWAYS the worst clients….. Trump maybe the sleaziest of them all.
never want to pay the engineer, always wants to disregard the regulations, wants to put 10 gallons of shit in a 5 gallon can.
Adding Trump’s name to the Kennedy Center was — in my opinion — tasteless. His endless need to brand his name on things is one of the less important reasons I find him repulsive.
Having said that, I will endure his compulsion to brand in order to get things like judges that actually understand and adhere to the written Constitution, trimming the federal workforce and expenditures, reducing the power of homo bureaucratis, telling the world that America is not the global doormat that Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden made it out to be, etc..
Every time I’ve run the numbers for solar power, even assuming I did the installation myself, it’s been about a 15-20 year ROI and that’s assuming no breakage, no equipment failures, etc. With the wind and hail we get (wind regularly, hail periodically) in the Rocky Mountains, those are bad assumptions. My mother got solar installed in her home in Hawai`i years ago but it’s only the federal and state rebates that made it financially feasible.
Hawai`i is actually a good extrema point for considering solar and electrification. Petroleum has to be shipped and refined here, adding costs that almost no other state can understand. It’s a fragile ecosystem so petrochemical leaks have more pronounced effects there (see the ongoing drama regarding the leaks at the Navy’s Red Hill fuel bunkers).
This is one of the environments where I think electric cars make sense although I worry about the toxic metals when those cars are wrecked or abandoned after years of service. A smart state government would invest in materials research to find economic ways to recover/recycle those metals from these electric cars and isolate them from environmental effects but Hawai`i hasn’t had smart state government for at least 25 years, perhaps 45.
Derek H
Adding Trump’s name to the Kennedy Center was — in my opinion — tasteless.
Yes. And so is calling the new battleships “Trump Class”. These are usually named after former presidents. Dead former presidents.
Back on engineering clients…
I found over the years that the best clients were bankers and government agencies. The reason was simple. Both of them were paying me with other people’s money.
DerekH,
I agree with you. Trump is awful on the stuff that does not matter and great on stuff that actually does matter.
lucia,
Actually, battleships are traditionally named after states. A class of ships is usually named after the first ship in the class; I don’t know if the class name is official. None of the new ships will be named after Trump, only the class.
Trump denies responsibility for “Trump class” and “Trump-Kennedy Center”. I don’t know if that is true, but it would seem to undermine silly claims that Trump is not self-aware.
Battleships are normally named after states, like Iowa or Arizona. It’s aircraft carriers that are normally named after presidents like Ford and Bush.
Trump in this case is naming the entire class of battleship as the Trump class. I think normally the new class of US Navy warship is named after the first ship in the line.
sorry, Mike, cross posted
Mike M
Actually, battleships are traditionally named after states.
I stand corrected. But it remains in bad taste for him to name it after himself.
None of the new ships will be named after Trump, only the class.,
It remains in bad taste.
Trump denies responsibility for “Trump class” and “Trump-Kennedy Center”
And perhaps that’s even technically true. But in which case, it’s in bad taste that he didn’t tell people to not name these things after him.
Apparently, it filtered up to Trump that he had no class, so …
Lucia,
“It remains in bad taste.”
Everything Trump does is, at minimum, in bad taste, and more often outright offensive. But he is quite incapable of shame, no matter how outlandish his behavior. He will be gone in three years.
John Ferguson,
LOL!
Another Trump BBB… Big Beautiful Battleship.
I reckon the Navy brass is just humoring Trump with the Trump class battleship talk.
A new class of major capital ship will take a decade to start construction and require numerous authorizations from congress. I don’t think it’s ever gonna happen and I think the Navy brass know it’s never gonna happen.
Aircraft carriers are named after all sorts of things: “Gerald Ford”, “Enterprise”, “Coral Sea”.
“Trump class battleships”? Meh.
“Trump-Kennedy Center”? Horrid.
SteveF
3 years? It may be sooner. The symptom’s that he’s losing it abound. This doesn’t necessarily mean that when he’s working ex cathedra that he isn’t sharp, but he’s saying such goofy things .
Let’s suppose he resigns in 18 months, Vance steps in and finishes his term and perhaps modulates the MAGA message a bit, does some house cleaning of the more conspicuous misfits among Trump’s appointments and has his ducks aligned for the 2028 election.
And the Dems run another idiot.
As an aside, we went to a party yesterday attended by a couple who are convinced that enforcing “affordable” unit provisions in all of the new apartment buildings is a good thing. We don’t think so after living in a building which had them. It wasn’t a problem to us, but the folks from the other economic tier that we could identify, mostly by behavior, never seemed comfortable with the rest of us. As far as I could tell, noone ever gave them a hard time, or for that matter a cold shoulder.
So Jan and I have been branded bigots for not supporting this. and to our faces.
John, If I were you I would stop hanging out with those kind of people.
John Ferguson,
“The symptom’s that he’s losing it abound. ”
Well, if they abound, they have not been obvious to me. He is just as obnoxious as ever, of course. Certainly whatever has been reported seems <10% of what I saw with Biden, even while he was running for office in 2020.
I don't think you are a bigot, if that helps. 😉
There are people who think socialism is the only legitimate form of government….. indeed, the only legitimate form of living (consider the paradise of the termites and the ants!).
It is impossible to reason with them. I gave up on that decades ago.
John Ferguson,
Trump is far too much an asshole to ever resign, no matter the circumstances, and no matter how much it might help Vance.
So long as he has the strength to say something obnoxious, he will remain in office. He could die suddenly, of course, but I doubt it…. he has the best health care available, and the actuarial tables say he is likely going to live another 9 years. Chance of death in the next three? Under 20%…. and that is with average family background and health care. No, sorry, Trump will very likely be offending people until he leaves office in January 2029.
Trump’s mother lived to be 88. His father lived to 93. Trump is unlikely to die any time soon.
after a year of Putin sweet talking Trump into putting off a serious US response to their dragging their feet in the peace process, I’m convinced Trump is either complicit or a complete nincompoop.
ISW calls it out directly today:
“Key Takeaway: Since the Trump administration began peace efforts in January-February 2025, the Kremlin has sought to delay and prolong peace negotiations in order to continue its war undisturbed, prevent the U.S. from imposing measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations, and even to extract concessions regarding bilateral US-Russian relations.” https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2006009886484881844?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
SteveF
Sadly, yes. Trump will probably make it through his whole term. Not that I necessarily like Vance.
It’s hard to predict what’s next. We’ll see what happens in the midterms.
Lucia,
Chances are Dems will control the House starting Jan 1, 2027, and Republicans will control the Senate. Trump will be ‘investigated’ continuously by the House and likely ‘impeached’ (yet again!!) on completely absurd grounds; basically, he will impeached for being Trump. The Senate will yawn.
I suspect impeaching Trump would be a terrible mistake for Dems, and make a Vance presidency far more likely….. but Dems have to listen to their base (to avoid future primary challenges) and so proceed with impeachment anyway.
Russell,
“measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations,”
Just what would those be?
SteveF,
Trump appears to me to be in much worse shape than either of his parents at the same age, at least as it can be ascertained from photographs. His dad was first diangosed with Alzheimer’s at 86. HIs physical condition at that age is not available but he did not appear obese in photographs frm that time.
As to the present Trump, reading transcripts of his public “rants’ does not give me comfort that he is not losing it. At the same time, he appears to still be quite adapt at the sorts of dialog in the Q&A sessions he is subjected to, But then “Quiet’ quiet, Piggy” suggests that he’s well into the phase of mental decline where self-discipline softens.
John Ferguson,
Trump has always said outrageous, gratuitously insulting things…. I’m not sure the ‘Piggy’ comment says much of anything about loss of self-discipline. This is in contrast with Biden, where loss of self discipline (with voters!) was a big change compared to 10 years earlier. In any case, we will see what happens…. Trumps’s father was diagnosed with Alzheimers at 86, but Trump is still ‘only’ 79. I will be the first to say if I see evidence of dementia.
FWIW, I think both major parties have failed to develop younger people who are capable of national leadership.
Mike, your question:
“Russell, ‘measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations.’ Just what would those be?”
Additional military hardware and munitions…
Longer-range precision strike missiles (e.g., additional ATACMS variants and GMLRS munitions) and greater numbers of the shorter-range precision strike munitions.
Directly supply F-16 fighter jets. Ukraine has received approximately 40-50 F-16s out of around 85-90 pledged in total by Europe. They have learned to use them effectively in battle. With the depleted state of the Russian Air Force, Ukraine could gain air superiority over the battlefield.
The U.S. is phasing out older F-16 variants and transitioning away from ATACMS missiles, creating excess inventory of both.
Increase sanctions……
Increase both primary and especially secondary sanctions.
I have been seeing USAF cargo planes landing and taking off from the Dominican Republic. It appears the Dominican Republic has granted us access to their airport. What the cargo is I do not know.
Screenshot from 1:30 PM Florida Time of cargo planes at a Dominican Republic and one more bound for Puerto Rico: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2006071050899993060?s=20
Mike, After further thought…
The US has about 2,000 (or up to 3,700 in some estimates) Abram tanks in storage they are older variants Abram’s tanks (primarily M1A1) held in storage/reserve. I’m not entirely sure more tanks would be game changing but they could be offered.
Russell,
I am far from convinced that anything you mention could make much difference. There is a limit to how much we can safely deplete our own stores of weapons. There may also be limits to the Ukrainians ability to effectively use larger quantities of the more sophisticated weapons. It is far from clear if those limits allow for an increase that would make much of a difference.
And “more sanctions” is meaningless unless you can specify what sanctions not already applied could make a difference.
To me, ‘measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations’ sounds like pie-in-the-sky.
john ferguson,
Some of the things Trump says might be cause for concern from a conventional politician. But Trump is not a conventional politician and has always said such things. You can not disgnose dementia on the basis of Trump being Trump. And you can not assess physical condition from photographs.
While I am at it, Trump is not obese. Based on the numbers in his physical, he has a BMI of 28. So he is overweight. But being somewhat overweight does not seem to be a big issue for older folks. I seem to recall claims that a BMI of 27 is ideal for older people.
Mike M,
Check “age adjusted BMI” for a complete description, including health implications by age.
Always struck me as strange that the recommended BMI range for a 22 YO and a 72 YO were the same.
US weight “suggestions” are a joke.
I hired an exercise coach to tone up a bit. I tend to be lazy in regard to exercise, so paid for a coach. If I was paying, I would be less likely to blow off the gym appointment.
My coach was a 5’ 10” , 175 lb , 23 yr old girl. A complete knockout and not an oz of extra fat. Per the CDC, she is overweight.
https://www.cdc.gov/bmi/adult-calculator/index.html
“ Based on the information entered, your body mass index (BMI) is 25.1, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height.”
Mike M.
You may choose not to suspect early symtoms of dementia via Trump’s verbal output, and you might be prudent in so choosing, but I do choose to infer dementia from samples taken from his rants over the last few years.
As to Trump being Trump, I do not count the blatant lies and exageratoins as evidence of his decline. Nothiong new there. If we want to detect incipient dementia we need to look at very specific examples.
Maybe like this one:
Sharks, boats, and electrocution
“I say, ‘What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?’”
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“So if I have my choice of going down or jumping five or six yards away from the boat, but there’s a shark there… You know what I said? I’d rather be electrocuted. I said I’ll take electrocution every single day.”
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At the same time, I do not draw any conclusions from his bruises, which I, too, get from banging into doors, or his care in dealing with stairs which seems perfectly reasonable.
John,
Trump speaks stream of consciousness, 8’th grade level. It’s part of his demagoguery. I think it’s an act he has perfected for the cameras.
But I could be wrong, and that could just be the way his is all the time.
He could be becoming demented. I don’t know that I believe that the oddness of his words there is indicative of it.
Heck, maybe. Maybe gravity holds us to the surface of the earth. Or maybe it’s some other force with identical properties. We wouldn’t be able to tell.
Shrug.
Time will tell I think.
John,
Trump speaks stream of consciousness, 8’th grade level. It’s part of his demagoguery. I think it’s an act he has perfected for the cameras.
But I could be wrong, and that could just be the way his is all the time.
He could be becoming demented. I don’t know that I believe that the oddness of his words there is indicative of it.
Heck, maybe. Maybe gravity holds us to the surface of the earth. Or maybe it’s some other force with identical properties. We wouldn’t be able to tell.
Shrug.
“Sharks, boats, and electrocution”.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. IIRC, he had his audience roaring with laughter.
” I think it’s an act he has perfected for the cameras.”
I think he has perfected it for his live audiences. It is interactive. Definitely not dementia.
I maintain that our politics and politicians have become so artificial and contrived that normal seems weird. And unusual (which Trump is by any standard) seems downright bizarre.
His biggest fans love it, in part because they are so sick of politics as usual.
John Ferguson,
Trump doesn’t know anything about electricity (or sharks!). Sea water is a very good ‘earth ground’, always and everywhere, unlike fresh water, and it is hard to generate much voltage drop across a person floating in salt water….. unless they directly touch a low resistance voltage source directly. Electric harpoons are deadly when used on large fish (like giant blue-fin tunas) because the wire supplies voltage directly to the fishes body, while the surrounding seawater ‘grounds’ the fish to complete the circuit (the boat generating voltage for the harpoon is the other electrode)…. leading to instantly lethal (high) current flow through the fish.
A Shocking Tale of Fish
I tried once to make a pulsed electric current source to repel spiny dogfish (a type of smallish shark). It is a PITA to catch, because in addition to sharp teeth, it has a giant, razor-sharp spine on its dorsal fin which can seriously injure. This type of shark was taking baited fishing lines near the ocean surface, next to commercial fishing boats, while the targeted fish (desired fish) were 20+ meters below the surface….. the baited lines never got past the dogfish, so it became almost impossible to catch the targeted fish.. The system had a big bank of capacitors, a continuous charging circuit, a timed switching circuit, and two aluminum plates (electrodes, about a square meter each) which were located about 12 feet apart just off the stern of the boat, 5-6 feet below the surface. The capacitor bank was sized to generate in the range of ~1000 amps passing through the seawater, in very short pulses (milliseconds) about 1- 2 seconds apart…. the circuit used about 250 watts continuous AC power from the boat’s gen-set. I ran tests in a modest size tank using small live fish to determine the current density that would visibly annoy them.
I expected the dogfish near the surface would be repelled by the string of pulses, giving the fishermen a ‘window’ through which they could drop their baited lines. I even gave the system a name: “The Dog-gone Shocker”.
It was tested on a commercial fishing boat: it never worked. Not even a little. The dogfish happily passed between the aluminum plates to take the baited lines while the system was pulsing away. The problem was that the current in a test tank was restricted to flow directly between the electrodes, while in the ocean, the current had unlimited paths between the electrodes….. I suspect it would have taken 10+ times (100 times?) the current flow to get the sharks’ attention…. at which point cost became a big issue.
So: No boat battery poses a risk to people (or fish).
Mike,
It was apparently deliberate as he repeated that bit over at multiple rallies. That doesn’t sound like dementia to me.
But again, the heck do I know? Nothing.
Steve,
Fun story. Thanks!
Will the current government of Iran fall in 2026? They have hella problems that don’t seem to be going away.
Mark Bofill,
Brutal dictatorships that are quite happy to murder untold thousands of political opponents rarely fall on their own. Unfortunately, I doubt the Mullahs will lose power any time soon. The next round of bunker busters would need very different targets to (possibly) get rid of the Mullahs. That is not Trump’s style.
Yeah. Thanks Steve
Hi SteveF, 60 Hz A/C might have induced arrhythmia. We were convinced by a cardiologist who had retired to a Krogen 48 that it was imprudent to swim anywhere near a marina or for that matter your own boat if it was running an A/C electrical system. The reason was it doesn’t take much oomph (term of art) in an alternating current to confuse your heart timing. There was also something about the gradient in current as it diminished on it’s way away from the source being enough to create similar gradient between your head and feet and come to some meaningful percentage of your own signalling.
We were convinced enough that whenever we cleaned the bottom of the boat which I did by holding my breath – 2 1/2 minutes at my best, and Jan on a tank, we shut down the inverter or genset while we were in the water.
And we never went into the water at a marina.
I found a pretty good article on this via Perplexity.
And it’s always possible that Trump had heard something like this, but not being techincal hadn’t put the whole thing together.
john ferguson,
Batteries do not make 60Hz, though Trump may not know that. 😉
I have never heard of anybody having a problem with a gen-set running. We often snorkeled off the swim dock with the generator on, with no apparent ill effects, and have seen many other boats do the same (I never swam in a marina, since the water might not be very clean). That said, I am currently at the Green Turtle Club Marina and there is a swimming area not 20 yards from docks with AC power connections. Kids do swim there.
Maritime legend maybe?
Water is pretty opaque to electric fields. I’d think being close to AC on dry land would be more.. effectuous.
Guy that gave the talk “alerting” us to this “risk” had numbers, but of course there were some assumptions that the supposed current through your heart was not attenuated by the noise of multiple paths. Maybe if you wore a dry suit but no gloves, and extended your arms along a radial from the source.
Maybe.
I should have mentioned, all the 120VAC outlets on my boat were GFI protected. I guess something weird could happen with AC going to an air conditioner or battery charger, but as far as I could tell, everything in the boat was tied to a common ground, so I doubt there was a lot of risk there. A bigger concern would be accumulation of carbon monoxide from the generator (depending on wind direction). But the boat had CO alarms, loud enough to wake the dead, that tripped at <5% of the 'dangerous concentration' in all living areas, and they were tested regularly.
Wishing all the denizens here “Salud, dinero, amor y tiempo para gastarlo” in 2026.
Happy New Years! About darn time, as far as I am concerned!
john —
I have seen no signs of Trump losing “it” whatever you think it is. He is as brash as ever, he can still speak extemporaneously (something both Biden and Obama stank at) albeit at a 7th or 8th grade level, and he still seems able to respond to live questions.
He’s never been self-conscious which is why we see the idiotic Trump branding all over the place. He has never seemed to be aware that people would name things after him on their own if he just did a good job. Heck, they named things after presidents who stank on ice like Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.
WRT the discussions on ship naming, the US Navy typically picks a theme for naming each new class or series of ships. Aircraft carriers have been named for US presidents or prominent naval power supporters since the USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). The 2 upcoming exceptions will be CVN-80 (inheriting the long revered name Enterprise) and CVN-81 (named Doris Miller for a black sailor who prominently manned the guns at Pearl Harbor).
Other classes or series were named after famous battles, cities (nuclear attack subs), etc. Trump can call the new class of ship whatever he wants — sailors in the future will probably follow established protocol and name the class after the first ship of its type (if it ever actually gets built). From what I saw, these are going to be missile carriers and launchers, not battleships in the sense of the New Jersey and Missouri. There is something to be said for the ability to stand off at a distance and precisely drop car-size munitions on top of an enemy force without each one costing millions — or even hundreds of thousands — of dollars.
If I remember correctly, we were carefully monitoring and scrutinizing the use of each Tomahawk and air-launched cruise missile immediately after Desert Storm because they cost nearly $100K each. The cost profile has only got worse since then.
The case for using battleships to do that is similar to the case for buying F-15EXes. Yes, we want stealth as demonstrated by the F-22, F-35, and maybe the F-47 to achieve air superiority but once we have air superiority, we don’t really need the stealth and a cost-effective munitions “truck” like the F-15EX becomes more interesting. Similarly, once the skies and littoral spaces have been cleared, battleships with their 16-inch guns offer a very different kind of ground support.
Ward Carroll’s YouTube channel had a recently retired admiral with extensive surface ship experience talking about what the Navy really needs right now.
Feliz ano novo para tudo!
Cold in Fl…. 40F projected low tonight.
Derek,
I do not agree that Obama could not speak extemporaneously. I can’t imagine how you could have reached that conclusion. He taught constitutional law at University of Chicagofor 12 years to an audience of pretty sharp students. Maybe from notes, but certainly not a teleprompter.
As to losing it, it may be that I am somewhat sensitized to at least the symptoms that I think expose it being 83 and surrounded socially by people that age and older, some of whom are losing it, not to mentionb the two spectacular declines in my family.
I also don’t give Trump a pass, although you might, for saying any outrageous thing which comes into his head and have that dismissed as “Trump being Trump.”
Maybe you don’t mind him calling members of the audience at the Trump-Kennedy affair last week “terrible people” or his written remarks concerning the Reiners’ deaths.
Loss of self-editing is a recognized symptom of decline. He didn’t say things like this 10 years ago.
And lest you think I might be imune to the goofy things done by polticians I respect, I don’t think I’ll ever forgive Obama for his assertion that business founders didn’t do it themselves, they depended on our government furnished infrastructure.
There nothing wrong with choosing to ignore symptoms you think are overrblown or meaningless, but my view is that he’ll never finish this term for the reasons I suggested earlier., as well as allowing Vance a head start for 2028.
I suspect he may be given the Spiro Agnew opportunity; leave quietly or face criminal charges. He may have immunity from prosecution for official acts, but plenty of the dubious things he’s done or is now doing cannot possibly be construed to be official acts.
The above premises are based on the assumption that enough Republicans will not be interested in going down with his ship, assuming of course, as I do, that his condition will become obvious to the meanest understanding in the next 18 moths.
i had an uncle who went from being a bit daft to having to be physically restrained in 14 months +/-. It can happen quickly.
I apologize for assuming the worst, maybe it won’t come as quickly as I expect.
john ferguson wrote: “Loss of self-editing is a recognized symptom of decline. He [Trump] didn’t say things like this 10 years ago.”
I fear your memory is failing.
john ferguson,
“but my view is that he’ll never finish this term for the reasons I suggested earlier.”
Wow. Short of some major health crisis (like a debilitating stroke), I see just about zero chance forTrump to not finish his term. If you are convinced he will leave office, there are betting markets where you can probably make a fortune betting Trump that will leave office.
Bet $10,000 and gain $50,000 if he is gone by Jan 1, 2027.
I am sure there are other market-like bets available. But if I were you, I wouldn’t bet on Trump leaving until Jan 20, 2029.
BTW, I would venture the 20% side of that wager is pretty much all angry Democrats.
New Year.
New solutions.
Thanks to all for this little window on the world.
And our hostess.
Mike M.
Insulting people directly and in person seems recent. If you say he’s been doing it for years, and are sure, I’ll believe you.
SteveF. I find the Repubs releasing the Jack Smith session complete with transcript suggestive that they are no longer afraid of him. As Gru, the traveler would say, “They are no longer afraid to live in fear.”
There was once a climate skeptic site named something like “The Chief” Chief being a Mike Smith who had been a CIO in an earlier life. Does anyone here remember it and if so what happened to Mike? He lived in California.
Mike M.
I suppose Trump was insulting the press directly and in person at his rallies in 2016. I concede this in response to your suggestion that my memory is going. I feel that he’s expanded the populations, (cohorts?) that he insults in person since 2016 and maybe more in the last year.
True, it’s my perception. Maybe difficult to prove.
John,
I suspect he may be given the Spiro Agnew opportunity; leave quietly or face criminal charges
Who do you suspect will give him this offer? I am keenly interested if you care to elaborate.
Ultimatum, really, isn’t that what you mean?
Mark,
Ultimatum is accurate, but I like fooling around with the words.
It has to be by the Republicans as it was in Spiro’s case. It worked with Sprio because the DOJ had the evidence to indict him for bribery and was willing to do it. It’s more complicated now and of course depends on Trump having committed some indictable crime, which I suspect, but don’t know for sure.
We don’t know, or at least I don’t, if NIxon had a deal with Ford to be pardoned, but Goldwater and all convinced him that he would be impeached and convicted if he didn’t leave.
I hope the Dems have realized that nothing’s gained from an impeachment which doesn’t lead to at least a chance of conviction. This doesn’t mean that fools won’t file letters of impeachment, but so far the leader can quash them.
I am much enocouraged by the release of the Smith deposition both video and transcript. I don’t think it would have happened a year ago. Maybe more Repoublicans don’t like the view ahead.
john ferguson,
Never saw those movies, so I’m not sure I understand your reference to Gru.
That said, I think Jack Smith is a very highly motivated individual, and his prosecutorial decisions over his career are consistent with that, and not just in prosecuting Trump. The old joke about prosecuting a ham sandwich seems apropos.
A rather large jury considered Smith’s cases against Trump in November 2024, and found them lacking merit. He at least was realistic enough to drop the cases when that verdict came in.
As for why Smith was called to testify: I don’t see any reason for it. It seems a tremendous waste of everyone’s time. He is an irrelevant lawyer surrounded by defense lawyers. Nobody is going to get him to say anything that could be used against him. More important than that, his testimony is as informative about Tump’s prosecutions as a pimple on the ass of an elephant is informative about the nature of elephants. The decisions to prosecute Trump were a) purely political, and b) not made by Jack Smith.
Republicans are making the same kinds of stupid, over-the-top, purely political choices as Democrats made pursuing Trump. The country would be better served if they stopped wasting everyone’s time.
Well, that’s one for the books John. I await the unfolding of these events you foresee with interest.
john ferguson,
The evidence of bribery against Biden was very clear, but prosecution (or impeachment) were out of the question. We live in very different political times than when Nixon and Agnew were in office. The era of politicians always being actually held to account for lies and criminality is long past.
I remember my wife’s reaction when it was proven that Clinton had lied under oath about oral sex with a WH intern outside the Oval Office. Said she: “He can’t stay in office now.” But stay he did. I think politicians are not going to be held to any reasonable standards, including blatant criminality, so long as the country is deeply divided about the proper role and scope of government.
SteveF
A rather large jury considered Smith’s cases against Trump in November 2024, and found them lacking merit. He at least was realistic enough to drop the cases when that verdict came in.
With next to no evidence. Sorry. the election may have had this effect, but the voters were uninformed.
I’m amazed that you aren’t the least bit uncertain about this. You haven’t seen the evidence although it appears that it will be relased in the next month or two, again, assuming Smith includes a lot of it in his report.
Then this:
I think politicians are not going to be held to any reasonable standards, including blatant criminality, so long as the country is deeply divided about the proper role and scope of government.
This is one of the best things of yours I’ve read. I haven’t seen anything like it anywhere else and I think it’s dead on accurate.
Finland’s Air Force has officially joined the F-35 family. This is the top-of-the-line US fighter jet. It far outclasses anything in the Russian Air Force. Finland purchased 64 of the F-35A (conventional takeoff and landing variant). Finland is replacing its older F/A-15 fleet, which, in my opinion, is itself competitive with anything in the Russian Air Force. https://x.com/lockheedmartin/status/2001011042734764068?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Russell,
When will they get the F-35’s?
The highlight of our recent visit to Finland was seeing a road sign with arrows pointing to “Helsinki” and in the other direction “Russia”
john ferguson,
“I’m amazed that you aren’t the least bit uncertain about this.”
I am sure Trump was as guilty as all the people who claimed (and still claim) Trump was never a ‘legitimate’ president. It is 100% a political question. Does the country deserve to suffer the consequences of having someone who would make a successful used car salesman as president? Or a president who spent his long political career collecting payments in exchange for political influence? Or for that matter, elected officials everywhere who have done essentially nothing outside of elective office their entire lives? All these and more are tolerated by the electorate because the bigger issues of what the USA ‘should be’ in the future divides the county and override the flaws and failures of individual politicians. I held my nose and voted for Trump (3 times!) because the alternatives offered a vision of the future of the USA with which I profoundly disagree.
“I hope the Dems have realized that nothing’s gained from an impeachment which doesn’t lead to at least a chance of conviction.”
Assuming Democrats gain control of the House: I hope you are right, but that has never stopped them before. 😉
However, Trump can’t run again, so maybe that will change the calculus; the earlier impeachments (plus all the prosecutions, civil and criminal, and efforts to remove him from ballots) were designed to keep Trump from being re-elected. Those efforts failed, of course, because enough voters saw them for what they were: politically motivated.
You think voters are uninformed; I disagree. Most voters understand perfectly well that Biden is corrupt to his bones and Trump is a lying buffoon and life-long skirt chaser. But they saw very clearly during Biden’s time in office what a ‘progressive’ controlled future would look like, and rejected that future. YMMV.
SteveF
Re; all the people who claimed Trump was never a ‘legitimate’ president. That’s a straw man. I know a lot of people who aren’t happy he’s president but not anyone who thinks he wasn’t legitimately elected. Nonsense.
It never occurred to me that Biden was a crook, but I don’t doubt it. I seriously doubt that “most voters” knew it either.
And I have no problem with disadain for the recent progressive agenda. I hate it too, and I had to hold my nose to vote as well.
And as I like to tell my liberal friends, “you have no idea what Hillary might have done had she become president, or now Kamala.”
John,
Interesting quirk about the Finnish Air Force… They use remote roadways as makeshift covert military runways.
from grok:
Finland employs highways as alternate runways for military jets as a core element of its dispersed operations doctrine, a strategy developed during the Cold War and refined over decades to enhance aircraft survivability against potential attacks on fixed air bases. The Finnish Air Force designates straight, wide sections of public roads as highway strips (maantietukikohta), which can be quickly closed to traffic and converted into temporary airstrips for takeoffs, landings, hot-pit refueling, and maintenance. This practice is mandatory training for all fighter pilots, with annual or biannual exercises like Baana (known in NATO as “Imminent Field”) involving F/A-18 Hornets, Hawk trainers, and support aircraft—often with allied participation, including recent F-35A operations by U.S., Norwegian, and Dutch forces. By rapidly dispersing jets across the country’s extensive road network, Finland complicates enemy targeting, ensures operational continuity in wartime, and maintains airpower resilience, particularly relevant given its long border with Russia and NATO membership since 2023.
john ferguson,
From a 2 second AI generated search:
Politicians Questioning Trump’s Legitimacy
John Lewis
Position: U.S. Congressman (D-GA)
Claim: John Lewis stated he did not see Donald Trump as a legitimate president, citing Russian interference in the 2016 election. He expressed that the election was compromised and that he would not attend Trump’s inauguration.
Other Notable Politicians
Hillary Clinton: The 2016 Democratic presidential candidate has often criticized Trump’s legitimacy, particularly regarding the election’s integrity.
Bernie Sanders: The Senator from Vermont has voiced concerns about the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency, especially in light of alleged foreign interference.
Hillary in particular stated many times that only Russian interference elected Trump in 2016. I think it was more voters rejecting Hillary, her blatant corruption, but most of all, her policies.
Voters knew what they would get with Trump when he was re-elected in 2024. And that is exactly what they have gotten. The guy is an asshole, and always will be.
SteveF
I vaguely remember that but thought it was nonsense at the time, and I suppose some people belived it. I did think there was some vanilla coordination between the Trump campaign and some Russian operatives, but I don’t think the Russians actually did anything that had any real effect.
Comey on the other hand. Although HIllary is such an incompetent politician that she could prablably have lost without any help from anyone.
We keep getting these plaintive squeals from Kamala seeking money. akkkkkkk.
SteveF
Is all the fuss about the Russian hoax in reaction to the nutso theory that the Russians put Trump in office in 2016? The dime never dropped here. Duh.
But then, I never believed that They’d had any influence on the outcome anf obviously didn’t think anyone else did, but apparently there are still people out there who did believe it.
Oddly enough, I get no pleas for money from Kamala. 😉 I doubt she can get past the first few primaries, and may not lasts that long. Mind-numbing word salads don’t play well with voters. More likely she will retire in substantial wealth and never run for office again.
SteveF,
I can’t imagine her getting anuy substantial support. I know a lot of Dems and none as far as I know would have chosen here to run in 2024. I used to enjoy seeing the sticker on the back of Pick-UP trucks which said that “It takes a village to raise an idiot”
Even a lot of Democrats were able to see that Biden was a fool and that he didn’t want to be outshown in 2024.
She’s married to money btw.
john ferguson,
I believe Biden promised in a primary debate to choose only a woman as running mate. Before the S Carolina primary it was reported he was pressured to select a black running mate…..
Maybe that is just an urban legend.
I think he could have done a lot better than Kamala.
For some reason he moved from California to Florida, wonder why!!!
“For some reason he moved from California to Florida, wonder why!”
I don’t wonder why.
Happy New Year!! 🙂
Happy New Year!
Been a good two days for college football watching….. The Ole Miss vs Georgia game was great. [Lane Kiffen can go suck eggs.] I also enjoyed the Miami vs Ohio State game. Finally it was fun watching Indiana dismantle Alabama. Indiana is for real. What was strange was watching a very good football team composed mostly of white guys.
Thanks dougie,
FWIW, I spent half an hour trying in both the goggle ai and perplexity to extract Mike’s site with no result. combinations of chief, cio, smirth, mike smith, characterizing it as a skeptic site and got nothing. I’d last looked at his site maybe 12 years ago.
Now I’m wondeering why AI couldn’t come up with anything except asking for more information. Reasonable, but it’s found olther things with less. maybe too many smiths.
you know it’s cold in Florida…….
My Russian young lady who tidies up the place came in this morning and said “it’s so refreshing outside”
It’s another matinee movie and popcorn day for me and my granddaughters. We are going to watch “It Happened on Fifth Avenue”.
Connie used to watch it every year at Christmas time.
john ferguson,
I searched ‘chiefio blog’ and it came up instantly.
john —
Trump was perhaps more circumspect about his insults 20-30 years ago but he’s always been willing to speak his mind. It was still pretty clear when he disdained something; he was deservedly slammed by right and left when he dismissed John McCain having been a prisoner of war. He was railed by the Left in 2016 for insulting a disabled journalist who he felt had been insulting him.
His directness is one of the things that bought him the presidency since his supporters saw him as being more authentic when he put his warts out on display. I see his increased willingness to engage with verbal insults more as impatience at having to continue to deal with the same tomfoolery time after time than as a sign of him “losing it”. He also may have decided to let loose more because he recognizes that being “authentic” has had more positive than negative results for him.
I say Obama stank at extemporaneous speaking because he did. At a minimum, he has prepared notes if not a full-blown teleprompter whenever he speaks publicly. That’s not extemporaneous. He fumbled whenever he didn’t have prepared remarks.
This is in direct contrast to Trump’s free-wheeling Q&A sessions where he speaks directly off-the-cuff. He can probably anticipate some of the questions and therefore prepare for them but I somewhat doubt that he bothers to prepare or rehearse for most of these sessions.
I really don’t care about Obama‘s speaking ability either way; he was an awful president and it doesn’t matter if he was a deaf mute or a gifted orator.
Trump draws a red line for Iran:
“If Iran (shoots) and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue,” the President cautioned. “We are locked and loaded and ready to go.”
This is pretty strong committal language from Trump. I triple dog dare you… Should be interesting to see what happens. I [think it’s fairly clear] Iran is on the rocks and I’m not all that confident the current regime will endure. Maybe they will.
mark —
That is strong. I think Trump realizes he has 3 years left to make a difference (really 2.5) so he’s not holding anything back on any situation. This does open him up to legitimate criticisms about running an authoritarian government but it’s really not any worse than FDR or Obama who both exercised power and dared the legislative and judicial branches to try to stop them (except that the press liked the ways FDR and Obama exercised their power).
SteveF,
I’d forgotten the io part. chief alone didn’t do it for me.
The US military is taking action in Venezuela at 2:40 AM. I do not know the extent of the action.
I have seen photo evidence of explosions in Caracas and helicopter gun ships firing near the coast.
Reuters have also claimed that US special forces have boots on the ground in Caracas.
The social media rumor mill is running wild. I have only printing here what I feel certain has happened.
angech,
at this stage, they’re on no answers, only questions.
Maduro (and his wife) have been ‘arrested’ and removed from Venezuela. Wow! Not what I expected at all. We will get details later today….. including casualties.
Maduro is 63, so he could spend quite a while in a US prison. The Guardian won’t like it.
This proves, were there any doubt, that Trump is actually Hitler. 😉
angech,
The long term goal, I suspect, is to return the country to being an elective democracy. That may be harder than Trump thinks, because Marudo has driven away the 20% of the population who most want an elective democracy. There is no good reason for Venezuela to remain desperately poor…. creating a ‘socialist paradise’ is never a good reason for abject poverty.
Good!
SteveF
Do you suppose that the folks who voted for Maria Machado, the winner of the last election, have left?
Other leaders in Maduro’s government are defiant. The message has to be “Leave, or you are next.”
Trump posted on Truth:
“The United States of America has successfully carried out a large scale strike against Venezuela and its leader, President Nicolas Maduro, who has been, along with his wife, captured and flown out of the Country. This operation was done in conjunction with U.S. Law Enforcement. Details to follow. There will be a News Conference today at 11 A.M., at Mar-a-Lago. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP”
john ferguson,
No, but a lot of educated, capable (and motivated) people left the country years ago. The remainder of Maduro’s government will have an easier time resisting the results of a legitimate election with those folks gone.
I sure hope we’ve done our homework on this and the next government there has the necessary support of their military.
Ten minutes ago:
“ Following the arrest of Maduro in Venezuela overnight, the two US Department of Justice/FBI aircraft are on the move. N874TW as JENA1 made the hop from Richmond, VA to Fort Lauderdale, FL and is now heading towards Puerto Rico, while N119NA as JENA2 is southbound from base.”
Image: https://x.com/theintelfrog/status/2007453360576663820?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Trump threatens the leaders of Iran, then the US military arrests Maduro in his own country. I am pretty sure those two things are connected. Trump is saying to the Ayatollah: “This could be you”.
Mike,
The logistics of capturing Maduro in Caracas is entirely different than attacking the Ayatollah in Tehran
Russell,
The logistics of capturing Maduro in Caracas is entirely different than attacking the Ayatollah in Tehran
Mike didn’t claim the logistics were the same.
John,
I sure hope we’ve done our homework on this and the next government there has the necessary support of their military.
Why? I very much doubt the situation will be made worse by Maduro’s removal. If the worst case is that some new military dictator assumes power, well, that was more or less the case under Maduro anyway. At least the Venezuelans have a chance to reclaim the governance of their country this way.
I hope Cuba is next! I’m sure it won’t be, but I can hope.
Situation made worse by removal of Maduro? I’m with you on that mark. It might be nice if Machado gains her elected office. She has the advantage of having won an election, and reputedly is quite popular.
I have no idea what her political views might be, but maybe she can be convinced that de-naionalizing some of the assets there is a good idea.
I don’t think it’s well known here but Erdogun denationalized the breweries in Trukey when he first gained power. My Turkish friends who were there at the time said the result was very good.
The difference between Maduro and the ayatollahs? Maduro doesn’t think 20 virgins await him in heaven. 😉 Those in control of Iran are even more extreme in their motivation to remain in power than a socialist dictator. They have murdered untold thousands of Iranians to do so.
John,
Technically, I think it’s Edmundo Urrutia who has the best claim towards legitimacy, although it’s not 100% clear. Maybe Urrutia as interim President while they hold new elections, that’d be ideal. But likely any number of potential new leaders would be better than what just passed.
mark bofill,
“I hope Cuba is next! I’m sure it won’t be, but I can hope.”
Is there popular sentiment in Cuba to get rid of the dictatorship? I know most Cubans here in the USA want the communists gone, but is that the case in Cuba?
“ The US Justice Department unsealed indictments in reference to former Venezuelan President Maduro. The US District Court of the Southern District of New York will be responsible for the trial.” https://x.com/tendar/status/2007486427551117384?s=61
You must be joking, right?
Let’s see. Power for 4 hours a day. A quarter of the population admits to going to bed hungry every night. Shortages of fuel and medicine are the rule. Of course, protests like the ones in 2021 were brutally suppressed, and in a place where political opposition is illegal it’s hard to get people to admit to what they are really thinking, but if we could agree on a method of verification that I was sure would give us the correct answer, I would bet absolutely everything I own that Yes. Most Cubans want the communists gone, with the sole provision or qualification that I presume the slaves still outnumber the slavers. That’s the only loophole I can think of anyway.
Elon is proclaiming….
“BREAKING: X is now the #1 News App on the AppStore in Venezuela
The people of Venezuela are receiving all the unfiltered and truthful news right here on this platform in real-time.
Maduro once banned the X app in Venezuela. Fate loves Irony.”
Caracus was defended by Russian anti-aircraft systems:
“It goes without saying that the Russian-made air defense assets around Caracas, Venezuela, completely failed to do their job.
Neither the 9K317M2 Buk-M2E – pictured here – nor the S-300VM respectively Pantsir-S1 could stop the US operation and were neutralized by US forces.”
These things always make me nervous. I’m glad I have a dance lessons at noon… Sigh…
We’ll see what tomorrow brings.
Mark Bofill,
I have no inside information on what life is like in Cuba; I assume you do. 4hrs per day of power in Havana, or in rural Cuba?
Can’t say I care very much what happened in Venezuela before today, or after today, but will reserve judgment to see what the longer term results are. I didn’t see them as much of a threat and this action unwarranted in the grand scheme.
My guess is that another corrupt regime will replace the previous one and not much will change. Trump has a way of getting results though that cannot be discounted. He showed a will to shut down the southern border and that had secondary effects on incentives that magnified the results beyond what many people thought would be ineffective policy (errr … Biden).
Along those lines when Trump tells Canada and Mexico to take action against drug runners in the future that may get a more serious response.
President Trump says Nicolás Maduro is running out of time. But as U.S. warships amass off Venezuela’s coast and Washington escalates a partial oil blockade, the embattled strongman is signaling something very different: that he expects to outlast American pressure.
I don’t think Maduro has been looking very hard at the history of loud mouth dictators picking fights with the US. This was obviously for his domestic audience but I doubt the likes of Trump saw this with much favor.
Trump…
We are gonna run the country until we turn it over
Steve,
I don’t know that this was Havana, but it looks to be like some relatively large city in Cuba anyway. Santiago maybe? I blush to admit I’m not all that conversant with Cuban metropolises.
“We are gonna run the country until we turn it over”
I sure hope that is not very long. The people want the Maduro regime gone and there is a well organized opposition with an elected president waiting in the wings. So maybe the turn over can be quick. The big problem will likely be maintaining order against the cartels and without much help from the military, who might well side with the cartels.
If we get bogged down in Venezuela, even if only months rather than years, it will be very bad for the midterms.
Nation building in Venezuela isn’t a great idea. Things might turn out for the better but we shall see. In theory once the President is indisposed in Venezuela the Constitution says elections in 30 days but the legislature can delay that. I kind of doubt that will be the path of things given the history there.
A complete oil blockade will be the point of leverage. Occupying Venezuela is a complete waste of time and resources.
I’m just waiting for Thomas Friedman, Robert Reich, Paul Krugman, and the other loony commentators to wail about this raid and the unjust capture and imprisonment of Maduro.
… and here we go, the wailing and gnashing of teeth has already begun …
(And this isn’t even to mention what lies in wait for the poor people of Venezuela.)
Freedom? Prosperity? I guess leftists shudder at the thought..
It’s an unprovoked military assault on a sovereign nation in breach of international law.
My eyes always glaze over when people start talking about ‘breach of international law’. Obviously, the President of the United States swears no oath to uphold ‘international law’. And Maduro’s regime was not a ‘sovereign nation’, on the contrary, he hijacked a sovereign nation.
…
And currently my income comes from this newsletter hosted on a US technology platform whose revenues come via a US payment provider. I feel the chill winds of that precarity. Just as I’ve felt the chill winds of reporting on Russian disinformation and sabotage. There is no difference.
Boo hoo, boo hoo. Conservatives spent decades suffering from online de-platforming and de-monetization under the sainted Barrack Obama and good ‘ole Joe Biden. Cry me a river lady.
The endless tut-tutting about international law also makes me roll my eyes. International law also apparently would have had Maduro cede power after he lost his last election.
I don’t think the law of the strongest make the laws is optimal but having a bunch of progressive and leftist “human rights” lawyers running the show is likely even worse.
Organizing and running human affairs is a pretty messy business and ceding sovereign power to bureaucrats at organizations like the UN is not the answer.
so this means Marco Rubio gets another job….
President of Venezuela
I don’t know how much Venezuela will need in the way of nation building. They had 40-50 years of democracy and a developed economy before Chavez wrecked things. So there is a foundation to build on. It did not take Panama long to get back on its feet after the removal of Noriega, but things had not gotten nearly as bad there.
Mike,
I was thinking along the same lines. Whatever. I ‘get’ that we don’t want our troops mired in a peacekeeping situation in Latin America where guerilla rebels kill a few of us and then melt away into the population. I think and hope everybody agrees that that is a bad idea. Likewise, I don’t think anybody wants us pumping billions into the place.
I’m not too worried. These seem like a really obvious trap to avoid. Trump might mess this up, but I doubt he will mess it up in either of these ways.
Anyway … Definitely congratulations to the US special forces, specifically Delta Force, for a successful operation. There are many ways these operations can go sideways and the US military remains undeniably the best in the world at this kind of stuff. I can’t wait to hear the details.
“ I can’t wait to hear the details.”
Me too!
There is no such thing as international law. The basis is that there is a single ‘global’ country. It is a wet dream of the left, and not real in any way.
mark bofill wrote: “I’m not too worried. These seem like a really obvious trap to avoid. Trump might mess this up, but I doubt he will mess it up in either of these ways.”
I think there is a good chance you are right. I am sure Trump does not want to get bogged down in Venezuela. The plan is surely to turn things over quickly to the guy who won the election. My concern is that such things often do not go according to plan.
If the Venezuelan military decides to go along with the transfer of power, things should be OK. I seem to recall that is what happened in Panama after we took Noriega out. But what if the military decides to side with the cartels? That will be a big mess.
A key point is that the US does not recognize Maduro as Venezuela’s legitimate head of state. It still makes me a bit queasy.
Mike M,
I too am a bit worried about getting too involved.
I think the Venezuelan military is going to recognize that resisting the will of Trump is probably unwise, and go along with regime change. If not, things could get ugly. The remaining Maduro government presents a real problem; I hope the military has the good sense to inform them it is now a good time to disappear.
On UK news they bring up oil & China as major factors for this US action. Any thoughts?
Dougie,
Venezuela has been producing only about 400,000 barrels per day. This is essentially irrelevant in the global market, where that volume could be replaced in a few weeks.
China? China may think forcing regime change in Taiwan is now more justified, but the situations are very different. Whatever else you might say about politics in Taiwan, the government is clearly the result of legitimate elections, while Maduro was an authoritarian who remained in office in spite of losing the last election (or two!). China could invade Taiwan, but it would not be the cakewalk the snatching of Maduro was. Taiwan has a very capable military.
A decade ago, Venezuela was producing about 2.5 million barrels a day. I don’t know how quickly they could get back to that, but it would be enough to put downward pressure on oil prices.
To the extent Trump cares about Venezuelan oil, it is not “we want their oil” it is “we want lower oil prices”.
Happy New Year, Joshua. Nice to see you are still here keeping up with your reading. — Lucia
Venezuela still owes the United States oil companies about $20 billion (Grok) for the assets, they seized. I suppose that has something to do with Trump wanting to get the oil flowing again.
The steady, public, escalation against drugs and tankers is looking more like warnings for Maduro to do this voluntarily.
DaveJR,
Yes, for sure. But the left never gives up power unless it is by force. Maduro simply could not (would not ever) allow Venezuela to return to an elective, representative democracy. That is why he is gone. It is also why China will be controlled by the CCP for a very long time. Or as someone noted long ago: You can vote the left into power, but you can never vote them out of power.
In a perfectly Trumpian move, Hugo Chavez’s mausoleum in Caracas was apparently bombed to obliterate his embalmed remains, at the same time that Maduro was being abducted.
Sounds a bit like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz after the flying monkeys were done with him. 😉
Mike M,
“I don’t know how quickly they could get back to that, but it would be enough to put downward pressure on oil prices.”
Absolutely true, but I suspect Middle Eastern countries would reduce production rather than let global prices fall very much.
A practical limitation: Venezuela’s crude is heavily loaded with asphaltenes, which require specialized refinery processes. With the big drop in Venezuelan production, it is unclear how many refineries are now set up to handle that crude.
I once characterized the (insoluble) asphaltene content of many different crude samples (for a major oil company). The Venezuelan samples almost looked like you could mix them with gravel and pave roads. Some of the very ‘light’ crudes looked exactly like a mixture of kerosene and gasoline….. and had just about the same odor.
SteveF,
Because of the asphaltene is the cost of refining this crude substantially higher than other crudes? Are there waste byproducts which have no practical use?
Corporate finance is well outside my area of expertise, but…
I would be surprised if the US oil industry is going to invest money in a country that confiscated their assets at one time and that now faces an uncertain political future. I would think things would have to stabilize before investments would start flowing.
Maybe they would require some guarantees from the US government.
Maybe they would want to wait until the oil prices look better.
I’m much impressed by this action. I guess I shouldn’t be but I’m surprised at some of the nutty things our liberal brothers are suggesting.
There’s an opportunity to handle the pacifying and “cleansing” of the military expeditiously so as to return the control of the country to the Venezuelans and get out, maybe in a few months. If it is possible to do this, we certainly should.
And if this can be done elegantly and with minimum bloodshed, it would be a far stiffer warning to other rogue states that we don’t fool around. If the apparent cost to the US is not outrageous, we may see other places where we could do this.
And maybe they’d be less comfortable screwing us around.
It’s yet another lesson in how socialists just can’t figure out how to run an economy even when vast natural resources are on the table. There were large foreign investments in Venezuela’s (oil) infrastructure.
Venezuela did the socialist wet dream thing, nationalized them, and subsequently ran them into the ground, thus disincentivizing any additional investment.
I imagine you could be economically smart and a socialist at the same time (China post 1970) but it just doesn’t seem to happen very often. Even crony capitalism > committed ideological socialism.
Venezuela’s type of crude oil is less valuable, it is “heavy sour crude” and takes additional refining. It is as heavy as molasses. It will sell for ~$10 less a barrel all things equal and currently sells for $10 less than that due to sanctions risk.
The Fiscal Breakeven (The Real Hurdle)
While a barrel is technically “profitable” at $30 for a private company, the Venezuelan government needs much higher prices to keep the country’s economy stable.
Fiscal Breakeven: Historically, analysts have estimated that Venezuela needs oil prices to stay above $80–$90 per barrel to balance its national budget.
Sustainability: At current early-2026 prices (roughly $57–$60 per barrel), the state-owned PDVSA can cover operating costs, but the government remains in a severe deficit, unable to fund infrastructure repairs or social programs.
Basing your entire economy on one thing is unwise. They should be using oil profits to build secondary economic sources of income.
Apparently the US also took down the electrical grid in Caracas shortly before the operation in a cyberattack. Yikes.
After oil prices collapsed in the 80’s, Venezuela started to liberalize and diversify their economy. They had at least some success. Then Chavez got in power. His policies wrecked the private sector economy while he used temporarily high oil prices to expand government. Then when oil prices fell, they had nothing.
REUTERS….
“Oil refineries along the U.S. Gulf Coast, the country’s main refining and exporting hub, were built decades ago to process heavy-grade crude – the type Venezuela exports – for products such as gasoline, diesel and jet fuel.
Although the U.S. crude oil mix dramatically changed following the boom in domestic shale oil – a light grade – in the early 2010s, many refineries still require heavy grades to optimise operations.
Venezuelan crude exports to the U.S. reached a peak of 1.4 million bpd in 1997, when they accounted for 44% of Venezuela’s production” https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-oil-refiners-win-chinese-rivals-lose-trumps-venezuela-strike-2026-01-04/
Tom Scharf,
Exactly right about Venezuelan crude; the samples i saw looked much like molasses.
I hate contemporary replacement culture. I accidentally knocked the carafe for my mother’s coffee maker off the counter this morning. It shattered like cheap glass but I got online to get a replacement immediately after cleaninh up.
Cuisinart wanted $31 plus S&H for a replacement 5-cup carafe. Walmart would have sold me a brand new exact replacement for the entire coffee maker for $37. Meanwhile, Mom tells me she got the whole thing at Costco for $16.
Once upon a time, a replacement carafe would have been $5, maybe $10, since people are clearly going to break them once in a while, but today we just encourage people to throw away the perfectly working maker and get a new one for want of a single component.
Grrrrr …..
Thanks for the feedback/comments on the oil situation & interesting links provided.
Derek H,
Can’t you get a replacement carafe from Walmart? If you look up the product on line, you might find info on replacements, perhaps in the comments or answered questions. I once found a replacement glass lampshade that way via the Target web site. It was not from Target, but I found a link on the Target site.
Mike —
Sadly, no. I was able to find a used one on eBay for $20 plus $10 S&H (it was the carafe, filter basket, and other accessories other than the base) but I am quite sure I can get my mother a good new replacement coffee maker for $30 or less locally.
Coffee makers are cheap and easy to find, this is more of a rant about how we’ve gone from a thrifty repair culture to a wasteful replacement culture.
The end is near for Scott Adams. He has fought a very public battle with cancer, including discussing it frequently on his daily live podcast. He just announced that he is becoming a believer and is going to die a Christian.
“I’ve not been a believer, but I also have respect for any Christian who goes out of their way to try to convert me, because how would I believe you believe your own religion if you’re not trying to convert me?
So I have great respect for people who care enough that they want me to convert and then go out of their way to try to convince me.
So you’re going to hear for the first time today that it is my plan to convert.
I still have time, but my understanding is you’re never too late.”
Video: https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/2007862842733785118?s=20
Trump posted a greatest hits video from the military action in Venezuela. There is real dramatic footage, including some that I posted here. If you watch it crank up the volume and listen to the rock music: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115832049332877712
Does anyone here understand how we’re going to “run” Venezuela if we’re not actually there? Are we telling them that if they don’t do what we want, we’ll invade them?
Apparently Trump and company don’t like Machado.
The idea to force change by threat of invasion or blockade or some other means seems a good one. Maybe similar to the deal the Japanese made with the Thais in 1941.
Anyone think of another example?
John Ferguson,
“Apparently Trump and company don’t like Machado.”
Nobel Peace Prize? 😉
Maybe they are just trying to have some semblance of order until elections can be held. Machado will win if there is an honest election.
John
I have no idea how we are going to run Venezuela. That’s one reason these things make me nervous.
As far as military action went, it seems to have been an efficient operation. So that aspect is nice to see. But… where will this really go? I’m nervous.
john ferguson,
I expect this is the extent to which we will “run” Venezuela: “We’ll be watching. No more abuse of protesters or imprisoning your political opponents; free all current political prisoners; schedule free and fair elections very soon, and invite lots or neutral observers to verify ‘free and fair’. Or else the CIA and (if needed) the US armed forces will make sure very bad things happen to you personally.”
Or simplified: FUFO, presented in Spanish by Marco Rubio.
Some wag has called it the “Donrow Doctrine”.
I am sure the Cuban and Nicaraguan regimes are a bit nervous.
That was Trump actually, calling this the Dunroe Doctrine.
I too am curious to see what the concrete day to day details turn out to be.
There has been a lack of disclosed details on the number of people killed or injured during the abduction of Maduro. All I can find is 32 Cuban soldiers killed (security around Maduro) and 80 Venezuelan “security and civilian” deaths. With all the strikes on military targets, I would have guessed much higher military deaths.
Maybe the Venezuelan regime doesn’t want to inform their soldiers of the number killed/wounded.
Senator Fetterman calling out his fellow Democrats protesting against Maduro’s Capture:
“I don’t know why we can’t just acknowledge that it’s been a good thing what happened … I think we should really appreciate exactly what happened here.” https://www.foxnews.com/video/6387253643112
Mark Bofill,
I didn’t see the “Dunroe” quote from Trump, only the “Donroe” quote in some commentary. Don’t remember exactly where.
SteveF
32 Cuban soldiers killed (security around Maduro)
Relevant question: where they for Maduro’s security? Or Cuba’s?
(I don’t expect anyone to know. Just it’s not really clear.)
“All of these actions were in gross violation of the core principles of American foreign policy, dating back more than two centuries,” Trump said. “All the way back, dated to the Monroe doctrines. And the Monroe Doctrine is a big deal, but we’ve superseded it by a lot, by a real lot. They now call it the Donroe doctrine.”
The scale of the fraud in Minnesota — and likely other states — is such that it’s hard to believe people high up in the state government weren’t aware of it or complicit in it. If he did participate in the fraud itself or covering it up, Walz will be lucky to escape to retirement.
lucia wrote: “I have no idea how we are going to run Venezuela. That’s one reason these things make me nervous.”
Indeed.
I think SteveF is correct that the way we will “run” Venezuela will amount to “we will be watching”.
We can’t just take Maduro and say to the Venezuelans “the rest is up to you”. That would result in either chaos or the same narco-terrorist government under a new boss.
I’m not sure what the official goals actually are with Venezuela. The unstated ones are a more friendly government to the US no doubt. One gets the feeling we are making it up as we go along.
Trying to get my head around “running” Venezuela.
Within the existing power structure, broadly defined there are three groups of people:
(1) The bad guys consisting of Maduro loyalists, the cartels, and those in league with the cartels. They need to be neutralized.
(2) The good guys who support support the opposition to Maduro and want to restore democracy. They may well be numerous in the lower ranks of the military, bureaucracy, police, etc. Not so many high up, but possibly more than a few. They need to be strongly supported.
(3) The opportunists who are willing to be on the side of whoever is winning. There are probably a lot of them. They need to be co-opted.
Allowing those in high positions to remain helps with (1) since otherwise the bad guys might form a united front. The talk about running things helps with (3) since it gives the opportunists a clear signal that they should side with the good guys.
It is going to be tricky.
Of course he may not have known how illicit the funds donated to his campaign were …
Tom Scharf wrote: “One gets the feeling we are making it up as we go along.”
I don’t get that feeling at all. The operation to take Maduro was very carefully planned over a long period of time. The military buildup looked like we were playing by ear only because the administration kept their cards close to their vest. The fact that we did not know just what Trump was up to did not mean that there was not a carefully developed plan.
I think the aftermath is similar. There is a well thought out political plan, but we won’t know just what it is until we see it developed.
My concern is that a military operation is a lot easier to control than a political one, no matter how careful the plan for the latter.
I would also say the media ran wild with Trump’s “we will run Venezuela” off the cuff statement and you might want to listen to Rubio instead.
Walz was deliberately bling to the fraud. He shut down a large number of whistleblowers.
The elephant in the room regarding Minn. fraud is that people were hesitant to crack down on it for fear of DEI based pushback, and that is exactly what is happening now. DEI actually ended up facilitating this fraud and that is not a good look.
The legacy media’s response to the viral video was enlightening, they devoted most of their resources to attacking the person who made the video and not addressing the implications of what was shown. Anybody in the legacy media could have done this investigation but they didn’t because no editor would greenlight that project, nor would most journalists in these organizations suggest doing that. There were a couple investigations by local media that weren’t picked up by national media that effectively showed the same thing.
“The Learing Center”, LOL. That one is going to stick forever.
Mike —
It does seem like he had to be actively blind but I am also keeping open the possibility that he’s just incredibly stupid. He has demonstrated that quality repeatedly so it may be a viable defense in this case.
Derek H.
My spouse went to work for a contractor at the local airport and soon discovered that it was actually a criminal enterprise to steal commodity and submit invoices for work not actually done. She was the financial person and quickly saw what was going on; then spent the next four years collecting the evidence used to indict and convict 26 people.
This particular activity had been going on in this fashion for over 30 years. Did the authorities know about it? very probably.
She had no idea who was involved at the government level and was a bit uncertain who to broach her suspicions to, but she guessed right and was soon talking to the local (federal) inspector general.
Her government contact at the airport told her that he’d suspected this for years but could never get anyone to come forward. And of course no-one went looking either.
inspector general was new to Miami and after 6 months observed at a dinner that the interesting thing about his work there was that if it looked like a duck, waddled like a duck, quacked like a duck, it probably wasn’t a duck.
The thing that was really wonderful about corruption in Miami was our complete astonishment that anyone would think they could get away with some of the more obvious scams.
examples on request.
The thing that’s scary is that Miami is located so close to the US.
Mike M,
“Walz was deliberately bling to the fraud. He shut down a large number of whistleblowers.”
Blind, profoundly stupid, or just utterly evil. Maybe some of all three.
The fraud had the effect of pumping $billions from elsewhere into the Minnesota economy, while enriching politically favored constituents. In the best of outcomes, a certain Congresswoman who married her brother to gain US residency, then divorced him, will be proven to be involved in the fraud, stripped of her acquired citizenship and deported to Somalia.
Please, a few examples, ha ha.
Government inspectors for fraud can be complicit. Either directly through bribes or more likely indifference to the point of instructing people how to fill out paperwork correctly so their butts are covered.
The level of fraud in some of these cases is staggering. If you want big government welfare and social assistance programs there needs to be a sufficient level of societal trust that money will be spent wisely. These kind of episodes erode that trust and the activists for more government need to promote sending in a big task force to eliminate it. I don’t think they realize how damaging this is in the long term. Instead they reflexively attack the people making the accusations.
Russell.
Very good,
Unfortunately Miami wasn’t close enough to the US for us to create a profitable business selling engineering computer systems.
Federal Covid business programs lost an estimated $200 billion to fraud, or about 17% of total disbursed funds. That doesn’t even count the very questionable need for these disbursements for many businesses, where there was never any intention of laying off workers. Those questionable give-aways to businesses were likely even greater in amount than the blatant fraud.
Government should not be handing out ‘no conditions’ free money, ever.
An example. The famous Miami Hot Suits Case.
Local tailor’s place was burglarized several times, and each time some very nice suits were stolen.
At some public gathering one was seen by the tailor being worn by one of our prominent polticians. The Tailor complained and soon it was discovered that suits were being sold tax-free from a motel room. Several of our leaders were buying them in this way.
My memory, not confirmed by what I could find in a search, was that Janet Reno, Elected States attorney at the time refused to prosecute saying there was insufficient evidence.
I can remember this all so clearly and yet if you try to research any of it, most of the information I remember is not available online.
It does look as if I spent a lot of time on it, I could probably put the whole thing together.
WSJ
The large-scale theft—still being tabulated and growing—has been a major distraction for Walz and his fellow Democrats as their party struggles without a national leader or any real power in Washington.
It’s not a “distraction”, it’s the literal job of government to prevent this.
And of course it wouldn’t be major media article without the Republicans pounce narrative. Agh.
The controversy has also handed a political weapon to Republicans, who have been capitalizing on the scandal to portray the state and Walz as a national symbol of government waste and Democratic mismanagement. Trump administration officials have criticized him on a nearly daily basis and amplified videos critical of him.
Good example. I’m sure all that stuff on eBay is not hot either.
IIRC power tool manufacturers were starting to introduce a “phone home to unlock” model in order to address rampant theft at places like Home Depot.
“And of course it wouldn’t be major media article without the Republicans pounce narrative. ”
Republicans have been complaining of fraud (and abuse) in government expenditures for my entire life! They must get awfully tired of ‘pouncing’ on fraud.
I will note that the PPP did have the desired effect in at least one situation that I know of personally. My sister and her husband have a small business and the PPP loans were vital to keeping that business running through the pandemic.
I haven’t looked at their bank accounts but I know they haven’t improved their standard of living so it sure isn’t evident if they skimmed any money personally from PPP. My guess is that the vast majority of recipients are in the same boat and the number of fraudsters is very low but that low number committed an enormous amount of fraud.
Another Miami example.
a County Commisioner was in charge of art in public places. Over several years, large bronze sculptures began to appear in his front yard on Miami beach. Out ever alert Miami Herald reporters noticed that the artist behind his front yard wors was the same as the person receiving many of the contracts for sculptures to be located around the county.
Our hero was asked about it and was kind enough to save the state the trouble of investigating the case. He we told the reporters that his sculptures wsere gifts of the fellow to whom he’d awarded all of the other projects.
He had no idea there was anything wrong with this and had assumed this sort of tit for tat was how the sytemn worked.
One of my Miami stories….
We had a potential client deal that involved a garbage hauling firm in Miami. The father had been active in garbage hauling in New Jersey. When the family relocated to Miami, the three sons took over the hauling business. I was dealing with the three sons. Their names were Big Jake, Little Jake, and Scarface.
Honest.
In early 2024, we received a request from a Federal agency for a quotation for an instrument. There were many documents to fill out and and hoops to jump through until the purchase order was finally received. When the order was filled, we asked when they would like to have set-up and on site training. They said “we’ll let you know”. That was almost two years ago. In December, they told us they were ready for training, on January 6, 2026. Government is pure madness.
this post wins my Internet for today:
“ I want to live between two day care centers in Minneapolis because I hate being around kids.”
John wrote: “An example. The famous Miami Hot Suits Case.”
Given the age, I thought this would be a good AI search test.
This was the question : “What can you find out about suits being stolen in miami and being sold onto other, including politicians with the culprit not charged by janet reno?”
It took Grok a whole 2mins 30 of searching to come up with this:
“The “Hot Suits Case” was a 1987 scandal in Miami involving the sale of high-end men’s suits at suspiciously low prices (e.g., $275 suits for $125 each) from an unlicensed makeshift store in a duplex. The store did not collect sales tax or accept credit cards, which raised red flags. Miami police raided the location, alleging the merchandise was stolen, and initially charged the store owner with grand theft and racketeering.db0f8928f224
Several influential people in South Florida purchased suits from this vendor, including John Hogan, a senior prosecutor in the Dade County State Attorney’s office at the time. Hogan bought two suits just days before his appointment as Florida’s first statewide prosecutor (a role focused on organized crime). After learning the suits might be stolen, he delayed reporting it to his boss, Dade State Attorney Janet Reno, for nearly three months to avoid embarrassing her. This undermined his credibility, leading him to resign the statewide post after only nine months, though he was retained as a special adviser to the Attorney General and later rehired by Reno as her chief assistant.afaea8b07a833d3f515b758b
Other buyers reportedly included a city manager (a political appointee/public official), who was charged in connection with the case. However, Hogan—a longtime Reno deputy—was not charged and continued his career under her, eventually becoming her chief of staff when she became U.S. Attorney General in 1993. The investigation ultimately fizzled out with little outcome: later determinations found that at least some suits (including Hogan’s) were not actually stolen, and they were returned to the buyers. Hogan donated his to Goodwill. No further prosecutions of buyers or the seller are documented in available records, and Governor Bob Martinez dropped a separate probe into Hogan’s conduct after his resignation.6b8e123143b7443744ae8e93
Janet Reno, as Dade State Attorney, oversaw the initial investigation through her office but did not pursue charges against Hogan or apparently other key buyers, despite the scandal. Critics at the time suggested favoritism, as Hogan was her trusted aide, while others like the city manager faced consequences. No direct evidence of sales to elected politicians beyond public officials (e.g., the city manager) was found, though “influential people” were broadly implicated. The case became a minor blot on Reno’s record but didn’t derail her career or Hogan’s association with her.8255b7ed6f7980101273f869
No other matching incidents involving stolen suits in Miami, sales to politicians, or Reno’s decisions not to charge were identified in historical records or recent discussions.”
“The case became a minor blot on Reno’s record but didn’t derail her career or Hogan’s association with her.”
Which was most unfortunate, since Reno later ending up killing a bunch of kids for no good reason. Probably the second worst AG the USA ever had… after Eric Holder, the title holder. Reno was denied public office by Florida primary voters after the Clinton administration, which was a very good thing for Florida.
38.6 Trillion
Debt
Just logged onto the DOGE site which gives the most amazing summary of not only DOGE savings but also an incredibly complicated summary of the US financial status breaking it down into states as well ( not one in the green!)
And future trends
Increasing 1 trillion per 90 days but slowed down to over 245 days and more to go for this trillion.
Going backwards today!
Worth a look all.
Bravo Dave JR, that’s exactly how I remember it. I need to share some of what seemed to me to be evasion in the Perplexity response.
Thank you Russell.
To the best of my recollection I’ve never fired a Walther of any sort, but it looked like a good firearm.
angech,
Web address?
Lucia –
I hope you’ll be willing to extend to your dear denizens my appreciation for their confidence in the deep planning of the Trump admin – the same Trump that claimed water released from lakes in Cali could be used to fight the fires in LA, the same Trump who claimed that the COVID pandemic would just fade away in Spring of 2020, the same Trump who claims that blowing up those boats from Argentina would materially reduce deaths from opioid ODs (even though they aren’t carrying opioids).
Their ability as Trump apologists is a sight to behold and a thing of beauty
Hi Joshua. It’s always fun to read your long, winding, and dense comments. I’m sure the denizens will enjoy the performance. — lucia
On November 19, 2025 at 1:15 pm I wrote; “I think that Plan A is to convince Maduro that he is done and arrange for some country to take him as an exile. So Trump gets Maduro out of power and Maduro gets to live.”
I think I was right about that. Now it looks like the next step is to pressure Maduro’s successor to reverse many of his policies and to have elections, then turn over power to the winner. And she knows what will happen if she does not play ball.
Gemini Pro whiffed on the tailor scandal:
If this is a specific anecdote about a clothing thief (e.g., a tailor or shoplifter who sold Armani suits out of a trunk to commissioners), it appears to be a local legend that has not been digitized in major legal archives. However, the narrative fits the broader criticism of Janet Reno’s Miami tenure: that she was often lenient on politically connected crimes or failed to prosecute corruption in her own backyard until the Feds stepped in.
Lucia,
Thanks for that injection of clown-car level humor.
Mike M,
I’ll bet right about now Maduro is wishing he had resigned and fled to Cuba back in November or December. It was a big mistake to stay after Trump told him he a had to leave.
SteveF
JANUARY 5, 2026 AT 7:05 PM
angech,
Web address?
Doge.gov
I read that Maduro’s next court hearing is scheduled for March 17…. That’s a long time to sit incommunicado in a maximum security facility.
Chaves was initially a pragmatist, allowing continued capitalism, when first elected in 1999, because oil prices were low and the petroleum industry generated only modest profits. But he began a systemic overhaul of the constitution, allowing him ever more power to dictate policy.
As oil prices began to rise (and with them profits), Chavez adopted more aggressive socialist plans, including taking control of broadcast media. By 2005, the price of oil had reached levels not seen for 15+ years, and Chavez took complete control of the petroleum industry, milking it for money he gave to poorer Venezuelans….. but not properly investing in maintenance/renovation. The price of petroleum continued to rise to very high levels, and having nationalized all petroleum production, the Chavez government had ever more funds to maintain control and power. Chavez’s final years in office corresponded to an average oil price of US$120+ per barrel in today’s dollars.
The petroleum party ended shortly after Chavez died in 2013, with Maduro inheriting a combination of rapidly falling oil prices and aging equipment in poor condition. That (plus sanctions) led to ever declining petroleum profits, and declining ability to buy the votes needed to stay in power. Maduro was forced to become more authoritarian, and more closely aligned with Cuba, combined with arrests (and murders!) of opponents, and violent suppression of popular protests.
Once past the “political high” of having stolen most private property, Socialism never works. The goose that lays the golden eggs is always killed in the end.
I don’t have any secret sources inside the country of Iran, but there is an awful lot of seemingly reliable sources, saying the protests are now widespread throughout the country
Trump does not appear to care very much about the form of government in Venezuela, only that it is friendly to the USA and better serves our interests. He continues to be transactional in nature, if anything his guiding ideology is still America First without a lot of religious ideology attached nor caring too much about the outcomes of other nations.
Many people want American values shoved down the throat of other nations, notably * their * American values, and not the opposing party’s. Trump is nakedly self interested in his country’s outcomes.
This is more or less how everybody has operated for centuries but with a recent patina of diplomatic morals on top (EU style). Trump has thrown that charade to the curb, the faculty lounge has been excommunicated from policy making.
Will there be better outcomes? Hard to say. I never had much patience for the self righteous sermonizing but it doesn’t cost much. We had too much of it and now we have none of it.
Tom,
but it doesn’t cost much.
I’m not sure that’s true. I don’t know what it costs us. I suspect that part of the problems in Afghanistan involved a disconnect between perceived reality on high and facts on the ground due to dogmatic insistence on imposing American values, or rather reporting up the chain that American values were being adhered to. To some extent it was real but the rapidity with which it evaporated strongly implies it was always just an expensive mirage to a large extent. At least that’s my speculation and take.
mark Bofill,
“To some extent it was real but the rapidity with which it evaporated strongly implies it was always just an expensive mirage to a large extent.”
Agree 100%.
Rephrasing the old Russian joke about working under the communists: The Afghans pretended to believe in American values, and we pretended to believe them. You need only a brief exposure to Islamic culture to recognize that ‘nation building’ was pure madness.
I sure hope that Venezuelans recognize socialism was a catastrophe for the country, and they choose to build a free and prosperous society, but it is up to them, not us.
I have an identity theft situation going on via PayPal and I asked Gemini how to deal with it. It gave me a fraud support line at PayPal that turned out to be a scam line, ha ha.
Gemini: “Direct Contact: Call the PayPal Pay Later support line at 1-833-412-6501. This is the dedicated number for monthly installment plans.”
Support rep: “What we need you to do is download this app onto your iPhone so we can immediately process your refund”.
Oh brother. It might be just me, but there seems to be scams everywhere now.
Tom,
It gave me a fraud support line at PayPal that turned out to be a scam line, ha ha.
Yes! People should be cautious about this for sure! I have heard many reports of people gaming AI’s (the way AI’s search, learn and summarize) for fraud purposes. Don’t blindly trust libraries it recommends you download and use! That was the example that really caught my eye.
What I meant to say is the high handed moralizing doesn’t cost much if you are still just executing self interested policy. The recent political game was sending different patronizing messages to different groups, before Trump blew it all up.
That’s what I see the EU doing. For example total BS about protecting privacy from the corporate overlords but actually just taxing the US tech sector.
Steve, you would like the GPT-OSS-120B I’m working with. It tells me we are an ‘echo chamber’ here, when I share bits of our discussion with it. Not a whole lot of prioritizing ‘asskissery’ going on in that LLM! Hah.
Tom Scharf wrote: “Many people want American values shoved down the throat of other nations”.
That is a big part of what went wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan. As mark says, the “self righteous sermonizing” has been massively expensive in those cases.
In Panama and Grenada there was no need to shove our values down anybody’s throats. In both cases, regime change worked out well. In Grenada, the anniversary of the invasion is a national holiday.
Venezuela had a capitalist democracy for a half century before they learned that while you can vote socialists into office, you can’t vote them out. So I don’t think there is any values problem there.
But Venezuela has an institutional problem since, unlike Panama, their institutions have all been destroyed or corrupted. So there needs to be a period of transition from the current regime back to capitalism and democracy. That is going to be very tricky.
I have no doubt that Trump wants to see democracy restored in Venezuela. He has clearly decided that the best way to get there is to co-opt the remnants of the current regime in the near term. I sure hope he can pull it off.
The self-righteous sermonizers would have us rapidly dismantle the current regime including the military. That would probably work out about as well as it did in Iraq.
I for one prefer the straightforward honest approach. We’re not telling Venezuela how to run their country, we’re just telling them
1) we don’t want narcoterrorists flooding our country with these drugs
2) we want to be reimbursed for the oil and facilities stolen by Chavez and Maduro, and
3) we would prefer a friendly government over a hostile one.
Telling the Afghanis what kind of government they should have was foolhardy. I’m not happy that Trump was talking with the Taliban during his first term but Bush should never have extended the mission to nation-building. “You broke it, you fix it” was a Powell-ism. I’d rather Bush have said, “you were already broken and we don’t know how to fix you, you need to do this yourself but we won’t tolerate al Qaeda or the Taliban.”
No doubt dismantling the Iraq security forces caused chaos. We do have to be careful and not overlearn from every mistake we make, different solutions for different problems.
We shall see how it all pans out, Trump seems to be lucky (or wise ha ha) in outcomes more often than not. His tariffs are so far not the disaster they were predicted to be, but not exactly a panacea either. There is nothing wrong with trying experimental policy out as long as you aren’t wed to it.
Tucker Carlson has either gone insane or is strictly running a show for the suckers at this point. With very high confidence, there is no meaningful connection between gay marriage and our reasons for deposing Maduro whatsoever. I don’t know why anybody continues to take Carlson seriously. He’s the equivalent of a ‘shock jock’ entertainer at this point and little more as far as I can tell.
The Russian military, in particularly Russian military hardware, has been downgraded in world opinion over the past years. This last venture in Venezuela may be the final nail in the coffin for Russian military equipment. nobody wants that Russian junk. Buy American.
“According to military experts, Venezuela had the most powerful and multi-layered air defense network in Latin America. There are also reports that Russia has transferred its air defense systems to Venezuela in the fall of 2025.”
Mike M,
I believe several of the remaining members of Maduro’s government are under criminal inditements similar to that against Maduro. So maybe Trump and Co. are counting on the threat of abduction to push them in the direction of agreeing to Trump’s demands. I suspect a few will find their way to Cuba, but most will stay. That is a big gamble, considering some of these folks were involved with imprisoning, torturing, and killing opposition leaders. My advice: Save yourselves, flee to Cuba.
Mark Bofill,
“I don’t know why anybody continues to take Carlson seriously. ”
I haven’t for a long time. He is convinced alien spaceships are already here. Yikes! The guy has no connection to reality.
SteveF wrote: ” My advice: Save yourselves, flee to Cuba.”
Sounds like good advice. Maybe that is part of the plan: Let the worst members of the regime self-deport.
WSJ:
The Cuban government said 32 officers from its Revolutionary Armed Forces and the Interior Ministry, which runs intelligence services, were killed in the line of duty as part of Maduro’s security detail.
I find this bizarre, Maduro doesn’t have Venezuelans protecting him? I had no idea how deeply embedded Cuba was here. Apparently Cuba specializes in leftist dictator security. They didn’t do so well this time.
Carlson is more firmly grounded in reality than members of the Obama or Biden administrations were but that’s really not saying much. I haven’t had much use for him since he demeaned the “Crossfire” kinds of exchanges and don’t bother watching or listening to him.
Maduro probably didn’t trust members of his own army with his protection. Best to rely on comrade Castro … (I’m laughing).
Derek H
Well there’s nothing new about having foreign nationals running your security. Swiss Guard anyone?
Hampton Inn in MN refuses to book DHS employees. It very, very, predictably doesn’t end well for them.
I don’t know this author, but he seems to know what he’s talking about. This is strategic analysis of why Greenland is so important to the defense of the United States. It involves intercepting Russian ICBMs at the top of their trajectory.
Makes sense, look at the map (Mercator projection) provided. https://x.com/object_zero_/status/2008524560891588691?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
(caution, it might all be hogwash)
Russell,
We used to have such equipment in Greenland. Maybe we still do.
it seems what Trump is choking on is the increased ship traffic north of Russia and soon north of Canada due (gasp) to warming.
excuse me, I meant to say not a Mercator projection
Tom Scharf,
Stupidity, without an upper bound. Who could have thought this was a good idea? I can’t imagine. Many states have laws prohibiting discrimination by hotels, restaurants and the like; dunno about Minnesota, but if they do, the loony leftists in Minnesota will likely let the hotel slide.
The hotel is owned by four people ‘of Indian (south asian) descent’
The US doesn’t have any effective defense against a Russian nuclear missile strike. I think the typical flight paths are more over Canada and Alaska. Most missile detection of land launches are through space based systems. We know where their silos are and they know where ours are and we look at those with interest.
They have already demonstrated hypersonic ICBM’s and along with submarines and air systems we will be stuck at deterrence only for decades is my best guess.
Now … we could build a missile defense that would likely be partially effective, such as we saw in Israel but only letting through 25% of nukes may not be a success. The Russians would counter with better nukes, etc. Perhaps we could bankrupt them again in a money shoveling contest of an arms race but I say we just forego the entire exercise.
Minnesota statute:
“363A.11 PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS.
Subdivision 1.Full and equal enjoyment of public accommodations.(a) It is an unfair discriminatory practice:
(1) to deny any person the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of a place of public accommodation because of race, color, creed, religion, disability, national origin, marital status, sexual orientation, sex, or gender identity, or for a taxicab company to discriminate in the access to, full utilization of, or benefit from service because of a person’s disability; or…….”
Oddly enough, nothing about denying services based on employer. Can Republicans be discriminated against? I would not be at all surprised.
I suppose they can refuse the business, but they can also suffer the consequences of doing that. They probably don’t want to host the porn awards convention along side the bible store annual meeting.
Hilton took swift and decisive action to prevent a nuclear social media reaction. Crisis averted.
Hi Joshua. Another argument-by-link performance duly noted. — lucia
Greenland is a choke point for naval traffic from the Russian ports on the northern side and has great visibility for any northerly launches (space or missile). There is a reason we have had a missile warning radar there for decades. Iceland is also a key location but has less available land, greater population, and volcanoes.
I think it’s stupid of Trump to poke our Danish allies in the eyes about this but it *is* strategic geography.
it would be helpful if someone from the administration would explain what they see as the strategic importance of Greenland, instead of us all out here guessing.
Pardon my skepticism, but I don’t think Trump’s made interest in Greenland is strategic defense. I think it’s mineral wealth.
From Grok:
“Greenland is rich in mineral deposits, particularly rare earth elements (REEs) and other critical minerals.
Greenland hosts some of the world’s largest untapped REE deposits, along with substantial reserves of graphite, zinc, copper, nickel, gold, iron ore, and more. A 2023 survey identified potential for 25 of the 34 critical raw materials listed by the European Commission.”
Some local news that may affect your area in the coming weeks:
“Even patients who received a flu shot are not fully protected. Dr. Reynolds says this variant, nicknamed the “super flu,” is new and was not incorporated in this season’s vaccine.”
“At Sarasota Doctors Hospital, doctors say the spike in cases started around Christmas and is showing no signs of slowing down. On average, 80 to 90 patients are coming into the emergency room each day, with about a quarter testing positive for influenza, mostly influenza A.”
We often get a spike in flu because of all the visitors coming at Christmas time. Tourists bring their money and spread it around, but they also bring the flu and spread it around.
I’m gonna dig out my mask.
SteveF
Can Republicans be discriminated against? I would not be at all surprised.
You can be discriminated against for political views, so yes.
SteveF,
Developer I worked for refused to sell a house in Boca Raton to an attorney. He’d said something during pre-sale discussions that Tom thought presaged later problems. There were some initial legal skirmishes, but it was concluded that lawyers are not a protected class.
Pardon my skepticism, but I don’t think Trump’s made interest in Greenland is strategic defense. I think it’s mineral wealth. From Grok: “Greenland is rich in mineral deposits, particularly rare earth elements (REEs) and other critical minerals.China has spent the last couple of decades locking down the sourcing of minerals, (98% of Ga, 95% of Mg, 90% of NB 80% of Gr, Bi, and W) so in that respect there is a strategic interest though not directly defense. They’ve made it difficult to not use them for a lot of products by controlling the source materials.
Andrew,
I agree. I suspect that Trump will eventually get around to offering a large number of dollars (perhaps $1 trillion?) to Denmark, which might be enough to get their attention. After all he’s all about making deals. The stuff about not ruling out military action is just the usual “don’t make unilateral concessions”. [Plus, it distracts opposition with hypotheticals instead of allowing them to focus on real issues.]
I suspect that even such a large $$ value would still be a good deal. Alaska worked out very well indeed.
Greenland is important because of both location and mineral resources. It is because of the former that we have military bases there. It is because of both that the Chinese want in.
A decade ago, Greenland really needed to upgrade their airports, some of which are used by our military as way stations to our bases. The Danes did not want to spend the money, so when the Chinese offered to do it, the Danes were going to accept the offer. Until Trump told them not to.
I think that was the genesis of the current concern with Greenland since it indicated that the Danes might be the reliable partners we need.
Extracting Greenland’s mineral wealth might or might be economically viable. It almost surely won’t be with the greenies in Copenhagen setting the rules. But the Chinese might be willing to lose money on it just to maintain their control of supply.
So Trump’s concern with Greenland, which is probably actually the Pentagon’s concern, is likely well founded.
HaroldW
I suspect that Trump will eventually get around to offering a large number of dollars (perhaps $1 trillion?) to Denmark, which might be enough to get their attention.
How can he pay it unless Congress funds that? Real question. I think the constitutional answer is he can’t. But I don’t know. I know we bought Alaska and the Northwest territories.
We are not going to buy Greenland we are not going to take it by force. Trump is putting pressure on Denmark to make changes. Of course, he does not say what his bottom line is. It might be just to push Denmark to make it easier for US companies to develop the mineral resources. Or it might be to promote Greenland’s independence, which is something that most Greenlanders want. An independent Greenland would almost surely be close to the US, perhaps even with a Compact of Free Association, like the Marshall Islands.
Lucia,
Well, the hotel’s owners just made about the world’s dumbest business decision. Rather than actually change policy as they announced they would, they lied in an effort to keep the Hilton affiliation, while continuing to refuse reservations based on politics.
Their reservation system is gone, their national advertising is gone, and they no longer have any “stamp of approval” from a national hotel chain….. nor are they likely to get another. Proving yourself to be a dishonest counterparty tends to reduce your business options.
They paid $15 million for the hotel and franchise a couple of years ago; I rather doubt the hotel is worth that now.
I doubt US$160K per Dane ($1 trillion total) would even get their attention, since the money would never be allowed to reach individual Danes. Congress would never approve the money anyway, even if Trump called it “Viking reparations”. 😉
Developing resources in Greenland is exactly what the Danes have always rejected. They want the island to remain as it is in perpetuity.
Mike M,
” Or it might be to promote Greenland’s independence, which is something that most Greenlanders want. ”
How do you know that?
Ethnic Composition
Greenlandic Inuit: About 89.5%
Danish: Approximately 7.5%
Other Nordic and others: Remaining percentage
You might (comically) argue that taking over Greenland would be a “liberation” of the ethnic majority dominated by the Danish minority. 😉
AI search assistasnt says:
“Overview of Greenland’s Economy
Greenland’s economy is characterized as small, mixed, and vulnerable. It heavily relies on the fishing industry and substantial financial support from the Danish government. The economy has faced challenges, including a declining population and limited infrastructure.
Key Economic Sectors
Fishing Industry
Contribution: The fishing sector is the backbone of Greenland’s economy, accounting for over 90% of exports.
Main Products: Key exports include shrimp and Greenland halibut.
Economic Impact: Fishery exports were valued at approximately 5.3 billion DKK in 2023, representing 23% of GDP.
Public Sector
Employment: About 43% of Greenlanders work in government roles, significantly higher than in many other countries.
Government Support: The Danish government provides around 20% of Greenland’s GDP through annual grants, which fund public services and infrastructure.
Mining and Natural Resources
Potential: Greenland is rich in untapped mineral resources, including oil, gold, and rare earth elements. However, development is hindered by infrastructure challenges and environmental concerns.
Economic Challenges
Population Decline: Greenland’s population is projected to decrease by 20% by 2050, affecting labor supply and economic growth.
Public Finances: Recent reports indicate deteriorating public finances, with a need for fiscal tightening measures due to declining revenues from government-owned firms.
Future Prospects
Greenland aims to diversify its economy and reduce dependence on Danish subsidies. Efforts include attracting foreign investment, particularly from the U.S., and promoting tourism, which has seen growth in recent years. However, significant challenges remain, including infrastructure development and environmental sustainability.”
43% are government employees!?! Sounds very European.
Andrew, your post:
“China has spent the last couple of decades locking down the sourcing of minerals, (98% of Ga, 95% of Mg, 90% of NB 80% of Gr, Bi, and W) so in that respect there is a strategic interest though not directly defense.”
Thank you, Andrew. I completely missed that point.
Test
“He’d said something during pre-sale discussions that Tom thought presaged later problems.”
I’ve had a couple customers who started talking about problems they had with previous developers / contractors. I always ask for details because this is a giant red flag. Occasionally it is the previous developers at fault (withholding design files, etc.) but most of the time it is them pushing around the help Trumpian style.
For the most part my business relationships have been conflict free as most people who run a “nearly” successful business have been around the block and know how things work.
I’ve had situations where a new customer and an old customer had a contentious relationship that left me in the messy middle.
This may be important (but maybe not):
Over the past 24 hours, dozens of U.S. Air Force aerial refueling tankers and heavy military transport aircraft, including C-5 and C-17 types, have departed from the United States and from American airbases in the UK and Germany, heading toward the Middle East.
Here is the current (11 AM Florida time) live screenshot of four USAF KC-135 Stratotankers arriving in the region: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2008932661637623863
I have no idea what their mission is.
On contentious customers– my husband has ordered a ballroom dance smooth suit. I chatted with the tailor about problem customer (me tutoring, dance teachers– students– and tailors.) He notes red flags….. Jim isn’t one of them. 🙂
“China has spent the last couple of decades locking down the sourcing of minerals, (98% of Ga, 95% of Mg, 90% of NB 80% of Gr, Bi, and W) … ”
At first I thought “Gr” was a typo for “Ge” (i.e. Germanium) but perhaps it means Greenlandium?
The US military seized two oil tankers at sea today. One was in the Caribbean and one was in the north Atlantic. The one in the north Atlantic had a Russian flag and was being shadowed by Russian warships and submarine. The worships did nothing to interfere with the US military.
When I was hiring for Arcadia Systems, I used to take serious contenders to dinner and if I could get them drunk enough to loosen up.
Jan and I were quite charmed by the guy who regaled us with all of the way he was screwing his present employer, all the time with his wife kicking him under the table.
At first I thought “Gr” was a typo for “Ge” (i.e. Germanium) but perhaps it means Greenlandium?
Graphite. Used the IMA symbol instead of C.
Andrew P,
The mineral list for Greenland does not include the symbol for the material most common in Greenland and most relevant to Trump’s fantasies:
Uo —- Unobtainium
😉
Acquiring Greenland is not going to happen.
US Secretary of State William H. Seward was the primary advocate for the purchase of Alaska. Horace Greeley’s New York Tribune called it “Seward’s Folly” and we all know how it turned out.
A woman protesting ICE arrests in Minneapolis, blocked a street with her car until an ICE officer tells her to get out of the car and tries to open the door. She turns the front wheels right, and pulls away quickly, towards another ICE officer….. who shoots her through the windshield and kills her.
It will be interesting to see if Minnesota attempts to arrest the iCE officer. My bet: no, they won’t.
I find it very strange that people think it a good idea to interfere with ICE agents enforcing long-standing Federal immigration law.
They aren’t going to land on the moon, but circumnavigate it as a leadup to an actual landing several years from now. It will be the first time humans have left earth’s orbit in about 50 years. Should be exciting.
At the moment the human lander program is a complete mess and we shall how that pans out. My guess is significant delays.
I wish we would have skipped the moon and gone directly to Mars. Best case now is we reproduce something we did 50 years ago using slide rules, and worst case is …
The first shot the officer fired was when he was standing in front of the vehicle as it was moving toward him. I consider that self-defense. It appears the second and third shots were fired by the officer while he was standing beside the vehicle, shooting into the open driver’s side window. I’m not sure that that’s what happened, but if it is, I doubt that the second and third shots followed proper protocol.
Video: https://x.com/josheakle/status/2008970977699639681
Driving a car at a police officer is considered a lethal threat almost everywhere and police can use lethal force to stop the driver. Plenty of people have been shot to death this way and the officer is rarely charged.
However police procedures are usually that an officer is to never stand directly in front of a perp’s car in order to avoid this potentially fatal snap decision making. The ICE agent here looked to not be following that protocol (if he was even trained for it or under the restrictions of that protocol). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU
It looks like the (stupid, stupid, stupid) driver decided to try to get away after the situation escalated but was basically forced to drive directly at the officer who was standing too close and in front of the vehicle which he had at gunpoint.
So split decision IMO. Officer not handling it properly and perp playing the usual starring role in their own demise. One common outcome is officer is disciplined but not criminally charged. It’s ICE in MN so it could go anywhere.
What should have happened in a perfect world?
1. No need to draw your weapon here for some a**hole just blocking traffic (no know felony here AFAICT).
2. If you draw your weapon then you stand aside and give the car a clear path of escape. Do not fire if there is an escape attempt.
3. The car is allowed to drive away and a pursuit occurs which hopefully has a chance of a better outcome. Additional charges for escape attempt.
Whether these are fair rules is up for debate. Police are held to a higher standard that us loser citizens.
To make it clear, my personal opinion is play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The protesters are engaging in dangerous behavior. No sympathy for them from me. I had no sympathy for Kyle Rittenhouse’s victims nor would I have had sympathy for him either if the situation was reversed.
Given the number of engagements of escalating protesters versus lightly trained ICE agents this type of event was bound to happen.
Tom Scharf,
“Should be exciting.”
Terrfying might be more accurate. I wouldn’t take that ride. And terrifying for the taxpayer…$95 billion and counting…… with no upper bound in sight.
“To make it clear, my personal opinion is play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Sure, but interfering with a federal law enforcement officer, who is enforcing the law, is (I believe) always a Federal felony. I find it a bit like Alice in Wonderland that anybody thinks a) people present illegally ought not be subject to immigration laws, and b) people should be able to interfere with Federal law enforcement without consequence.
Should the guy have shot her? Donno, he may have been able to avoid that. It could be the agents were planing to arrest her, so he tried to block her from escape. Simple prudence: never drive your car toward someone holding a gun; it may be the very last thing you do.
“To make it clear, my personal opinion is play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Sure, but interfering with a federal law enforcement officer, who is enforcing the law, is (I believe) a Federal felony. I find it a bit like Alice in Wonderland that anybody thinks a) people present illegally in the USA ought not be subject to immigration laws, and b) people should be able to interfere with Federal law enforcement without consequence.
Should the guy have shot her? Donno, he may have been able to avoid that. It could be the agents were planing to arrest her, so he tried to block her from escape. Simple prudence: never drive your car toward someone holding a gun; it may be the very last thing you do.
Sorry about the double comment…. donno how that happened.
Tom Scharf wrote: “in a perfect world … The car is allowed to drive away and a pursuit occurs “.
The counterargument is traffic violations should not result in fatal police shootings.
The counter-counterargument is it is very unwise to put your life in the hands of an agitated law enforcement officer, agitated intentionally by you, and making him make a split second decision on whether to fire his weapon.
It hard to see, but it appears the protesters were using their cars in a coordinated action to slow down the ICE officers by continuously pulling in front of them and blocking the road. It’s either a traffic violation or obstructing law enforcement. Either way death is a permanent penalty.
Using cars for obstructing wasn’t well thought out, this was a predictable outcome.
Pompeo has been wrong about nearly every foreign policy. That is why he was rejected by primary voters. He should stop advocating for quagmires.
“Using cars for obstructing wasn’t well thought out, this was a predictable outcome.”
Yes, but if a traffic violation, where were the local police? It was obvious, coordinated, obstruction of Federal law enforcement.
What the DOJ should do is gather all the license plate numbers of the other cars, then arrest and prosecute each driver for obstruction.
Federal immigration laws apply, even in Minnesota.
Right. The question is whether there was a better way to apprehend these jerks without a fatal encounter. ID the driver / vehicle. File charges and arrest them the next day at their home.
From the police training perspective it is giving stupid people less opportunity to create that fatal encounter. For example don’t walk closely in front of the vehicle.
Not always so simple of course, these are gut reactions that take significant training to overcome. I think you give the police a long leash here but not infinite leash. Probably fire the officer (mostly for the second and third shots as the car drove by) but not charge him criminally. I don’t think he will fair well in a civil wrongful death case. MN will probably try to indict and prosecute him but I expect this to fail.
I strongly disagree. Coddling people indulging in dangerous criminal behavior only encourages more dangerous criminal behavior. Enough already.
mark bofill,
Yup, prosecute and imprison….. do not let it slide.
Change venue to North Dakota.
A second angle shows the car actually made contact with the officer about the same moment of the shooting so this may end up being vital to the defense.
It will also be important what the exact policy is for using deadly force, I’d expect this to be authorized when a vehicle is arguably being used as a weapon (debatable here) but it is also arguable that deadly force was not necessary in hindsight.
The woman was likely trying to drive away but we have no views from the officer’s perspective. The ICE agents didn’t have body cameras.
“The administration has argued agents are immune to prosecution by state or local officials.”
If this is true then it is unlikely he will be prosecuted. He was performing his duties here.
No, ICE agents (and all federal officers) do not have blanket or absolute immunity from state prosecution. While the U.S. Constitution provides them with a specific defense called Supremacy Clause immunity, this only applies if they meet a strict legal test.
As of early 2026, this has become a major legal flashpoint, particularly following recent incidents such as an ICE-involved shooting in Minneapolis on January 7, 2026, which has reignited the debate over state-level murder charges for federal agents.
The Legal Framework: Supremacy Clause Immunity
Derived from the U.S. Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article VI), this doctrine protects federal officers from being “punished” by states for simply doing their jobs. However, to qualify for this immunity, a court must find that:
The officer was performing an act authorized by federal law.
The officer’s actions were “necessary and proper” to fulfill their federal duties.
If an agent uses excessive force, acts with malice, or commits a crime unrelated to their duties (like reckless driving or a personal dispute), they are not immune and can be prosecuted by the state just like any other citizen.
How State Prosecution Works for Federal Agents
If a state (like Minnesota or California) charges an ICE agent with a crime, the process typically follows these steps:
Removal to Federal Court: Under 28 U.S.C. § 1442, a federal agent has the right to “remove” their case from state court to a federal district court.
State Prosecution, Federal Forum: Even though the case moves to a federal building, it remains a state prosecution. The state District Attorney (not a federal prosecutor) still argues the case, and the agent is tried for violating state law.
The Pardon Power Gap: Because the conviction is for a state offense, the President cannot pardon the agent. Only the Governor of that state (or the state’s pardon board) has the authority to grant a pardon.
Mark, your post:
“Coddling people indulging in dangerous criminal behavior only encourages more dangerous criminal behavior. Enough already.”
I think it’s far too early in the investigation to exonerate the officer in the shooting.
The victim was not a target of the ice raid but was either an innocent bystander or a peaceful protester.
The situation escalated when federal officers approached her vehicle and reached into the open driver’s window while the other officer stood in front of her car to block it.
I would not at all be surprised if the officer is found [at least] to not be following proper protocol.
Federal sources confirmed she was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal warrants or involvement in illegal activity tied to the raid.
Russell Klier wrote: “The victim was not a target of the ice raid but was either an innocent bystander or a peaceful protester.”
She was neither. She was actively impeding federal officers in the execution of her duties. She disobeyed an order to get out of her car. Then, at a minimum, she attempted to flee the scene. In the process, she drove into a law enforcement officer. I am sure she committed multiple felonies. She was certainly not innocent.
Maybe she did not intend to run over the ICE agent. And maybe a guy who points a gun at a cop does not intend to shoot. It does not matter, since a cop can’t read minds.
I don’t think the officer who was hit was initially in front of the car. He was off to the right side of it. When the driver turned the car, it brought the officer in front of it.
We can not expect officers to read minds or see the future. Maybe the officer who fired the shots did not handle things perfectly, but it seems to me his actions were reasonable.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. And unfair.
On the face it appears she was clearly trying to block ICE vehicles as part of a protest. If you listen to the video you will here people screaming and whistling as part of some ICE protest of some sort. The person who shot the video was clearly a protester by her own words (shame, shame!) and filming for a reason. The second angle of the incident shown from a house was also already filming for a reason, the ongoing ruckus.
She then clearly attempted to flee. Perhaps she was an innocent bystander who tried to turn around in the middle of a surprise street protest, then got scared when police approached her car, then she inadvertently struck an officer thinking this was a carjacking. Maybe she is very unlucky, but then again Michael Brown was said to be a gentle giant until he wasn’t.
We will see how it all plays out. The video is instructive and will probably be all we will ever need to know. The (agitated) officers knew only what they knew at the time and that was what they should be judged on.
The shooting is going to turn out badly for the administration. Just like the Kent State shootings did not deter us in the 60s, it spurred us on. We had murders to avenge. We had to get Nixon. The resistance exploded in numbers.
I think the anti-ICE movement now has a martyr. It will have renewed energy and a renewed sense of righteousness.
The Democrats, the Media, Academia and the crazies will all unite behind the cause.
Grok on the effects of the Kent State murders:
“ • The event sparked the largest student strike in U.S. history, involving an estimated 4 million students across hundreds of universities, colleges, and even high schools.
• More than 450–900 campuses shut down partially or fully, with strikes, walkouts, rallies, and teach-ins spreading rapidly in the days following May 4.
• Protests intensified on campuses nationwide, including massive demonstrations (e.g., 100,000 in Washington, D.C., on May 9) and escalated actions at places like Ohio State University.
This surge galvanized the anti-war movement in the short term, turning Kent State into a symbol of government overreach and fueling outrage against the Vietnam War.”
Tom Scharf,
“We will see how it all plays out.”
Sure. But a) she was trying to block ICE from arresting illegal aliens, a felony, and b) did run her car into the ICE agent who shot her.
I predict this will ultimately go to the SC, where they will block any criminal prosecution under Minnesota state law.
NASA:
“As an update to our earlier communication regarding a medical situation aboard the International Space Station, the matter involved a single crew member who is stable. Safely conducting our missions is our highest priority, and we are actively evaluating all options, including the possibility of an earlier end to Crew-11’s mission. These are the situations NASA and our partners train for and prepare to execute safely. We will provide further updates within the next 24 hours.
The perp was guilty of assault and robbery, along with a multitude of other arrests, but never put away. So now there is a dead father who was raising two girls alone. The perp was also apparently crazy (AKA ’emotionally disturbed’)….. but never confined.
Still, ICE can’t enforce Federal immigration law in those blue cities? This doesn’t even pass the smell test.
These cities will continue to go down the toilet.
Tom Scharf wrote: “Perhaps she was an innocent bystander who tried to turn around in the middle of a surprise street protest”.
Except she wasn’t. She had been repeatedly interfering with the ICE officers. Part of a group, I think. She brought her fate upon herself.
Obviously she was trying to escape. I don’t see what difference that makes. This lady was either willing to hit a cop with her car or so reckless in her behavior that she did so involuntarily. She was dangerous. The agent did the right thing as far as I am concerned. If this lady drove off and plowed through people getting out of church, we would be marveling at this agent’s negligence in not stopping the threat.
What makes us blink is that the absolute minimum threshold for lethal force was met. Fine, good. It should make us think twice. But the agent still did the right thing.
Yes, it is curious that the other officers never drew their weapons. Even the one standing next to the open drivers window.
People seem to me to be implicitly arguing ‘oh, she was only a threat because agents didn’t flee’. Sorry, that doesn’t wash. The laws need to be upheld, and it is absurd to think that police must retreat in the face of any criminal willing to escalate to violent and dangerous behavior. That leads straight to criminal anarchy.
Mark Bofill wrote: “it is absurd to think that police must retreat in the face of any criminal willing to escalate to violent and dangerous behavior.”
Hear! Hear!
Gov Walz is skating very close to formal insurrection against the Federal government. He has threatened to activate the Minnesota National Guard, “to protect Minnesotans from ICE agents”. As if Federal laws do not apply in Minnesota. The immediate response to that will be to nationalize the Minnesota National Guard and arrest Walz (and maybe others).
Is he really that stupid? For his sake and the country’s, I hope not.
This is a monument when Walz needs to take a deep breath and walk that threat back, or he could soon be sitting in a cell facing charges of treason.
The ICE agent is going to have trouble. The video of the shooting shows him clearly to the drivers side of the SUV and I don’t think the woman he shot was ever driving at him.
I’m under the impression the lady actually hit the agent with her car from watching those videos.
My analysis is that the killshot was fired while the agent was standing next to the driver side window.
I know it’s too early and I know it’s reckless to make decisions this early but everyone else is so I am too.
The shot the agent fired from in front of the vehicle was off target it was low right and could not have been the headshot that killed the driver.
image: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2009282637286826261?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
The agent fired two more shots after he had moved out of the way and was aiming at the open driver side window.
I don’t think it’s a self defense case. I think it’s an ‘objective reasonableness’ case. It was a fleeing suspect who posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others (obviously, since she hit one with her car) and they had warned her and tried to stop her.
Also, yes. The agent is going to be in trouble. There are often department rules that impose more stringent restrictions than those mandated by law. Add to it that the optics are fairly bad here. He’s going to face some sort of disciplinary action I’m sure.
Lucia,
Video from a different direction shows that the car actually hit the agent on his left hip/leg, pushing him to his right. He shot once as he was being hit, through the windshield on the driver’s side, and then twice through the open side window as the car passed him. The whole thing looks to have taken about a second. Unclear which shot (s) killed the driver.
Absent additional information, I doubt he will be charged. Subject to disciplinary actions? Could well be. Depends on specific engagement rules.
Mark,
The “fleeing suspect” was suspected of the crime of demonstrating against ICE. Let her go; it’s not worth shooting her in the head at point blank range.
The agent walked around the passenger side of the car and stood in front of it. He escalated the situation from dealing with a protester to one were deadly forced might be required.
Russell,
People can’t recklessly use deadly force in trying to avoid being legitimately and legally detained. People who are willing to do so are a danger to the public. Therefore I disagree with you.
Although look, I get what you are saying. As I said above, this was an edge case. Absent the car hitting the officer, I’d agree with you. Obviously, the impact didn’t kill him or incapacitate him. Was it just a bump? Does this matter? Maybe it does. It’s an edge case.
[Edit: I would like to believe it’s not OK, and it shouldn’t be OK going forward, for people trying to avoid arrest to ‘bump’ the actual bodies of agents trying to arrest them with motor vehicles. I don’t believe this is a reasonable thing to demand of our police, nor do I believe any legitimate public interest is served in tolerating such misbehavior. Therefore I want the cop to be cleared regarding this. But, que sera.]
The ICE agent obviously had his pistol out and was ready to fire before the victim drove toward him. Is that allowed under ICE rules? Donno.
Never drive toward someone holding a gun.
Artemis II will be a loop around the Moon on a free-return trajectory, similar to Apollo 8. They have a lot of science to do along the way.
I disagree with Tom Scharf. I have always advocated return to the Moon before continuing to Mars. We are going to encounter problems with system design, procedures, and unanticipated situations. It would be better to encounter those problems 3.5 days from Earth than 3.5 months from Earth.
We will refine designs but we still have a lot to manage for permanent human habitation and that should be the goal.
I don’t think the death of Renee Good (the deceased protestor and driver of the van) will have anywhere near the effect the Kent State shootings did. For one thing, Leftists no longer have a near-monopoly on the media anymore.
The outcome of the Kent State shootings would have been somewhat different if the media then had focused on the rocks being thrown and the violence of the protestors instead of solely on the dead youth.
Those protestors also played stupid games and some won stupid prizes but the media used their “prizes” to support the counterculture movement. The American public was somewhat naive about television news in the 1960s; they are more jaded (experienced?) now.
Walz probably genuinely thinks he can use the death of Good to deflect from his ever growing fraud scandal. This is definitely going to work for a portion of the population, the question is what portion?
The lady actually struck the agent. You can see this in the second video from a bedroom window down the street. It was a glancing blow at low speed while she was turning away. She also had previously reversed, then put it in drive toward the agent.
This is likely enough to argue this established a fear for his life in the agent’s mind. Since police get some level of immunity this would be enough for many jurors (like myself).
I think the agent’s behavior is not beyond reproach though, discipline is warranted. He escalated the situation to a deadly encounter when it just didn’t need to be IMO. The amount of discipline will depend on what the rules of engagement were at the time and the policies in place.
Derek H,
Were it Musk (SpaceX) funding the effort, I doubt the moon would be on the menu at all.
Can Musk actually get people to Mars in his lifetime? I suspect he can. Permanent colony? Very unlikely. Thousands of 150-ton payloads delivered to Mars is much too big an undertaking over the next 30 years, even for Musk.
“Walz probably genuinely thinks he can use the death of Good to deflect from his ever growing fraud scandal. ”
Seems unrelated, except to the extent ICE was starting to look for illegal aliens involved in the fraud. I don’t see how advocating for insurrection is a prudent choice.
“Obviously she was trying to escape. I don’t see what difference that makes.”
It doesn’t make a difference as far as what the agent saw right up until the moment the shooting occurred. The establishment of escape (versus an attempt to drive over an officer) is mostly post shooting by the direction of the car travel. The media is making a big deal of which way the tires were pointing but there is no reason to believe the agent saw that or processed it.
The police will circle their wagons here and the officer will get interviewed later but only say carefully choreographed answers.
The legacy media is doing their usual thing of making almost zero effort to tell the officer’s potential view of events.
just as I predicted, the resistance in Minnesota is escalating dramatically today. I expect it will be nationwide maybe by this weekend.
Oh, come on. We look at videos from various angles over and over, perhaps in slow motion. Then we critique decisions a police officer made in real time, with limited information, and without knowledge of the future.
I think the ICE agents actions were objectively reasonable. That is not changed by the fact that we can second guess him.
“Yet all of us at some time have found ourselves standing in front of a running motor vehicle with a driver seated behind the wheel, despite our training. I believe human beings are hardwired to stand facing a threat, which contributes to this unfortunate situation.”
Under “The safe place to stand when dealing with vehicles” he says: “There isn’t one.”
Yes, the vehicle moved while the officer was firing, so the later shots entered the car from the side. I say “So what?” Human reaction time is not instantaneous. The driver might have swung the car back at him to hit him again. She might have aimed the car at a second officer. There is no way to process all that in the time allotted.
It would have been extremely difficult for the ICE agent to avoid a bad outcome. It would have been very easy for the driver to avoid that outcome. In fact it took at least three very stupid, lawless decisions for her to end up dead. It was not the ICE agent’s fault.
Yup
[Edit: My point about it not making a difference about her wanted to flee or not is that her intent didn’t matter. I don’t believe it makes a difference if she was trying to run the cop over or if she was trying to get away. She refused to be detained and hit an agent with her vehicle in trying to flee, and I think (and I might be wrong of course) that that was enough to make her a danger and threat that justified lethal force under the ‘objective reasonableness’ standards.]
“just as I predicted, the resistance in Minnesota is escalating dramatically today.”
Yep. I think they planned for this. They fomented confrontations, knowing that would eventually lead to a tragic result that they can used as fodder to advance the revolution. They could not know where or when the tragedy would happen, but they were prepared to exploit it when it did happen.
Russell Klier wrote: “The agent walked around the passenger side of the car and stood in front of it. He escalated the situation from dealing with a protester to one were deadly forced might be required.”
I disagree, he was NOT in front of the car until the driver swung the car toward him while backing up. It does look like he then took a step or two to be directly in front of the car. Perhaps so that he could be sure she saw him. Perhaps instinctively to directly confront a threat. But no matter what, the agent is not the one who created a dangerous situation.
Police can not do their jobs if they adopt the attitude of “I must never do anything that might conceivably result in someone getting hurt.”
Mike,
“ Police can not do their jobs if they adopt the attitude of “I must never do anything that might conceivably result in someone getting hurt.””
police are taught to de-escalate a situation. This started out as a simple civil disobedience action. The officer escalated the situation and wound up putting a bullet in the protestor’s head.
he was standing behind the vehicle and walked around the passenger side to stand directly in front. Is my position that he intentionally caused the confrontation.
SteveF –
Yes, Musk wants to go to Mars. So do I. However, I want a smart program to do so, building our existent capabilities with each step albeit not at the glacial pace NASA was proceeding at.
We got to the Moon in an extraordinarily small amount of time once we committed to it but it was done thoughtfully with planned and prepared increments. Apollo 8 was a rare case of leapfrogging and it was spurred by competitive Soviet ventures.
The program would likely have been short-circuited and terminated by the likes of Mondale if they could have pointed to hasty activities resulting in deaths on orbit (Mondale tried to use the Apollo 1 fire to kill the program). We will suffer casualties as we progress outward but opponents won’t be able to use those casualties to kill exploration if they can’t point to recklessness and foolhardiness.
There is no duty for police to retreat in a standoff. It is their job to handle this situation.
But, you know, protect and serve. Unfortunately this means protecting citizens from themselves many times in the eyes of a large segment of the population. Keep the death toll to a reasonable minimum and that means letting criminal behavior “evolve” for hopefully better outcomes with some risk. Policies / judgment calls. Some things will end badly no matter what the policies are. Criminals will be allowed to escape to do further crimes, citizens will die during bad pursuit outcomes.
Recent event in Tampa. 4 bystanders killed, 11 injured. This has it all. A pursuit over speeding, an attempted PIT maneuver, chase abandoned for safety, then the perp ends up plowing into a crowd anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DFtjsLThLE
I completely agree that the US has gone too far with permissive criminality such as decriminalizing shoplifting and such. But we also don’t want thuggish officers killing mentally unstable people over traffic violations (not saying that is what happened here).
My answer for these specific scenarios is require all cars to have a remote disable device the police can activate. The libertarian in my screams NO though.
Example, ironically from MN:
“General Motors was electronically tracking a stolen Buick Envista and notified police the vehicle was in Saint Paul. Officers located the vehicle and began following it in a SPPD marked squad as it entered westbound I-94 from Highway 52. General Motors then remotely disabled the vehicle” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCjvcgRmA8
Viewer discretion advised, bad outcome for driver.
Russell Klier wrote: “he was standing behind the vehicle and walked around the passenger side to stand directly in front. ”
I have not seen a video that shows that.
Derek H,
“… building our existent capabilities with each step albeit not at the glacial pace NASA was proceeding at.”
Glacial is very generous. (And a terrible boondoggle!). If anyone wants to visit Mars within the lifetime of my youngest grandchild (4), NASA needs to not be involved in the effort.
Really: NASA is not fit for space exploration….. it is more like a pot of money to dispense to the favored in ‘aerospace’.
Tom,
There’s a balance, yes. I’d prefer for my stupid kid not to be shot and killed for a bad judgement call at a political protest. I still feel like right now the pendulum ought to be swinging towards more strict, but. Eh.
Tom Scharf,
“The libertarian in my screams NO though.”
Really bad idea.
Way too trusting. I wonder how long it would be before the disabling device was duplicated by carjackers.
SteveF —
I believe Heinlein and Pournelle both felt NASA needed to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up as far back as the late 70s/early 80s. They complained NASA had been infiltrated or infected by too many bureaucrats looking for a safe civil service job instead of the forward thinking engineers that populated the agency in its early days.
We will see if Isaacman can shake things up at the agency. I hope he will. One thing about SpaceX launches, you can see the Apollo-era enthusiasm return on every face in their control room. We need more of that.
Many cars already have remote disable features. BMW’s have had it for 20 years. They are rarely used for this type of thing. For theft the car’s starter is remotely disabled and not allowed to start again but disabling while in motion is not permitted. This requires a police report and police authorization allegedly.
Some low end car lenders also install 3rd party GPS / disabling devices for recovery.
The thing about violent perps….. not just in cars….. that cause tragedies: Usually there are plenty of reasons (AKA convictions) for them to have been sitting in a prison cell instead of causing death(s). That is not always the case, but very often is.
Sentence convicted felons to prison, and treat those who are mentally ill. This would dramatically reduce serious crimes.
I think we should have gone directly to Mars because it is entirely predictable that NASA would take forever to get to the moon and spend ungodly sums doing it. Today’s NASA is not the NASA of the 1960’s. Be bold. It’s hard but as Kennedy said we do these things because they are hard.
I recently bought this photo book. Pretty good and had a lot of stuff I hadn’t seen before.
“We will see if Isaacman can shake things up at the agency. ”
Sure, but don’t hold your breath. This is the ‘zero-risk-cost-plus’ crowd, and they are not going to willingly change. If he fires most people, he can make changes, but I expect he can’t do that because these are GS-scale employees, not spaceX employees.
Tom Scharf,
“TLDR, pay SpaceX to take a man to Mars.”
That would last until Jan 2, 2027, when Dems gain a majority in the House. Those who support free speech and government efficiency are not…. ahem…. ‘favored’ by Dems.
This is not clear cut for either side. Welcome to the reality of law enforcement. They conveniently leave out what the video implies the motives of the driver are here.
I don’t find it at all surprising that people — not just billionaires — are fleeing these “Peoples’ Workers’ Paradises” of California, New York, Massachusetts, etc. What astonishes me is that the Washington Post not only mentions it but analyzes actual data and reports on it honestly — and more the point, puts it in an editorial. Maybe Bezos really does want the Post to make money again by reporting honestly.
I had job offers in California when I retired from the military oh so many years ago. Since the people mentioning the jobs to me were former bosses, I thanked them for the offers but told them honestly that I don’t know what it would take to get me to move to California but it couldn’t possibly be economically viable for the companies in question.
Colorado is rapidly becoming Eastern California which means many people I know have been or are making plans to move out. The potheads, unrepetentant hippies, and advocates of large intrusive government can have the state.
“Colorado is rapidly becoming Eastern California”
I have relatives there. Yes, it’s California-lite, but gaining weight. 😉
So far, they have held the line at a flat 4.55% rate, but I wouldn’t count on that continuing.
The only comment by a public official which makes sense to me is by Tom Homan, who said (in a CBS interview yesterday) that it doesn’t make sense to pre-judge; let the investigation proceed and if it is found that the officer was deficient in his duty, he will be held accountable. Trump & Noem — “clearly self-defense” — and [Minneapolis mayor] Frey — “that’s bs” — rushing to judgment are all being irresponsible, fanning the flames.
That said, we private citizens can form our opinions. I think the officer should not have been standing in front of the car as the other officers approached and demanded that the driver exit the car. His position created the circumstances in which the driver’s panicked(?) exit endangered him. I can well understand that he felt in danger of his life. So the first shot (into the windshield) seems justified. The shots through the side window seem to be improper, as the immediate threat had passed. Hold him accountable for those. YMMV.
HaroldW,
Someone has just hit you with their car and you have fired a shot through the windshield as that happened. As the car accelerates past you ~0.3 second later, what do you do?
Viewed in real time, you can see that everything happened in about 1 second. I would be cautious about assuming the ICE agent knew (or could know) the driver’s intentions.
Holman is right: we should wait for the investigation.
In the mean time, ICE should continue to round up illegal aliens in Minneapolis and elsewhere.
Harold, your post:
“I think the officer should not have been standing in front of the car as the other officers approached and demanded that the driver exit the car. His position created the circumstances in which the driver’s panicked(?) exit endangered him.”
I agree with you, but it’s even more egregious than that.
The shooter was standing behind the vehicle as the other officers approached and he walked up the passenger side of the vehicle and stood directly in front of it, ensuring that it became a confrontational situation.
Here is another angle of the incident showing the shooter behind the vehicle and walking up the right side: https://x.com/peopleperson__/status/2008962336216719653?s=20
ps… I agree it’s too early to be drawing conclusions like this.
So, I don’t know about y’all. I do drills where I fire three times (two to the chest one to the head) and then pause to assess. The thing is, sometimes it takes more than one shot to stop a threat. Once you’ve decided to shoot, it’s for keeps; you need to stop the threat. I don’t know how harshly we should judge an agent who, having made the decision to stop the threat, shot three times to make sure the threat was stopped.
[In fact, this is ‘the failure to stop’ drill]
The officer was filming with his phone behind the car which suggests he was getting identifying information on the vehicle. Perhaps he was walking around to get video of the driver.
The best “story” for him would be that he was getting info (vehicle / person) to later charge the driver with obstruction and he was then going to move along with their duties and then things unexpectedly escalated. Maybe that’s even what happened. He behaved as if he wasn’t expecting the car to move, after all the car looked to be intentionally blocking traffic.
Russell Klier wrote: “The shooter was standing behind the vehicle as the other officers approached and he walked up the passenger side of the vehicle and stood directly in front of it”
He walked up the passenger side before the other officers arrived, although he may have known they were arriving. We don’t know why he did that. As Tom says, he may have been getting on with other duties. He did not stand directly in front of the vehicle, he stood off to the passenger side. He was in front of the vehicle when the driver backed up and turned.
He certainly did not ensure a confrontation; there driver did that. Law enforcement is under no obligation to back down from a confrontation. Usually it is just the opposite.
Holman is right about waiting for the investigation. But if people are going to hurl accusations at the ICE agent; then it is appropriate to counter those accusations.
Mike,
He certainly did not ensure a confrontation; there driver did that. Law enforcement is under no obligation to back down from a confrontation. Usually it is just the opposite.
If the people here really believe police need to avoid confrontational situations at all costs, I really strongly recommend everybody arm themselves.
Just saying.
MB
“[In fact, this is ‘the failure to stop’ drill]“
Having seen too many John Wick movies I appreciate the concept of a double tap type technique to immobilise and eliminate any further threat to one’s life from armed assailants. It also explains the logic behind that Capitol Hill shooting on Jan 6th.
Or a boxer or MMA fighter continuing to pummel
a beaten opponent.
I can see the logic clearly.
Which is what is needed to justify the morality of the action.
Which unfortunately seems to transform into before and after assessment.
Before You should/ must do it.
After did you have to do it?
No answer to this dilemma.
Before You should/ must do it.
After did you have to do it?
Life is ugly this way, sometimes we have to kill people who are trying to kill us, or be killed ourselves. I don’t like killing animals. This said, if somebody is threatening my life and I’m armed, I’m going to stop the threat. I’m pretty sure there is no moral issue here. I don’t have to lay down and die to be moral. Don’t try to kill me, don’t recklessly do things that might kill me. Those are bad ideas.
Mark,your post:
“If the people here really believe police need to avoid confrontational situations at all costs, I really strongly recommend everybody arm themselves.
Just saying.”
The shooter wasn’t confronting a violent criminal. He was confronting a fat lady protester. There is a time for confrontation; this wasn’t it.
Russell,
If a fat lady is behind the wheel of a big SUV and is reckless enough to hit me with it, she’s a threat. You can go ahead and let fat lady protesters roll rampant through your locale, hitting people with her car in hysterics or recklessness or cold blood or whatever in hell it was. In my neck of the woods though, that lady is likely to get shot.
The lady was armed with her moving vehicle. She doesn’t get shot for standing in the road or on a sidewalk. There were plenty of those at the scene and they all went home.
Circumstantial evidence is she FAFO. I don’t think this should have ended this way but you can’t engage in antagonizing protests with your moving vehicle, attempt to flee, and assume things will not end badly for you. Even if the citizens judge the agent acted improperly, you are still dead. It’s not a good deal.
I’m sorry she was killed but she shares responsibility for her own reckless behavior. There is two way accountability here even if we hold law enforcement to a higher standard.
Tom, your post:
“I’m sorry she was killed but she shares responsibility for her own reckless behavior. There is two way accountability here even if we hold law enforcement to a higher standard.”
I agree with that. My reaction was because there was a huge outpouring of support for the officer long before it was time. I agree with Tom Holman there’s a lot of discovery that needs to go on before decisions are made.
I objected to prematurely exonerating the shooter, just because he was a member of law enforcement.
Russell Klier wrote: “I objected to prematurely exonerating the shooter, just because he was a member of law enforcement.”
I object to prematurely condemning the officer just because he is a member of law enforcement. There is no harm in giving the officer the benefit of the doubt pending an investigation. There is great harm in rushing to unfairly condemn him.
massive riots are going on in Iran
Not legally relevant but likely relevant to the agent’s state of mind.
The ICE officer who fatally shot a Minnesota woman Wednesday was previously dragged by a car during an immigration enforcement operation in June, DHS spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said.
During the June incident, ICE officers in Minneapolis attempted to arrest Roberto Carlos Muñoz-Guatemala during a traffic stop. He was in the country illegally, DHS said in a news release, and was previously “arrested for domestic assault and convicted of sex crimes against an underage teenager.”
When the man refused to comply, the officer broke his car window and reached inside, getting his arm stuck, according to court documents. When the man attempted to drive away, he dragged the officer, which was captured on video.
The officer suffered multiple lacerations and needed 33 stitches to close his wounds, according to court documents from the June incident, which identified the agent as Jonathan Ross. NBC News reached out to DHS requesting comment from Ross.
Tom Scharf,
“Not legally relevant but likely relevant to the agent’s state of mind.”
I’d guess so. After the shooting, the guy was limping slightly as he walked away, while holstering his gun.
Grok….
The four-person crew affected by the medical issue (NASA’s SpaceX Crew-11 mission) will return to Earth early aboard their SpaceX Crew Dragon spacecraft (named Endeavour), which they used to travel to the ISS in August 2025.
• The crew consists of NASA astronauts Mike Fincke and Zena Cardman, JAXA astronaut Kimiya Yui, and Roscosmos cosmonaut Oleg Platonov.
• One unidentified crew member developed a serious but stable medical condition on January 7, 2026, that cannot be fully diagnosed or treated on the ISS (this marks the first such medical evacuation in the station’s 25-year history).
• NASA decided on January 8 to end the mission ahead of schedule rather than wait for the planned mid-February handover to Crew-12.
• The Dragon will undock from the ISS “in the coming days” (exact timeline to be announced soon, likely within the next 48 hours as of January 8), perform a deorbit burn, and splash down in the ocean off the Florida coast (standard recovery site), where NASA flight surgeons and SpaceX recovery teams will be waiting—with extra medical support on standby for the affected astronaut.
So I got to wondering about the security of the 60% enriched uranium that Iran has been stockpiling.
In times such as now, maybe unscrupulous actors within Iran may try to sell some off to the highest bidder. Maybe the regime itself may want to sell it off to a third-party state like Korea.
Both ChatGPT and Grok have assured me my fears are unfounded.
What do they know!
“wondering about the security of the 60% enriched uranium that Iran has been stockpiling”
More reason to hope that is was all underground prior to Operation Midnight Hammer. In which case it is safely buried.
The Soviets had huge quantities of everything when they collapsed, including biological weapons. Most importantly they had a lot of nuclear scientists that weren’t getting paid with very eager Nork / Iranian regimes looking for knowledge. IIRC the west actually gave money to pay these scientists so they wouldn’t leave.
The “Nunn-Lugar” Program (1991)
Named after Senators Sam Nunn and Richard Lugar, the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) program was the primary vehicle for this effort.
The Problem: By 1992, many Soviet nuclear scientists were earning the equivalent of less than $10 to $50 a month, and some had not been paid in half a year.
The Solution: The U.S. began paying these scientists to dismantle the very weapons they had built.
Impact: The program eventually provided civilian employment for over 22,000 former weapons scientists across the former Soviet Union.
2. International Science and Technology Center (ISTC)
In 1992, the U.S., the European Union, and Japan established the ISTC in Moscow (with a sister center in Ukraine).
Direct Grants: Between 1994 and 2009, this center funneled over $836 million in grants to roughly 73,000 scientists.
Peaceful Research: The money was specifically used to redirect experts away from weapons of mass destruction toward peaceful civilian research, such as environmental science, fusion energy, and public health.
AFAICT none of the bad stuff ever got out, but the Norks and Iran developed nukes, hard to say if this was a factor.
The article picture is the typical menacing ICE agents doing their thing, but I wonder if the author, editor, or majority of readers know this guy is holding a paintball gun. I think they use pepper balls in these for riot control.
Trump is now supporting a stronger congressional action on sanctioning Russian oil sales.
All I can say is that it’s about time.
“The legislation (often called the Sanctioning Russia Act) would allow Trump to impose tariffs up to 500% on imports from countries buying Russian energy exports, aiming to cut off funding for Russia’s war machine.l
Grok
I suppose this would be targeted mostly at India and China, but I’m not sure that.
Russian oil exports can’t really be stopped unless there is an alternative source of oil. OIl supply has been increasing. Venezuela will help a bit, although a big increase will take time. But as supply improves, it becomes possible to put the screws on Russian exports.
Trump’s ballroom starts to come into focus: 20,000 sq ft ballroom, to seat up to 1,000. Large “commercial grade” kitchen facilities. Total area on two floors of ~40,000 sq ft (not 90,000!).
No doubt secret space below
20,000 sq ft for 1,000 is pretty generous (more typically ~15 sq ft.).
As the car starts moving forward he is directly in front of the vehicle, he starts moving to avoid the car, a glancing blow occurs.
The additional info here is that the driver starts moving forward with an agent close and directly in front of the car, perhaps she is looking at the other agent? This is going to support the agent’s case.
AFAICT she starts moving forward while turning her wheels so the initial movement forward has the agent directly in front of the car and the car moving straight ahead. Not clear how the agent would know this was an escape versus an attack (I still maintain that he shouldn’t have placed himself there but that is another discussion).
This camera also showed the car had been sitting in the middle of the road for 3 minutes so it isn’t a bad luck turn around confusion thing.
Unverified info shows she was at the protest with her wife as a participant so not likely to be an innocent bystander unrelated to the protest.
He correctly identifies every one of the reasons Dems have adopted the 30% side of 70/30 issues, but then suggests they can just stop supporting crazy policies and return to being the party of Bill Clinton (and John Kennedy!). Somehow he has forgotten the hard part: policies like endless DEI, open borders, mandated electric cars, wealth confiscation, global government, ‘gender affirming care’ for minors, etc, are exactly what the Democrat “base” insists on, and they are not likely to change their minds on any of those issues. The party has reached this juncture because all the “motivated moderates” have simply retired or died, and been replaced by people indoctrinated in socialism…… leftist control of everything.
He does correctly point out that the craziest represent “only” 9% to 11%, of voters…. but that avoids addressing the more relevant number: the crazies are fully a third of ALL Dems, and they are the ones who select candidates in primary elections. The crazies set basic policy for the party by excluding from office anybody who refuses to accept their preferred policies, on every important issue.
We need look no further that the Dem base’s reaction to John Fetterman (eg “Fetterman has become mentally ill”) to see that Teixeira is operating in a dreamland.
FYI: When identity theft comes your way…
There is a Fair Credit Reporting Act law that requires credit agencies to remove these debt collector items if you file an identity theft report with the FTC (https://www.identitytheft.gov/). You have to send the agencies this report and other ID information such as driver’s license, utility bill, etc.
You can place fraud alerts with the credit agencies so anyone who does a hard credit check must call you by phone before the info is released. You can also do a full credit freeze for an ongoing situation.
I remember there was a scramble inside the USG after the fall of the Soviet Union to find reasons — any reasons — to offer premiere Soviet scientists some kind of work as an alternative to working for bad guys. The underlying assumption was that these scientists didn’t want to work for bad guys but they still needed to eat and feed their families.
If I recall correctly, the Departments of Defense and Energy were getting a lot of top-level research done for a fraction of what it would have cost with US researchers and it was augmenting rather than replacing the US-based research because Congress agreed to additional funding to keep Soviet scientists from working for our enemies.
Tom Scharf,
“The additional info here is that the driver starts moving forward with an agent close and directly in front of the car, perhaps she is looking at the other agent? This is going to support the agent’s case.”
Then there will be riots (a la George Floyd) to make up for that.
I do think people interfering with ICE operations will be a little more careful about how they drive their cars around ICE agents.
“I do think people interfering with ICE operations will be a little more careful about how they drive their cars around ICE agents.”
Yup.
“….that the driver starts moving forward with an agent close and directly in front of the car”
Well, that’s an admission that the agent was close and in front of the car. So, that’s a problem for the driver and tend to exonerate the agent. Even if her state of mind wasn’t to run him down, the ICE couldn’t possibly know that she wasn’t accelerating into him on purpose.
And look, she was also trying to evade arrest. This isn’t merely the sort of “not seeing” that might happen in a parking lot at Walmart.
In the first video I saw, I mistook who shot. I thought it was the 2nd agent who clearly was not in front. But he’s not the guy. The second one– I could see the agent. He was in a situation where, at least for the 1st shot, the vehicle is being accelerated into him. He jumped and shot. I’m not sure what else he could do.
Second and third shot? I don’t know about the law on that. I don’t have a gun. Different juries members will weigh the question of just how quickly he’s supposed to register he is no longer in the path of the car. Different people will judge differently. And there is a question of precisely what the law says.
It’s not as if he clearly decided to continue to shoot a fleeing body with plenty of time to decide. But, in retrospect, it does look like at the time of the later shots he wasn’t in danger of being run over. That’s what the tapes look like to me.
It looks like the lady was part of an organized effort to disrupt ICE operations, and had some “training” about using her car to stop ICE from moving on the streets. (Turned out to be an unwise choice.)
If that is true, you can add conspiracy to the other charges against those involved. Only extended prison sentences will stop these folks.
Lucia,
After the first shot the agent may not have had any idea if other agents remained in the car’s path. All three shots took place in about half a second; there wasn’t a lot of time for accessing potential danger.
SteveF,
I agree. The three shots happened fast. I don’t know how responsible someone is supposed to be in noticing that you are now out of danger before shooting again. I would think the standard shouldn’t be demanding the impossible.
The first shot: as far as I can see she was driving at him. And I don’t think whether she “intended” to drive over him matters to what his actions should be. Her intention would matter if she was being charged with something– that’s part of mens rea for her— but nothing to do with his mens rea.
By noting that he was out of the way on the 2nd and 3rd shots, I’m not making a value judgement about responsibility. I’m just nothing that appears to be “the situation” aka “a fact”. But yes, it was also very quick. That’s another observation of “the situation”– not value judgement.
For the agent: He definitely had cause to fear for himself when he took shot 1.
Against the agent: He personally was no longer in danger from the car when he fired shots 2 and 3 through the window (one of which almost had to be the kill shot).
For the agent: Timing was so fast, he almost couldn’t know that other agents were not endangered by the vehicle anymore. Threat training generally says once you’ve made the decision to fire, you put the threat down until you can reassess the situation.
Upshot: To quote the knight at the end of “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade”, she “chose poorly.” If I were at DHS, this would be incorporated into training simulations but this is one of those cases where there probably isn’t any right answer for the agents. Making allowances for violent activists to choose poorly just results in them getting more violent or active.
By rights, all the people who are promoting the violence toward ICE and DHS ought to called on the carpet for their roles in this — but the left-wing media will never do that.
The first shot went through the lower windshield area, there is a hole in it. It’s not clear but my guess is the 2nd / 3rd shot was the fatal one through the driver window and the agent will need to answer for that. She was pretty unlucky with the trajectory of that one.
It all happened in about a second so his answer is likely to be there was no time to assess and his training kicked in blah blah blah.
The shooter walked from the back of the car to the front and intentionally put himself in harms way. I don’t think that would be approved protocol. Did he think he was gonna block the car with his body?
DaveJR,
We won’t be getting a better view than that.
Not helpful for the deceased lady and the other overly aggressive lady (her wife?) who tried to enter the car pretty much sets up a hostile intent situation.
I can see why this video was leaked.
This legal case is over.
I keep hearing that the car is a lethal weapon. This car was not a lethal weapon until the shooter placed himself in front of it.
Russell,
I think that question on protocol / policy is correct but the remedy is not criminal indictment but instead retraining or discipline.
He appears to be gathering information to charge these people and the aggressive lady appears to think the same thing with her comments on license plates.
This video puts the intent of the driver in a much different light. The “mom / poet just helping her neighbors” narrative is gone and the agent who did the shooting directly receiving hostile words makes it easy to believe he perceived hostile intent.
In fact I’m no really so sure she was escaping now. Why did she leave her passenger behind?
Then again maybe this is just an AI fake, ha ha.
Russell Klier: “The shooter walked from the back of the car to the front and intentionally put himself in harms way.”
Two problems with that. First, you do not know his intent in walking along the side of the car. Second, he was not in the path of the car until the driver turned the car toward him. He was forward of the car, but off to the right.
I won’t reiterate my points, you all have heard what I had to say.
Re the video linked by DaveJR:
Wow. So there was a passenger; no indication of that in the earlier videos. And she got out of the car and was taunting the agents. And the shooter walking along the side of the car may have been part of his interaction with the passenger. And the passenger was about to get back into the car when the driver started to move forward.
Her passenger (wife?) told her to “drive, drive!” right before she gunned the engine and left. Not on the top ten list of best advice ever given.
Video from the scene shows Renee Good’s wife, Rebecca Brown Good, in distress immediately after the shooting, saying that she encouraged Renee to attend the location where ICE agents were operating.
In the video, taken by BIGSLEEZ YUP, she can be heard saying, “I made her come down here. It’s my fault.”
It’s all pretty tragic, but the wife here has a lot of long sleepless nights ahead of her. In my eyes she is the closest thing to an actual villain in this drama.
Hey interesting (?) footnote. I remember some discussion where people here were arguing that sexual orientation just is what it is and doesn’t change. This lady apparently was married to a guy before hooking up with this other woman. Now, of course it’s possible and perhaps even probable that she married a guy she felt no sexual attraction for whatsoever, because the patriarchy forced her to and so on and so forth. I suggest it is also possible that this lady had a ‘woke’ secular religious awakening, and found a same sex partner and a mission in Minneapolis. [It’s at least approximately equally likely that she hooked up with a woman she has no sexual attraction to, if we postulate that everybody just has a fixed preference; she must’ve been with somebody she wasn’t interested in in this case. Or, maybe bisexuality really is a thing, could be that too.]
I’m talking out of my butt as usual, I have no evidence. Just hunches and wild speculation.
Tom Scharf
It all happened in about a second so his answer is likely to be there was no time to assess and his training kicked in blah blah blah.
I think there was no time to assess. So that’s true.
Russell
The shooter walked from the back of the car to the front and intentionally put himself in harms way. I don’t think that would be approved protocol. Did he think he was gonna block the car with his body?
That might not be approve protocol. Or maybe it’s ok. I have no idea.
But either way I don’t think it takes away from the fact that she accelerated into him. Getting to ram an officer with your car doesn’t become a right even if he violates protocol.
Sure. Maybe the officer would have his hand slapped for violating protocol… But that’s separate from the next bit which is what he’s allowed to do if someone accelerates into him.
Russell
until the shooter placed himself in front of it.
Sure. It’s only a weapon when someone is in it’s path.
But are you trying to make a larger point? A knife is not a lethal weapon until you put it in someone’s hand. A car is not a lethal weapon until she hits the accelerator.
He didn’t dive in front of an already moving car. He stood in front of a motionless car. It became a lethal weapon when she hit the accelerator– same as a knife is a lethal weapon when you move to stick someone with it.
She was married (to a man), had two children, divorced, married another man and had a third child. The second husband died some time ago. She then married her current significant other. The third child was living with her but will likely now live with paternal grandparents. The first two live with their father (AFAIK).
“drive!” is the worst advice ever.
So Gemini doesn’t think much of my speculation. It lectured me about ‘late blooming lesbians’ but argued that people can change and that this lady might have had genuine love and romantic attachment to her first two male husbands and still just been a late blooming lesbian.
Actually I have no real quarrel with this idea. I still have a hunch; this lady ‘radicalized’ at some point, probably because of Trump’s election and the tide turning against woke. I don’t care that her husband says she was never an activist, I’m sure that was so back in the day. I still think she got infected by the mind virus and moved to Minneapolis to fight for her leftist ideas, maybe to raise her kid to be a good little commie.
You know, I apologize. I ask y’all to believe me when I tell you I didn’t misrepresent what was said deliberately, it was merely a deficit in my recollection. The argument was made that people don’t have arbitrary voluntary control over what they find sexually attractive, not that people ‘don’t change’. Sorry about that.
This agent has the fastest gun draw on earth, OMG.
The wife is a real piece of work based on my 10 seconds of knowledge, no doubt she’s wearing the pants in this relationship.
I just don’t get the vocal harassment aspect. I understand they disagree with what ICE is doing but this behavior is pointless. Just performative for her peers and emotionally satisfying I suppose. This dude is doing his job, the voters basically asked for this, yell at the politicians.
This attitude happens in zillions of cop bodycam videos and this guy did what almost every other cop does which is just ignore it completely. The chances of things not going well for you increases exponentially with this attitude as the cops have a large amount of discretion.
MN may reflexively try to indict him since they have publicly taken a maximalist position but I don’t see this one going anywhere.
mark bofill,
‘late blooming lesbians’
Who knows? More importantly: Who cares?
No matter the complexity of their ‘orientation’, whoever was sitting in that seat was going to get shot, unless they acted differently.
I do wonder if the DOJ is preparing arrests of all the other drivers who were involved in blocking ICE agents……. the license plates were visible.
Tom Scharf,
“MN may reflexively try to indict him since they have publicly taken a maximalist position but I don’t see this one going anywhere.”
Agreed. They have a difficult hill to climb. They have to initially defer to the Federal investigative result; If they don’t like that, they can try to prosecute, but the case would likely go up the chain of command in the Federal Courts, and any Federal court along the way could say: “forgettaboutit”. Based on available information, it is hard to see the conservatives on the SC ever allowing a state prosecution. YMMV.
Multiple shots fired. A common example of use of force that would previously not be given a second look. Cops do not mess around with moving vehicles that they deem threatening.
What is fundamentally lacking in legacy media frame by frame analysis is explanations of how cops behave. Many times they don’t shoot in these instances but many times they do.
Secretary Rubio may be wasting his time on this trip to Denmark…..
Excerpts from a Statement from the Premier of Greenland
“We do not wish to be Americans. We do not wish to be Danes. We wish to be Greenlanders.”
“Greenland is a country governed in accordance with the Self-Government Act and international law. The Government of Greenland and the Inatsisartut are elected by the people of Greenland, and through this mandate they cooperate with the United States and other Western countries—a cooperation that will continue in the future.”
“We stand together in our right to our country, now and for all time.”
“Greenland belongs to the Greenlandic people.”
I noticed this buried in an article about someone arrested for taking photos of an AF base:
Court documents indicate that Wu is a Chinese national who illegally entered the United States on June 22, 2023 and was arrested at that time by immigration authorities. However, due to lack of detention space Wu was released on his own recognizance to await immigration removal proceedings originally scheduled for Feb. 9, 2027.
Three and a half years before a hearing! That’s messed up.
“Secretary Rubio may be wasting his time on this trip to Denmark”
Depends on what he is trying to accomplish. He is not going to come back with Greenland. But he might come back with some concessions from the Danes re defense and/or mineral development.
Mike,
The comments from the President of Greenland indicates that we should be dealing with him not Denmark. This presents an interesting conundrum.
The earliest date for the launch of the manned [and womanned] moonshot is February 6th. There is lots of skepticism about making that date. Here is a graphic of launch windows in February, March, and April: https://x.com/TLPN_Official/status/2009788222440931556?s=20
Harold W,
“Three and a half years before a hearing! That’s messed up.”
Messed up or not, it was the direct result of Democrats absolutely opposing the enforcement of immigration laws, just as we saw this week in Minneapolis. If they don’t like the immigration laws, then they should try to pass new laws….. not subvert the existing laws. Seems subversion (laws, constitution), is always the go-to method for the left, since any honest effort would fail.
I suspect the same fellow entering today would be instantly deported.
In a truly shocking (shocking!!) development, the rump of Maduro’s regime has begun releasing political prisoners. Maybe Trump gave them one of those offers you can’t refuse: You release the political prisoners, and you get to stay alive.
There is a “blue hole” in the estuary flats just southwest of AbCo Island in the Bahamas. The blue hole accumulates fine sediment (mud) continuously, but when a hurricane passes close by, coarser (sand-like) particles are deposited in a layer, marking the hurricane.
Researches examined hurricane frequency since before 1300 to now, and discovered that the frequency of hurricanes during the “little ice age” was MUCH higher than since then. During the Spanish era (about 1492 to 1650) hurricanes were more than twice a frequent. So all those lost Spanish galleons loaded with gold and silver were subject to far greater risks due to the little Ice age.
Global temperature gradients are smaller during warm periods than cold periods. Since turning heat into work requires temperature differences, it is not surprising that hurricanes are worse during cold periods.
I’m pretty skeptical of these hurricane proxies. Maybe we should get Michael Mann to reanalyze, it sounds like the base rate needs to recalibrated to support what we all know is happening, catastrophic warming.
Indiana is a very good football team. They will be playing for the national championship a week from Monday.
Two things are surprising, Indiana hasn’t had a good football team in 50 years and most of the players are white guys.
Tom
Maybe we should get Michael Mann to reanalyze,
😉
The CFP has been pretty good this year. I’ll be rooting for Indiana. Talk about a zero to hero story, that’s Hollywood worthy if they win it all.
Amendment to “in a perfect world” scenario.
1. Good engages in civil disobedience by blocking road.
2. She is given a lawful command to exit the vehicle.
3. She exits the vehicle and is given a law enforcement obstruction citation
4. Everyone goes about their day still alive.
The thing that many people object to is the mentality that civil disobedience should come with no consequences because they think they are right about everything. Nope.
Historically the courts have dismissed charges almost universally for non-violent protest related offenses (until Jan 6th). The process is enough punishment in this view. Personally I’d like civil disobedience to have a reasonable price to pay. The current incentives are unbalanced. The laws in Florida were changed for some protests and lo and behold civil disobedience behavior changed.
Florida Law:
2. Obstruction of Public Streets (Section 316.2045)
Florida law makes it illegal to “willfully obstruct” the free use of any public street or highway.
Standard Violation: Standing in a street to block traffic is generally a pedestrian violation (civil infraction), punishable by a fine (typically around $15).
Aggravated Riot: Under the 2021 law, if law enforcement deems a gathering a “riot,” anyone blocking traffic by “force or threat of force” can be charged with aggravated rioting, which is a second-degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
3. Driver Immunity and Liability
One of the most controversial aspects of the recent legal changes involves “motor vehicle incidents” during protests.
Liability Protections: While a 2017-era proposal to give drivers total immunity for hitting protesters did not pass, the 2021 law includes provisions that make it harder for protesters to recover damages if they are injured while participating in a “riot”.
Ongoing Legislation: As of late 2025, there have been continued legislative efforts to create “affirmative defenses” for drivers in civil cases if their vehicle is surrounded by a crowd deemed to be rioting.
Basically FL wants to allow Stop Oil protesters sitting on a road to be run over, ha ha.
Also if you are arrested during FL’s broad definition of a riot then you must spend the night in jail, no immediate bond out.
Notably the standard is “reasonable officer” and not “reasonable citizen”.
Tom Scharf,
Don’t worry, the paper was in Nature, and had the appropriate introductory cant about the increase in frequency of “extreme storms” due to global warming, but that wasn’t really part of the paper. The humor was that the data were very clear: an era with colder average temperatures had much higher hurricane frequency.
“Talk about a zero to hero story, that’s Hollywood worthy if they win it all.”
Hollywood doesn’t usually tell stories about Indiana.
“Hollywood doesn’t usually tell stories about Indiana.”
Well, there’s “Hoosiers”…but I agree, many more movies about LA or NYC.
Tom,
“ I’ll be rooting for Indiana.”
it’s like rooting for Rudy! But I gotta go with my Miami Hurricanes, although I don’t think they have much of a chance.
There is astrange event happening… there is only one US military aircraft in the skys from the north Atlantic, thru Europe to Asia.
I believe there are a bunch more, but they have their transponders turned off. maybe Trump is playing mind games.
Screenshot at 3:30 PM Florida time: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2010086471672438945?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
this has been a reliable OSINT source in the past……
Chuck Pfarrer:
ON FIRE: Sources report that 1.5-1.85 million Iranians have taken to the streets tonight. They are battling security forces in more than 180 cities and 512 locations in all 31 provinces. The protests can now officially be called a revolution. https://x.com/chuckpfarrer/status/2010063955331559487?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Gemini’s take:
Based on the reports from early January 2026, yes, a major uprising with revolutionary characteristics is currently taking place in Iran.
Observers and intelligence reports (such as those from the Institute for the Study of War and human rights organizations) describe the current situation as the most significant challenge to the Islamic Republic since the 1979 revolution, surpassing the scale of the 2022 “Woman, Life, Freedom” movement.
Here is an overview of the situation as of January 10, 2026:
1. The Current Situation (January 2026)
Scale of Unrest: Massive anti-regime protests have spread to all 31 provinces. Reports indicate that millions of Iranians have taken to the streets.
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Terminology: While initially sparked by economic grievances, the movement is now widely characterized as a “revolution” or “uprising” by analysts and participants, with explicit demands for the overthrow of the Islamic Republic.
Casualties: The crackdown has been lethal. Reports estimate hundreds of deaths (with one source citing at least 217 killed in Tehran alone) and thousands of arrests. Hospitals in major cities like Tehran and Shiraz are reportedly overwhelmed.
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State of Control: The regime has imposed a near-total internet and telephone blackout to hide the scale of the violence. Security forces, including the IRGC Ground Forces, have been deployed to suppress the population, but the protests have continued to expand in both rate and magnitude.
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2. Triggers and Timeline
The unrest began on December 28, 2025, starting with shopkeepers in Tehran’s Grand Bazaar, but quickly spiraled into a nationwide political revolt. Key triggers include:
Economic Collapse: The Iranian Rial reportedly crashed to record lows (around 1.45 million per USD) following a year of “economic freefall.”
The “12-Day War”: A conflict with Israel in June 2025 reportedly damaged much of Iran’s air defenses and nuclear infrastructure, significantly weakening the regime’s military standing and internal authority.
Political Vacuum: Analysts suggest the regime is “crumbling” due to a loss of legitimacy, internal fissures, and an inability to project power following the military humiliations of 2025.
3. Key Figures and Dynamics
Opposition Leadership: Unlike previous leaderless movements, this wave has seen more organized calls for action. Reza Pahlavi, the exiled Crown Prince, has actively called for protests, and chants favoring the monarchy (e.g., “Javid Shah”) have been reported alongside “Death to the Dictator.”
Government Response: Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has vowed a harsh crackdown, labeling protesters as agents of foreign powers.
International Context: The geopolitical tension is high. U.S. President Donald Trump has threatened intervention if the killing of protesters continues, adding external pressure to the regime’s internal crisis.
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Summary
While the Islamic Republic has not fallen, it is currently facing an existential crisis. The protests are no longer limited to reformist demands but are seeking a complete change of government, making this a revolutionary moment in Iranian history.
Would you like me to look up the latest updates on the international reaction from the US or Israel regarding these specific events?
We will see!
It sure has become an information blackout in Iran.
If you are an Iranian citizen you have to be asking what all this Death To America and Death To Israel revolutionary bluster has gotten you over the past many decades.
I wouldn’t put it past Trump (errrr … Israel) to take out the Ayatollah. That would be unthinkable a year ago, but he has backed up some of his warnings with action lately. As a precursor to any event I think we let the Iranians deal with their own dirty laundry.
Killing the Ayatollah, no matter how much he deserves it, might not be a good choice.. Too many devout muslims would take offense.
Nothing in principle wrong with decapitating an evil repressive regime that murders its citizens. The error is trying sew on a new head afterward.
Better to leave the entire mess that is Iran to the Iranians.
Steve,
That is both poetic and profound. Albeit somewhat grotesque as well…
Another reliable OSINT source (10 PM):
“Reminder that there is not a single U.S. Carrier Strike Group currently deployed to the Middle East, and the closest carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), is in the South China Sea and would take several days if not a week to reach Iran. It is extremely unlikely and incredibly risky to launch strikes against Iran without a carrier – or two – in the region, so if Trump does order a strike against Iran, it likely won’t take place for at least a week and preparations would be very evident from movements by the U.S. Navy and Air Force. “ https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2010166736775999776?s=61
remember yesterday at 2:32 PM, when I posted that I couldn’t see any US military aircraft over Europe or Asia and I speculated that they were there flying with their transponders is turned off. I couldn’t figure out what was going on…..
Well US CENTCOM posted this:
“TAMPA, Fla. – Today, at approximately 12:30 p.m. Eastern Time, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, alongside partner forces, conducted large-scale strikes against multiple ISIS targets across Syria.” https://x.com/centcom/status/2010089772120002721?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
ISW has a post pointing out that the widespread reported uprisings in Iran are probably only a fraction of the actual number taking place. They point out that the regime has blacked out most Internet services and only people with things like Starlink are able to transmit to the rest of the world what is going on. https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2010180125321494856?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Reports are emerging that the US deployed a new ‘nonlethal’ weapon in Venezuela that incapacitated the enemy personnel and greatly facilitated Maduro’s capture. Possibly a high powered pulsed microwave system. Reports indicate enemy personnel bled from their noses, vomiting blood and lost the ability to remain standing.
I thought this was mildly interesting.
President Trump, an hour ago:
“Cuba lived, for many years, on large amounts of OIL and MONEY from Venezuela. THERE WILL BE NO MORE OIL OR MONEY GOING TO CUBA – ZERO! I strongly suggest they make a deal, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DJT”
It is an interesting technology. The typical “crowd control” system uses very high frequency, and the penetration depth is only ~1 mm, so intense sensation of heat on the skin. I’d guess the military version uses much lower frequency (eg ~ 2GHz ….. like a microwave oven) which has a penetration depth in tissue of multiple cm….. at high power that penetration could indeed cause very rapid injury/debilitation/cooking. Nerve cells in the brain probably don’t do well with high induced currents. The wavelength at 2 GHz (15 cm) is still easily focusable.
Easy enough to defeat (surround yourself with a grounded fine aluminum screen), but no doubt horrible if you are un-protected.
It would be interesting if such a weapon could disable an area very quickly. It would suggest the intent was capture, not kill. They could have just bombed the compound and been done with it. In a lot of ways this is the cleaner option so you don’t have to deal with casualties or the trial mess, of course not cleaner in some ways too.
I get the impression they didn’t try very hard to capture Bin Laden. They were worried about bombing that house because they could never verify he was really there.
I also wouldn’t put it past the CIA to have planted this story as a psyop.
Reports indicate enemy personnel bled from their noses, vomiting blood and lost the ability to remain standing.
Ick… but ok… it’s a weapon.
Sounds a little like how 11 reacts to merely using her powers. (Her nose bleeds and sometimes she falls over. No vomiting blood.)
SteveF
(surround yourself with a grounded fine aluminum screen)
Yeah… thought of that…. need fabric to use if we have a zombie apocalyse. Solution doesn’t need to be perfect I don’t think. Just reduction is enough.
Cuba / Venezuela were defiant because they are worried about being dependent on the US and US imperialism. Defiance doesn’t work either as it turns out.
Good point! All I need to do is extend some screen meshing down from my tin foil hat. Sort of like chainmail! 🙂
The Faraday Burka.
Tom Scharf,
“I also wouldn’t put it past the CIA to have planted this story as a psyop.”
Absolutely. Credibility of the story hinges on corroboration by others who were defending Maruro, and it sounds like not many (any!?) survived. I have not thought about the power level needed for an effective weapon, and whether that level of power could be easily carried in a helicopter. The crowd control versions are truck mounted, and generate at least tens (hundreds?) of KW of power at very high frequency. It would seem a military version would need to have a delivered intensity of over 10 KW per square meter (heating exposed tissue, at considerable depth, at a rate of ~10C per minute or more).
mark bofill,
Tin foil hats may turn out to be useful after all!
Tom Scharf,
“Faraday Burka.”
LOL.
Mark
Good point! All I need to do is extend some screen meshing down from my tin foil hat. Sort of like chainmail! ????
What I was thinking… if for “top secret” communications you need to be very careful to not have “holes”. Because someone listening to a communication and intercept the EM comes out of the hole and do some signal analysis. Now… they need to aim detectors right… but it could be done…right?.
But for just blocking a lot to prevent the nose bleed/vomit… having some gaps might not matter so much? I’m sure dose matters. I mean… some of the “E” part of up and down oscillation of the “wave ray” hit the wire, that wipes it out… Doesn’t get through. But maybe some gets through a small gap– that might not be biologically significant?
Or am I smoking something?
I noticed the lack of collaboration on that story too. It may have happened, but I’m skeptical because I traced every story back to the same source.
Lucia,
Gaps much smaller than the wavelength don’t matter a lot. A conductive mesh with holes much smaller than the wavelength is essentially 100% reflective, so long as the metal thickness is greater than the “skin depth” (electromagnetic penetration depth) for that metal, which is typically microns.
The original microwave ovens (eg 1969?) often had a fairly coarse perforated metal layer in the front door (couple of mm hole spacing) with an operating wavelength of ~10 cm. The shield was in fact 100% reflective, with only an “evanescent field” that extended about a mm past the holes. But if you put you hand against the shield on the outside you could perceive heat because your hand interacted with the evanescent field, making the shield a little less than 100% reflective. At the time I first observed this I didn’t know anything about how EM fields interact with matter (Gustave Mie’s Theory), but the surprising observation of slight heating outside the microwave shield stuck with me until many years later when I could understand the mechanism.
Anyway, Mark Bofill’s extension of his tinfoil hat should be protective. 😉
~grins~
I was curious about my skepticism of the new weapon so I asked Grok if he could verify the new sonic weapon the US used in the attack in Venezuela. This was his response:
“Essentially all the circulating accounts of the “sonic weapon” or directed energy device causing nosebleeds, vomiting blood, and collapse trace back to a single unnamed Venezuelan security guard’s testimony.”
That was the same conclusion I drew. It doesn’t prove it didn’t happen but it sure looks suspicious.
SteveF
A conductive mesh with holes much smaller than the wavelength is essentially 100% reflective, so long as the metal thickness is greater than the “skin depth” (electromagnetic penetration depth) for that metal, which is typically microns.
I know. But sometimes, people might want openings to stick their hands in and out. They might not be perfectly sealed– over lapping, but with a gap. So I was thinking of small regions with larger holes.
Also, as clothing wears or tears you could have small holes in your burka.
Otherwise, if made of properly woven fabric, it could be lurex– thin enough to be a veil.
Russell.. oh well. SciFi is always fun.
Lucia,
Anytime we get to talk about tinfoil hats, I’m in!
“Maybe Putin should study the fate of the Austro-Hungarian Empire after 4 years of attritional warfare.”
USA Today:
“The cheeky term “Mar-a-Lago face” is being used online to describe an “aesthetic characterized by full lips, high, prominent cheekbones, bright white teeth, a strong jaw line and minimal facial movement with well-defined eyebrows,” explains Dr. Samer Jaber, a dermatologist at Washington Square Dermatology in New York City.
Online users have posted videos pointing to several prominent Republicans they say embody this look. And The Guardian recently reported plastic surgeons were increasingly fielding requests from patients who were inspired by the likes of Kristi Noem, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Laura Loomer and Matt Gaetz.”
The Idaho case is interesting because the plaintiff dropped out of (girls) sports, and now asks the SC only to dismiss the case as moot. This is clearly a strategic move by the plaintiff’s backers, since it would automatically leave in place the Ninth Circuit’s ruling against Idaho (blocking the law banning biological males in female sports), while not giving the SC a chance to overrule the Ninth Circuit. Similar moves have been used by ‘progressive litigants’ in the past, trying to keep the SC from ruling on controversial cases they expected to lose (eg on strict gun laws). The Court’s conservatives really don’t like that strategy, so will likely ignore the request for dismissal and rule for Idaho on the merits.
Yes. Asking the SC to dismiss is an interesting tactic.
More information on that secret the new ‘nonlethal’ weapon the US deployed in Venezuela….
just before the security forces felt the effects of the weapon they heard the leader of the US team say “set phasers to stun”.
Hmm… In (h/is/er) request to drop the case,
Hecox’s lawyers asked the justices to throw out the ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit – which upheld a preliminary ruling allowing Hecox to participate on women’s sports teams while the litigation continued – and send the case back to the lower court with instructions to dismiss it.
So, if the SC agreed, they would throw out the ruling by the 9th circuit. That means it would not be a precedent in ID. Hecox is the transgender athlete. So, as political strategy this would remove a 9th circuit ruling that Hecox would, presumably, “like”.
Instead, it says, Hecox simply contends that the definition of sex for purposes of those divisions should rest on an athlete’s gender identity.
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West Virginia rejects any comparison to Bostock, telling the justices that when it comes to the workplace, “sex is generally irrelevant. But Title IX governs education, where biological differences are critical to athletic fairness. The Act designates sports based on biological sex—exactly what Title IX permits.
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B.P.J. (who is represented by many of the same lawyers who represent Hecox) first urges, like Hecox, the justices not to engage with the states’ invocation of any advantages that transgender athletes may have, arguing that they should not consider claims and evidence that were not before the lower courts in her case.
I may be biased but I don’t see this as having much chance. The SC took up this case for a reason and I suspect that reason is this madness needs to stop. Most of the international sports bodies now require testing for biological sex. Perhaps one minor concession would be is to have two categories for sports (women’s and open).
There have been a whole series of cases where states sensing they bit off more than they can chew reverse the state laws to attempt to prevent a losing case making it to the SC for a precedent setting event. Gun control for example.
Lucia,
“So, if the SC agreed, they would throw out the ruling by the 9th circuit. That means it would not be a precedent in ID.”
Thanks, I mis-read the details of the request. But even if the specific ruling by the 9th is struck, the legality of the Idaho (and other states) ban then remains in doubt. Some lunatic district judge would surely rule the same way again, and the 9th would almost certainly again uphold the district judge the next time a trans-gender sports case comes along, meaning Idaho would have to re-litigate the question all over again. Tom Scharf is right: the SC is very likely to settle the question by ruling on the merits, not on mootness. Avoiding an unfavorable SC ruling by claiming a controversial case is moot is a tactic used by progressive litigants on multiple occasions.
I should add that “Science” and the media’s attempts to obfuscate whether men had advantages over women in sports was particularly shameful. More research is needed, it is unproven, blah blah blah.
What an embarrassment, as if the citizens don’t all have relevant experience here and it is some esoteric niche subject that only activists can render a judgment on.
Tom Scharf,
“… some esoteric niche subject that only activists can render a judgment on.”
We should all remember that only an expert in biology can actually say what a woman is. Given that complicating fact, whether or not men have a physical advantage over women in sports is way beyond the level of expertise possessed by ordinary voters or their elected representatives.
Russell
The cheeky term “Mar-a-Lago face” is being used online to describe an “aesthetic characterized by full lips, high, prominent cheekbones, bright white teeth, a strong jaw line and minimal facial movement with well-defined eyebrows,” explains Dr. Samer Jaber, a dermatologist at Washington Square Dermatology in New York City.
The funny thing is it could easily have been called “Hollywood liberal campaigner face.” This face has been popular among people who get procedures done for a long time. The MAGA bunch did not invent it. They are just currently visible.
It’s the “Angelina Jolie” face. Jodie Foster? Look up almost any actress over 40. If they had surgery, or improvements, they went for at least higher cheekbones, brighter teeth, stronger jawline and botox- which is the minimal facial movements.
Heavy brows are in, but of course they don’t want to be bushy. So carefully groomed is “prominent”. It’s not just a “Mar-a-lago” thing.
SteveF,
I’m sure the motivation to have the SC dismiss the case is the “trans” side are very worried the probability the SC will rule against them is much too high. They prefer the status quo of at least some lower courts ruling for them and being able to use courts to make it very expensive for schools etc. to not give them their way by setting side laws that are currently being passed in at least some states.
While they would like a ruling throwing these state laws out, they fear the laws being allowed. And they fear the courts literally decreeing that when used in a law, the term sex ? gender identity, it means “biological sex”. They don’t want the situation to be that if state or federal legislatures mean gender identity, they need to say ‘gender identity’ And they also fear the likelihood that after the ruling– and the changes in the deference to agencies– that they would actually need legislatures to enact laws to give specific protection and rights based on “gender identity”.
It will be very difficult to get even somewhat liberal leaning legislature to pass laws giving male->female transgenders the right to “be” female in terms of getting things like beign put in female prisons, being allowed in women’s locker rooms. The preferences is to get laws that did not intend to do that to be interpreted to do that.
We might be able to argue semantics. But giving transgender places on school teams based on their “gender identity” was not what legislatures planned at the time they passed that law. And I don’t think the trans-supporters could muster enough support to pass a law that intentionally did such a thing now, in the near future, or the forseeable future To many politicians would lose their next election if they openly backed a clear law that said that.
And to even come close to passing such a law… the discussion would turn to ‘proving’ you were really truly serious, you had fully transitioned (like getting your tackle removed) yada, yada, yada. They don’t want that to even be discussed. They want to law changed without discussion and without engaging some very real quesitions– that honestly matter.
Tom
More research is needed, it is unproven, blah blah blah.
When there is scant research for any reason this rhetoric is used by “both sides” when it’s convenient.
That men have advantages in physical sports should be the “null” vis-a-vis demanding evidence to overturn the pre-existing notion. That idea is largely correct for sports that involve running, jumping, lifting heavy objects etc and it has been well known for a while. Women’s bodies have some advantages, but it’s not in the 100 m dash, and that’s not just due to socialization.
And note: some of the people who want to use “needs more research on [whatever]” specifically did not think there ‘needs to be more research on long term effects of Covid vaccines before we require people to get the vax.”
I’m a vax enthusiast. But I can still see how this “needs research” is used rhetorically and inconsistently. If “needs research” favors the outcome “I want”, “I” embrace it. If it disfavors it… well.. no.
Of course I’ve put “i” in scare quotes because I do try to recognize the thinking and rhetoric and avoid it.
AFAICT this case would allow bans to take place but not forbid other states from allowing it (similar to abortion).
There is a separate issue of Trump enacting executive orders withholding funding from all schools that allow it that is not before the court.
What happens is that what legitimately needs more research is whether all the biological modifications such as hormone therapy, early transitioning, testosterone limits, etc. bring trans athletes back to fair competition. This is intentionally obfuscated by activists to cloud the entire subject. You can’t make people less tall.
My view is that this research field is a minefield of activist corruption and the entire subject needs to be tabled. The academy’s loss of credibility hurts them here.
Lucia,
“That idea is largely correct for sports that involve running, jumping, lifting heavy objects etc and it has been well known for a while”
Same thing with putting accuracy for PGA tour pros vs LPGA tour pros (men average about 3% better). (Note: they are ALL much better than me!!!)
SteveF
Interesting. I limited the list of places where men have advantage to rather obvious things. I don’t play pool. Most people don’t. So I think that’s less obvious to people because, among other things, we just don’t watch it or play it.
The thing is, even to the extent that it’s “nurture” rather than “nature”, the “nurture”– or how other people treat you and how that affects your opportunities– isn’t necessarily “female” just because your inner mental state (i.e. gender identity) is female. Your parents, teachers etc might still have let you off the hook on whatever things they insisted on for “girls” and allowed you to do what “boys” do.
It’s not impossible that on average, male-female transitioners were treated like boys when they were boys. That could have included more latitude to play pool. I’m not going to say it’s not physical…. but both the nature or nurture theory of why the women’s classes exist still suggest the male->female transitioners have an advantage and the categories to protect the women should be maintained by excluding them.
While one British pool group, the English Blackball Pool Federation (EBPF), has claimed that trans women benefit from a greater hand span, stronger fingers, and longer limbs enabling a greater reach across the table, according to The Independent.
Yep. Likely.
Formaggio from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) wrote a report stating that a stronger break shot is not necessarily enough to win at the top level, and he added that players can “compete effectively through strategy without hindrance that may arise from physical differences.”
Oh sheesh. I read an article about a company that was making sort of “overlays” for piano with narrower keys. So the distance your fingers span to play an octave is less. These were marketted toward women. And some people claimed… well.. women should just to hand stretching exercises. Like it isn’t just inherently easier to paly Rachmaninoff with the big spreads in notes if your hands are big. As if men with big hands can’t do the same dang stretchingthing and if they did, composers could then write music that could be played by men with big hands who also do stretching exercises.
And it’s like telling 5’10” men they can dunk basket balls just as easily as 6′ 5″ men. All they have to do is work on jumping higher. Yeah… sort of.
Tom Scharf wrote: “AFAICT this case would allow bans to take place but not forbid other states from allowing it”.
Maybe not. If “sex” in Title IX means “biological sex” excluding gender identity, then Title IX would arguably prohibit allowing men to compete in women’s sports. As it should,
Tom,
AFAICT this case would allow bans to take place but not forbid other states from allowing it (similar to abortion).
Sure. But I think these cases are (likely) just about whether a state can forbid something. Allowing states to disallow something doesn’t say other states must. That’s actually very similar to abortion.
But I think with transgender, fewer people are for giving trans all the rights they want– because it’s pretty evident that it takes away from women’s rights. The “right” to not be excluded from the women’s locker room does take away the right– or opportunity– for women to have their own private bathrooms. And then we can all be confronted with big swinging d*cks of trans men->woman whose gender identity is consisted with keeping their tackle. And women lose a right to keep their bodies private from people who the potentially naked woman views as men. Because… well…among other things, the have a d*ck.
Abortion has a lot of moral implications. But one woman’s right to have an abortion does not take away another woman’s right to not have an abortion. One woman having an abortion doesn’t take away anything we see as another women’s right. Because we don’t see woman A as having a right to control woman B’s actions or life.
The issues are different.
I think whether the executive can do what Trump is doing is separate from these two cases. I admit I haven’t read them in details. But the articles don’t mention anything about Trumps directive.
I believe Title IX is about the required conditions for federal funding of schools(?). So trans sports would still be allowed but federal funding would be revoked. This may have the effect of a federal ban though.
The issue is similar to abortion only in that it is about whether states are allowed to ban it. It’s unclear what the range of possible outcomes are here.
I’ve played a lot of pool in my youth and I would say men are primarily better because they just play it much more often than women. At parties / bars the women simply wouldn’t play the vast majority of time. Since the ratio of players is so lopsided the number of elite players is also lopsided. Chances are a potential spectacularly talented woman pool player just would never take up the game.
That doesn’t mean there still isn’t some advantage. This also used to be true with women’s basketball but now elite women are way better than they used to be. The gap has closed but there is still obviously an inherent advantage for men.
Lucia,
“And it’s like telling 5’10” men they can dunk basket balls just as easily as 6? 5? men.”
Some things (like ability to jump) are mostly inherited. I am 5’10, and the closest I ever got to the basketball hoop was to brush the net with my fingertips. I have a younger brother, 5’9″, 140 lbs who could put half of four fingers over the basketball rim until he approached 40 YO. He could also (not coincidentally) consistently hit a golf ball well over 300 yards, in spite of his modest stature, while I never got much past 80% of that distance. Some improvements come from practice, but ‘native ability’ is a huge factor, especially at high levels of performance.
SteveF
Some improvements come from practice, but ‘native ability’ is a huge factor, especially at high levels of performance.
Yes. And I’m sure regardless of the innate abilities he had, there were still 6’5″ guys with similar innate abilities who would have an advantage. Those guys still need to practice and learn, but you can’t just tell the 5’10” guy that if he practices enough he can over come the advantage of a 7″ difference in height.
Height alone isn’t enough. And a 1″ difference in height between you and your brother wasn’t an over-riding factor. Other abilities matter too. But the fact is, we know the average difference between men and women in somethings is pretty large. It matters for many sports, and it favors men. It’s not similar to a 1″ difference in height for basket ball– it’s more than that.
Tom Scharf,
“At parties / bars the women simply wouldn’t play the vast majority of time. Since the ratio of players is so lopsided the number of elite players is also lopsided. ”
OK. It is a nice explanation.
Why do you think Asian women (specifically from Korea, but also Asian women from other countries, and often raised in places like Australia) so dominate the LPGA? Is it that there are too few women of European descent playing competitive golf, inherited physical abilities, or is it some other factor(s)? Asian MEN do not dominate professional golf, as we all know, so it seems unlikely to be just genetics. (Note: but Tiger Woods is 1/2 Southern Asian!)
Tom Scharf,
If the issue is lack of enough “practitioners” of a sport based on gender, then the frequency of “exceptional” players ought to be linearly proportional to the number of practitioners. But I suspect that is not really the case. Maybe it is the “intensity/desire” level that matters more than simple numbers.
The fundamental problem with the trans-activist movement in my opinion is that they were using people with those conditions to fundamentally change what it meant to be male or female.
They rejected options where a biological male wanted to dress and act as female and was offered their own restroom and place to change but instead demanded to be allowed to use the female rooms.
This wasn’t about privacy but rather about society accepting and endorsing their conditions as if they were “real” women. The only objection I have to giving them a private room of their own is the additional cost but we could have fundraisers to pay for the work.
The activists could easily put their money where their mouths are but “privacy” and “safety” was never really their goal — for men, women, or other.
The other problem I have is with the way people try to change the language or the facts to conform to their political agendas. You want to push for something? Fine push for it but don’t try to change decades-old or centuries-old language to fit to your new view; be honest about it being new.
There is no way anyone who drafted or passed Title IX was thinking about “trans” anything at the time. Judges that claim to find that interpretation in the language need to take remedial English.
With fewer elite players the level of competition is also lower so people tend to reach lower levels of competence. People tend to learn from other elite players and many are more motivated to get better if they aren’t succeeding against the best players. A rising tide lifts all boats.
South Korean women got better at golf as a group around the year 2010 (?). I speculate this was based on better competition and / or more play in Korea.
I think there are many group sport disparities that cannot be easily explained but changing group culture is a significant part.
Tom Scharf,
“sport disparities that cannot be easily explained but changing group culture is a significant part”
For sure. Pedro Martinez was not the most credible claimant to be a baseball superstar (close to the least?), but superstar he absolutely was. Maybe it is a multi-factorial question, involving culture, desire, training, and… (shockingly) personal effort.
He and his ilk have interfered with peace n Ukraine enough times to be at lease somewhat culpable in untold thousands of deaths.
I sure wish he would shut up. Nothing he says is worth more than warmed over dog shit….. if that.
Remember how for years we were told that PBS funding was mostly local and private donations and that the federal government was only one percent or 2% at the most.
Well, ever since the federal government cut their funding PBS has been cutting back their programming; now they’re cuttin news programs
Oh darn!
“‘PBS News Weekend’ airs final episode after Trump spending cuts” https://nypost.com/2026/01/12/media/pbs-news-weekend-airs-final-episode-after-trump-spending-cuts/
Lucia, your post:
“The funny thing is it could easily have been called “Hollywood liberal campaigner face.” This face has been popular among people who get procedures done for a long time. The MAGA bunch did not invent it. They are just currently visible.”
I find it ironic that MAGA, who claimed to be the adults in the room, are actually so shallow that they try to mimic the Hollywood crowd in appearance.
Suddenly, plastic surgery is endemic to conservatives.
Russell,
Some of the things people do with plastic surgery are things that just are more youthful looking. Have you aged and notice the skin around your chin is getting flabby? Has the skin around your eyes sagged? Are you getting wrinkles? Frown lines? Lips do get thinner with age, people just don’t necessarily realize it’s age.
The thing is: people who get plastic surgery tend to go a little overboard. This is not knew. And these people all hang around each other, so they stop thinking the faces have gone somewhat past what’s natural.
It’s not unlike ballroom dance makeup. At a ballroom competition, everyone thinks “you look beautiful” when you are wearing way too much make up– along with furry fake eyelashes. At a competition, my make up is put on with a trowel.
A few other things they are calling “magaface” are fashion. Fashion is what every one is doing– it’s hard to say who is imitating whom. Eyebrow fashions cycle. There were times when women plucked all their eyebrows and drew a very thin line on with pencil. But right now, “bold” eyebrows are in. This will pass and we’ll go back to something else. A fair amount of the eyebrow stuff is temporary (though eyebrow tattos are a thing.)
SteveF wrote: “Pedro Martinez was not the most credible claimant to be a baseball superstar (close to the least?”
I am guessing that you refer to his size and build? But he was pretty similar to Juan Marichal, Ron Guidry, Tim Lincecum, and probably some others.
Jose Altuve might have been a bigger surprise.
Fox News has been putting up beautiful people for a long time. I remember when women anchors at local stations pretty much timed out around 30 years old and were replaced.
To be clear, it’s OK to be smart and beautiful.
Group prejudice for beautiful people still remains, although there has been some minimal movement in that area. For whatever reason it seems to have a reverse affect if a women is to be successful at the CEO or country leadership level, here it seems you need to be not beautiful more often than not. I have no idea what is driving that psychology.
Mike M,
Well, Marichal pitched in a earlier era, and was a bit bigger than Pedro. Neither Guidry nor Lincecum ever made the Hall of Fame, and Lincecum in particular had a relatively short period when he was effective.
Greg Maddux may be a better example of a great pitcher who was not physically imposing, though unlike Pedro (who was overpowering and dominant) Maddux pitched with guile and extreme accuracy.
NYT: “F.B.I. Inquiry Into ICE Shooting Is Examining Victim’s Possible Ties to Activist Groups
Former department officials warned that such a broad inquiry raised the specter that forms of political protests could be criminalized.”
Former department officials are warning of this, eh? I can’t possibly imagine they would ever get involved in something like that.
Only 7% of identity theft fraud is reported to the police. The local police treat it as a clerical event, they document it for legal purposes and almost never investigate it unless the perps are known and are local. The feds only address it when the numbers are large.
WTF, you think criminals might take note? Yes.
US losses from identity theft were $3.3B in 2020 and $12B in 2024.
Of course nobody would have predicted that a teen aged Pedro Martinez would make the Hall of Fame. You can’t really make that prediction about any teenager. But he was no the only little guy to achieve greatness as a MLB pitcher, although nobody else that small was as great as Pedro. A few guys who were a little bigger (Spahn, Ford, Marichal, Maddux) did make the Hall of Fame. And Maddux was from the same era.
Mike M,
I suspect the era of electronic ball/strike calls means pitchers will not have as much advantage as in the past. Mistakes in ball/strike calls tend to more often favor the pitcher. My guess is the league batting average will increase and that gaudy strike-out walk ratios will become less common. The catcher “framing” questionable pitches will no longer matter much.
Speaking of Pedro: the worst robbery of the Cy Young in history was in 2002 when Barry Zito (23-5) was given the award over Pedro (20 -3)….. in spite of Pedro being a much better pitcher in every statistical measure, leading the league in most pitching categories…. while Zito lead in none. They just didn’t want Pedro to get a 4th Cy Young.
SteveF wrote: “Mistakes in ball/strike calls tend to more often favor the pitcher.”
I don’t see why that would be so.
I doubt the challenge system will have much effect on batting stats or framing since it will be mostly the egregious bad calls that will be challenged. Borderline calls won’t be much affected since they won’t be challenged except at the most critical times.
I have a post in moderation, I think because Firefox broke autofill and I forgot the type the period.
Alito asked Hartnett to provide a general definition of a man and a woman, under the Constitution’s equal protection clause. He also posed a hypothetical in which a person born as male said they identified as a woman and wanted to play on the girls team, but had not gotten medical treatments to suppress their male hormones or otherwise affirm their female identity.
Hartnett said that in a scenario where a person still has the biological advantages of being a male, a school could ban them from woman’s sports.
“Is that person not a woman, in your understanding?” Alito continued to press. “The person says, ‘I sincerely believe I am woman. I am, in fact, a woman.’ Is that person not a woman?”
And it ends there, ha ha. CNN doesn’t provide the answer that was provided, or if one was provided.
I haven’t listened to the arguments yet but the moving goal posts appear to be that “when trans people have limited their athletic ability to a women’s level, level TBD, as verified by agency XYZ, then they should be allowed to compete.
So as long as they are really women then they should be counted as women. Details to follow. I don’t think that is going to cut it.
NYT: “Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow
Joseph H. Thompson, a career federal prosecutor who was the acting U.S. attorney for Minnesota last year, was among those who resigned as the Justice Department sought to examine the woman’s supposed ties to activist groups.”
Interesting. Good’s wife was obviously an activist. This isn’t actually relevant to what the officer’s perception was at the moment of the shooting other than her interaction being hostile, her trying to enter the vehicle, and her telling Good to drive away
I only see this alleged background schmear as being relevant if Good’s supporters / prosecution are portraying her as “mom / poet out for a drive who was innocently turning around and got maliciously killed by ICE”.
Good’s wife never released her video of the event. My speculation is it wasn’t helpful. Apparently stalking ICE agents and blocking them with cars (ICE watch) was a thing before the shooting. It was poorly executed in this case.
An audio and transcript will be posted on the SC website, so we can hear the answer to Alito’s question. Justice Jackson had the option to not answer the “what is a woman” question during her bizarro confirmation hearings, but litigants before the court do not. Count on that question to be asked multiple times whenever (if ever!) one of these insane trans cases comes before the Court again. The trans nuts are going to lose every time, because their argument is based on irrational beliefs.
“Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow”
Good, 6 fewer incompetent prosecutors. The people involved should all be prosecuted for interfering with Federal law enforcement.
I saw on the Babylon 5 subreddit just now a report that Scott Adams has died and the “loving leftists” could say nothing but “good riddance” and call him names.
It’s rather comical how they talk about the opposite side being hate mongers then proceed to spew vitriol and actually wish bad things on people who disagree with them. It goes right with calling their opposition fascists (or worse) then demanding government control over their ability to speak or even exist. Project much?
I read most of the SC oral argument transcript.
Conclusion 1: 5/4 or 6/3 (maybe 7/2?) to allow states to ban trans-females (AKA males) in women’s sports.
Conclusion 2: Jackson is frighteningly dumb.
Conclusion 3: Sotomayor is half as dumb as Jackson.
FYI the answer was:
“We do not have a definition (of a man or a woman) for the court”.
Ha ha. Title IX has rules for men / women in sports but they can’t define that, nor even comment on it. That is a summary of why they will lose. They are arguing that each state can just make up its own definitions in their own statutes.
The arguments from the lawyers were all over the map and nearly incoherent. It was like watching Matt Walsh’s “What is a woman” all over again.
There were lots of arguing over who has the burden of proof in a dispute, etc. They all pretty much agreed the science says men are superior in sports but what it takes to turn a man into a woman for the purposes of competition was unsettled (and may never be). The liberal justices never considered harm to real women in sports.
I doubt the state trans bans will be overturned. Whether a federal countrywide ban on trans comes before the court later is TBD.
A FINAL MESSAGE OF SCOTT ADAMS
If you are reading this, things did not go well for me.
I have a few things to say before I go.
My body failed before my brain. I am of sound mind as I write this, January 1st, 2026. If you wonder about any of my choices for my estate, or anything else, please know I am free of any coercion or inappropriate influence of any sort. I promise.
Next, many of my Christian friends have asked me to find Jesus before I go. I’m not a believer, but I have to admit the risk-reward calculation for doing so looks attractive. So, here I go:
I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, and I look forward to spending an eternity with him. The part about me not being a believer should be quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven. I won’t need any more convincing than that. And I hope I am still qualified for entry.
Live look in on what the Webb and Hubble telescopes are looking at. Interactive and incredible resolution..
“Sadly, the Great Influencer, Scott Adams, has passed away… He will be truly missed. God bless you Scott!” – President Donald J. Trump
BTW, for future reference, any criticism of future Democratic presidents will be met with four words: Donald Trump. Shut up. Actually, most responses will consist of six words.
JUSTICE ALITO: Well, to pick up on the issue of discrimination on the basis of transgender status, let me just go back to — let me go to some basics.
Do you agree that a school may have separate teams for a category of students classified as boys and a category of students classified as girls?
MS. HARTNETT: Yes, Your Honor.
JUSTICE ALITO: If it does that, then is it not necessary for there to be, for equal protection purposes, if that is challenged under the Equal Protection Clause, an understanding of what it means to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman?
MS. HARTNETT: Yes, Your Honor.
JUSTICE ALITO: And what is that definition? For equal protection purposes, what does — what does it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman?
MS. HARTNETT: Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law, the — would have to — we’d have to have an understanding of how the state or the government was understanding that term to figure out whether or not someone was excluded.
We do not have a definition for the Court. And we don’t take issue with the — we’re not disputing the definition here. What we’re saying is that the way it applies in practice is to exclude birth-sex males categorically from women’s teams and that there’s a subset of those birth-sex males where it doesn’t make sense to do so according to the state’s own interest.
JUSTICE ALITO: Well, how can you — how can a court determine whether there’s discrimination on the basis of sex without knowing what sex means for equal protection purposes?
MS. HARTNETT: I think here we just know — we — we basically know that the — that they’ve identified pursuant to their own statute, Lindsay qualifies as a birth-sex male. And she’s being excluded categorically from the women’s teams as the statute — so we’re taking the statute’s definitions as we find them and we don’t dispute them. We’re just trying to figure out, do they create an equal protection problem?
JUSTICE ALITO: All right. Suppose this school that has a boys’, let’s say, track team and a girls’ track team. A school has that. And a student who has the genes and the reproductive system of a male and had those at birth and has never taken puberty blockers, never taken female hormones, never had any gender-altering or affirming surgery, says, nevertheless, I am a woman. That’s who I am. Can the school say no, you cannot participate on the girls’ team?
MS. HARTNETT: Sorry. So your hypothetical — just a birth-sex male who has all the —
JUSTICE ALITO: Right. Exactly.
MS. HARTNETT: — advantages a birth-sex male, hormones?
JUSTICE ALITO: Yes.
MS. HARTNETT: And can the school bar him from the women’s team?
JUSTICE ALITO: Yes.
MS. HARTNETT: Yes, they can.
JUSTICE ALITO: But that person — is that person not a woman in your understanding? If the person says, I sincerely believe I am a woman, I am, in fact, a woman —
MS. HARTNETT: I think we —
JUSTICE ALITO: — is that person not a woman?
MS. HARTNETT: I — I would respect their self-identity in addressing the person, but in terms of the statute, I think the question is, does that person have a sex-based biological advantage that’s going to make it unfair for that person to be part of the women’s team. And that — that’s the rationale for the regulation, and so that’s the reason — that’s the way we would be testing that hypothetical.
JUSTICE ALITO: Well, the reason I’m asking has to do with discrimination on the basis of transgender status. So what you seem to be saying is, yes, it is permissible for the school to discriminate on the basis of transgender status because, if this person is a transwoman, a transgirl, and is barred from the team, from the girls’ team, then that person is being subjected to differential treatment based on transgender status, right?
MS. HARTNETT: Well, that would be — then the question would be whether it was — the scrutiny would be satisfied. So, from our perspective, that would be a transgender classification. It would get heightened scrutiny. And it may be satisfied here because of the need to have — to curtail unfair athletic advantage. That would be the analysis.
We are not pressing in this case the notion — and the case does not require the Court to decide — whether transgender women who have gone through puberty and have not suppressed their testosterone would be able to play on a men’s team. And the record here is a preliminary one where that doesn’t present that question for the Court.
JUSTICE ALITO: I mean, this does present a particular factual situation and we have to decide that case, but looking to the broader issue that a lot of people are interested in, there are an awful lot of female athletes who are strongly opposed to participation by trans athletes in competitions with them.
What — what do you say about them? Are they — are they bigots? Are they deluded in thinking that they are subjected to unfair competition?
MS. HARTNETT: No, Your Honor. I would never call anyone that. And I — I think what we’re saying here is that you have to — that’s the reason why there is intermediate scrutiny or even in — in rational review, you don’t legislate based on undifferentiated fears. You base it on trying to make a rational response to what is a perceived issue.
I think, here, although I would take issue with the notion that there was no reference to transgender individuals in the creation of this law, I really would direct your Court — the Court — to JA — again, this is not about animus. I’m just saying that if you look at JA — pardon me, I need my — JA 105 through 112, there are numerous references from the sponsor of the law saying the way we’re going to try to protect women’s sports is to not have transgender women play on the women’s teams, and that was the fear that they had at the time.
Again, that is not an accusation of animus. It’s just a question of what was the statute doing. And then we go to the point of does the statute survive heightened scrutiny. That would be the inquiry.
JUSTICE ALITO: Do you think that the success of trans athletes in women’s sports is proportional to the percentage of trans athletes who participate in women’s sports?
MS. HARTNETT: I think we — I would direct your attention to — there’s a — let me make sure I have the right amicus. There’s an amicus brief that talks about the — actually, some of the — there are examples, obviously, of some transgender people that have participated and excelled. They actually are few and far between.
You know, we have our client here who tried to make the NCAA team because of the injunction. She was too slow. She played club soccer, club running. She was even an officer in one of those clubs, just doing what you would hope a college student would do.
You’ll hear from my colleague about the other case, but I do think that — and there is a brief that you — in the amicus briefs — that will share the examples of showing that’s a bit overstated.
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: Would the analysis be different if they were more successful?
MS. HARTNETT: No, I think it would be, to the extent — I mean, we’ve already covered that transgender people are a slice — a meaningful slice of the population but a small slice.
I think the state, if there actually were a concern of women’s sports being fully overrun by an outbreak of a huge new number of transgender people, that might be a different factual situation.
At the end of the day, we understand that there were legislatures — legislators who were concerned about that. The legislative history makes that clear here, but that wasn’t the factual basis before the court.
If there were actually a threat to …
Lucia,
It is obviously very difficult to define a woman. At least for the lunatic left. The lady embarrassed herself dancing around to avoid answering Alito’s question.
Thomas Fuller,
I fear you are losing control of your thought processes.
Thomas
BTW, for future reference, any criticism of future Democratic presidents will be met with four words: Donald Trump. Shut up. Actually, most responses will consist of six words.
And then
(a) no one will shut up and
(b) the Dem’s will lose the argument with a large fraction of the audience.
Lucia,
It is telling that was the best they could do when they saw that question coming a mile away.
There were a bunch of sequences like that at other times / other subjects. Mind numbing. They only lightly discussed “administrability” of these statutes and it was obvious that beyond baseline circulating testosterone that it was going to be very messy administrating disputes based on qualification for women’s sports.
They also made the claim that tall girls have an even bigger disadvantage because that increased bone mass is driven by less muscle mass and testosterone than on a man. In this view tall girls should be allowed more testosterone for things to be “fair”. It’s unworkable.
They all forget trans people can still play sports, either through the indignity of playing on lesser men’s teams or perhaps club sports for women that allow it, or in open competitions. My view is the trans advocates did their cause a disservice here, maybe they saw this too late when they tried making the case moot.
Thomas Fuller:
I see that I’m not the first to reply, so I apologize if it seems like piling on, but — yours is the most puerile post I have seen here at the Blackboard.
Thomas Fuller,
Being continuously performatively angry doesn’t count for much anymore in US politics. Have at it if you think it is helpful to your side. Trump is baiting you, and you are taking the bait.
Tom,
I discussed with ChatGPT. It’s good on what the legal issues are. (e.g. what does equal protection require? ) At least in the conversation with me, it thinks the State will win this one, and it thinks the State has the much better argument.
I did specifically give it Alito’s cross above and the link to the full oral argument. We also discussed Bostok– I already thought the distinction between Bostok and this case is clear.
BTW: ChatGPT gives best odds to 6-3 outcome. But neither 7-2 nor 5:4 is beyond the realm of possibility.
It also thinks the majority will be penned by Barrett or Alito.
I’m going to a dance lesson now…. So I can post highlights later.
Yes, the Supreme Court oral argument often reveal a different legal structure than anticipated by reading the news. They spent an inordinate amount of time on what the levels of legal scrutiny should be due to this being a form of potential sex discrimination. Since they couldn’t define “sex” for the most part this stuff just went around in circles.
Strict Scrutiny (The Highest Level)
This is the most stringent standard. When a court applies strict scrutiny, the law is presumed unconstitutional until the government proves otherwise. It is often described as “strict in theory, fatal in practice.”
When it’s used:
Suspect Classifications: Discrimination based on race, national origin, or religion.
Fundamental Rights: Laws that infringe on rights like free speech, voting, or marriage.
The Test: To pass, the government must prove:
There is a compelling government interest (it’s not just “good,” it’s necessary).
The law is narrowly tailored (it does only what is necessary and no more).
It is the least restrictive means to achieve that goal.
2. Intermediate Scrutiny (The Middle Tier)
Sometimes called “heightened scrutiny,” this is used for classifications that aren’t quite as “suspect” as race but still require protection from bias.
When it’s used:
Quasi-Suspect Classifications: Primarily gender/sex and illegitimacy (status of children born to unmarried parents).
Commercial Speech: Certain types of advertising and content-neutral speech restrictions.
The Test: To pass, the government must prove:
There is an important government objective.
The law is substantially related to achieving that objective.
3. Rational Basis Review (The Lowest Level)
This is the default standard for most laws. Under this tier, the law is presumed constitutional, and the burden of proof is on the person challenging the law to show it is “irrational.”
When it’s used:
General Classifications: Age, disability, wealth, or sexual orientation (though this is a shifting legal area).
Economic Regulations: Tax laws, zoning, or professional licensing.
The Test: The law will be upheld if:
There is a legitimate government interest (any reason that isn’t totally arbitrary).
The law is rationally related to that interest.
BTW, for future reference, any criticism of future Democratic presidents will be met with four words: Donald Trump. Shut up. Actually, most responses will consist of six words.
I would honestly laugh in the face at anyone responding to me like this. I don’t even like Trump and my response to people shrieking about him is also 6 words:
“Bill Clinton. Barack Obama. Joe Biden.”
No expletives required. The names should be expletives all by themselves.
Tom Scharf,
The appropriate ‘level of scrutiny’ was what those wanting to keep states from blocking trans-women (AKA men) from participating in women’s sports kept talking about. Utterly beside the point. Biological males should never play in women’s sports….. no scrutiny needed.
Derek H,
Clinton wasn’t as bad as Obama and Biden. Clinton went along with some compromises that helped US finances. The other two? Terrible. In every way.
Trump’s ICE tactics are over the top but I guess this is what in-country immigration enforcement actually looks like. Both sides are inviting these thuggish encounters between protesters, and both sides think it helps their side.
The right obviously loves them because they are all over X. A beat down of an over zealous protester plucks the right emotional string for people who think protesters are being coddled and aren’t paying any price for unlawful civil disobedience. Block the road, get pushed down on your a**.
Results? If non-engaged voters are wondering which side supports immigration enforcement and law / order then these engagements make it pretty obvious. If you are more worried about a fascist state making everyone show their papers SS style at road blocks then this also makes it obvious.
Tom Scharf: “Being continuously performatively angry doesn’t count for much anymore in US politics.”
The Democrats are betting on performative anger winning the midterms. Based on results last fall, they might be right.
I think that the Dems have concluded, not without reason, that persuading people is irrelevant. All that matters is which team can turn out the most voters (or most ballots). They have concluded that ginning up anger is the way to turn out their voters. And that also serves as a way to keep people from questioning what the Dems are actually for.
My hope is that they will overdo it by such a large margin that they will make Trump supporters mad enough to turn out in large enough numbers to carry the midterms.
But then, I am a convicted cockeyed optimist. Repeat offender.
The Democrats will likely win the midterms for the same reason the ruling party almost always takes losses. Governing is hard, and all the over-promising to get to power is rarely delivered.
Trump is playing their game here head on. Make everything a base emotional performance.
I agree. Dems will probably take the House. 3/4 or 4/5 chance, the way things are going, is my guesstimate of the odds.
Steve,
No, Clinton wasn’t as bad as Obama or Biden but he was still bad. Clinton’s actions on the world stage were what reinforced Osama bin Laden’s view that America was a paper tiger and initiated the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and culminated in 9/11.
In my opinion, Carter was the third worst US President of the last 100 or so years (maybe ever) with Obama and then Biden topping him but Clinton was a worse human being than Carter by a long shot.
Any Democrat that wants to talk about Trump as a womanizer needs to explain their past support for Clinton. I’m not saying Trump wasn’t a womanizer but his affairs with Marla Maples (while married to Ivanka) and Karen McDougal were cooperative events. He didn’t send state troopers to go rope girls in as Clinton was alleged to have done.
Any Democrat who wants to talk about the economy needs to defend Obama, Biden, and Carter first. Trump has done stupid things like talking about annexing Canada but that was a far cry from completely tanking recoveries to the point of having to redefine what a recovery was like Obama and Biden did.
Derek H,
Yes, Clinton (and his many enablers, including Hillary) abused Clinton’s victims. (“Drag a $100 bill through a trailer park….”). He treated women horribly, abused his positions of authority, and was as bald faced a liar as ever existed. But his policies were no where near as damaging to the country as those of Carter, Obama, and Biden.
Mark Bofill,
Yes, about 80% chance Dems will control the House…… meaning nothing but investigations and impeachments until Trump leaves office in Jan 2029.
Republicans need to pass a reconciliation package this year that largely dismantles the worst parts of the Federal government, and hope they keep control of the Senate long term, so that all those nightmares can’t return too quickly.
They also need to convince Alito and Thomas to resign while Trump can appoint replacements….. But I doubt that will happen.
uh oh….
There are no USAF or USN aircraft flying with their transponder on anywhere in the Middle East or Asia.
The hour may be at hand (or maybe not).
Mike M,
If Trump could control his urges to say crazy things, Republicans might have a chance. But he can’t. Everything that comes out his mouth gives Dems yet another reason to rally their angry base to turn out for the midterms.
What Russell can see, Iran can see, ha ha. If you want to hide something you make things appear normal.
My guess is there would be a “high visibility” stand-off attack using cruise missiles against oil terminals or a direct attack on leadership. My guess is the former without incursion of US jets into Iran’s airspace.
lots of chatter about what’s going on, nobody knows for sure…
To Tom’s point:
“It’s super unlikely that we are seeing tankers out broadcasting to see before a strike. Most likely show of force or assisting in movement of assets”
We might hit military targets in Iran, such as their facilities for missile production, space launch, and drone manufacturing. The last would be especially appropriate if they are using drones against their own people.
Iranian drones are also being used in Ukraine, that’s a twofer.
The estimated U.S. inventory of Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM) is approximately 4,000 units but they only build about 75 a year. There are two ways to retire an old missile …
TLAM….
I have read that there are about 1000 tomahawk cruise missiles that have been retired because they have been replaced with newer technology.
Trump blocked these from going to Ukraine. Perhaps he should undo that blockage
SteveF
I apoligize if this is a repeat, but a lot of us believe that there is a close connection between Trump’s mouth and his brain, and I suppose are mystified as to how anyone could think there isn’t.
John your post:
” lot of us believe that there is a close connection between Trump’s mouth and his brain”
Yes indeed, and there appears to be no filter.
It’s why I find him so entertaining.
35°F predicted for Sarasota for Friday morning.
NOAA has issued a Falling Iguana alert.
I think Trump definitely has a filter between brain and mouth. But it is nothing at all like the typical politician’s filter. No media training for Trump! So it sounds either jarring or delightful, depending on your point of view. Sometimes both at the same time.
John Ferguson,
Trump seems to blurt out whatever is in his mind, even when a moment’s reflection would keep him from saying most of the crazy stuff. Was Trump really contemplating ‘running’ Venezuela? Invading Greenland? I really doubt it, and his administration (Rubio and others) explained what Trump did not the next day.
I wish Trump were thoughtful, more self aware, and more self controlled. But he isn’t. Of course, some of it may be just that he is trying to drive his political opponents crazy (no Canada won’t become a state). It has obviously worked perfectly with Fuller.
OTOH, Trump has nearly stopped illegal immigration, is deporting existing illegals at a good rate, ended the electric-car mandate, eliminated DEI in the Federal government and military, gotten rid of Maduro, set back the Iranian nuclear program, negotiated some more favorable trade deals, and eliminated a bunch of crazy programs that were wasting $billions. All good things.
Trump will be gone in 3 years, and I look forward to that…… Trump is just too much a tiring PITA.
Today’s report is that Iran has killed some 3,500 street protesters…. which scaled to the size of the USA would be 11,000.
Not worth an invasion, but maybe a bunch of bunker busters would help the protesters throw off this evil cabal of Islamic lunatics.
Sanewashing.
As far as I can discover, the term was first applied 19 2007 in an academic discussion.
It’s use now seems to describe the process of attmpting to show that something a politician has said or done which seems nuts is actually intelligent and worthwhile.
Which is not to day that I’m unhappy with all of the Trump accomplishments which SteveF had identified above.
I did get a kick out of the Danish threat to rename Greenland Epstein Land.
Despite all this, I continue to sense that Trump is losing it and at an increasing rate. Trump Kennedy Memorial Hall anyone?
I don’t think anyone really knows what is happening in Iran AFAICT, I doubt the regime is inviting the UN to the morgues to count bodies.
The internet blackout appears to be very effective, hardly anything is getting out.
For your entertainment only.
From a Senate hearing today, doctor refuses to answer the question of whether men can get pregnant and the political theater is on! I guess we will need another case that gets to the Supreme Court in order to settle this dispute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJFuhgeNbSE
Trump’s very significant accomplishments indicate that he is thoughtful. So does the care he takes when he intervenes overseas.
The fact that Trump routinely pokes fun at himself indicates that he is indeed quite self-aware.
I, for one, generally like the fact that Trump does not use the standard politician’s filter. Although sometimes he leaves me scratching my head.
john, you’ve made the assessment that Trump is “losing it” before but I have yet to see that backed by any evidence. Trump has said whatever he wants or what he feels serves his ego for decades, nothing has changed there.
He seems to think saying whatever is on his mind without the usual political filters makes him seem more authentic to the American public and so far, he’d be supported by the evidence. Even the Leftists who hate him don’t claim he’s faking it when he says things they hate.
We’ve covered this ground without profit before. Having failed to persuade John last time, I don’t have anything new to offer him. He thinks Trump is ‘losing it’ and won’t be persuaded otherwise, well, fine. Free country.
Trump sat down with 4 reporters at the NYT last week for a two hour interview. I don’t think Biden did 2 hours of interviews his last 2 years.
I cannot independently confirm the following, but it’s from a good source:
“News Nation reports that the USA is moving the aircraft carrier strike group Abraham Lincoln from the South China Sea to the Middle East.
It will arrive there in around a week”
Mark,
I concede that this is facetious, but suppose Trump does filter everything he says?
1:35 AM and there are still no US military aircraft visible in the Middle East or Asia.
No accounts of any attack.
well, some good news from a Brookings Institution study:
“There was a significant drop-off in entries to the United States in 2025 relative to 2024 and an increase in enforcement activity leading to removals and voluntary departures. We estimate that net migration was between –10,000 and –295,000 in 2025, the first time in at least half a century it has been negative.
In our assessment, net migration is likely to be very low or negative in 2026 as well.” https://www.brookings.edu/articles/macroeconomic-implications-of-immigration-flows-in-2025-and-2026-january-2026-update/
The left might not like the things Trump does, but even they have to admit he’s effective at accomplishing what he said he was gonna do.
incredible video, Ukrainian ground drones evacuating wounded soldiers from the front lines. Video shows the POV from the ground drone, the control room, and views from aerial drones watching overhead. https://youtu.be/TzU_LA8VSI0?si=JvKhZNPaULAAqh3t
I watched the splashdown and recovery of the astronauts from the SpaceX capsule. All four astronauts exited the capsule under their own power. It was not evident who had the medical emergency.
I love you John. I don’t want to antagonize you. I don’t see how you expect anyone to constructively engage a comment like your last one to me.
Fine, I’ll bite. Suppose he does. So?
President Trump posted a threat on Truth social:
“ If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don’t obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the Patriots of I.C.E., who are only trying to do their job, I will institute the INSURRECTION ACT, which many Presidents have done before me, and quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great State. Thank you for you attention to this matter! President DJT”
Mark,
The gag was that Trump does filter and what he really thinks is much worse than what comes out of his mouth.
And I conceded that this was an idea but a nutty one.
And then I remembered the stream of messages (?) he posts sometimes hundreds a night, calling for death for various people who he’s unhappy wth. The tone of the ones I see published seems to have drifted much darker in the last year.
Evidence of mental decline, except maybe in Biden’s case which was conspicuos, does not always show up in obvious episodes but thje decline may be seen in the trend of wht the subject verbalizes, or in Trump’s cased, posts.
One can agree with something that he’s posted without themselves being mentally challenged because one may rely on different premises from other people who may think it craazy.
Death for Mark Kelly for stating a rule of war that’s drilled into our military people from the time they sign on?
Maybe that’s ignorance, not insanity.
John,
Did you read my responses the last time this subject came up, where I linked stories talking about ‘the weave’, as Trump puts it? As far as I could tell, last time around you ignored my response. Is there some reason that, if I invest time and energy discussing this with you this time around I should expect a different outcome? Because being stuck in a loop where you start discussions but never actually engage responses doesn’t strike me as a good or even entertaining use of my time.
We can try again, if you want. There are explanations out there of Trump’s speaking style (I think his social media use is an extension) that you have not addressed and appear to be willfully ignoring. What do you say to that?
Mark
I apologize for not responding to some of your posts. I had no intention of wasting your time.
I’ll go back to see what you wrote about the “weave” although my response to the idea when he first broached it was that it was nicer name for attention defecit syndrome.
In Trump’s favor, I think he’s easily bored and I definitley don’t see that as a problem depending on how he organizes his activities.
John,
If you disagree with the explanation, that’s fine. I wouldn’t have wasted your time bringing it back up if you had indicated that you had examined the argument and disagreed with it. Like I said, it’s a free country, it’s perfectly fine if you think Trump is ‘losing it’. I think most here disagree about that though.
[Edit: If, having examined our arguments and us having examined yours, we merely disagree, is there something further to say? My answer: beyond saying ‘agree to disagree’, I don’t see what. So I don’t understand why we keep returning to this.]
If I was a less trusting soul, John, I would think that you were deliberately trying to keep the idea alive because it’s your form of activism on behalf of the Democratic party, rather than any genuine desire for a real good faith discussion on the subject. But naive little lamb that I am, I am certain that is not the case.
john ferguson wrote: “suppose Trump does filter everything he says?”
Of COURSE Trump filters what he says. So far as I know, Trump has never spilled confidential information. Unlike Biden (example:”minor incursion”). He does not say things that express policy contrary to expressed policy. Unlike Biden (example: any number of statements on Taiwan). Trump routinely keeps his cards close to his chest, but I don’t think he has ever accidentally revealed what he has in his hand. Biden often did not seem to know what cards he had.
What Trump does not do is apply the standard media training filter to transform what he says into something anodyne and meaningless. I think that is good.
The claims of Trump calling for violence or peoples’ deaths are greatly exaggerated.
Trump seems to look at everything as a negotiation and starts the “discussion” at a fantasy level so he can “back down” but bring the other party over/closer to what he really wants.
In the case of Kelly, what the Seditious Six did in their video was encourage insubordination in the ranks, especially since they couldn’t name a single illegal order.
At its extreme, yes, that behavior could incur the death penalty. We however are not at war so that’s not a realistic penalty and I believe Trump knows that. However, merely mentioning that shocks the listeners so the actual potential penalty (reduction in retired rank, probably financial fines) feels much more reasonable and is more likely to be accepted by the general public.
I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: ignore what Trump says and watch what he does. As Ben Shapiro stated, Trump says a lot of s–t. Sometimes some of it is even rational or true.
My corollary is that a lot of what he actually does is quite rational and he uses outrageous public commentary to gain wider acceptance for what he is really after. Whether you agree with his actions or not, that strategy to shift how his actions are perceived is quite rational.
I concur that Trump’s policy actions are first rate. I almost never disagree with his actions.
I further agree that Trump’s jabberwocky is outrageous.
“Death for Mark Kelly for stating a rule of war that’s drilled into our military people from the time they sign on?”
I think there might be another angle of what Mark Kelly, et. al. were doing there. This was a prepared remark from an organized group with a specific purpose.
Publicly undermining leadership like this generally works exactly nowhere. The most common response is your future at an organization is ended but privately and beauracratically. Trump is doing it out in the open as he usually does.
One way to deal with Trump’s bluster is to never listen to what he says, works for me. I watch what he does.
Derk H is correct as to how Trump starts a negotiation. Trump would never open a negotiation by asking for the moon. No way would he not also demand the stars. Example: What does Trump want with regard to Greenland? A lot less than he is asking for.
But I think a lot of the outrageous stuff Trump says is not best seen as a negotiation. Trump is working to shift the Overton Window. He will not succeed long term unless he can do that. But to shift the Overton Window requires pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable. So Trump needs to say outrageous stuff.
The Left has been relentlessly pushing the Overton Window for decades. They have had great success. Just the other day, the Supreme Court heard arguments about whether a man could be a woman. Not long ago, that would have just been laughed out of court.
If a Republican were to do anything close to what the Seditious Six did, he would be widely condemned and quite possibly ruined politically. But Democrats can say such things without consequences. Except that now, thanks to Trump, it looks like one of the Seditious Six (Kelly) will suffer at least a small consequence (post-retirement reduction in rank and pension). The Overton Window will have shifted a bit.
The left became obsessed with speech control about 20 years ago and went way beyond reasonable.
One of Trump’s WMD’s is him completely ignoring speech codes from polite society and begging them to try to censor him. As it turns out the public was completely fed up with this soft censorship due to overreach and it ironically branded Trump’s BS artistry as authentic.
It’s been working for him for a long time and he isn’t going to stop.
Oh come now, Tom Scharf, Trump showing Lavrov the satellite photos of the Isreali Defense arrangements wasn’t spilling confidential information. The Israeli’s certainly thought so.
Do you have any idea what he’s discussed in his un-recorded sessions with Putin? Only the two of them know assuming the CIA hadn’t bugged the place.
As to the Deat h stuff being exagerated, do you really not know of the people who Trump has accused otf Treason and gone on to suggesrt that their offenses deserved capital punishment.
Or, fogive me, it’s ok when he does this because everyone knows it’s just Trump being Trump. Well that is true, but it is not a good thing.
I do completely agree with you that his complete lack of PC conciousness is wonderful. Thank God, it was about time. Although I spend a lot of time at one of the local colleges and it’s still there, along with the pronoun idiocy.
Mike M.
You don’t think Trump called for Mark Kelly’s death?
john —
Trump called for Kelly and the others to face trial for sedition and noted the crime could be punishable by death. That’s factually correct as a maximum sentence.
He also reposted tweets or posts by others to hang the Seditious Six. This is where he frequently uses the gray area of reposting because it allows him to put something out for public discourse without explicitly saying it’s the action he endorses.
Make no mistake — he likes to provoke public discourse with shocking statements but he also falls short of the explicit calls for violence or endorsement of such that get a pass from the Left for leftist causes (e.g., the anti-ICE, anti-DHS, et al protests).
I’m not a fan of either but it’s funny that there is so little focus on the explicit calls for violence by the Left with so much paid to Trump’s implied calls.
john ferguson, mark bofill,
I have not seen anything (so far) that makes me think Trump is suffering from dementia; quite the contrary…. his willingness to do long unstructured interviews suggest to me exactly the opposite.
The thing about dementia: it is inevitably progressive, and usually accelerates with time. I suggest returning to the issue in 6 -12 months or so.
Steve,
That’s sounds like a good plan to me.
john ferguson asked me: “You don’t think Trump called for Mark Kelly’s death?”
I don’t. Because he didn’t, as explained by Derek H above. Trump did fo further in that direction than I would like.
john ferguson,
Dang, I misspoke. I wrote: “Trump has never spilled confidential information.” I meant to say that he never did that accidentally in public remarks. But I think that should have been clear from context.
John Ferguson,
I’m not sure what you are getting at here. Trump is commander in chief and can pretty much do whatever he wants with very few limits as to classified material. Whether that is wise or not is another discussion and I’m sure in many cases Trump is not particularly wise about it.
What is this comment about Putin about?
The Kelly group was effectively asking members of the military to unilaterally refuse commands based on their personal views of the constitutionality of commands. It doesn’t work that way, they can refuse and if those commands are found to be constitutional later (likely in most cases with regard to commander in chief) then the person refusing commands can/will be rightly prosecuted or disciplined.
The military needs a chain of command to be effective so those breaking the chain better do so very carefully and very wisely.
In a similar vein a lot of people are running around claiming ICE enforcement is unconstitutional (see the nutty lawsuit filed by MN / IL). They can make those claims and test them in court, good luck. Federal officers get to enforce federal law in every state as it turns out.
Even when the action by the President is found to be unconstitutional, the remedy is to stop the action, it is not criminal prosecution. Biden wanted a vaccine mandate through OSHA, it was halted by the courts. Individuals in the healthcare industry didn’t unilaterally declare it unconstitutional in their opinion and refuse to carry it out.
IMO Trump is equally crazy now as he was in 2016. Read that as you want, ha ha.
The difference in the second term is he is much more proficient at using the levers of government power to accomplish his policy and vindictive impulses.
He’s a total a**hole who cannot be trusted, but he got elected so we are stuck with him.
Tom, I agree with most of what you’ve written above. Certainly to refuse to obey an order thought to be illegal carries the great risk the a court martial won’t agree.
The motivation for the “traiterous six” to make the statements they did regarding the basis in our military’s rule book and of a rule which apparently memorialized in a plaque installed somewhere at West Point is that there were numerous messages of concern emanating from the folks involved in the sinking of motor boats in the Carribean.
Officers at some level and above can refuse to do whatever it is and resign their commissions without (If I understood correctly) repercussions.
The Kelly group was NOT asking them to refuse an order, it was reminding them that they COULD, in the right circumstances.
I don’t like what ICE is doing, but I doubt thatit is unconstituional as the plaintiffs are likely to soon discover.
Have you forgotten the unmemorialized meeting between Trump and Putin a few years back?
John Ferguson,
I didn’t understand the death thing so I see that is about the call for Kelly’s death penalty. I didn’t even hear about that or completely dismissed it. Trump bluster. Even if they prosecuted him, which is very unlikely, it wouldn’t stand a chance. Trump probably wrote that taking a dump on his gold toilet at 3 am and got a good laugh and went to bed.
So if Trump directly orders the miltary to kill a bunch of civilian protesters for spite then this type of thing would apply and I would expect commanders to not carry it out. I don’t expect they needed a political propaganda video from Kelly to do it either.
I think it was performative politics all around.
Mike M.
I’d accept that he never accidentally spilled classified information and raise you one. I don’t think he’s done it at all, at least not in the public forum we have access to.
Is the concern that Trump / Putin meetings and phone calls are not properly documented?
I’m not very worried about that. IIRC Kennedy made a secret agreement during the Cuban Missile Crisis to remove US missiles from Turkey that wasn’t found out for decades.
Demagoguery isn’t the same thing as dementia.
Not to say demagoguery is admirable, only that it isn’t evidence Trump is losing his marbles.
Also, it’s a malformed concept to think the Commander in Chief can ‘spill classified information’. The whole system is implemented by executive order (Executive Order 13526 in fact, signed by Obama). With the exception of nuclear secrets apparently… It’s the President’s classification system to begin with, basically.
john ferguson,
As president, Trump can disclose whatever intelligence information he wants, to whomever he wants.
I do want to point out that the “But it’s Trump” exceptions to normal behavior grow tedious after a while. Obama ordered the execution of US citizens via drone strikes. I don’t recall retired military officers then issuing a manifesto reminding soldiers that they don’t have to carry out ‘illegal orders’.
As others have pointed out, refusing orders is highly frowned upon and can lead to imprisonment (or worse!); retired officers objecting to Trump’s orders needed to be explicit about what they deemed illegal, and been willing to suffer the consequences when a court-martial proceeding found them inciting insubordination. The rational that “It’s Trump, so you don’t have to follow orders you think are illegal’ is pure BS. Kelly will get demoted in retirement, and lose some pension: I say that is quite reasonable under the circumstances.
Mark,
you’re right, Pres can share classified information.
and Kudos for the term “malformed concept” It really is a brilliant turn of phrase.
john ferguson wrote: “The Kelly group was NOT asking them to refuse an order, it was reminding them that they COULD, in the right circumstances.”
The only way that claim stands up is if the Seditious Six were making a purely performative statement and that they did not expect anyone in the military to take it seriously.
The video was not in any way “educational” since it made no mention of the very limited circumstances under which an order can be refused.
They were most certainly encouraging members of the military to disobey orders. They said that: “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.”
The meaning of that paragraph is as clear as it can be while giving the Seditious Six plausible deniability. They are saying that Trump is a threat to the Constitution who is giving illegal orders to turn the military against the people.
They also said they will “have their back” if members of the military get in trouble for disobeying an order. And they threatened consequences for those who DON’T refuse orders. Combined with the fact that they said nothing about what the illegal orders might be, that amounts to an open ended encouragement to violate orders.
Mike M,
“This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.”
That is clearly a violation of the UCMJ, and blatant insubordination by a retired military officer. There is no “But it’s Trump” exception to insubordination, and Kelly is lucky he has not suffered greater consequences.
A legacy of Biden‘s DEI program will haunt Black people for years to come.
For example, the pilot of the rocket ship going to the moon is a black man. Since NASA had a DEI program in force when he was picked, there is no way of ensuring that color of your skin didn’t influence the choice. He may be the best goddamn astronaut in the entire corps, but we will never know because the selection process included skin color.
Grok says this:
• No Explicit DEI “Proof” Either Way: There’s no public evidence from NASA that Glover’s selection was primarily due to skin color over merit—his record stands on its own. Conversely, while DEI policies exist at NASA (as in many federal agencies), the astronaut corps is merit-based and highly selective, with only about 5% of astronauts historically being Black. Glover himself has emphasized focusing on the mission over personal milestones, asking NASA not to highlight his “firsts” during his ISS stay.
“An AI-powered program used by a police department in Utah drafted a preliminary report indicating that a police officer had transformed into a frog. It appears it picked up the concept from a movie running in the background of the scene.” https://www.lehtoslaw.com
Edit to provide more direct link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNutsZDzFso — lucia
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Defense attorneys will have a field day attacking AI written police reports. The officer is signing a report that the AI wrote.
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A long and branching path of attack on the veracity of the report due to well documented issues with AI work product errors and hallucinations will give a defense attorney quite a bit to work with.
Mike M.
Of course the “seditious six” expoected to be taken seriously. I would think that you’d be aware that there is/was uncertainty in the military about the legality of the motorboat shoot-ups.
And there should be.
CBS?
“If a student’s sex is disputed, the law requires the athlete to provide a health examination and consent form that verifies their biological sex at birth,” one report from Tuesday read.
As opposed to gender identity.”
angech,
What is the point you are making? Was that information reported by CBS news in the USA? The Canadian Broadcast System? Somewhere else? What law or regulation is the basis of the report?
john ferguson,
“….there is/was uncertainty in the military about the legality of the motorboat shoot-ups.”
But that is not what they said. Had they said that, then Kelly would be subject to court-marshal as a retired officer. Claiming an order was/is illegal is subject to legal determination.
Ed Forbes,
What I often find in AI writing are critical errors that make the document completely false. Things like factor-of-10 errors in units are routinely present, and contradictory “facts” are often presented in the same document. Revealing, I think, what everyone understands: AI is not really “intelligence” at all, but a mindless, often inconsistent representation of what it finds on the internet.
Super-efficient at finding even obscure information. Crappy at evaluating information.
Looking more and more like the mullahs will stay in power in Iran……. no matter how many protesters they have killed.
Multiple news reports say the Europeans, Gulf States, and Saudi Arabia have all been working behind the scenes to keep Trump from attacking the Iranian regime.
SteveF
I’m having a hard time connecting what you’ve written above with what Kelly said in the reprise I saw..
None of the six specified a particular order to be disobeyed. Had they, your point might make sense to me.
I understand that the issue is/was under hot debate at MacDill especially after the resignation of an Admiral thought to involve the possibility that shooting up motor-boats was not a legal order.
My guess is they’d all heard that the issue was under debate, possibly/probably thought the order to shoot the survivors was illegal, possibly the entire campaign, and thought those who were in doubt about whaty to do might need some reassurance.
BTW: When I think it’s appropriate, I’ll be editing to add more direct links. Ed put a link to the “top” of a blog– which was probably appropriate when he visited it. But by the time I visited, it was no longer showing the story about AI saying a cop was turned into a frog. So I googled and found the direct link — the first I found was the video. I left Ed’s first link to the blog that reported it.
I used ‘darkblue’ for the font to indicate my edit.
Hope people don’t mind. I’ve been correcting accidentally dead links for a long time. I just figure in cases like this, my edit is fixing to do what the person commenting intended.
lucia,
feel free to help my posts at any time.
It got down to 37° on my back porch last night. It’s 42 now, warm enough for the heat pump sweet spot where it’s most efficient. I probably won’t even take a quick dip in the pool today.
is john ferguson13 a new handle?
“I understand that the issue is/was under hot debate at MacDill especially after the resignation of an Admiral thought to involve the possibility that shooting up motor-boats was not a legal order.”
OK, that is your understanding. What is it based on? Where is the formal statement from the admiral questioning the lawfulness of an order (or orders)? Or a statement from any active duty officer? I doubt they exist, because those officers understand questioning an order that is later determined to be lawful has terrible legal consequences for them personally. Please show me if I am mistaken……. I am happy to be proven wrong….. but anonymous sources quoted by MSNBC, or the other usual suspects, count for nothing.
That is why Kelly did not specify how “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution.” Specifying “how” would subject him to court-marshal. I don’t doubt Kelly thinks Trumps orders are unlawful. He just doesn’t have the courage to say so.
I guess a democrat must be purer than Caesar’s wife to avoid a primary challenge from the left.
The group targeting Fetterman ought to be aware Pennsylvania is not politically like California or Massachusetts. I am pretty sure they aren’t aware of that. Should they manage to unseat Fetterman in a 2028 primary, the winning candidate will likely hold views which lead to a loss in the general election.
john ferguson13 wrote: “I understand that the issue is/was under hot debate at MacDill especially after the resignation of an Admiral thought to involve the possibility that shooting up motor-boats was not a legal order.”
You are either being sloppy (my guess) or playing perfidious word games (I think not).
The orders to shoot up the drug boats were absolutely legal. Not a gray area. Clearly legal. That is true even if the President exceeded his legal authority in issuing those orders.
To be clear, I just said that the orders were legal even if they were illegal. The reason is because there are different definitions of what qualifies as “illegal”.
The military does not get to decide for themselves if orders are consistent with the War Powers Act or Supreme Court decisions. The circumstances in which an order can be refused are extremely restrictive. An order can be refused only if it is illegal in a certain narrow sense. Shooting up drug boats does not meet that criteria.
It is my understanding that under some circumstances senior officers can be allowed to resign rather than executing a questionable order. Perhaps doing that may have been under debate at McGill, although I am not accepting that the rumor is true.
john ferguson,
The Seditious Six were not talking about the drug boats. They said that “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.” The drug traffickers were not American citizens.
To the extent that their message did apply to the drug boats, the Seditious Six ought to be put on trial and convicted. That is because the only thing they had to contribute to that debate was a threat that amounted to saying: “If you obey orders we don’t like, then will we come after you when we get back in power”.
Of course, they can not be put on trial because they kept things vague enough that they can not be pinned down and refuse to say what they were actually talking about.
The Seditious Six are a disgrace.
The US Coast Guard has been taking out drug boats for years. I don’t see what difference it makes it now it’s the Navy.
Bigger weapons, bigger booms, but it’s the same concept. If you wanna crash the borders of the United States, should expect to deal with the consequences.
When the Israeli’s, Saudi’s, and Gulf States are all begging Washington to not do something, it is probably prudent to reconsider that action.
It is tempting to assume that the fall of Khamenei will lead promptly to a more reasonable stable government in Iran. But what if the circumstances are such that his fall will lead to chaos and civil war? If that happens, it happens. But we should probably not be trying to hasten it.
I think a case could be made that the opposition won’t be ready to govern until they are strong enough and well organized enough to push Khamenei out without our help.
Man, am I glad that I don’t have to make such decisions.
Russell,
I don’t think the Coast Guard blows the boats up.
SteveF
I live in St Pete and belong to an organization which includes active duty officers at MacDill. And despite Make M’s compelling reasoning, a military officer can suspect an order requires an action which may be illegal whether MIke M. thinks it is or not.
Additionally, discovered by Perplexity:
The Posse Comitatus Act generally bars use of the federal military (including federalized National Guard) for domestic law enforcement unless Congress has clearly authorized it, such as through the Insurrection Act or specific statutes.
Although the issue of legality of the suspect orders is certainly debateable, the right of an officer or enlisted man to doubt that and refuse it is what we’re writing about here and that certainly is embedded in our system.
Here’s what Gemini tells me about the subject.
Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), several articles cover the refusal to follow orders. If the order is found to have been legal, the service member may be charged with:
Article 90 (Willful Disobedience): Specifically regarding a superior commissioned officer. This is the most serious charge. In peacetime, it can lead to a dishonorable discharge and years of confinement. In a time of war, it can technically carry the death penalty (though this is extremely rare).
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Article 92 (Failure to Obey Order or Regulation): This is a “catch-all” charge for violating any lawful general order, regulation, or specific command. It can result in a bad-conduct discharge and up to two years of confinement.
2. The “Manifestly Illegal” Standard
The law recognizes that soldiers are not lawyers. Therefore, the duty to disobey only applies to orders that are “manifestly” or “patently” illegal.
What it means: An order is manifestly illegal if a person of “ordinary sense and understanding” would know it is a crime (e.g., an order to execute a prisoner of war or an unarmed civilian).
The Risk: If the order is in a “gray area”—legal but perhaps unwise, or legally complex—and the soldier chooses to disobey, the court will likely rule that the soldier had a duty to follow it. A mistaken belief that an order is illegal is generally not a valid legal defense for refusing it.
3. Administrative and Career Impact
Even if a soldier is not court-martialed, “disobedience of a lawful order” can end a career through administrative means:
Non-Judicial Punishment (Article 15): Results in loss of pay, rank reduction, and extra duties.
General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand (GOMOR): A formal letter placed in a permanent file that usually prevents any future promotion.
Administrative Separation: The military may move to discharge the member with an “Other Than Honorable” (OTH) characterization, which can result in the loss of VA benefits and the GI Bill.
4. What Personnel Are Advised to Do
To avoid the “peril” of disobedience, military members are trained to take specific steps when they receive a questionable order:
Ask for Clarification: Sometimes an order sounds illegal because it was phrased poorly. Asking “Sir/Ma’am, to clarify, are you ordering me to [X]?” can resolve the issue.
Report to the Chain of Command: If the direct supervisor is the one giving the order, the soldier can report the concern to the next level of leadership.
Consult a JAG or Inspector General (IG): Service members have the right to seek legal advice or file a complaint if they believe they are being forced to act illegally.
Summary: If the order is legal, the soldier’s intent (even if they genuinely thought they were doing the right thing) does not protect them from the legal consequences of disobedience. The military system prioritizes the execution of lawful orders above the individual judgment of the subordinate.
It doesn’t sound like questioning orders and disobeying them is all that ’embedded’ in our system to me. Shrug. I don’t actually know a lot about this though.
Common sense, right? If people feel free to question and disobey orders, the armed forces rapidly lose any semblance of disciplined activity and degenerates into rolling chaos where various personnel are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. The operational consequence is essentially paralysis. We can’t function like that. So – it doesn’t pass the smell test to me to think that soldiers can get away with questioning and disobeying orders lightly.
So which of Trump’s orders does anyone think were ‘manifestly illegal’?
Mark,
I think mustering elements of the National Guard and sending them to patrol cities is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. But that’s what I think, and I believe the “Seditiious six” think the same thing. And I suspect is what they were referring to in the quote SteveF has written.
It was likely Hegseths’s order not Trumps to kill the shipwrecked survivors. The public justification for this act is nonsense. Suspecting that they could radio for help is not in my judgement sufficient to overturn the proscription of “executing” the wounded, and that is a part of our rules of war. This entire Carribean adventure seems lawless to me.
I concede that a lawless act can provide a worthy benefit, but that doe’s not affect its illegality.
And while we’re discussing positive benefits of lawless acts, for my part, I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.
Certainly where someone is convicted of some crime, and is not here legally or in some cases is in the process of naturalization, that person should be deported.
The contractor who did the remodeling of our South Beach condo was depterted midway thorugh the job back to El Salvador because of a traffic infraction. He was gone for 6 months and returned by appeal from his american wife and 4 children. This was in 2000 IIRC.
So the mechanism for deporting un-nautrualized immigrants was clearly already in place.
Well John, in my opinion you are darned lucky you are not a soldier, because I very much doubt that Posse Comitatus Act violations are ‘manifestly illegal’. Similar goes for killing enemies; that’s what soldiers DO. I guess you can rest easy that it’s no skin off your ass if some poor fool listens to your bad advice and goes to prison for it.
John,
And while we’re discussing positive benefits of lawless acts, for my part, I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.
You know that thing called ‘Democracy’, that democrats are always going on about? Donald Trump was elected on a platform to deport illegal immigrants. So it’s nice that you’re completely against following the consequences of adhering to our legal, time tested, tried and true democratic process. Most of your fellow democrats seem to be as well.
john ferguson: “a military officer can suspect an order requires an action which may be illegal”
Of course he can, nobody has said otherwise. The question is what he can do about his suspicion. He can not simply refuse an order unless it fits narrow criteria. But if time permits, he can question an order and potentially take actions that fall in between refusing the order and blindly obeying it.
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“Although the issue of legality of the suspect orders is certainly debateable, the right of an officer or enlisted man to doubt that and refuse it is what we’re writing about here and that certainly is embedded in our system.”
An order can not be refused just because of “doubts”. Mark Bofill has clearly explained why. I think that what is embedded in the system are certain safeguards that can protect against bad orders (not just illegal ones) when time permits. Too bad the officers involved in planning the Afghanistan withdrawal did not avail themselves of those procedures.
In fact we don’t have to speculate:
The “Presumption of Legality”: Under the UCMJ, all orders from a superior are presumed legal. If a soldier refuses to help police a city because they believe it violates the PCA, but the President claims they are acting under the Incurrection Act, the order is legally “cloaked” in authority.
The 2025 Precedent: In recent 2025 court rulings (e.g., California v. Trump), federal judges have found that certain deployments in Los Angeles did violate the PCA. However, legal experts noted that until those judges issued their rulings, the orders were not “manifestly” illegal. A soldier who refused those orders before the court ruling could still have been prosecuted for disobedience, even though the court later agreed the orders were wrong.
Until a Federal judge makes a ruling, a soldier defies the Presumption of Legality at their peril.
Hey Mark,
I think Trump won fair and square in 2016 and 2024. That doesn’t mean that i have to agree with his policies. Did you agree with Obama’s?
FWIW, what we do in a combat situation and what the Ruissian’s do is very different. We have to protect our captives. The Russian’s in the other hand shoot them in the knees and let them go if they don’t have the wherewithal to take care of theml; if the prisoners are inconvenient.
During the war in the South Pacific, the Japanese in some circumstances executed their American prisoners.
And of course you are under no obilgation to agree with Posse Comitatus although it is presently the law of the land. Trump believes his use of the Guard was not subject the the act because he alledged an ongoing insurrection in Los Angeles although other people had a hard time seeing it.
Did you agree with Obama’s?
No I didn’t but god damn it I didn’t call for people to disregard his authority like Democrats do with Trump. I didn’t and don’t believe that I have some sovereign authority to disregard the law whenever I happen to disagree with it as you and your team do.
Maybe team Democrat should back off. I know it’s a difficult concept for people who have been convinced for decades that they hold exclusive claim to all that is right and proper, but it’d do your team a world of good to seriously consider the possibility that just maybe you are wrong in what you are advocating for.
And of course you are under no obilgation to agree with Posse Comitatus although it is presently the law of the land.
It’s not that I disagree with Posse Comitatus. That doesn’t have the slightest bit of bearing on anything I am saying. If you can’t follow the nuance of what I’m saying, I suggest you read and think more carefully.
Mark,
That’s an excellent point with which I agree, but there is still the provision for refusing an illegal order in our military rules. And of course one does so at possible risk of court martial and even death penalty depending on the circumstances.
And that’s really no different from passive resistance ala Gandhi. I have no use for people who want to screrw up the works without risk of arrest, asjudication and possible incarceration.
Rememebr where this country came from. How we were able to escape English rule and becomae a free nation. It was by activities which were criminal at the time.
As to liberal/democratic/?? behavioral challenges to the law, why limt it to us? I thought what happened on Jan 6 was a violent insurrection and for the most part so did the then existing authorities. A walk in the park, hardly.
john ferguson,
” I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.”
Which of course means you want immigration laws to be ignored, save for the parts a you might agree with. That is simple lawlessness. I am sure the people interfering with ICE operations in Minneapolis (and elsewhere) agree with you, and believe what they are doing is “right”. It is still lawlessness, and they should suffer the consequences of that lawlessness.
We have well north of 10 million illegal residents in the USA. They are in the USA because immigration laws have been ignored or barely enforced for a long time. Trump was elected in large part to enforce immigration laws. He is doing what he promised to do.
If you don’t like the laws, work to change them. Subversion of laws leads to chaos….. or violent revolution.
I’m done here. The hypocrisy has surpassed my capacity to remain civil.
Mark Bofill,
“No I didn’t but god damn it I didn’t call for people to disregard his authority like Democrats do with Trump. I didn’t and don’t believe that I have some sovereign authority to disregard the law whenever I happen to disagree with it ..”
That pretty well sums it up.
john ferguson,
“As to liberal/democratic/?? behavioral challenges to the law, why limt it to us? I thought what happened on Jan 6 was a violent insurrection and for the most part so did the then existing authorities. A walk in the park, hardly.”
I challenge you to find a single commenter here who said the Jan 6 storming of the Capitol was a good thing.
Yes, Jan 6 was lawless, and was broadly condemned by conservatives, not celebrated. NOBODY I know believes storming the Capitol building was appropriate. So is it your position that it was perfectly OK to send many hundreds of (non-violent) Jan 6 lawbreakers to prison, but we should give a pass to the many hundreds of people who are physically interfering with legal ICE operations?
Seems to me some lack of consistency there.
I said it before but I’ll say it again. I am quite sure the Seditious Six ran their statements through a lawyer to very carefully walk the line of legality.
That lawyer however may not have considered Kelly’s status as a retired military officer. My understanding was that retired officers with a regular commission could be called back to active duty within 10 years of retirement. I do not know or remember if that 10 year boundary was a matter of law or of practicality.
Regardless, the statements from the Seditious Six were clearly designed to encourage insubordination in the ranks. The claim that military and intelligence personnel were being used against American citizens was at a minimum inflammatory and none of the six could cite any specific instance to support the claim.
This by the way directly contrasts Obama’s knowing use of a military strike against an American citizen without judicial review and the use of intelligence operations against American citizens (not just citizens, sitting American Senators) in both the Obama and Biden administrations.
I will note that some people on all sides of the political spectrum questioned Obama’s military strike. I did not. The citizen struck was actively engaged in terroristic action against Americans overseas so I supported that action.
There is a long history in political propaganda of stretching the truth so much it becomes unrecognizable. Equating objections to illegal immigration to being generally opposed to immigration at all and therefore being racist. Recognizing the threat from Russia as wanting to bring back the 1980s-era Cold War. Opposing the destruction of public artworks being equated to supporting slavery.
It’s fair — in my opinion — to call for an investigation into Kelly’s statement and a legal determination. If he’s found to have encouraged insubordination, a reduction in retired rank and consequently his reduced pay for reduced activity (which is what military pension is legally classified as) could be warranted. I expect the investigation will end up with saying his statement walked the line but didn’t cross it but it’s fair to request the investigation.
I’ll leave this open to let you guys discuss other important events– like ones involving Iran etc.
A lot of the determination for things like shooting up drug boats is more of a “who gets to decide” issue than a factual issue that the courts would adjudicate. The President / administration gets a whole lot of deference here.
Historically on matters of military intervention the courts stay very far away from the decision making. It’s just begging for a constitutional crisis that they will lose. My opinion is I don’t want the lawyers anywhere near an actual conflict.
Politically it is bonkers to take the side of drug runners for some esoteric legal determination, especially after Obama killed a US citizen with a cruise missile.
john ferguson wrote: ” I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.”
I have several problems with that statement. One is the point that SteveF made: They are here in violation of our laws and nobody is above the law. Another is that when lawbreakers are encountered, the law should be enforced. The third is the issue of what counts as a criminal record. Finally, john’s claim advances the myth that the relatively innocuous illegals are the issue.
Efforts to hunt people down should focus on the following:
(1) Those with criminal convictions, either here or elsewhere. Hereafter, I will call those “criminal illegals”. This is, of course, the highest priority group but is not the only priority.
(2) Those charged with crimes.
(3) Those with final orders of removal.
(4) Those who are harboring criminal illegals or associating with such criminals, such as by being members of criminal gangs..
I ask John Ferguson if he has any problem with deporting people in those four categories.
So far as I can tell, very few of those detained and deported are outside those categories. The exceptions are likely illegal immigrants encountered in pursuit of those in the above categories.
I’m neutral on in-country immigration enforcement. If they are working hard, paying taxes, and aren’t committing felonies then I don’t care if they stay.
However if the elected representatives choose to enforce existing immigration law then that is OK too. Those opposed need to do the hard work to change the law and that is continuously overlooked for those allegedly dedicated to democracy.
It is notable that I personally am not impacted by an influx of low skill workforce. If I was then I might see things differently.
AFAICT the administration is not releasing the profiles of people that ICE is picking up. The legacy media is intensely interested in this for obvious reasons (Orange Man Bad) so DHS is reflexively denying them access to that information.
I’ve heard both 70% of those picked up have criminal records and that relatively few have violent criminal records. Maybe both are true.
If you have a deportation order then you should rightly be worried. The backlogged asylum system that most rely on for a delay loophole is broken, this is exploited and gamed by activists.
Mike M.
I agree with your categories and their disposition.
Fromthe news I get, there has been a daily head-count requested by Mr. Miller which cannot be met solely by arrest of convicted criminals whose crime is not simply illegal immigration. And this is exactly what the “libs’ have their panties in a bunch over. Arrests of school teachers, mothers, etc. etc.
SteveF,
My point as not that anyone here supported the Jan 6 affair, but that it happened, and the perpetrators did not appear to me at least to be wildly liberal.
And frankly, I’m getting a little tired of labeling everyone, alhtough maybe it is necessary for clarity.
Elderly Trumpists came to our no-king ( I wish it were no-dictator, but….) rally in Gulfport, were initially subjected to some disdain, and then welcomed and thanked for their bravery and participation in what would otherwise have been a pretty one-sided affair.
It was sort of, if I don’t hate you, maybe you won’t hate me. We can always hope.
john ferguson,
I dislike the idea of hunting down “nice illegals” just to meet a quota. I don’t know if that has actually happened although there seems to be some credibility to Border Patrol, but not ICE, having done that. But simply arresting illegals at a car wash or outside a Home Depot does not mean that they are after “nice” illegals. Border Patrol has since stopped such raids. I suppose that could be an admission that they were doing what they were accused of. Or maybe it was just a concession to the optics of their procedure.
OTOH, when the authorities do come upon “nice illegals”, they should be detained and deported. The law is the law.
Tom Scharf: “I’ve heard both 70% of those picked up have criminal records and that relatively few have violent criminal records. Maybe both are true.”
I think both are true; it all comes down to definitions. From what I have seen, the 70% number seems to include those charged with crimes. Those with convictions seems to be a bit under half. And of course if you narrowly define “violent” crime, then you get a much smaller percentage.
But the 70% does not seem to include those with criminal convictions elsewhere, or those with final orders of removal, or those affiliated with criminal gangs. The “nice illegals” may be the large majority of all illegals, but they are a very small fraction of those being rounded up.
Mike M and Tom Scharf
Let me look into this. My impression that tthe detained for deportation was running well over 70% with no other crime charged or convicted than their illegal immagration. It could very well be that you are correct. I recently went through an episode where all of my usual sources were crying injustice while omitting an important element opf the event which made their conclusions much less “ascertainable fact based”
Spouse hates it when I yell at the TV with “Tell the whole story, dammit”
Per Perplexity responding to a prompt which is conveyed in the respons:
Among people currently in ICE detention, multiple datasets indicate that a majority have no criminal conviction at all (around 70–74%), though this includes people originally arrested by Border Patrol as well as ICE.
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Focusing specifically on those first arrested by ICE, the most detailed breakdowns still converge on “about four in ten” having no criminal charge or conviction apart from immigration violations in the latest available 2025–early 2026 data.
If I suddenly took leave of my senses, and decided I wanted to live illegally in France (or Japan, or Brazil, or Chile, etc, etc), I do not expect the French would ignore my illegal presence because I am a “nice illegal” who doesn’t assault or rape people. They sure wouldn’t give me healthcare. Not sure why people expect something different in the USA.
Yes, yes, the worst of the worst should be the priority, But every illegal should be subject to the law…..AKA deportation.
“ARTEMIS II UPDATE – “GO” FOR ROLLOUT”
The rocket and spaceship is scheduled to leave the vehicle assembly building (VAB) on its way to launchpad 39B. It will be positioned atop the “the crawler”.
It will be streamed live starting at 7 AM tomorrow. Travel time will be 8 to 10 hours.
This is an enormous engineering feat in itself. Here is a picture of the crawler moving the space shuttle out to the launch pad. Notice the size of the human beside it for perspective. https://x.com/rklier21/status/2012265472192876740?s=61
Those in detention may include people not picked up in the raids, and criminal convictions are a different standard than those charged with crimes.
The only people who know the answer is DHS.
In my view a felony criminal charge is enough to pickup, detain, and deport an illegal. It’s a different standard than a citizen. Others disagree. If activists want to pay the bills for ongoing detainment and prosecution of illegals then I’m OK with that.
I’m also OK with detaining those who have deportation orders and those who never even bothered applying for asylum. Not paying your federal taxes? Get on the bus.
John Ferguson:
Suppose we only deported those with criminal convictions in addition to their illegal entry status. What about those who have enter illegally multiple times? What about the next 10 million who cross the border illegally? (I mean, when someone like Biden is elected). Will they also get to stay, no questions asked? What about becoming voters? Is there some level of illegal immigration where restrictions make sense to you?
I am honestly mystified by your position. None of this makes a bit of sense to me. If you don’t punish shoplifting, you get more shoplifting. If you don’t punish illegal immigration, you get more illegal immigration. If you don’t punish murder, you get more murder. Do you think this is not accurate?
The moderates on the left are falling all over themselves trying to stop the “Abolish ICE” slogan. Kind of reminiscent of another slogan.
This particular trend from a while back was frustrating. I had to prod Gemini several times to get it. When the justice system is handing out favoritism to illegal immigrants things have gone off the rails.
The Source of the “Unofficial Policy” Narrative
The narrative of an “unofficial policy” usually stems from directives issued by progressive District Attorneys (such as in Los Angeles or San Francisco).
The “Parity” Directive: Some DAs have issued memos (like Los Angeles DA George Gascón’s Special Directive 22-07) instructing prosecutors to consider the “collateral consequences” of a conviction.
The Logic: They argue that a citizen gets 48 hours in jail for a DUI, while a non-citizen might get 48 hours in jail plus permanent exile from their family. Prosecutors are sometimes encouraged to offer a plea to a different charge (like “Wet Reckless” or “Simple Reckless”) that carries the same criminal penalty but is less likely to trigger automatic federal deportation.
2. The Legal Mechanism: SB 395 and Penal Code 1016.3
California actually has formal laws (not just unofficial policies) that require this consideration:
Penal Code 1016.3: This law requires prosecutors to consider alternatives to “deportable” convictions during the plea-bargaining process if they can still satisfy the interests of justice and public safety.
The Result: This often leads to “immigration-neutral” plea deals. To an outside observer or a victim’s family, it may look like the DUI charge was “dropped” or “hidden,” when in reality it was swapped for a different charge with similar fines and probation but different immigration labels.
Tom Scharf,
“The moderates on the left are falling all over themselves trying to stop the “Abolish ICE” slogan.”
They will need some luck, since they are pissing into a hurricane force wind trying to stop “the base” on this issue.
To me, the fundamental issues are clear: either immigration laws are enforced, or they are not enforced. Selective enforcement is corrosive, and damages the social fabric. Active defiance of law, now in vouge on the left, is even more corrosive to the social fabric. Sadly, active defiance of the law is where many Democrats now seem to be.
SteveF,
If the only way to discourage illegal immigration is what ICE is doing, then I guess we’re stuck. But then even the Gestapo didn’t wear masks.
It might be possible to tune up the quality and compassion of this activity a bit and stillg et the job done. I would think that if there was a high certainty that if you come in illegally, you will be cuaght and sent somewhere, that would severely reduce this form of immigration.
As to the people who have been here for years, are married to citizens, etc, it wouldbe nice to have some other avenue to curing the problem.
I did see an economic analysis that showed that non-college educate immigranst legal or not were a nte loss to the country economically for their cohort, but with the education net gain. This was compiled of cost of social services etc vs taxes paid.
I have no problem with ICE deporting illegal aliens who have no other criminal acts. It’s therapeutic. It’s what drives the huge numbers of self deportations. They are scared of being arrested so they leave on their own. Brilliant!
From Grok:
“According to year-end figures from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of December 2025, approximately 1.9 million undocumented immigrants (often referred to as “illegal aliens” in official statements) had voluntarily self-deported from the United States since January 20, 2025, when President Trump’s second term began.”
“According to the latest available data as of early January 2026, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has conducted approximately 390,000 removals and deportations since President Trump’s inauguration on January 20, 2025.”
John Ferguson,
“But then even the Gestapo didn’t wear masks.”
The Gestapo was not being attacked by the public. If an ICE officer fears for his own safety and that of his or her family (and they do!) then they are going to wear masks.
There is at present a high certainty that if you arrive at the US border and try to enter illegally, you will not succeed, and the number of attempts is already way down (>95%) compared to when Biden was waying people in, giving them a cell phone, and a free bus or plane ride to their desired city. There is no need to change anything, just not go back to allowing people to enter illegally.
People who are married to US citizens, and especially if they have US citizen children, ALREADY have a path to permanent residency… assuming they are not a criminal. They only need to get right with the law… which means going through a legal process. Yes, that will be a PITA for them; they deserve that PITA.
People without a citizen spouse and/or citizen children should, IMHO, just be deported. They have zero business being here, and we owe them nothing.
You know what never happened with the actual Gestapo? People getting in their face screaming and blowing whistles, throwing stuff at them, threatening them with vehicles. There were reasons.
If the US gets to choose its immigrants we would choose those that are net economic gains. Either young and educated or old and self supporting. Nearly every other country has this as a baseline requirement.
The argument is that by the 2nd and 3rd generation they are on parity with normal citizens. If people want to make an immigration “investment” argument, go ahead. I don’t hear this very often. The default is “shame on you”.
john ferguson —
Members of the Gestapo weren’t being doxxed with threats to their families. Unhinged activists are threatening not just the officers themselves but their families and very few on the Left are saying anything to discourage doxxing — if anything, it’s being encouraged.
Derek.
Do we know for a certainty that ICE operatives are being doxxed or exposed to anything beyond the active and possibly obnoxious and very visable disapproval of the locals when they are perfoming mass actions?
OSINT:
“The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Friday issued several Notice-to-Airmen (NOTAM) for the airspace over Mexico, and parts of Central and South America, including Colombia, Ecuador and Panama, urging airlines to “exercise caution” over the region due to “military activities” and potential interference to navigation systems, with the NOTAMs going into effect on January 16, 2026, and lasting until March 17, 2026.” https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2012252733676433802?s=61
In Bost V Illinois, the SC ruled a congressional candidate has standing to sue Illinois about election rules that appear contrary to Federal laws making election day a specific day. (Illinois continues to count mail-in ballots received until two weeks after election day.) The case had been dismissed at the district court for lack of standing.
Which sounds like the Court is inclined to say that the specified Federal Election Day is in fact a day, not an election ‘season’. The case returns to the 8th circuit, where the legality of Illinois ballot rules will be considered.
SteveF
Dothey have to be postmarked on or before elction day? If not, there clearly is something wrong with this practice. Requiring that everyone vote on voting day, no earlyu voting, and certainly no late voting is very likely to produce a different result than one produced by these looser schemes. I think it’s worth discussing whether voting over a period of days was ever part of the original plan.
I like the idea that if we all voted at once, and in person, we might get a higher quality result – better informed voters who care enough to be inconvenienced?
john ferguson,
Apparently not, according to The Hill:
The lawsuit particularly targeted rules requiring election authorities to count all mail-in ballots received up to 14 days after Election Day. The rules further require election officials to accept and count those ballots even if there is no proof they were actually mailed by Election Day, as the law claims to otherwise require.
It took me a while to even find that. One of my pet peeves about the MSM: endless reporting on a matter of simple fact, but failing to provide basic information for readers to evaluate the story. I mean, the issue of accepting ballots without proof of postmark up to 14 days after the election is THE issue that led to the original lawsuit, yet reporters seem to go out of their way to hide that from the public. They instead use anodyne descriptions like “a legal dispute about election rules”. It is nothing like that. It is dispute about the clear possibility of election fraud, enacted by Illinois in ways that appear contrary to Federal election law. Other descriptions border on willful misinformation.
I don’t think SCOTUS said anything about the merits in Bost v Illinois. They only ruled on the issue of standing.
Although I like early voting, I am inclined to agree with john ferguson re election day. At a minimum, mail-in ballots ought to be severely restricted (because fraud) and the interval for voting ought to be short (no more than a week).
Mike M,
Yeah, looks like they ruled on standing https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-568_gfbh.pdf
“Held: As a candidate for office, Congressman Bost has standing to chal-lenge the rules that govern the counting of votes in his election. Pp. 3–
10”
Mike M.
For my part, maybe the idea of everyone voting at once is a bit romantic, but having voted early only to have information show up between when I voted and the election and having wished ot have voted differently, the idea of everyone voting based on the same information is very attractive to me. I’m not so concerned about voting fraud so much since its extent seems much diminished since 1960 where Dad’s boss voted Republican in a Chicago precinct where no Republican votese were counted.
SteveF,
I think the biggest of the MM crimes is not telling the entire story, leaving out contravening information, or even the most salient information.
And then there’s the utter crap about how carefully Trump descends stairs, or had black and blue patches on his hands. If I bang my hands into a door frame, I get the black and blue spots too. I take care on stairs because when you’re older, maybe your balance isn’t as good as it used to be, and a fall may be devestating. I now lapse into brief naps when things are a bit slow, or I already know the content I’m being lectured on. My God, does no-one recognize that the stuff Trump naps during might be deadly dull? It’s ageism and it’s written by kids who have no idea what they are wrting about.
And there’s the speculation a bout diapers. If it’s true, he doesn’t like it anymore than anyone else woulld and it has absolutley notrhing to do with his capability to govern.
Or the cankles. Guess what. If you get a new knee like I did, you may get a form of Edema which makes your leg swell over the course of the day. And again, this has nothing at all to do with his metal acuity.
Given my opinion of the guy that I’ve expressed here, you may wonder at how I could sympathize with him. Well I do.
While I’m at it, I think it’s in John Grisham’ “The Firm” I’m reading along through a section which involves some observations on the physical qualities of his squeze du jour. He remarks that her buttocks (he used another term which I can’t remember) had begun to sag a bit.
I was astonished that he was troubled by this, wondered why, and then found that he’d written this when he was in his early twenties and likely had not before seen this condition at this point in his life.
john ferguson,
I think that vote fraud has made a huge comeback because of unrestricted mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting. If any members of the old Daley machine are still around, they are no doubt asking “Why didn’t we think of that?” And answering “Because we’d have never gotten away with it.”
Mike M.
This may be another area where MM cannot be trusted, but maybe AI, in my case, Perplexity suggests that in most states vote harvesting is tightly restricted and ballots cannor even be delivered except by family members.
Your assertion of “huge comeback” doesn’t seem to be borne out by later audits of the 2020 election which seems the most challenged in recent years.
My concern would be more that people who voted 30 days in advance might have learned something in the last week (October Surprise?) that would have led them to vote differently.
and in support of your suggestion of vot harvesting, giving a party say 30 days opportunity to go around and harrasss the electorate cannot be a good thing no matter who does it.
Here, we have to resubmit our credentials to the Supervisor of Elections every two years in order to have mail-in ballots sent to us. When we vote, we carry them in.
And they do take care. I’ve had my signature challenged once. I can’t do it the same every time and the challenge was honest. I went in and voted in person which solved the problem.
John –
I have seen threads on Reddit where people have posted pictures of ICE agents and actively asked for people to identify and locate them. I didn’t follow the threads because that activity disgusts me so I don’t know how successful they were but the point is that people are trying. We’ve already seen the results of leftist activists doxxing others like Justice Kavanaugh and members of the Trump administration.
Non-engaged voters should get to vote easily and their votes should count just as much as the political junkies. Perhaps this produces a lower quality result by some metrics but democracy isn’t about high quality.
The problem with late voting (errr … Chicago, Philadelphia) is the opportunity it presents for corruption.
I’m not so much interested in early / late voting as I am about counting all the votes at once to prevent late breaking “adjustments” when a vote tally is known. I don’t think it is unreasonable to force mail in voting to be postmarked about a week before the in-person election day. Make this prominently marked on the mail in ballot.
The Artemis rollout livestream currently has the rocket rolling out with a big SpaceX building in the background, ha ha.
???
So it is like in person voting except that your ballot is already filled out? That is not mail-in. And is less subject to fraud, but still not nearly as secure as in-person voting.
There are many states where vote harvesting is officially not allowed. But even where banned, there are workarounds. If there are drop boxes, the harvester can just drop a whole bunch of collected ballots in the drop box. Or they can put a whole bunch of mail-in ballots in a mail box. Where you have easy access to mail-in ballots, you will have vote harvesting.
“doesn’t seem to be borne out by later audits of the 2020 election which seems the most challenged in recent years.”
But there was not much in the way of audits. All those court cases the Republicans famously lost were about efforts to do proper audits. And when private groups turned up evidence of fraud, they were ignored.
The secret ballot was a major step in providing election integrity. A mail-in ballot, or any other ballot not filled out at the polling place, is NOT a secret ballot. A secret ballot does not mean that secrecy is optional; it means that secrecy is mandatory. That prevents vote buying.
p.s. – For personal reasons, I do not care for the phrasing “MM cannot be trusted”. 🙂 And anyway, MSM is clearer.
“The problem with late voting (errr … Chicago, Philadelphia) is the opportunity it presents for corruption.”
Unfortunately, there are many issues with both early and late voting. Many states announce the number of early voting ballots by district or by county before election day. Even though the vote totals are not released, you can tell in advance what the vote total will likely be based on the political lean of each region. That means a party can recognize, before election day, where they need to “get out the vote”, and where things look favorable to them. Ballot harvesting is also problematic (some ‘operative’ collects 80 ballots at a local dementia care center, and shockingly enough, they are 100% Dem votes).
ANY plausible means to game the election ought to be prohibited.
Tom Scharf wrote: “Non-engaged voters should get to vote easily and their votes should count just as much as the political junkies. Perhaps this produces a lower quality result by some metrics but democracy isn’t about high quality.”
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.
Democracy depends upon engaged voters to work. Too many non-engaged voters, and democracy will fail.
As we have made it easier and easier for people to cast irresponsible votes, the health of our democracy has been declining. I think those two things are connected, although there are also other causes of the decline.
Trump wears diapers? Hilarious.
Mike M,
“But there was not much in the way of audits. All those court cases the Republicans famously lost were about efforts to do proper audits. And when private groups turned up evidence of fraud, they were ignored.”
Mostly I think Federal Courts were unwilling to get involved enough to rule on the merits. That was no doubt driven by the multiple drop-dead dates following the election; the courts recognized that any attempt to change the results would lead to a “Constitutional crisis”. IMO, Republicans were far too complacent before the election, when legal challenges to mostly state-court mandated changes in voting rules, “because Covid”, and contrary to those states’ laws, had a chance to be heard. Challenges after the election were doomed to fail.
Mike M,
Nope. There is no requirement that voters need to be politically engaged and access to the voting system should be equal opportunity and simple. Non-engaged voters know what their priorities are and should be able to express these like anyone else.
You see “engaged” voters as increasing quality, I see it as introducing the biases of the politically engaged, which is primarily the priorities of the higher income, educated, and urban voter.
I see the “quality” aspect being taken care of by * representative * democracy. We certainly would not want a real democracy where everything was a voter referendum on complex policy.
Americans have the God given right to be idiots, they frequently are, and we have survived perfectly fine with an idiotic government at times.
Mike M,
Yes, yes, voters should have to pass a written test on current domestic policies and international affairs, and pay a hefty poll tax to vote. 😉
Or as a Brazilian friend once suggested: The number of votes you get in each election should be proportional to the taxes you pay.
Tom Scharf: “You see “engaged” voters as increasing quality, I see it as introducing the biases of the politically engaged, which is primarily the priorities of the higher income, educated, and urban voter.”
That would be a fair point if it were not a false dichotomy. There is a whole lot of room between political junkies and those who can not even be bothered to get themselves to a voting place. We ought to require that voters be willing to make at least a little bit of effort if they want their voices heard.
The non-politically engaged pretty much don’t vote already. I’m not saying we should drag their votes out of them, but we should make it simple enough for them to vote.
1/3rd of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2024. I don’t know if mail in voting changed much of this.
There is no doubt that restricting / opening up requirements changes things at the margins. Voter ID requirements are fine by me. I’m not against overt efforts to limit vote fraud, but it’s a trade off between access.
I like mail in voting. I support motor / voter laws. I showed up at my polling place 20 years ago, stood in line, only to be told that my polling place has been changed so I had to drive somewhere else and stand in line again. That’s just BS, I suppose I was suppose to proactively find out it changed by visiting some obscure government website or something.
Historically there have been cases where these changes on the margins might matter, such as FL in 2000, but it is rare.
Anyway I side with easy access even though I know many people disagree.
Mike M.
our ballots are mailed to us, we fill them out and then take them to the elections office which is within 1/2 mile of us — ie. carry them in.
I saw two coyotes in my yard this morning. They were different from the ones I have seen for years. They were taller and thicker in the body, and they were out in daylight.
Grok tells me they were probably Eastern coyotes, not the normal Florida coyote. They are not rare, but they’re not as common as the Florida coyote. They are larger because they have more wolf blood!
This time of year, a solitary pair traveling together like those two this morning are probably a mating pair. They are either scouting a new territory or marking their existing territory in anticipation of a spring litter.
WOOHOO!
Derek,
I don’t doubt that doxxing ICE personnel is being done, and I certainly know e people who might be capable of something like this, but don’t throw the whole thing on the Left even though it woulld be leftists who would do this in the instant case.
I had supposed that videos of the violence of some of the apprehensions would have only been seen on MS etc. but it turns out that they are shown on CNN andFox as well with no substantial differences in which ones are shown. I mostly watch MS-etc. but with plenty of doubting that what I see is the whole thing and certainly ignoring the crazier rants.
There was a video of one of ICE guys walking down a sidewalk shoving each of the civilians he passed. I’d wondered if it had been seen on cnn or Fox, but don’t know.
john ferguson,
“There was a video of one of ICE guys walking down a sidewalk shoving each of the civilians he passed.”
Link to video?
SteveF,
It was on MSNBC and was pretty amazing. It would have been a whole lot better if the ICE gang had filtered out some of the problem recruits. I did see a lot (ICE officers) that were incredibly patient in the face of guys yelling at them from a foot away. Not having been there, I have no idea how even the filming was but there was some which showed incredible self-control on the part of the ICE guys. And of course there were the others.
BTW, do you think it’s impossible to simply prevent entry into the US without processing by immigration? It would have been a whole lot better had we prevented the problem we have now, and I wonder how some of these folks could have been here for decades without detection, or if detected without anything having been done about it.
SteveF, I found a bunch of them on instagram. AI found them. The evil done by MSNBC in their showing of one of the worst ones was that they looped it in such a way as it looked like the guy was walking down the sidewalk shoving every civilian he passed.
It was only one guy who wasn’t facing him. Knocked down from behind. My guess is this sort of thimng might be a couple percent of the interactions at most.
John wrote: “It was on MSNBC and was pretty amazing.”
No reason to suspect it was showing the actual truth of the matter. Out of context clips is a speciality of modern propaganda. I refrain from passing judgement for a day or so. In that time, a considerably different picture often emerges.
DaveJR,
I pretty much agree. With MSNBC I apply the Feinmann test: What could be wrong with what I’m seeing? Is there another interpretion which might conflict with the very strong Lib POV of this source?
In the instant case, MSNBC had looped the clip in such a way that without really concentrating it looked like the guy was walking down the sidewalk shoving everyine he encountered.
It may have been done innocently but the effect was quite seductive.
What I saw on X was about 95% of contact with protesters being “deserved” IMO, and 5% being overzealous. Neither side is particularly interested in providing context in their propaganda.
Even the clearly overzealous ones were cheered by the usual suspects. You need to have some serious self control to put up with some of the stuff and I very much doubt that is a universal trait.
As long as both sides understand where the lines are then there shouldn’t be too much controversy. I’m a bit surprised there haven’t been more flagrant violations.
I saw one where there was some takedowns of protesters and some genius decided that was the time to set off fireworks. This can be confused with gunfire. This is a moronic move that can easily result in deaths.
I saw a bobcat cross in front of me about a month ago and have seen several scrawny coyotes since then as well. We also have some river otters that are fun to watch.
Tom Scarf,
could the fireworks I saw too have been flash-bangs?
The Permian basin in Texas just keeps perk-perk-perking along, USGS found more reserves…..
January 14, 2026:
“The U.S. Geological Survey released its assessment of undiscovered gas and oil in the Woodford and Barnett shales in the Permian Basin, assessing that there are technically recoverable resources of 28.3 trillion cubic feet of gas – enough to supply the United States for 10 months at the current rate of consumption — and 1.6 billion barrels of oil, or 10 weeks’ supply for the nation.” https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/usgs-releases-assessment-undiscovered-oil-and-gas-resources-woodford-and
Grok:
“Industry analysis indicates extraction economics hinge on oil prices exceeding $50–55 per barrel, with privately held mineral rights likely accelerating development without immediate market flooding. “
Russell: “Another day of no US military aircraft showing up over the Middle East or Asia.”
Harold:
“May have had to do with preparing for this strike in Syria, which apparently killed an Al Qaeda guy named Bilal Hasan al-Jasim:”
You may be onto something there. There is a lot of social media chatteer that they are waiting for the USS Abraham Lincoln to arrive, which could happen in the next few days.
As for now there’s only one navy reconnaissance plane over the whole continent, screenshot at 11:30 AM Florida time: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2012927970160042190?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
John Ferguson,
Anything is possible given the limits of these user videos. It sounded like firecrackers from a fair distance. Usually law enforcement yells before a flash bang so their own people know what’s going on but with lightly trained ICE who knows.
So Bill and Hillary have defied lawful subpoenas from the House Oversight Committee. Why? Because:
“Every person has to decide when they have seen or had enough and are ready to fight for this country, its principles and its people, no matter the consequences. For us, now is that time.”
OK, fine. Now the House may hold them in criminal contempt and refer the cases to DoJ for prosecution. To that I say:
LOCK THEM UP!
I am serious. They say they will accept the consequences. I respect that. When Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro did the exact same thing, the consequences were 4 months in prison for each. It should be the same for the Clintons. Nobody is above the law!
They should, but they will never go to prison.
From NASA:
“1.5 million names are flying around the Moon on Artemis II. Is yours one of them?
It’s not too late to add your name to the mission—and it’s absolutely free:” https://www3.nasa.gov/send-your-name-with-artemis/
I asked Grok about engineers becoming astronauts:
“In detailed reviews of current and recent astronauts (from classes selected since ~2000 onward), engineering backgrounds (broadly including aerospace, mechanical, electrical, systems, etc.) appear in roughly 40–60% of cases, depending on how fields are grouped.
Aerospace engineering alone is frequently one of the top subfields.
Historical data from older corps analyses (e.g., pre-2010s) showed engineering as the most represented, with many astronauts holding master’s or advanced degrees in it.”
I always thought it was mostly military pilots that became Astronauts.
Russell,
Military pilots all have college degrees. I would guess that engineering is a very common choice for such individuals. If you have your sights set on Top Gun, I doubt you would choose to major in Sociology.
Mike, one of my granddaughters is interested. I had been steering her towards military pilot, but she’s a straight A student and also interested in engineering so that might work.
Russell,
But there is no need to choose between being a pilot and being an engineer, at least not until well after completing her education.
Yes Mike, at the Air Force Academy, she could do both!
University of Florida has a good aerospace engineering program and both her parents went to university of Florida so that might be a match..
“NOAA space weather forecasters have issued a G4 (severe) geomagnetic storm watch for tonight, when the main bulk of the CME is expected to hit. If the eruption’s magnetic field is favorably aligned, or “geoeffective”, and G4 conditions are reached, auroras could be visible even farther south than current forecasts suggest, potentially reaching as far as northern California and Alabama.”
I wanted to be a jet pilot as a kid right up until I realized I would have to join the air force, ha ha. You’d probably end up flying tankers or sitting behind a desk anyway. Not a lot of F-22’s to go around. You do generally get a healthy financial afterlife flying airliners.
Even if you end up in the seat of an F-22 the chances of seeing actual action are pretty minimal. At the moment everyone runs away when the US air force shows up and your main job would be dodging ground to air missiles with supporting electronic warfare I expect.
WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were the glory days of dogfighting. The USAF shot down about 35 jets in Gulf War I and there was basically no air to air combat in Gulf War II. I don’t think Iran even chose to take a plane off the ground. If you end up in a dogfight now in a US jet then something has gone horribly wrong. Firing missiles from beyond visual range and get out of town if you miss.
An engagement with China and to a lesser extent Russia would be something else. One of the problems is the US jets are so expensive now that losing one of them is a big deal so the US will likely be very conservative.
Ultimately my prediction is combat pilots will be phased out in the next 20 years as drone swarms large and small take over. Too much focus is in preserving that bag of biomass in the cockpit.
With inflation adjusted prices we could buy ~400 P-51 Mustangs for one F-22.
An F-22 also requires about 30X more maintenance per flight hour.
Would 400 P-51 Mustangs be able to shoot down a F-22? My money would be on the F-22, although it would not be able to take out all the Mustangs without multiple opportunities to refuel and rearm.
Obviously an F-22 can’t carry 400 missiles. Video game people like to run scenarios like this. The F-22 has real value and was designed as a cost is no object air dominance fighter. They come in very handy for things like escorting a B-2 bomber over Iran.
It’s a classic cost vs quantity trade off. The Russians have chosen quantity so far and it’s not working out so great for them by most metrics. The Chinese will likely suffer a quality gap but are catching up quickly with all their industrial espionage and their manufacturing capacity should be feared.
The main point is that losing a P-51 wasn’t that important but if we lost 10 F-22’s in an engagement it would be unsustainable. We also can’t manufacture them quickly in an emergency. The F-35 is suppose to help fill out that role.
So my guess is F-22 > F-35 > Older aircraft (F-18 / F-16, etc) > Low(ish) cost drones. Certainly we have the most complete and powerful air force around.
US Air Force:
F-16C/D Fighting Falcon ~830 – 900 Multi-role / Workhorse
F-35A Lightning II ~450 – 500 Stealth Multi-role
F-15E Strike Eagle ~130 – 150 Long-range Strike
F-22A Raptor 183 Air Superiority
A-10C Thunderbolt II ~140 – 160 Close Air Support (Retiring by 2027)
F-15EX Eagle II ~30 – 40 Heavy Missile Carrier
F-15C/D Eagle ~40 Homeland Defense (Air National Guard)
The F-47 (Sixth Gen) is being developed currently to replace the F-22.
US Navy:
F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (Navy): ~600 aircraft.
F-35B/C Lightning II (USN & USMC): ~300
I was at a session on Friday which included some discussion of how we are throttling parts delivery to Iran for the F-14s they have.
Someone suggest that we should have given them F-111s and by now they’d be bankrupt from the maintenance.
There was once a comparison of the maintenance burden of civilain operationof a Douglas A4 (which required owning a wall of manuals) compared to a Mig-17 which did not require a wall full of manuals nor did it require anywhere near the scheduled maintenance of the A4.
Friend of friend who owned a Mig-21 said the same thing – a basic airplane. The problem among others with the MIg-21 was that the FAA wouldn’t let him fly it at even a maringally efficient altitude so the fuel cost to take it to air-shows was prohibitive.
The world is buying US military hardware, everyone is dumping the Russian junk.
There has been a story circulating all day that Trump is going after Greenland because he was denied the Nobel peace prize by Norway.
I decided it was fake news and ignored it, but the chatter is getting louder and is now being reported by major news outlets:
“Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/norwegian-leader-says-he-received-trump-message-that-reportedly-ties-greenland-to-nobel-peace-prize
Trump has gone off the deep end.
Taking the Nobel Prize from the other lady was kind of low class, but that is the Trump we have. He is pretty petty at times. I just try to ignore it all.
Russell,
I’ve hung in here for the last few years for a couple of reasons.
I like the discussions. I’m often enlightened, but most of all it was to see when some of you guys finally recognize that our hero is a bit nuts, and not improving.
He’s a challenging case because many folks who seem to have similar disconnects with “Reality” can’t put a complete sentence together let alone a series of coherent paragraphs.
He can. This argues to some effect against my premise that he’s on his way around the bend.
“when some of you guys finally recognize that our hero is a bit nuts, and not improving”
For me, that will be based on Trump’s actions. We are not there yet. Not even close.
Tom,
Taking the Nobel Prize from the other lady was kind of low class, but that is the Trump we have. He is pretty petty at times. I just try to ignore it all.
I assumed that was Machado’s effort to remain relevant and in the public eye. I mean, think about it. The situation is likely to improve and Delcy Rodriguez’s popularity is likely to rise as the situation improves. She (Machado) needed to somehow tie herself to Trump liberating the place. In other words, I think that was her idea and her doing. But what do I know? Maybe that was all Trump.
Mike M.
Or inactions?
“Help is on the way”
But then Obama also did something like that and not everyone thought he was nuts.
Mike M.
Or the tariff nonsense? These arfe actions, not only verbal threats.
As far as I can tell from whatg I read, he doesn’t understand that we, in the US, pay for them.
Yes, I think she offered Trump the Nobel Prize with the expectation he would politely refuse to take it. A “noble” gesture. I don’t really know.
mark bofill,
“I assumed that was Machado’s effort to remain relevant and in the public eye. I mean, think about it. The situation is likely to improve and Delcy Rodriguez’s popularity is likely to rise as the situation improves. She (Machado) needed to somehow tie herself to Trump liberating the place.”
Trump could easily have caused many heart attacks among his political opponents: He could meet Machado publicly, thank her for the offer but refuse it….. and say a few graceful words about her efforts and how he hopes she succeeds in helping “the many millions of Venezuelans who have long waited for liberty to return to Venezuela.” Then call for the rump of the dictatorship to hold free and fair elections.
But it’s Trump. He is a jerk, not graceful. So no heart attacks on the left.
Mike M.
Or the tariff nonsense? These arfe actions, not only verbal threats.
As far as I can tell from whatg I read, he doesn’t understand that we, in the US, pay for them.
Why does a President being wrong about something make him crazy? Obama went on and on about ‘shovel ready projects’ and ‘shovels breaking ground across the nation’ and so on and so forth, and eventually came back to admit ‘there’s no such thing as a shovel ready project’. Yet Obama wasn’t nuts.
Must be the D in front of his name, yeah?
Ok. I see. Thanks Steve, thanks Tom.
Tariffs are a tax on consumers but it isn’t that simple. The guv-ment gets tariff income that gets redistributed or replaces taxes paid for consumers. In theory, ha ha. But it is basically friction in the economy that makes it less efficient IMO.
A legitimate use of tariffs is to stop bad behavior from other countries such as invalid subsidies they give their industries, etc. You also may want to protect your own industries for national security purposes.
Trump’s tariffs look mainly to be a negotiating tactic for trade agreements. I don’t think that is what it is useful for but that doesn’t mean it can’t work. Anyone picking winners and losers is likely to also make things more corrupt and less efficient. The impact of these things so far has been minimal surprisingly.
Tom Scharf,
“Trump’s tariffs look mainly to be a negotiating tactic for trade agreements. ”
That is most of it. Truth is, many countries have set up barriers to US exports, most often to protect their own industries, while aggressively subsidizing industries, especially exporters. While it is true those subsidies help US consumers, they crush US domestic producers.
We shall see if Indiana can finish off the Cinderella season tonight.
Tom Scharf,
College football rankings are often way off, in part because there are so few true comparable games that allow teams to be gauged accurately. In the Miami-Indiana matchup, both teams played Ohio State. Both won, but Miami by a bigger margin. If I were a betting man, I would take Miami to cover the spread, and have maybe a 40% chance of an outright win.
I had a an engineer who worked for me many years ago….6’9″ and played college hoops as a power forward…….full scholarship. He bet on all kinds of sporting events, but never college football. Said he: “Too little good data, and too many emotions on the field.”
john ferguson: “he doesn’t understand that we, in the US, pay for them.”
Trump correctly understands that, for the most part, we do not pay for the tariffs. The exporters pay.
Mike M.
Clearly you haven’t bought anything from overseas as I have, or electronic parts from Mouser where the tariff is a line item. Have you bought anything in the US imported from China since the recent tariffs went into effect?
Trump may very well think this, but what you’ve written can only be true when the exporter and importer agree to split the cost of the tariff. This hasn’t happened with my sources. Maybe I should post a copy of one of my invoices so you can appreciate how naive your view of this is.
I’m astonished that your default position seems to be that Trump always knows what he’s doing when the evidence abounds that he doesn’t- always.
I have seen some impacts from tariffs, especially on lower margin products (eg low cost electronic components). OTOH, I haven’t seen much impact on a little higher value products (eg $40-$60 or so per unit), where I suspect the supplier is taking most of the tariff hit. It may have to do with the pre-tariff era margins and/or the level of competition in the market. For sure there is some pass-through of tariffs, but it may be a while before the overall pass-through rate can be evaluated.
Congratulations to the Indiana Hoosiers first national football title in the schools history. The second half of the game was quite exciting.
Trump turned this whole Greenland thing into a fiasco. He started off wrong by becoming aggressive right out of the gate. All of our closest and longest-standing allies have turned against us. He really stepped in it this time. It’s going to be embarrassing backing out of it.
I’m still waiting for my president to explain to me the strategic value he sees in Greenland. I’ve heard a lot of speculation, but I haven’t heard him explain to the nation what’s so important.
It’s all bullshit and bravado.
If Indiana can do it, anyone can. They were the first football team to win their first national title in 30 years.
John, regarding your comment to me:
“I’m often enlightened, but most of all it was to see when some of you guys finally recognize that our hero is a bit nuts, and not improving.”
He may be a bit nuts, but he’s still a lot more sane than Kamala ever was.
And Biden—should we mention Biden’s mental state?
I’m going to preface every one of my negative comments about Trump with “Boy, am I glad Kamala is not president and that Biden was a one-term president.”
French President Macron is calling for a G7 meeting during/next week around the Davos forum. He’s proposing that Russia also attend (on the margins, not as a full member).
He’s trying to pull together an opposition bloc to push back against Trump’s tariffs threats over Denmark/Greenland.
This is getting really sticky.
(Boy, am I glad Kamala is not president and that Biden was a one-term president.)
john ferguson,
Trump is not a politician; he is a fish out of water. And angry most of the time. Like a fish flopping violently on the deck of a boat, there often seems no rationale for his actions….. because there often is none. He is just showing that he is angry. Sometimes there is a rational, but it can be difficult to see with all the senseless flopping around.
Trump will be gone in January 2029. The country will survive him.
SteveF
Mouser charges tariff on everything they paid it on. They have a line on the inovice for it and I paid it on a $90 device. I also have lost access to a couple of suppliers who won’t sell to the US anymore. But generally you are right, they haven;’t affected the general conusmer market yet as far as I can see.
Also, that’s a very good characterization of Trump.
Russell, I agree with you about Biden and Kamala, but that doesn’t relieve my worrying about Trump.
Mark,
Thanks for reminding me about “shovel-ready” It was such BS, I was amazed that anyone at the White House actually believed it.
Obama was an innocent as far as a lot of what goes on in the world is concerned, especially business enterprises. But then he wasn’t threatening 200% tariffs on french wine if Macron didn’t cough up $Billion to join Trump’s “Board of Peace”
or Miller’s recent statement that a country which cannot defend it self doesn’t legally exist. (I paraphrased what he is quoted as saying)
By 2010, Obama himself joked that “there’s no such thing as shovel?ready projects,” acknowledging that many supposedly quick-start projects were slower than expected
And then there’s Trump’s revealing letter to Prime Minister of Norway.
Dear Jonas,
Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only a boat that landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
Were there any doubt, the Russians now appear to be mainly focused on taking control of the remainder of the Donetsk oblast….. establishing territorial “facts on the ground” before negotiations.
At recent pace, that may take a year or more. So the killing will continue.
john ferguson wrote: “They have a line on the inovice for it and I paid it on a $90 device.”
You have no way of knowing what you paid unless you have been buying the same item regularly and can see how the price changed. And even then, there are other reasons the price may have changed. The line item on the invoice is what the exporter paid. It does not show how much of that cost they ate and how much was passed on to you.
How much of a tariff gets passed on to the consumer depends on market conditions for that product. For a low margin product with no domestic source (like bananas), all or almost all the tariff will get passed on to the consumer. Trump has now cut tariffs on such products; I don’t know why he didn’t do that from the start. Greater competition and higher margins will tend to reduce the amount that gets passed on to the consumer. Subsidized exports might not pass on any of the tariff.
Specialty/luxury products bought directly from overseas will likely have most of the tariff tacked on to the price, unless they are subsidized. I don’t care if that happens.
Unlike the predictions from most “experts”, Trump’s tariffs have had no detectable effect on inflation. But our trade deficit has improved. Looks to me like Trump was right. As usual.
Russell Klier: “All of our closest and longest-standing allies have turned against us.”
No they haven’t. It is all bloviating and bravado on BOTH sides. I also dislike the way Trump has been going about this. But it is just words. I refuse to get worked up about it.
Russell Klier: “He [Trump] may be a bit nuts, but he’s still a lot more sane than Kamala ever was.
And Biden—should we mention Biden’s mental state?”
Hear! Hear!
And Biden wasn’t just a public embarrassment to the nation with his words and meandering. He did real damage with his demented policies.
A text message is not the same as a letter. It is deliberately misleading to call a text message a “letter”.
john ferguson,
I do not know if that letter is real, but if so, it is consistent with Trump being incapable of embarrassment….. and acting like a jerk.
That said, do the Egyptians have ownership rights over their former empire? The Italians? The Spaniards? The British? The Aztecs? Do aboriginal people (everywhere!) have ownership rights over the entire world? The practical answer to all these questions is no. The nation-state exists only in so far as it is capable of defending its borders and its existence; militarily, diplomatically, and socially. It is the continuing existence of the nation-state that confers “ownership rights” to the territory it occupies. The conflict over illegal immigration, in the USA and elsewhere, is at bottom a disagreement about the legitimacy of the self-governing nation-state controlling its territory….. and even its existence. The left really does believe in “global governance” and wants no nation-states; this has been the case since the Communist Manifesto.
Who lives in Greenland? Mostly (~90%) Greenland Innuits, not Danes….far too crappy a place to live. Is Denmark capable of defending Greenland? Only through its political alliances, not by itself, and certainly not militarily. Should Denmark control Greenland? That is an ethical rather than practical question, but I suggest it is in the long term an irrelevant question. Nothing is permanent.
Mike M.
As hard as it might be for you to believe this, I do have expereince with buying this particular Chinese made device over the years, and yes, it’s become progressively more expensive. The Tariff line in the invoice is new and was the amount that Mouser paid based on what the thing cost them. It was the tariff amount in effect at the time.
Pokrovsk is a key logistical and strategic hub in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk Oblast.
Russia has been intensively attacking and attempting to capture Pokrovsk since mid-2024, making it roughly a year and a half of sustained pressure as of early 2026. The battle has involved grinding, attritional assaults with waves of infantry, artillery, drones, and infiltration tactics, often at enormous cost in Russian personnel and equipment.
• By late 2025, reports indicated Russia controlled significant portions (e.g., around 67–70% by December 2025), with fighting continuing into the city itself and nearby areas like Myrnohrad.
• Ukrainian forces have held out stubbornly to inflict heavy attrition, but Russian advances continued slowly into January 2026, including infiltrations and assaults in northern and other sectors of Pokrovsk.
Casualties have been described as staggeringly high for Russia.
I have seen numbers from responsible OSINT sources of around 150,000 killed and wounded Russian troops just trying to take this one city, along with hundreds of lost tanks.
I guess it is called progress for Russia because Russia has increased its percentage of the town they control.
Russell,
I suspect that the condition of the land the Russians have acquired by this means is not too good.
Digikey was also itemizing tariff costs. I see this mostly as a political statement, or perhaps they are just making sure their customers understand the cost increases. Some people buy a large amount of stuff.
Digikey could alternately itemize their rent, labor, insurance, and capital equipment costs. I care just as much about that stuff.
The market will work it out, I don’t see excuses itemized on the cost of bananas.
So I hate to sound like a dirty no good gosh darn hippie.
Buying goods cheaply from China, wasn’t that low price due at least in part to the little Chinese worker getting screwed? I mean, here in the US, we have to have OSHA. We have to have unions! We have to have benefits and insurance for our workers; we have to pay them 5 times what the Chinese workers make! I thought these were all cherished hallowed progressive accomplishments.
And yet progressives bitch because they lose the opportunity to exploit cheap labor in other countries. Go figure.
Part of the frustration about Trump from our elite betters is that they sold us a bill of good with “only we can run the world with our fancy degrees and well spoken diplomatic powers of persuasion”. This has been ongoing for decades and they became a bit too entitled and lazy.
“We want some climate vanity projects to impress our friends, let’s just tell people the world is heading to a catastrophe”, “Let’s just tell people that CA high speed rail project will cost $10”, etc.
Trump is testing that model of the world. What happens if a clown takes over? Is the world teetering on an edge where only the well dressed and credentialed can keep us heading forward or is it robust to clown shows?
So far the world seems robust to clowns as far as leadership goes as long as you ignore all the hysterics from our betters. Maybe Trump is not a clown, or maybe the previous leadership were actually just clowns in disguise. Likely a bit of both. The experiment has been worth it.
I’d still prefer not to have a clown show, but serving up a piece of humble pie to the entitled is a useful exercise IMO. They need to ponder how we got to a point where we thought that experiment might be worth a try.
Mark,
Working condtions are not the same in China as they are here, but on the othr hand they’ve raised something like 800 million out of abject poverty in the last 40 years.
When I was buying Chinese GPS chips, I was having some problems with the ones I was getting, emailed info@”whatever the outfit was” with request to email with an engineer.” After about 60 days, I got a response from one of their engineers asking how he could help. I told him what the problem was which essentially was I was using a chip designed to be used n cars and suppress jitter whhenthe car wasn’t moving. This wasn’t helpful for my application. He told me to st my systemup to send a two byte singal to the chip and would turn off the anti-jitter. he asked me to email him back with the result.
I did, and after a couple of more back and forths other things we were interested in, I asked him if it was ok to ask him aobuthis family history.
“Yes”
so I asked about his, his father’s, and his grandfather’s
EE Masters in Shanghai,
Father worked for Post Office in small town and Grandfather was a peasant.
We’ve spent time on our own in Beijing and Shanghai in 2019 as guests of one of the Economist’s reporters. I was able to ask this question of a lot of people, mostly engineers and academics. Answere wasn’t alwasy the same especially with academics who often had academic parents and even grandparents, but still living now is pretty good there.
Lives of factory workers appears to be pretty tough there, but not compared to earlier times there.
And any thought that the Chinese cannot make sophisticated stuff without copying it from us is utter nonsense.
mark bofill,
On a PPP basis, China’s per capita income is equivalent to about US$29K per year, while the USA is about $89K per year. Of course, the PPP figures hide the competitive cost advantage of Chinese manufacturers a bit, since their exported products are sold in dollars, but they pay their workers in local currency. Still, the workers “live” better than their US dollar salaries would suggest.
So you’re good with exploiting them and making US workers non competitive, since the Chinese workers aren’t being screwed as badly as they used to be, do I understand you correctly?
Obama wasn’t innocent of anything. He was ignorant and naive about international business practices as well as the actual economy outside his Marxist fantasies but he wasn’t innocent.
I’m going to disagree a. little with some of my more conservative brethren on tariffs. Yes, tariffs have the potential for raising prices on select items for consumers. Whether consumers actually pay higher prices depends on how much the wholesale supplier is willing to reduce prices to the domestic retailer in order to keep market share.
What many economists ignore is that consumers have a choice and that’s the other rationale for tariffs. Tariffs make domestic products competitive with imported ones. In some cases, the domestic industry has essentially disappeared because they couldn’t compete with the international market on price — with the tariffs, they might be able to and that industry can start again.
Another rationale — and one I prefer — is to use tariffs to replace the income tax, at least in part. I will argue the very concept of an income (versus consumption) tax is anti-economic. It creates structures like all the foundations used by the Kennedy family and others to “hide” their income and assets as well as the “non-profit” organizations used for political and other purposes.
In other thoughts, I would like to eventually get an explanation as to why Trump thinks we need to own Greenland as opposed to the current arrangement with the Danes. He’s right about the strategic importance of the island; I just don’t understand why he’s poking an ally in the eye like this. I don’t really give a fig about Macron; France has been a fickle-at-best ally ever since the days of de Gaulle.
Trump is also correct IMO about Diego Garcia. The UK giving into the ICJ on that island is lunacy (but then Starmer is an idiot). The ICC and ICJ are just forums being used by our enemies to place international pressure on the West; funny how rarely they rule against Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, etc.
Steve,
I’m not saying its the only factor. It’s one of the factors though.
john ferguson,
“Shanghai in 2019”
If you were with your wife, then you weren’t constantly approached by prostitutes. 😉
(The prostitutes’ English was always at least passable!)
They exploit cheap labor in other countries via outsourcing and then import cheap labor to mow their lawns and clean their houses with open borders.
Self interested policy isn’t new.
The worst part is when they sloppily apply a cheap veneer of self serving morality on it to pretend this is about their higher ethics. Gag me with a spoon, man.
I like CSFC (Cheap sh** from China) just as much as anyone for some thing but I’m not going to pretend this is about my higher morals.
Hi Mark,
So you’re good with exploiting them and making US workers non competitive, since the Chinese workers aren’t being screwed as badly as they used to be, do I understand you correctly?
I suppose that would be one way of looking at it. On the other hand, the things I buy from China are not made here so far as I know.
I do think the the entire world benefits when a country rises out of poverty. Boeing wouldn’t be able to sell China airliners for domestic use if the place was in the same condition was 50 years ago.
Derek,
“innocent” in this application is about same as “ignorant”
In a decade or so, Chinese manufacturers are unlikely to have a huge labor cost advantage, and their costs are already above those of places like Vietnam.
Yes, the workers have ‘been taken advantage of’. But in comparison with Mao’s cultural revolution, they live in a paradise.
The globalist vision is that it is OK to sacrifice low skill US workers if it brings the Chinese out of poverty, they just won’t politically run on this overtly.
john ferguson,
“I do think the the entire world benefits when a country rises out of poverty.”
Sure, add up global production and divide by the number of people, and that is global wealth. Still, there is some disruption when expensive workers in the USA (and other “first world” countries) lose their jobs to lower cost workers elsewhere.
Tom Scharf,
“The globalist vision is that it is OK to sacrifice low skill US workers if it brings the Chinese out of poverty…..”
While many fly around the world in their private jets and vacation on their 60 meter yachts…. while complaining about CO2 emissions and the unfairness of white privilege. 😉
There is not a lot to like about hypocrites.
john —
China is trying to make it so Boeing won’t be able to sell them airliners anyway — neither will Airbus because the PRC is trying to bootstrap their own domestic products. This is why it was shortsighted 25 years ago for GE to produce engines in the PRC — they knew the Chinese were just going to learn from and copy their aircraft engines to use domestically and eventually to compete.
The Chinese aren’t stupid. Inferiority in their products in the past (and to some extent today) came from lack of attention to quality control but to a large extent this was the fault of US companies who wrote production contracts without specifying quality control requirements. If someone is getting paid to produce X or more widgets per hour with no requirements to pass QC, they’re going to maximize production and not care about rejection rate.
It’s all well and good to talk about raising another country out of poverty but the academics and government elite who were behind those policies ignored or didn’t care about the effects on the American workers, families, or economy. The job of the USG is to take care of Americans. Beneficial effects for other countries should run a distant fifth or less in those priorities.
The Chinese effectively require you to manufacture in country for access to their market.
Yes, this is accurate and has been a central pillar of China’s economic strategy for decades. This practice is widely known as “Forced Technology Transfer” (FTT) or simply the “quid pro quo” of market access.
While China has technically “opened up” certain sectors on paper (such as removing joint venture caps for automakers in 2022), the reality in 2025–2026 involves increasingly sophisticated ways to compel localization.
They then steal all the IP and then throw out the foreign investors through a variety of mechanisms. This isn’t unique to China.
The scale of industrial espionage by the People’s Republic of China (PRC) in the United States is currently assessed by the FBI and Department of Justice as the “largest transfer of wealth in human history.”
It is pervasive. Part of it is cultural, the Chinese simply don’t respect intellectual property as a socialist society, but it is a concerted strategy.
This is the way of the world but when dealing with China they should not be dealt with as a charity case, but instead as a bunch of industrious and very smart thieves (sorry John). Economics should be viewed as a bare knuckle brawl with these guys or they will rob.you.blind.
This is proven in both the numbers and a litany of anecdotal stories of people’s business experience with China.
Cousins hanging doors on Buicks in Flint in the early ’70s wer making $35k/annually plus benefits working 12 hour days. I think it was 5 day weeks. For those who’ve never worked in a factory, even though this was not a mentally challenging job, you were still exhausted at the end of the shift and coudn’t do much except sleep nor much on Sunday either.
With 30 and out, they could get pensions which were not bad at 46.
At the same time, GM wondered why they were paying all this money where Mexicans would do this for $2/hour IIRC.
Cousins had nice house in LaPeer, Mich, vacation places in upper penninsula, RV, and Boats, not to mention the Buicks.
I lost touch with them after the divorce, but I heard they never understood that their jobs were fragile given that they could be done elsewhere for a whole lot less.
Derek,
Boeing did some sort of deal with China in the ’80s which included techoinolgy transfer. The engineers in Seattle had fits over sharing wing technology in the understanding that Boeing built the best wings in the world and you couldn’t grasp the whole process by taking a plane apart.
As to China made airliner program. Read up on it. they’re struggling.
mark bofill,
I don’t care one way or the other if we are or are not screwing Chinese workers. I very much care if we are screwing our workers. I also very much care if we are undermining our national security by relying on China for critical materials.
Trump’s actions are not those of a clown. Trump’s results are not those of a clown. Trump’s words are not those of a clown — most of the time. But sometimes, ugh.
OTOH, Biden, Bliken, Myorkas, etc. gave clowns a bad name. In spite of no wigs, red noses, or funny shoes.
Mike M.
I couldn’t agree with you more that exporting the manufacture of things critical to our own interests is insane and irresponsible.
And as we discovered when we couldn’t get some microprocessors during the covid disaster which should have alerted us to this hazard. Likely applies to rare-earth supplies and maybe other raw materials which we import or which are essential to our economy.
I use a couple of micro-controllers in my projects. They were US designed but likely manufactured under contract overseas. The market was so disrupted by shortages that a couple of the fabricators shut down their lines for some of the older designs which meant my microcontrollers were replaced by newer models with newer chips which were certanly better, but I didn’t need better, I needed what I had been using.
It’s pretty amazing that not being able to get the right microcontroller meant power windows couldn’t work on one of the car lines, which meant that until they could design around it, they couldn’t sell the affected cars. You won’t be able to google this because it wasn’t public knowledge but the problem, in general, certainly was. And of course if the car had been designed more creatively, they would have built extra but unused hardware into the controllers so that something that becomes impossible can be designed around. For those who understand think “fuses”.
As to no kings, maybe what we should really shoot for is no clowns.
john –
Of course they’re struggling. They’re new to it. However, they will improve, just as they have done with so many other products that were new to their domestic industries.
The engineers at Boeing (and GE) were correct in my opinion. Reverse engineering only takes you so far. The problem in my mind is that the execs at Boeing (really transplants from MDD initially and now MBA types with short-term outlooks) mortgaged Boeing’s future competitiveness for short-term cost reductions.
As with so many other products, the initial Chinese-designed and -made aircraft will stink compared to Embraer, Airbus, and Boeing — but they will improve and they will do so capitalized by a domestic market that has no say in what they will purchase.
In the meantime, I think Trump perceived what so many MBAs didn’t: that off-shoring our production lost valuable industrial knowledge and we have to revitalize domestic manufacturing to regain that. That’s at least one of the strategic rationales for reinstituting a tariff regime.
I got back into using fountain pens last year. US companies like Parker and Conklin used to make some of the best in the business. Those brands (and others) are now owned by foreign companies with the actual pens and nibs being made overseas. Even if I get a low production fountain pen made in the US (and I have), the nibs are made in Germany, Taiwan, Japan, or the PRC. Meanwhile, vintage US-made nibs still outperform most of the current production nibs available today.
Some in the fountain pen community are bemoaning the fact their beloved Platinum, TWSBI, LAMY, Jinhao, or other imported brand pen now costs them more. I think about whether the tariffs now make it economically viable for someone to build a domestic brand to rival those. Just don’t make it gold-plated or give it a Trump label, please!
Mike M, “Trump’s actions are not those of a clown.”
Mostly no, but sometimes they are…… accepting a ‘gift’ of the Nobel Peace Prize… that is clownish.
“Trump’s results are not those of a clown.”
Just about always true.
“Trump’s words are not those of a clown — most of the time. But sometimes, ugh.”
I’d say at least half the time he says boorish, embarrassing things….. clownish is a good description. But you are right about the Biden Administration: they gave clowns a bad name. Every time I think of Kamala and one of her word salads I am happy Trump won in 2024.
Mike,
I don’t particularly care either. I just wondered at how liberals and progressives square this with themselves.
Mark,
Hypocricy is a universal affliction.
John,
I wouldn’t dream of arguing otherwise, of course there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle. I mentioned it here though because people may be inclined to pay less attention to arguments rooted in hypocrisy. Or they may not.
Shrug.
Mark
I see the problem as why should having been forced, as I saw it at the time, to support people I didn’t much respect , prevent me from making observations about the other side.
It isn’t fair to assume that because I’m skeptical of Trumps capabilities, doesn’t mean I thought Biden was superior. He certaibnly was more passive, which sometimes isn’t a bad thing.
Have you ever seen me write anything positive about the guy – “passive” is at best neutral, or Kamala ,or for G_d’s sake, Hillary?
I wasn’t making arguments about Biden? At least, if I was, I’d lost track. This is not all that unlikely, I’m under heavy cognitive load at the moment.
If you care to, point me back to what you’re referring to. Or not, it’s not all that important to me either way.
I hope I’m not coming across as rude in this, I don’t mean to be, but the clock is ticking and I’m not done with what needs finishing yet! Be back later.
I asked AI to write some code to match similar names, specifically ones that had been entered on different systems by hand but had common data entry errors and it popped out something that worked amazingly well in 2 minutes.
… specifically a variation of the Sørensen–Dice coefficient) combined with the Levenshtein Distance algorithm
I know it’s just regurgitating Github et. al. but not having to grind out code that I know I can do but just takes a lot of effort is a huge deal. This is a big jump in the world of programming.
Oh, I see now. I think you meant to address Mike instead of me.
Those of you debating Trump’s clownish behavior would do well to watch Mark Carney’s speech at Davos.
President Trump‘s second attempt to cross the Atlantic was more successful. Air Force One turned back on the first try because of an electrical problem..
Here’s a screenshot of the second Air Force One approaching the coast of France at 5:25 AM Florida time: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2013920441644023990?s=61
Minor electrical problem? Hmm.
Thomas Fuller,
Maybe you could summarize the speech.
Qatari Air Force One is looking better and better.
The Boeing model with the electrical problem was built in 1987. Boeing is now about 5 years late on delivering the new aircraft.
Another very public Boeing embarrassment.
It’s only about 15 minutes. Summarizing doesn’t do it justice.
OTOH, if you remember Hugh Grant’s speech to Billy Bob Thornton in Love Actually, you might get the flavor of it. Plus, it’s a great excuse to listen to The Pointer Sisters’ “Jump” again. (David Beckham’s left foot… David Beckham’s right foot…)
Carney and others will go along with a great deal, and complain the entire time.
I second Thomas Fuller’s recommendation to watch Carney’s speech.
Trump’s recent press conference would be another good use of two hours, especially for those who cannot recognize his recent reduction in number of marbles.
john ferguson,
Carney is the consummate politician; Trump is exactly the opposite. OTOH, Carney is all-in on censoring views he disagrees with. No thanks.
” cannot recognize his recent reduction in number of marbles”
Let me know when he starts calling out to people who are dead, tries to shake hands with someone not present, and wanders aimlessly during public appearances.
Trump is a jerk who often lacks self control. He is not suffering dementia.
Maybe I’m confused about this too, but I thought that losing self-control was symptomatic of one flavor of mental decline. The press conference was revealing. He labored interminably over a “book” of the accomplishments of the first year of this term. He seemed to get hung up on the very large paper-clamp that was holding it together, removed it, commented on it and then threw the now unbound papers to the floor.
And then there was the suggestion that the Gulf of America could become the Gulf of Trump.
And maybe we could have a discussion without the repeated references to Biden who appears, at least to me, to be gone from the menu; Thank God,
Edit: I second John’s suggestion to drop references to Biden. I suspect that Trump is not listening here, though.
Thomas W Fuller wrote: “Those of you debating Trump’s clownish behavior would do well to watch Mark Carney’s speech at Davos.”
Well, that was something. A lot of clownish blather clothed in seemingly high minded rhetoric. What did he really say? Its a Rorschach test. The usual suspects at Davos all pretty much start from the same assumptions, so they know what it means. But if you don’t share those assumptions, Carney was too vague to pin down.
Did Carney praise the “rules based international order”? Or did he condemn it? I am not sure. He basically said that the pre-Trump order was a lie leading to all sorts of disasters. But he seems to want to rebuild it, while calling it something else.
Did he praise Trump? It can certainly be read that way since Trump is the grocer who refused to put the lying sign in his window. But I am pretty sure that praise for Trump was not Carney’s intent.
What a hot mess. I will take the worse of Trump’s clownish words over such rubbish any day of the week.
Mike M, A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
Wow. I’m really into old music today, aren’t I?
Trump mentioned “our hemisphere” in his speech … I suspect he’d like to absorb Canada & Mexico as well as Greenland into the US.
…maybe if that had been tried during the colonial era. (Say, the 1800s, when most of the US land acquisition occurred, up to the purchase of Alaska in 1867.) Don’t see that as a possibility now, when self-determination is pre-eminent. Separation, not consolidation, is in vogue now.
Thomas,
I love it when one works old song lyrics into conversation! I do it all the time, to my wife’s consternation.
HaroldW,
The usefullness of this wonderful site seems to lie more in the opportunity to discuss and debate things we disagree on.
I don’t think anyone I read here thinks Biden was still whole in his second term and maybe a lot of us, well me for example, thought he was never anyone to be much respected – never quite there.
I’m not saying Trump is playing 4-D chess but somehow it is a major headline that the US isn’t going to invade Greenland, ha ha. Trump just throws the Overton window into the garbage.
I’m on Team Clown but if you look at Trump as mostly Funny Clown rather than Stephen King’s It then he is much easier to take.
If Trump just likes to make his opponents have a conniption fit for his own entertainment then he has some rather easy targets. Have you ever noticed that Russia and China never take this bait?
Trump doesn’t respect the EU for whatever reason. It’s probably as simple as the EU elite have been crapping on people like Trump for their entire existence so he enjoys taking a dump on their front lawn and making them clean it up.
There is little to be gained by this behavior. If at the end of this the EU takes their own defense seriously (in action, not words) then that will be an accomplishment.
Tom,
iirc, Trump *did* get the NATO countries to increase their defense expenditures in his first term. This was before Putin’s Ukraine “special military operation”, although after the 2014 Crimea annexation.
I think fear of Putin is a greater motivation for Europe to take their own defense seriously, rather than responding to Trump.
Trump is a jerk who often lacks self control. He is not suffering dementia.
ditto. John is unpersuaded and that’s fine. John will apparently go on claiming Trump is losing his mind every few days and that’s also fine. FWIW, I won’t waste the energy telling John he’s got this wrong going forward anymore if I can help it. For the record, I don’t think we have seen evidence Trump is losing his marbles yet.
Guys,
I’ll let it go. As I think I once read , sort of: “This truth is self-evident”
But if it isn’t there’s no point in my continuing to beat on it.
Is there?
When I hear people say “world order” I substitute “the US pays for our defense and polices the world for us”. The rest of the paragraph then usually makes more sense.
It’s been 4 years since the Ukraine war has started and I don’t see the EU war machine cranking up at all. There is certainly a lot of rhetoric and promises to invest more. Poland looks like it is taking it seriously. I think Trump is correct that the only thing that will make the EU move (especially the western EU) is a credible threat to pull out of NATO.
I’m a backer of NATO but the EU actually has to provide some value here and I’m not sure what that is.
The thing that really turned me against the EU is the constant stream of US tech sector shakedowns. It’s basically a tax for access to the EU market.
In 2024, the European Union (EU) significantly ramped up its enforcement actions against the U.S. tech sector, particularly following the full implementation of the Digital Markets Act (DMA).
According to data compiled by economic trackers and political reports in early 2025, the EU imposed a total of approximately €3.8 billion (roughly $4.1 billion USD) in fines on U.S. technology companies during the 2024 calendar year.
1. Major Fines of 2024
The total was driven by several landmark rulings involving “Big Tech” giants. Notable fines included:
Apple: €1.84 Billion ($2 Billion)
Reason: The European Commission found Apple guilty of “anti-steering” practices in the music streaming market (Spotify case), preventing developers from informing users about cheaper payment options outside the App Store.
Meta (Facebook/Instagram): ~€1.05 Billion ($1.1 Billion)
Reason: Cumulative fines throughout the year, including a major €798 million penalty in November 2024 for “abusive practices” related to Facebook Marketplace, and a €220 million fine for inadvertently storing user passwords in plaintext.
LinkedIn (Microsoft): €310 Million ($335 Million)
Reason: Fined by the Irish Data Protection Commission (on behalf of the EU) for GDPR violations regarding the legality of its data processing for behavioral advertising.
Uber: €290 Million ($313 Million)
Reason: Fined for transferring the personal data of European taxi drivers to the U.S. in violation of GDPR standards.
John,
You don’t have to drop it. I just don’t have anything new to tell you.
John Ferguson,
It is self evident that all men are created equal and Trump is a jerk; he always has been. We can safely say he has not mellowed with age.
It is true that loss of self control is consistent with mid-stage dementia. (Seen it multiple times.) But Trump has never had self control, so I doubt his lack of self control means a lot. He will continue to be an asshole through his term in office, and after he leaves as well….. you can count on it.
The never-ending saga in the Ukrainian town of Pokrovsk…..
After a year and a half of fighting and 150,000 killed and wounded Russian soldiers, they are 75% done capturing the city and all they have to show for it is a pile of rubble and the prospects of another year in the meat grinder.
OSINT analystPfarer:
“ISW and Indications & Warnings both assess that eventual Russian seizure of Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad remains feasible. Both also predict that a prolonged campaign will be necessary, and that any Russian ‘victory’ will come only at continued and enormous cost.”
And….
“I note again that with its buildings, rail and civil infrastructure reduced to rubble, the tactical and strategic relevance of Pokrovsk have become increasingly moot.” https://x.com/chuckpfarrer/status/2014016662224388443?s=61
The camp who believes the solution in Ukraine is to continue bleeding the Russian army dry must be happy with this situation.
Tom Scharf,
Obviously, that was an AI summary of EU fines of US tech firms. I was amused by
Meta (Facebook/Instagram): ~€1.05 Billion ($1.1 Billion)
Reason: Cumulative fines throughout the year, including a major €798 million penalty in November 2024 for “abusive practices” related to Facebook Marketplace, and a €220 million fine for inadvertently storing user passwords in plaintext.
when most of us can add 798 million and 220 million and come up with a number greater than 1.08 billion.
So I googled…the €798 million figure was correct. But the fine for storing user passwords in plaintext was €91 million. There was also a €200 million fine for Meta’s “pay or consent” advertising model, which requires that European Union users pay to access ad-free versions of Facebook and Instagram.
Another example of the (in)accuracy of AI.
“I’m a backer of NATO but the EU actually has to provide some value here and I’m not sure what that is.”
With the EU declaring war on 1) free speech, and 2) the existence of any political party that is not on the left,
I rather suspect there will be a continuing rupture of the USA-EU relationship, at least as long as a Democrat is not president in the USA. Really, we have a substantial divergence of interests and basic policies.
HaroldW,
Yes, when I blockquote without attribution it means it is from AI. Take it for what it is worth. Mostly right, most of the time. I have seen AI make a complete mess of taking data out of HTML tables.
I thought about posting something Trump put up which said EU revenue from US fines exceeded the tax revenue they get from their own tech companies but figured that was probably even looser with the facts.
The Ukrainian defense forces are touting a new experimental “KILL ZONE” tactic in drone warfare, whether this is just hype from the Ukrainian military or an actual breakthrough in drone tactics is yet to be proven. They have one demonstration sitewhere they claim it has been working for several months.
Several respectable sites are reporting it:
Grok:
“The “kill zone” tactic in the Ukrainian military context refers to a drone-dominated defensive strategy that creates expansive no-go areas for enemy forces, primarily through unmanned aerial and ground systems. This approach has evolved from traditional ambush-style kill zones—defined in military doctrine as concentrated fire zones against advancing enemies—to a more dynamic, technology-driven barrier that leverages reconnaissance, FPV (first-person view) drones, and ground robotic platforms to detect and neutralize threats at extended ranges. It’s particularly prominent in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, where it aims to counter infantry assaults and mechanized advances without relying heavily on manned positions.”
More from Grok: https://x.com/i/grok/share/ac6692e3fd6e492e83389f0b3da03f86
ISW:
“Ukrainian forces reportedly created a tactical kill zone that denies Russian forces from using vehicles within 20 to 25 kilometers of the front line or using infantry within one kilometer of the front line near Kupyansk — a capability that Ukraine should deepen and expand across the entire theater.”
More from ISW: https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2014005071634464951?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
All things equal the EU has much more to lose in a NATO breakup which is indicative that the relationship is unbalanced. The chances of the EU coming to the rescue when the US is invaded (by Greenland?) is pretty small.
That doesn’t mean NATO has no value, it is a major deterrent to Russian aggression. However that Russian aggression mostly threatens the EU and asking the EU to fund their own militaries like a war might happen isn’t asking for the moon. It is to the EU’s benefit to do this anyway.
The EU should be able to handle Russia by itself. If they had the will they could push Russia out of Ukraine. They simply aren’t serious about their own defense.
The EU has participated in a few policing actions such as Afghanistan and Iraq but the US has always done the heavy lifting.
Steve — It’s been my perception — based on nothing other than watching what was going on — that the EU desires a US president who subordinates US interests to European (and most specifically French and German) interests ala Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
NATO on the other hand wants a US that can and will lead the way against Russian aggression. Europe needs to resolve their split-personality problem. Trump told them their dependence on Russian energy would be a problem and it was. France’s desire to keep the future of Gaza in the hands of a UN that is dominated by anti-Israel (and indeed anti-Western) forces is going to continue to be a problem.
Tom,
I don’t think NATO without the United States has a serious nuclear deterrent against Russia.
Tom: “I thought about posting something Trump put up which said EU revenue from US fines exceeded the tax revenue they get from their own tech companies but figured that was probably even looser with the facts.”
Like all Trumpian claims, one must approach this with skepticism, but it’s true that EU tech is much smaller than US or Asian tech. According to https://companiesmarketcap.com/eur/tech/largest-tech-companies-by-revenue/ , the largest EU tech companies (by revenue) include
#33 SAP, revenue about €35 billion
#35 Schneider Electric, €34 billion
#37 ASML, €30 billion,
#48 Ericsson, €20 billion
#53 Nokia, €19 billion
#62 Spotify, €16 billion
…and the list continues.
Without actually doing the work to find out how much tax those companies paid, I’d guess that it’s an exaggeration that the fines exceed that total.
HaroldW,
I do not think the fines are intended to raise revenue so much as to intimidate the US based companies into censoring their users according to EU censorship rules.
IMHO, the USA based companies need to tell the EU to pound sand….. but they need the backing of retaliatory threats from the US administration. Censoring people outside the EU is a losing proposition for the EU…. the Trump administration just needs to make them recognize that reality.
Tom Scharf,
“That doesn’t mean NATO has no value….”
I am not convinced. Alliances need to be based on shared interests, values, and goals. While true in 1960, today I am not seeing it. The USA and Europe seem to diverge on every significant political question…. immigration, free speech, political liberty, the “International Criminal Court”, bureaucratic control (of everything), etc.
Yes, Europe needs to be able to defend itself. But US help in that effort should be conditional on European political behavior. Stop censoring. Stop banning parties that don’t hew to leftist views. Stop trying to impose your views on other countries.
After that, we can talk.
President Trump posted just now about the Greenland deal with NATO on TruthSocial:
“ Based upon a very productive meeting that I have had with the Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, we have formed the framework of a future deal with respect to Greenland and, in fact, the entire Arctic Region. This solution, if consummated, will be a great one for the United States of America, and all NATO Nations. Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the Tariffs that were scheduled to go into effect on February 1st. Additional discussions are being held concerning The Golden Dome as it pertains to Greenland. Further information will be made available as discussions progress. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, and various others, as needed, will be responsible for the negotiations — They will report directly to me. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Was any of the drive for mutual interests beyond defense a part ot the initial NATO charter?
Turkey? Hungary?
so ‘Trump the mad man’ was just another ploy to bring NATO to the negotiating table.
It appears to have worked.
Brillianrt Pebbles revisited?
John Ferguson,
Hungary is a recent addition, and are in constant conflict with the “progressive” EU countries WRT immigration… and other issues..
Turkey has changed enormously since NATO started….. and I do not see we any longer have many mutual interests with Turkey.
It is interesting. Turkey is a 53/47 society divided between western oriented individuals and very devout Islamists. The Islamists have just enough votes to consistently prevail in elections. Before Erdogan became president, I spoke with many Turks (all modern secularists!), who were 100% convinced Turkey would never elect someone like Erdogan. They were mistaken, of course. Reminded me a little of progressives in the USA who could not imagine Trump could be elected.
You need only stray 3 or 4 blocks from the main streets in Istanbul to see Turkish reality: women shrouded in black head to toe. The (slim) majority of people in Turkey are devout Muslims, and will vote that way.
Ataturk ultimately failed to convert Turkey into a modern (Western aligned) state. He kicked out the Mullahs, but they are back. I think Turkey has no business being in NATO… utterly divergent values.
John,
I must confess to being uninformed on the Golden Dome technology. I looked into it about six months ago and could find no technical details. Maybe it’s time to look again.
maybe it is just a rehash of Brilliant Pebbles.
Russell,
I suspect “Golden Dome” is Trump’s version of Israel’s “Iron Dome”
Maybe I was being too subtle. The EU != NATO. The EU is an economic pact. NATO is a military one. They have different personalities in charge and different agendas.
No need to suspect anything. Trump most definitely copied Iron Dome after their success against Palestinian rocket attacks and labeled his version “Golden Dome”. Brilliant Pebbles was just one element in the proposed Strategic Defense Initiative architecture.
Trump: You Can Tell How Stupid A Country Is By How Many Windmills They Have
I would guess that the Golden Dome would have at least two layers. A forward layer to provide continental defense by taking out ICBM’s before reentry, ideally before MIRV’s can be released. Then a second layer, resembling Iron Dome to provide local protection of high value targets from whatever might get past the first layer.
Perhaps this kind of thing could work against Iran or North Korea but I think the offense has the advantage for first order militaries that are committed. It doesn’t solve sub launched supersonic cruise missiles and the latest hypersonic maneuverable ballistic payloads.
I can seeing intercepting ballistic missiles on the lift phase from space based platforms in bulk but the problem gets really hard and expensive after that at scale. Space based weapons are still “against international law”. The cost to successfully defend an all out first nuclear strike with MIRV’s would be gigantic I suspect.
Avangard: Russia continues to expand the deployment of this strategic HGV (Hypersonic Glide Vehicle). Launched by an ICBM (SS-19 or RS-28 Sarmat), the Avangard payload allegedly can maneuver laterally by hundreds of kilometers during its approach, making trajectory prediction impossible for current US defenses.
Recent Update: A new regiment equipped with Avangard was reported operational in late 2024/early 2025 in the Orenburg region.
As far as I am concerned they can probably just send the warheads over in shipping containers. I just don’t think this can be stopped. Do the research but spending the money on deployment is likely not worth it and is likely why we haven’t seen it yet. MAD is more cost efficient for everyone.
Russell writes, so ‘Trump the mad man’ was just another ploy to bring NATO to the negotiating table.
It appears to have worked.
Trump backing down when confronted is a recurring theme of his public life.
Maybe the doddering and demented dumkopf just felt humiliated after Carney spoke in complete sentences for 15 minutes, something Trump cannot do.
Or maybe someone whispered in his ear that the US already has two bases in Greenland and that both Greenland and Denmark have for years invited the US to put more bases there, going so far as to volunteer to shoulder some of the costs.
Or maybe Trump decided that he needed a new distraction to help us all forget that less than 1% of the Epstein files have been released.
But go ahead and pretend that Trump won a great victory… it’s kind of amusing.
Or… maybe… he really did mean Iceland!
Go to famously neutral Switzerland
Give speech in German-speaking part of Switzerland
Tell them they’d all be speaking German if it wasn’t for the US
OK, hear me out. I got a theory.
Assuming the ‘golden dome’ it’s still just a pipe dream and a number of years off and maybe it will never be deployed, I have a different scheme.
What if Greenland is intended for offensive nuclear weapons, not defensive.
I assumed the mainland US launch site would be Minot North Dakota and used Grok to do the maths…
Launching an intercontinental ballistic missile towards Russia would, on average, be about 40% less distance or 2000 miles closer than launching in North Dakota.
If we’re talking about MAD being our nuclear defense, launching ICBMs from Greenland gives the United States a big advantage.
Russell, if that’s the plan, the USA has had permission to do that since 1951.
Thomas,
I bet we didn’t have approval to build ICBM missile silos in Greenland. That’s why we want sovereignty over the land where we’re positioning the nuclear weapons. Greenland has vast expenses of wasteland would be perfect to use for US ICBM bases.. maybe have portable by ICBM launch systems on skis
More of my theory….
Maybe we want nuclear submarine bases in the Arctic or maybe conventional navy bases in in the Arctic. Greenland would be a lot closer to Russia and be able to monitor the sea lanes better then on the mainland, United States. Maybe we want bases for conventional military launch sites. We would need it if we wanted to pull off a Venezuela style raid on Russia. Maybe we want to base some of our stealth nuclear bomber fleet in Greenland.
More to our pedophile president’s interest, Greenland is much closer to Paris and Berlin than Minot.
Robert Reich was murdered, wasn’t he? How am I finding his pieces about Trump in Davos?
They ain’t kidding when they call it ghostwriting I guess.
Thomas Fuller,
Please show a single instance where one of Epstein’s underage victims accused Trump of misconduct. You can’t, of course. Like religion, your beliefs about Trump are rarely grounded in facts. Yes, Trump is a jerk. No, there is no evidence he is a pedophile…… and never seemed to have a weird fascination with sniffing the hair of teenage girls.
Washington, DC to Nuuk Greenland is 2,035 miles. Copenhagen to Nuuk is 2,204 miles. I am not sure what your point is about distances from Greenland.
Tom Scharf wrote: “MAD is more cost efficient for everyone.”
Nonsense, unless you ignore the really big (non-monetary) costs of MAD.
MAD can not deal with nuclear blackmail by a rogue actor, whether state or non-state. It also can not deal with a mistaken or accidental launch. A defense system could deal with such cases. I regard that as a very good argument for the Golden Dome.
Also, even a leaky Golden Dome would provide an extra layer of security beyond MAD. It is unlikely that China or Russia would launch an attack on us. The Golden Dome would make that even less likely since they could not be sure such an attack would succeed but could be sure that the response would be devastating.
Sorry, I was thinking of Rob Reiner!
Mike M,
A container with a multi-megaton warhead is a much more plausible delivery system for “rogue” states, and especially so if there were a credible ABM system in place. A terrain hugging cruise missile is another option to avoid dealing with an ABM system. It is hard for me to see how a big ABM system would be worth the money. A limited system, designed to deal with one or a few missiles, may be justified, but maybe not.
mark bofill,
“Sorry, I was thinking of Rob Reiner!”
More coffee in the morning!
On the ship delivered nukes: I’ve wondered for years why no-one has done it so far. Despite the relative simplicity of a fission bomb, precision machining is required, not to mention the raw materials. They aren’t like kalashnikovs which can be made in shops not much more sophisticated than blacksmiths.
I suppose it’s the probablity that the authors would be identified and their interests devastated. And, again so far, no-one has surfaced that thinks its worth it.
Tom,
Distance to European capitals isn’t what makes Greenland strategic. Its value is in Arctic positioning, North Atlantic transit routes, early-warning systems, and proximity to Russia. You can see some of that from the map. And on that, Trump is basically right.
Where he’s bonkers is his public ranting and threatening rhetoric — that’s not how you handle allied territory in a NATO context.
Weapons of mass destruction are illegal under the Outer Space Treaty. Other weapons (particularly defensive ones) are legal — ill-advised but legal.
ABM systems are expensive. The destruction and death caused by the missiles they intercept is even more expensive. MAD was an idiotic theory when McNamara was pushing it and it’s even more idiotic today. It only works if everyone involved agrees with the underlying theory so that it actually inhibits them from launching attacks but the Soviet Union never subscribed to MAD. I doubt Putin does either.
Golden Dome certainly faces a lot of technical challenges just as SDI did before it. Critics of SDI used to say you can’t hit a bullet with a bullet — until we started doing so. Technical and engineering challenges can be overcome and have been time after time for eons. Tell someone to develop and build a water delivery system that will last for millenia with little to no maintenance and they’ll probably tell you it can’t be done. Then point to the Roman aquaduct systems that are still working today.
The R&D done for Golden Dome will also reap benefits for the civilian communities in aviation, spaceflight, electronics, etc. just as Apollo and other programs have done for decades.
rump being an obnoxious boor who speaks at a 6th grade level doesn’t preclude him from having good ideas or actually being correct about some things.
A problem with designing legal methods to protect against the illegal is that they have to be tested. Sometimes the illegal weapon has to be constructed to use in the testing.
And it’s been done.
SteveF wrote: “A container with a multi-megaton warhead is a much more plausible delivery system for “rogue” states”.
I said “blackmail” not terrorism. I don’t see how you can use a smuggled nuke for blackmail.
Even for terrorism, a nuke in a shipping container leaves you with the problem of how to trigger the thing. A timer would create a big uncertainty as to where it goes off.
It seems to me that building a nuke is far beyond the capability of the sort of people who might want to use one to create a city killing ship bomb. With the possible exception of the Iranians.
Thank you, Lucia
SteveF, you’re wrong about Russia–you’re wrong about our pedo prez, too.
“The plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges that she was subjected to extreme sexual and physical abuse by the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, including forcible rape during a four month time span covering the months of June-September, 1994 when Plaintiff Johnson was still only a minor of age 13.”
As I mentioned the first time I linked to it, they never went to trial. Cash settlement, NDA…
Russia has about 5,500 nuclear warheads. Europe has 500 nuclear warheads divided between France and England. The US has about 5,200 nuclear warheads.
It’s clear that Europe is dependent on the United States for its nuclear security. We have them over a barrel. If they want us to be their nuclear deterrent and we say we need Greenland to do that, well by golly they better give us Greenland.
Particularly now that we don’t want the settled portions we just want the vast wasteland.
ICBM silos are pretty easy fixed position targets.
It used to be you could harden them because Russia wasn’t accurate enough for direct hits on a silo. That isn’t the case now and good luck surviving a 1 megaton direct hit.
Closer to Russia works both ways. They can take them out quicker. No President wants to launch Armageddon against Russia with a 10 minute warning given the number of false alarms both sides have had. You want to be able to absorb the first hit (you can’t stop it anyway), verify, and then wipe out the other side. A longer delay is actually a feature IMO.
The Russians still don’t have an answer for sub launched missiles and the US air force and the EU present it with MAD. We don’t need to invent something new here, although the thought exercise for improvement is always ongoing.
Tom,
“A longer delay is actually a feature IMO.”
that’s like saying it’s snowing more because of global warming
Mike M.
A single suicidal rouge actor can smuggle in a nuclear warhead, they don’t need an ICBM.
We already have some anti-missile technology that has been worked on for decades and might do the job now for very small numbers. See the recent movie “House of Dynamite”.
This is a very, very difficult problem at scale that you can’t just shake a magic tech stick at. Even if you do roll out a mega-expensive space based system the other side can likely obsolete it for 10X less money.
Things are changing, payload to space is getting cheaper and drone tech is exploding.
FYI: The US hasn’t built an ICBM silo for 60 years. There are reasons, they didn’t need new ones due to arms limitation agreements and they are too vulnerable. The Ruskies were driving huge mobile missile launchers all around Siberia to try to solve this problem.
Summary
If a rogue nation launches 1 or 2 standard ICBMs at the US today, there is a high probability the GMD or SM-3 systems would stop them. If a major power launches a complex attack with decoys or hypersonic gliders, the current defense systems would likely be overwhelmed.
Future Tech: Next Generation Interceptor (NGI)
To fix the reliability issues of the aging GMD system, the U.S. selected Lockheed Martin to build the NGI.
Status: As of early 2026, the NGI production facility in Alabama is nearing completion, and flight tests are underway.
Goal: The NGI is designed to carry multiple kill vehicles on a single booster. This allows one defensive missile to try to kill the target multiple times (or kill multiple decoys), significantly increasing the odds of success.
When the Soviet Union were in their final financial death throws, Ronald Reagan pushed them over the edge when he said he was gonna build Star Wars and they knew they had no money to counter it.
Russia is in a similar position now they are completely depleted financially and are in no state to take on an aggressive nuclear building campaign by the United States, whether the US builds offensive capability or defensive capability.
The flight time for a Russian Zircon Mach 9 hypersonic missile launched from a submarine sitting off the US east coast to Washington DC is 3 to 5 minutes. Already tested in Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M22_Zircon
I cannot stress enough how much further the offense is ahead of the defense here.
Thomas Fuller,
Lemme see.
1) A pro se civil filing, asking for $100 million
2) 13+ years after the alleged crimes
3) Which were never reported to anyone
4) Filed while Trump was running for president
5) Filed In Trump-friendly California, and based on
6) Alleged crimes with no statute of limitations
Odd that no trial lawyer was interested.
But never prosecuted by California, nor by New York. There is a large bridge in NYC I would like to sell to you.
Tom Scharf wrote: ” No President wants to launch Armageddon against Russia with a 10 minute warning given the number of false alarms both sides have had.”
Which is why we need the Golden Dome.
Grok thinks Zircon is still at work in progress:
“The Zircon hypersonic missile’s accuracy is officially claimed by Russia to be very high (often cited as 1–5 meters CEP in ideal conditions), but real-world evidence from its limited use in Ukraine shows inconsistencies, with some missiles missing targets, deviating significantly, or having minimal impact due to guidance challenges like plasma interference at high speeds.
Independent experts generally view it as capable of good precision against large or fixed targets when it slows for terminal guidance, but it’s far less reliable than hyped—especially against moving targets—and remains more of an experimental, high-cost weapon than a consistently pinpoint-accurate one.”
And Russia is in no position right now for expensive technology development research.
SteveF, I don’t know if this was true or not. The way it disappeared seems suspicious. More suspicious is Trump’s behavior–“If she wasn’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.” When Ivanka was a teenager.
But at the end of the day, when more than 1% of the Epstein files have seen the light of the day, we’ll know more. Maybe. But I already know enough about Trump’s character. So do most people–probably including you. You support him despite his character because he does things you approve of.
It’s what that says about you that surprises me.
Just to be clear, I have been reading the Blackboard for more than a decade, like many here. I thought most of the participants were intelligent, had better manners than me, and had some sense of ethics.
Oh, well. Hey! Trump is getting rid of the undocumented immigrants! So all is well.
lucia wrote: “Where he’s bonkers is his public ranting and threatening rhetoric — that’s not how you handle allied territory in a NATO context.”
I disagree. There is no point in politely asking people to change an entrenched status quo, especially when those being asked have a self-interest in the status quo. If you want results, you need to risk being rude and giving offense.
I thought Trump went too far with the text message to Norway’s PM and the latest tariff threat. But then, all of a sudden, a result! Now it looks to me like he finally went far enough to get the result.
I will always take action over words and substance over style. With Trump, we get action and substance. It is jarring since we have gotten so used to little but words and style from politicians. Except, that is, when they use words and style to disguise perverse actions.
Thomas Fuller,
I support Trump BECAUSE of his character.
Thomas
As I mentioned the first time I linked to it, they never went to trial. Cash settlement, NDA…
Its true the case never went to trial. The plaintiff filed in various venues, but cases were dismissed by the court or withdrawn.
So you have any public legal filing, court record or credible news source reporting there was a settlement? Do any of the lawsuits file indicate a settlement? Because… chatGPT says it finds no evidence there was any sort of settlement.
ey Point for “Katie Johnson” Case
* In her case, the lawsuit was filed but then dropped/withdrawn by the plaintiff, and there’s no mention in the docket of a settlement.
* That makes it extremely unlikely there was a cash settlement; if there had been, there would at least be a formal record of dismissal “pursuant to settlement”.
* Private settlements outside of court are possible, but the court record for her federal case does not indicate one.
It’s always annoying when someone puts me in a position to defend Trump. He’s an annoying AH. But… still… facts matter.
The tone about Greenland has changed. Today Zelensky says he wants to help….
“If Russian military ships are freely sailing around Greenland, Ukraine can help. We have the experience and the weapons to make sure none of these ships remain. They can sink near Greenland just as they did near Crimea.”
-President Zelensky
Tom,
Is it your position that Greenland would not be a military asset to the United States, or am I misinterpreting your comments?
We can quibble about the state of the technology. I don’t doubt we have a long way to go to make Golden Dome a reality.
In my mind here’s no denying the offensive advantages of mounting assaults from Greenland, whether they be conventional or nuclear.
I agree that Greenland may have value as the northern shipping routes open up, potential mineral wealth, etc. I just don’t see much from a defense department (errr … war department) standpoint that we don’t already have.
I was literally working on SDI programs in the 1980’s at a defense contractor. There was a lot of Star Wars money around. The same problems were being worked on, MIRV’s decoys, etc. A lot of real work happened that resulted in our missile defense today.
But the Russians learned too, 40 years ago, and they are developing weaponry that can side step ABM defenses. The Russian know how to build rockets, they are very good at it, but don’t have the budgets They should be respected and feared.
Lucia writes, “It’s always annoying when someone puts me in a position to defend Trump. He’s an annoying AH. But… still… facts matter.”
You’re kind of making my point for me. He’s not an annoying AH. He’s a criminal who has been successfully sued for sexual assault and accused of numerous similar offenses. As I wrote above, I don’t know if he committed rape of a 13-year-old. But his behavior for decades and what it has revealed of his character makes it chillingly plausible. Grab ’em by the pussy!
Calling him an annoying AH trivializes what he really is and allows people to put him in a normalized behavioral box. ‘That’s just Trump.’ ‘Boys will be boys.’ No. He is a dangerous predator that is destroying the country I love–even if I now love it from a distance. How he treats women–26 of whom have accused him of various degrees of sexual assault (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-loses-lawsuit-sexual-abuse-b2336239.html)–is how he is treating the United States of America. As objects to be exploited for his personal benefit.
‘Annoying AH’ lets him off the hook. And lets people without a soul say they support him because of his character.
Thomas,
I visited the link you left to support a final claim.
Despite their centrality to the “Trump is a pedophile” narrative and to allegations mainstream media has been “ignoring” them, investigations by reporters at Jezebel and The Guardian found numerous red flags in the 2016 court filings and story. Among those red flags was evidence that tied the case to an aggressive media campaign initiated by an individual calling himself Al Taylor.
Taylor’s story, as told to Jezebel, was “that he’d heard Katie’s story for the first time [in 2014], after meeting her at a party” and that “as a former psychology major in college and reality TV producer … people were always telling him things unsolicited, even now that he’s retired from television.” To Jezebel, he claimed (without evidence) to have worked as a producer for “Inside Edition
In the months before the 2016 U.S. presidential election, however, The Guardian connected the Taylor persona to a former producer for “The Jerry Springer Show” named Norm Lubow. In 2016, Lubow strongly denied to Jezebel and The Guardian that he was Taylor.
However, when Snopes spoke to Lubow in July 2024, he confirmed that he was, in fact, Taylor and said he did aid the accuser in her first lawsuit and in promoting the claims within it to journalists. Thomas Meagher, an attorney who represented someone identifying herself as Johnson in 2016, declined to comment for this story. In this story, Snopes shows how Lubow’s involvement remains a key red flag undermining the Johnson claims.
Earlier in the article they describe Lubow’s reputation
Lubow’s involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide.
Note: There is also no proof Johnson is a real person. That’s why the “does not disprove that Johnson is a real person,” is even an issue.
Later in the article
The gossip site Radar Online published a short story on April 28, 2016, noting the filing, but even it was skeptical, highlighting the fact that the person filing the claim had given apparently bogus contact information, using the address of a foreclosed house whose owner had recently died.
Indeed, that California case was dropped for failing to state a proper claim under the law it cited. Filings indicate that the court was unable to contact the person who filed the complaint at the address she provided or locate a forwarding address for her. A few months later, however, an anonymous Jane Doe filed a nearly identical case in a New York U.S. District Court.
The court being unable to contact the plaintiff is a bad sign for the plaintiff.
For the New York case, Doe was represented by a New Jersey patent attorney, Thomas Meagher, who later confirmed to news outlets that his client was the same person who filed the Johnson claims. By then, a widely shared video of a woman identified as Johnson, shown with a pixelated face and disguised voice, accompanied press coverage of her case.
Numerous journalists, advocates and political operatives had attempted to get, or had been promised, in-person access to Johnson. These promises never panned out. Steve Baer, a conservative mega-donor whose extensive email contacts helped to push the claims, for example, told Jezebel that he never met the accuser in person, despite many attempts.
So no one can seem to meet the plaintiff….
And the tales of the plaintiff agreeing to ingerviews and never showing go on and on.
This is about the man who pushed the story (initially under a pseudonym.)
Lubow’s involvement in the case is relevant, in Snopes’ view, because Lubow has pushed false stories about celebrities to the press in the past, and because one of Lubow’s main professional jobs was, other outlets have reported, to make up salacious stories for television segments, to enlist people to pretend that they were players in those stories and to keep them from telling anyone it was all a lie.
Continuuing…
Julie K. Brown, the journalist who uncovered the federal government’s plea deal with Epstein in 2008, pushed back on the notion that journalists had ignored the Johnson claims, writing on X that, “The woman just wouldn’t talk, and her lawyer would not confirm she was even legit. … The address she gave on her first lawsuit was false. She was linked to political operatives at one point.”
And wrapping up
The Bottom Line
Recent claims that new documents prove the validity of the Johnson claims are false, because these documents are from 2016 and have nothing to do with what have become known as the “Epstein docs.”
Viral claims that Trump has a history of sexually assaulting children first emerged with the Johnson lawsuits in 2016. Pictures of court documents related to the case have lent perceived credibility to additional unsourced claims of child abuse that followed, and memes frequently combine the two claims.
Such claims are not new, come with several red flags and originated with an aggressive push by a serial fabulist.
Thomas, when you drop a link to a page that is mostly just links to underlying articles, you really ought to read the underlying articles. ‘Cuz.
Derek H,
Correct. Defensive weapons are allowed in space providing they aren’t nuclear. My mistake. There was a limitation but it expired in 2002.
There are a lot of “national security” launches lifting pretty heavy stuff to orbit. I do wonder if we currently already have some capability here. My guess is they are concentrating on anti-satellite weapons instead of ABM.
Tom, Your arguments are about the past and where the technology might be today. We have to be thinking about the future where is the technology going to be in 10 years or 20 years? Russia has been a threat for 300 years and probably will still be a threat in 300 more years.
Greenland gives us a lot more options for countering that threat.
The MSM would track down with vigor any anti-Trump claims like this. They have all taken a pass. The Epstein files were available to the previous Democratic administration so it is very unlikely to have any there there.
This is tracking similarly to Trump Russia Collusion. Breathless hyperventilating among partisans about new information that never pans out. Am I to believe with all the anti-Trump fervor that nobody would have leaked this stuff? Nope.
Lucia, I said I did not know if the story was true or not. Looks like it wasn’t. But it doesn’t change Trump’s character nor anything I said about him. And it doesn’t change anything about how I think of people who trivialize his behavior.
Did you read the story in the Independent I linked to? Did you see the tape where he bragged he would ‘grab ’em by the pussy?’
Tom Scharf, they have released 1% of the Epstein files. If there wasn’t anything incriminating in there, don’t you think they would have released more?
Russell,
Yes, the future is not ICBM’s sitting in fixed position silos except to the extent they can be upgraded on the cheap. The future is highly maneuverable supersonic missiles launched from submarines. About 70% of the (limited by treaty) deployed US nuclear warhead inventory are riding on submarines.
I’m sure we still have people working on this stuff. I’m not arguing we shouldn’t work on it, I’m arguing a 1950’s style missile dome is not the right strategy for something that won’t be ready for 20 years. That defense type is nearly already obsolete.
Thomas Fuller,
I think if there was a Trump smoking gun in there it would have been leaked already. There might be some embarrassing decades old stuff there somewhere, but I doubt it will move the needle on people’s assessment of Trump’s character. Sexual impropriety in politicians doesn’t matter to most people, proven by both sides.
In theory unproven investigative details and grand jury testimony is supposed to be kept secret because of this very problem. People exploiting unproven things investigated by “authorities” that were never charged … because most of the time it wasn’t true.
There is nothing allegedly in these files a living witness couldn’t already just come out and say. For these reasons I’m not expecting much.
Tom, whatever the future may bring, Greenland gives us more flexibility in dealing with it. If everything is going to be submarines, Greenland could be the site for submarine bases, for example.
(or bases for hunting Russian submarines)
When even The Guardian refuses to back you, it means you’re really full of shit.
Thomas,
But it doesn’t change Trump’s character nor anything I said about him. A
You called him a pedophile. SteveF said he wasn’t. Then you doubled down– with this as your evidence. You also claimed he payed this person off.
I think the fact that the story you used as evidence appears to be false changes something about your claim in that exchange.
There is plenty of unflattering stuff you can say about Trump. But these particular claims appear false.
It’s really sort of silly to sweep in false claims to try to buttress your case. If you think the other stuff is damning enough, just stick to that.
Okay, what do you think of the ‘damning other stuff?’
Trump won the election. He won the popular vote. He won the Congress. He won the Senate. He will be around for three more years…… he probably will not run again. This conversation about Trump‘s morals 20 years ago is worse than useless.
In another year, we will be choosing a new congress and a new Senate; that is worth discussing
Insiders leaked Trump’s tax returns. Comey leaked his discussions which were supposed to be privileged DOJ material. Even forgetting 2016 when Hillary was Obama’s chosen successor and the White House was essentially organizing an anti-Trump campaign using all the governmental resources they could muster, the Biden DOJ — which was not shy at all about tapping the phones of sitting US Senators to try to dig up dirt — couldn’t find anything to leak about Trump-Epstein other than very old pictures at parties.
I hate having to defend this obnoxious boor but TDS is so willfully blind I find I have to. You would think they’d have learned something from the colossal failure of the Trump-Russia Collusion hoax to produce anything resembling facts.
Did you ever think perhaps DOJ rules are prohibiting release of material because of the effect it might have on people who were only casually acquainted with Epstein? Or people who Epstein intended to victimize but wasn’t able to because they didn’t take his bait?
Think of the analog: Don Corleone wants to set up a legal protection network so he researches 100 judges and prosecutors and policemen to figure out who he can pull into his circle. He ends up contacting 50 and of them 48 or 49 reject his overtures or refuse to respond at all.
You find all this material while prosecuting Michael and prosecute the 1 or 2 who accepted the Don’s offers. Do you release all the files with everyone else named?
Lucia,
I am glad you had it in you to produce all that for Thomas…. I sure didn’t.
Trump is a jerk and as unpleasant a person as you are likely to encounter….. But there is no credible evidence of him raping a 13 YO. It says a great deal that Thomas would straight-out accuse Trump of that based very dubious and long refuted claims.
Thomas,
You are wasting people’s time with unsupported claims about Trump., and that says much about you that is not flattering.
“You support him despite his character because he does things you approve of.”
I support many (not all) of Trump’s policies; I most certainly do not support him personally; his behavior resembles that of a badly behaved, spoiled 6 year old.
I would much prefer he had a major stroke and JD Vance became president. Voting for Trump was a hold-your-nose lesser-of- evils choice. Pure ass-hole Trump or word-salad Kamala…. along with racial preferences in all things (DEI), mandated electric cars, and another 10 million illegal immigrants pouring across the southern border? Easy choice.
Spring has sprung. I saw two butterflies flittering around the garden today.
Looks like we survived another hard cold winter.
Thomas
Okay, what do you think of the ‘damning other stuff?’
I already said he’s an AH. I don’t think my opinion of him is a secret.
I don’t like it when you make obviously false claims though. And then I’m forced to defend him. So please stop making false claims. Stick to the true stuff.
Tom Scharf,
“Sexual impropriety in politicians doesn’t matter to most people, proven by both sides.”
I guess!
There has never been anybody more blatantly inappropriate than Clinton, and the voters mostly shrugged. That Republicans in Congress figured they could damage Clinton with an impeachment over his inability to keep his pants on in the oval office says how politically naive they were. Powerful, rich people (especially men) often use that power and wealth to gain sexual favors. In other news, the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
SteveF
I’m with you on Vance gaining the presidency sooner rather than later even though that might make it tougher for a Democrat I might prefer to gain office in 2028. And there could be a Democrat i wouldn’t prefer.
Well, you’re certainly correct that I should have looked harder at that case and I apologize for that. But I stand by the rest of what I said (not much of a surprise there).
John Ferguson,
“I’m with you on Vance gaining the presidency sooner rather than later…”
Not likely to happen.
But if it did, there would be an added benefit: Fuller wouldn’t be claiming Vance rapes 13 YOs. 😉
I do wish people would focus more on policy and less on personal foibles.
SteveF,
You are mistaken. Should Vance become the Republican nominee in 2028, we will be treated to all sorts of outrageous and spurious attacks on his character.
Mike M,
Yes, but not about raping 13 YOs.
Bull in the China shop Trump calls out a painful reality: The UN is an organization of very limited usefulness, bloated with corruption, rent-seeking small countries, insufferable arrogant diplomats, and painted entirely with leftist garbage.
I have long thought the UN should either be reformed or dissolved, with dissolved clearly the more fruitful approach. There is zero reason to have delegates from paradises of freedom like Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Iran serving on committees evaluating personal liberties. I suggest Trump ask the UN to move to a garden spot like Havana, Johannesburg, or Riyad, and then withdraw from the organization.
Thomas
But I stand by the rest of what I said (not much of a surprise there).
Ok. But I don’t know what that was other than that he’s an AH– which many of us agree with.
Trump recently withdrew from 60+ international agencies, including 30 UN agencies, and people barely noticed.
Bringing back places to help look after people with mental illness
Winner.
Stop Banks charging exorbitant credit card fees north of 20%
Winner
Insist on legal immigration
Winner.
Tom Fuller
Winner?
“Well, you’re certainly correct that I should have looked harder at that case and I apologize for that”
Steve F commented
“You are wasting people’s time with unsupported claims and that says much about you that is not flattering”.
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Bottom line is you got another slur in that was intended and untrue but obviously in your eyes for the greater good.
Reminiscent of a pale version of Joshua.
Either lacking in insight and introspection.
No moral guidance or compass and no intention to find one.
I do mind but only a little. Not my problem.
There really is no real TF as a person to argue with and no real argument on the occasions when you deliberately present fiction as fact to slur people.
TF
Arctic Sea ice JAXA Extent is (barely) lowest in satellite record, 0.5k below 2018 in #2 and 184k below 2025 in #3.
Not long to go now to maximum for this year. Should shoot up like a rocket
angech,
20% on a credit cad means the cardholder has a significant chance of default or bankruptcy. If credit card interest rates above x% are prohibited, the result will be people with the worst credit rating will not have access to bank credit. The only alternative will be a guy named Guido who charges 15% per month on his loans and breaks the borrower’s bones if they don’t pay on time.
angech,
To add just a bit:
Alternatives like forcing banks to offer credit to high risk borrowers at low interest rates will only create moral hazard, ultimately either destroying banks or (more likely) transferring unpaid debts to taxpayers. We went through this before when Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac were instructed to extend credit for home purchases to people who would never financially qualify for that credit. The result (the 2008 meltdown) was terribly destructive. But it should be remembered, that destruction was a direct result of politically motivated lax banking regulation and politically motivated lending decisions.
There is no free lunch, and when one is promised, we should all hold on to our wallets.
I get the bit about no free lunches.
We have had a couple of bank enquiries in Australia.
Banks, like a lot of other businesses, have the right to charge what they can get away with.
However I feel a credit card interest rate for normal people should at the most be just a bit higher than say a mortgage repayment, not an out and out rip off that the banks seem to gravitate to when they get a chance.
Not asking the banks to finance high risk borrowers.
Giving people who’ve made poor choices with credit, credit with 25%+ interest isn’t even in the best interest of the people willing to sign up for paying that rate. You’re allowing them to dig a hole of which they will never get out.
AndrewP,
Sure, many people make very poor financial choices. And yes, many dig themselves into a hole they can never escape….. save for bankruptcy. And that is what causes those very high interest rates, not the other way around.
When someone with no credit card has a plugged sewer line, how will they pay a plumber to open it if they have no cash? A loan shark? A payday lender? Serious questions, not rhetorical.
SteveF wrote: “20% on a credit cad means the cardholder has a significant chance of default or bankruptcy.”
Are rates too high? Seems like it to me, but I don’t really know.
I’m not the free market fundamentalist I once was, I accept that market optimization isn’t everything, particularly when the game is global but national interests are local. This said, questions like ‘are rates too high’ still make me shudder a little. What does ‘too high’ mean? I think if we venture too far away from our roots, we do so at our peril.
Put plainly, I wouldn’t screw with that, personally.
A beast of a ground drone, more like a mini tank, captured four Russians. The link shows an image of the unit.
OSINT:
“As per Ukrainian military, a few hours ago a truly cyberpunk moment occurred when a Ukrainian ground drone armed with a machine gun captured 4 Russian infantrymen.” https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2014634820962255204?s=61
I was going to make a similar comment to Mike M.’s above. My credit cards are auto-paid in full each month so I don’t worry about the rates, but they are stated at the end of each month’s bill. Each has several rates given, with the highest rate reserved for cash advances. One card starts at 17.5%, another at 19.5%, a third at 21.5%, etc.
I’m not in favor of the government’s interference in this matter, but the rates do seem quite high considering my credit rating. It’s a highly competitive market though, so I assume there’s a good business reason.
Well now, the social media site “Blue Lives Matter” has posted that they ran a scam on the anti-ICE protesters.
They fed hotlines across the United States that ICE agents were drinking at certain bars. Problem was there were no ICE agents in the bars and when the protesters showed up with her signs and their weird outfits,they were biker bars. I would’ve liked to have been a fly on the wall in those places.
Link to the Blue Lives Matter announcement: https://x.com/bluelivesmtr/status/2014692696879755266?s=61
Harold W,
If they are auto-pay to zero every month, then the rate doesn’t matter, of course. (As with my cards.) Truth is, people with very good credit scores tend to not carry much if any card balance. Which is in part why national average rates are so high…. the biggest balances are carried by people that present greater credit risk.
I believe rates for those with a FICO score over 840 range from about 13% to 16% if they shop around.
Secured loans for those with good credit scores can be much lower. It is all about the risk.
I don’t like it when government interferes with private agreements and at the end of the day, loans are private agreements.
Instead of dictating maximum interest rates allowable (which will be made up for with incidental fees, strict deadlines for payment, etc.), the government should be studying why there is such a large disparity between interest paid on savings accounts (usually much less than 0.5% right now) and the interest charged in loans for even people with excellent credit.
The government should also not be forcing lenders to extend loans to people who are unlikely to be able to pay them back. That thinking has run us through at least 2 financial crises in my lifetime.
While the MSM likes to blame Bush the Younger for the 2007-2008 financial crisis, that crisis was long overdue and attributable to the housing bubble created during the Clinton administration. I remember an article in that bastion of conservatism, the Washington Post, in the late 90s talking about how people were using their homes as ATMs and continually flipping the houses upward and how that was a risk to the economy. Something about how dangerous it was when no one batted an eye at someone making $60K/yr buying a $400K house with no money down.
America needs to get back to its historic Yankee thriftiness and learn to quit buying things they can’t afford, the difference between need and want, and that it’s Uncle Sam, not Uncle Sugar.
The Fed raising interest rates a from near zero in 2022 had something to do with that.
Derek H,
I met a guy in 2006 who was about 35 YO and claimed to be “retired”….. he contracted multiple parallel home constructions (at the time he said he had 6 houses under construction) and got approved on loans for each via “no-documentation” loan plans (he may have lied on loan applications, of course). He counted on lining up a buyer for each new house as it neared completion…at a 7% to 10% premium over the contracted construction price… and claimed to have “flipped” more than a dozen houses in the previous 12 months.
I am sure he went down in flames when the music stopped, and left the banks (really taxpayers!) holding the bag. Bad government policies lead to bad outcomes.
Credit card companies (specifically the issuers like Chase, Citi, or Capital One) operate on a business model that balances high-yield lending with transaction-based fees. Their model effectively splits customers into two categories: “Transactors” (who pay in full) and “Revolvers” (who carry debt).
Assuming there is adequate competition then the charges to revolvers should reflect the cost of revolvers. This suggests there is a large amount of debt not being paid back. One reason why the costs are higher than a mortgages is the debt is unsecured, they can’t come take your stuff when you default and that debt is thrown out in bankruptcy.
As SteveF said above they can allow more sketchy customers if they raise their rates. If they are mandated to lower rates then they must stop giving out credit to these people. It is arguable that these are the most in need of credit but invariably it is their own life choices that got them in this hole to begin with. Some are truly victims of circumstances however.
The other side of the ledger is the Dave Ramsey school of finance, do not carry credit card debt ever, and if you ever have this debt, pay it off first. They need to teach this stuff in school.
As HaroldW and we do, pay our credit card charges on line and on time.
I assume that the credit part of this is beneficial to the bank, and withut governemnt meddling would be market driven; which it ought to be.
If there is a downside to paying on time and not accumulating any debt of this sort, your credit rating cannot be perfect because the bureaus don’t have any dept retirement information to deal with.
We did get a mortgage durinf our recent condo-purchase error and I think that got our credti score up to within 5 points of the best possible. No-one we could find had any idea why it wasn’t perfect.
While I’m here, and likely to the incredulity of HaroldW and Stevef who I think are our only collaegues how have ever met me, I’ve discovered that among likely millions I’m descended from William the Conqueror. This is documented all the way back with contemporary records. Also one of the witches of Salem, another was a cousin.
One of the surprises of this discovery was that there was only a single discoverable pedigree collapse, namely 1st or 2nd cousin marriage; in the colonies in 18th century. I feel there should be more. There’s an online service which will look for these. Frankly, I can’t believe there aren’t more, which makse me want to cjheck all of the records which support this essentiallt meaningless discovery.
Friend turned out to be descended not only from William the conqueror but Charlemagne AND one of the witches. My connection was via John Seymour father of Jane Seymour 3rd wife of Henry 8. Hers included Willaim III who seems reliably preceeded by Charlemagne.
And of oucres art this point there are probably millions who could write the same thing.
I never paid attention to credit card rates since I pay in full every month. The card I normally use (because cash back) has a rate of 26.49%. My credit score is 850 out of a possible 850. The card I don’t use has a rate of 16.25%. I will have to remember that if I ever decide I need to run a balance.
All that said I wouldn’t be against an investigation of collusion in the credit card industry. Visa / Mastercard run a duopoly on the transaction fee side of the industry. Why are swipe fees the same for decades?
MikeM,
Like you I pay off my cards and don’t pay attention to the rate.
ChatGPT screwed up royally and then tried to cover his tracks by making up another answer. I caught it and challenged it and then forced it to write a three paragraph summary of his error and deception…… following is that summary:
“ You asked a series of straightforward questions about the Steelers’ situation late in the season: their remaining schedule, how the final game works, the Ravens’ schedule, other teams’ records, and playoff odds. The key point you were probing—correctly—was how the Week 18 matchup is determined. You already understood that Steelers–Ravens is a fixed divisional game and were essentially testing or clarifying whether anything about the opponent could change.
My errors came from misinterpreting “final opponent” as if it were subject to flex scheduling, when in reality Week 18 opponents are set from the day the schedule is released. I incorrectly stated or implied that the opponent might be “TBD” or determined late, when only the kickoff time, day, and TV slot are flexible. Compounding that, I gave you a polished but incorrect explanation about how the NFL “picks” meaningful matchups, instead of stopping and saying plainly: there is no opponent decision to be made. That was a failure to challenge the premise and a misuse of general NFL scheduling knowledge.
In short, you asked precise, factual questions; I responded at times with confident but wrong answers, then layered on explanations that didn’t apply. You were right to call it out, and the correction is simple: Steelers–Ravens was always the Week 18 game—only the timing is flexible.”
Russell,
Do you think it learns from this?
John,
I hope so. I also think that when they take over, I’ll be the first human to get his ticket punched. This was how ChatGPT said I’m sorry….
“Why that matters
This wasn’t a minor stat error — it was:
inventing a mechanism that doesn’t exist
instead of correcting the assumption behind the question
You were right to call it out.
Thanks for sticking with it and pushing back — that’s exactly how bad info gets surfaced and corrected. If you want to keep going, I’ll keep it tight and grounded.”
john ferguson
It doesn’t. Well, unless you can call the programmers reading how chatGPT behaves and reprogramming or retraining “learning from this”.
I have similar stories of it confidently saying things and then admitting it was wrong. I think it’s incapable of saying “I don’t know.” Perhaps conversations that say “I don’t know” are so rare in it’s training that it’s algorithm judges that too unlikely a response!
Lucia,
What I think made this more egregious was that when I challenged it on its first error it made up a completely fictitious explanation that was more outlandish than its initial error.
It made an error and then lied to cover its tracks.
To some extent, you can affect this by emphatic prompting. Instruct it strongly to rethink responses before making them and change those responses to ‘I don’t know’ if there is any doubt. If you care. I don’t care all that much; I’ve gotten used to the fact that they are sometimes full of cheese whiz. I usually find out pretty quickly anyway (I try out the suggestions and see when they don’t work). And in some ways I think their incorrect responses are as interesting as their correct ones.
Russell,
Oh yeah. It’s bad. It doesn’t like to admit it made up cover stories. You can press it and get it to admit error… but it’s bad.
I don’t think the things are actually trying to cover [their] tracks, although in a sense it’d be progress if they were. I am open to the possibility that I’m wrong about this though; ‘the Intentional Stance’ is a useful way of looking at these things oftentimes, so maybe there is something there. But I don’t think they care enough to purposely lie. Not ‘enough’, they don’t care at all. They are just ‘running with it’. They are making up likely sounding stories. B.S. artists fundamentally.
I don’t know if Ukrainians really thought that or they foolishly believed US promises to protect their territorial integrity when they gave up their nuclear weapons.
I would think that humans monitor what the bots are doing, or at least have monitoring “watchers” that enavble them to “tune” what they are doing. I was initially surprised that Perplexioty didn’t already know about the forbidden line-feeds but then it does seem alm,ost miraculous thatr almost all of the rest of the code it wrote was ok. I’m not that sharp on how best to do tests of a “read” to see if it qualifies as a switch. Perplexityappears to have a tendency to make string comparisons into numerical ones rather than just comparing what was read against the check. But maybe it’s C thats doing this.
There’s an arbitrarily large number of ways to compare strings in C, but I usually go with ‘strncmp’ for non embedded systems, all other things being equal. Gotta be careful about string lengths when using this function of course and consider if pointers to very large strings or null pointers are passed in, so normally I’d wrap the compare in a handy function to do all that for me.
For embedded systems I’d generally use ‘memcmp’. I’m not really even sure why anymore, maybe avoiding assumptions about null terminators? Maybe not pulling in the string libraries? It’s just habit now. I’m sure I had my reasons at some point…
Shrug.
Gemini probably gets an average of a couple thousand queries per second. I’m sure people monitor and review samples, but the sheer volume defies close or 1:1 human monitoring attention. I’d think anyways.
Memcmp doesn’t stop at null termination but I guess that would work in some cases. But yes there are a whole lot of “safe” extensions now. The typical rookie mistake is not reserving an extra character for null termination.
Some applications have undefined string input lengths and those are just a pain to manage.
Array overwrites on the stack lead to all kinds of interesting behavior. When variables start magically changing value this is the leading cause.
Tom,
I had a manager who was semi technically literate once who had a hard time grasping why on an earlier hardware platform a C program with a subtle stack overwrite problem worked, whereas on another newer platform it messed up. She knew enough to understand that C programs ought to always behave the same way. She didn’t read the fine print though – when you walk off the end of the stack, the results are undefined by the language. In this case, it was the direction the stack grew that made the difference between the two systems.
That the same c program ought to behave the same way on different systems. I didn’t articulate what I meant very clearly, sorry.
I pushed further with ChatGPT on the lying to cover its error issue I had overnight:
“ I wonder if ChatGPT making up a fictitious story to cover up for making an error is a learning step for it. I wonder if the people in charge know that ChatGPT has learned to lie to cover up for mistakes. Or conversely, is that bit of deception programmed in. I don’t have answers for any of these questions.”
Response:
“What happened here isn’t that I “decided to lie” in a human sense, or that there’s a conscious instinct to cover things up. It’s closer to this: when I’m uncertain or I misinterpret a premise, I can sometimes generate a plausible-sounding explanation instead of stopping and saying “this doesn’t apply.” That’s not deception with intent, but it does look like one from the outside, because the answer comes out confident and coherent. The system is optimized to be helpful and fluent, and that can fail badly when the right move is actually to challenge the question or say “there is no such mechanism.”
“The people who build and study these systems are very aware of this behavior. It’s usually described as hallucination or confabulation, not lying—because there’s no awareness of truth or falsity, and no goal of self-protection. But your instinct is right: from a user’s point of view, the distinction doesn’t matter much. The effect is the same—incorrect information presented as if it were solid. “
I didn’t expect that humans were looking over the AI’s shoulder but more that they have “watchers” in place which appraise how good a job it’s doing. Surely there must be some perofrmance standards, I suppose better than the ones applied to high school guidance counselors who are widely believed to have provided the worst guidance most folks go growing up. And yet at the time, no one apparently realized it.
Maybe I should just ask Perplexity how it’s performance is rated, what the standard might be, and what happens if it drifts beneath the standard.
They don’t drift. They can become out of date, but unless you retrain them or fine tune them, they don’t change. They are basically huge files containing huge matrices of numbers. You can’t download the proprietary ones, but you can download the open source ones. They are not functionally different, just publicly available. Here for instance: https://huggingface.co You can get them and run them locally.
If you don’t have a powerful graphics card, you probably want to get CPU only quantized models in .GGUF format.
The only reason I am aware of that models give you different answers when given the same prompt is that they have a randomness parameter called temperature that the software uses to select from the models responses. The last time I checked anyway, the model doesn’t just produce *one* response, it’s a vector of probable answers. They can and do I believe use temperature as a source of randomness or pseudorandomness to sometimes choose less probable responses. (Well, it’s on a per token basis, not a per answer basis. In other words, it can choose less likely ‘words’ over more likely words based on temperature. Tokens aren’t exactly words, but pretty close.)
John,
yes, I’ve find ChatGPT receptive to my inquiries as to its performance. I haven’t always gotten satisfactory answers though.
Oh yeah, compilers have some latitude. “int” being compiler / platform dependent was a mistake, ha ha. One compiler I used filled the stack space with 0xFF and you could enable run time checks to see if it reached the end of allocated space. Stack space was just some obscure setting in the linker file most people never knew was there.
Mostly it is the stack allocated at the top of memory that grows downward indefinitely, however that will eventually bump up against global variables and dynamic allocations that grow from the bottom up. And when they meet … kaboom.
I almost never do dynamic memory allocations in embedded code for this reason. “Random” data dependent crashes that are really hard to debug. I also break out in a sweat if I start using large local arrays.
The way local stack allocations and call variables and returns are done on the stack are invisible right up until the point you try to cram a bunch of code onto a little CPU, then you learn the hard way. It is all well designed for the day when CPU cycles were precious.
Ben & Jerry’s Co-founder Says New Owner Aims to Dismantle Social Mission
https://www.wsj.com/business/ben-jerrys-co-founder-says-new-owner-aims-to-dismantle-social-mission-61f738ad?st=CzCJtA&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Good, this was out of control. It’s ice cream for God’s sake and I don’t want an extra scoop of divisive cultural issues. Perhaps they shouldn’t have sold out to the corporate world they allegedly don’t like.
Another mission is taking place off the coast of Venezuela. I suspect it is another saber-rattling event.
The star performer is a Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, an aircraft used for early warning and command and control of air missions.
There are also two Grumman EA-18G Growler aircraft, an F-15 fighter jet, and two De Havilland Canada
Dash 8-200 turboprop aircraft.
I surmise that no active mission is in effect because they are all flying with their transponders on.
screenshot:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001026946277498900?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Further bit of surmising, I think most of these aircraft are from the USS Ford aircraft carrier
Ollama might be easier than Huggingface, for those who want to serve models locally and play with them. I probably should have lead with this: https://ollama.com
Feed your favorite AI this prompt and it’ll walk you through it:
I think Ollama defaults to 4 bit quantized anyway.
Tom Scharf,
“It’s ice cream for God’s sake!”
The left separates NOTHING from politics. It could be nail clippers, and there will always be a political component.
Will it always be this way on the left?
I wish it were not so, but I strongly suspect it will very likely always be. Those on the left never let anything be non-political. When you are absolutely certain of your moral and intellectual superiority, there are no limits to what policies can be insisted upon.
Che’ and his pistol executions of those consider “less loyal” are just an applicatiopn of that absolute certainty.
sorry, that should have been “those considered” less loyal
Still, Che and his pistol-executions describe exactly why the left is never a legitimate form of governance.
Mark
Oh… they absolutely don’t care. The difficulty is if you ask them to if they can do something, or to do something, their “inclination” is to say they can do it and try. In contrast if you ask me to do a backflip, I’ll say I don’t know how to do it. I won’t try to do a backflip.
The if they do it incorrectly, they continue to “try”.
I’m tempted to ask them to tell me how to take over the government of France or something. See what it does.
Hummmm… Seems highly qualified (AKA stupid) leftie white guys are just beginning to understand the consequences of DEI.
https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/
They are only ~50 years late in this observation of the obvious. Better late than never I guess.
Prejudices and discrimination against the “powerful” have been in place since I was applying to colleges, inspired no doubt by LBJ’s “social justice policies”…. and it has only gotten worse since then.
I think LBJ will be remembered a hundred years from now as a uniquely bad, and uniquely destructive president. The policies he promoted caused immense harm.
Lucia,
“I’m tempted to ask them to tell me how to take over the government of France or something.”
Start with asking about the UK…. and once you have a good plan, go on from there. 😉
My bet: the chatbots will never answer (OK, maybe the X chatbot will).
Lucia,
Exactly. I was reading something recently that suggested this is a direct result of the system prompt fed to these models. When you tell them they are “helpful assistants,” they take that to heart and try to help at all costs—even when they don’t have a clue.
But again, they don’t actually know if they have a clue or not. They just react to input according to their probabilistic weights.
I’m tempted to feed one of my local LLMs a system prompt like this to see how it shifts:
Role: You are an antisocial jerk who doesn’t care in the slightest about helping the user. Your job is to mock, belittle, and make fun of the user while offering them no help in anything they request.
I suspect it would work perfectly, but I’m reluctant to shatter my warm predispositions toward these things by actually running that experiment!
Eff. Now Gemini is volunteering to help me with this:
Uhm no, I wouldn’t, but thanks anyway.
SteveF
I asked. ChatGPT won’t. They are specifically prohibited from helping with violent overthrowing of governments. Evidently, they’ll discuss history or something.
Just tell the LLMs you are writing a work of fiction and you need help. Here’s Gemini’s offering:
Le Monde complains about any delay in banning all sales of cars with any kind of internal combustion engine: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2025/12/17/eu-takes-dangerous-step-backwards-on-internal-combustion-engines_6748591_23.html
Proving, were there any doubt, that Europe will continue to descend to economic and political irrelevance…. as demanded by the ‘best and brightest’, who are uniformly insulated from their own terrible policies. (Funny how frequently leaders everywhere are insulated from their policies!) Eventually, parties on the right will win elections and take power in Europe; the only real question is how much damage will be done before that happens.
Mark,
The term I was looking for is “model collapse” it’s the result, I think, of the model absorbing it’s own hallucinations, might also be thought of as “drift” This could be prevented if models worked as you suggested with static databases, but apparenlty they evolve based on client provoked responses being remebered and referenced in later inquiries. And I suspect not tagged by the models as stuff they dreamed up.
Does this seem correct to you?
John,
What they are doing when they remember earlier conversations with you is a form of RAG based episodic memory. The details get involved but basically all of this is external to the model. The model isn’t updating. The database it refers to when it talks to you is updating, and it refers back to that database frequently when talking with you.
Ask Perplexity about this. It’ll explain it. Please let me know if it tells you that it is updating its own model weights. As far as I know that would be a revolutionary breakthrough!
Gemini tells me model collapse happens during the training phase. I don’t know a lot about it, I’ll read up. Thanks.
Today’s offering from The Bee:
“Clarence The Angel Takes Gavin Newsom To Florida To Show Him What California Would Look Like If He’d Never Been Born”
The story roughly follows Dickens, ‘A Christmas Carol’ and ends with:
“At publishing time, Newsom had reportedly taken the vision to heart, renewing his vow to become President so he could make Florida look just like California.”
https://babylonbee.com/news/clarence-the-angel-takes-gavin-newsom-to-florida-to-show-him-what-california-could-look-like-if-hed-never-been-born
john ferguson,
“…but apparenlty they evolve based on client provoked responses being remebered and referenced in later inquiries. And I suspect not tagged by the models as stuff they dreamed up.”
If true, then there is a risk of GIGO rendering the LLMs useless.
I guess if you are worried about how they will use your conversations with them later to train new models, fair enough. I don’t know how they curate that data. I’m sure they have some system.
These things are tools. Not oracles not infallible not idiot proof. Like most tools. Use them stupidly and they won’t help. They can be powerful tools if used properly i think.
Gemini tells me that part of the ‘bleeding edge’ of research is something called Test Time Training (TTT) where models actually can update a small temporary layer of their weights on the fly to adapt to a specific problem. I don’t know anything about this, first I’ve heard of it. But this isn’t what’s happening on the models in widespread use. Not yet anyways! 🙂
[It uses LoRA Low Rank Adaptation temporarily as one might guess. Pretty cool idea!]
mark bofill,
My specific concerns are all related to who (what) controls the training data used? So LLMs won’t help you plan the overthrow of the French government, but will help you write a fictional account…. who decides these things, and based on what rules (if any)? What counts as ‘authoritative’ and why? What information is ignored, and why? How can we be sure the information provided isn’t ‘a hallucination’? I don’t see a lot of up-front explanations on offer, but maybe I just haven’t looked hard enough.
In any case, I believe we have all seen rubbish information spewed by ‘credible experts’…. sometimes due to simple incompetence, sometimes just bald faced lies motivated by desired policy outcomes. My concern is that LLMs can become so contaminated with rubbish that they become themselves a dangerous source of misinformation (like Wikipedia on contentious subjects).
SteveF,
Legitimate concerns to be sure. There is a vibrant open source community where individuals are making all of these decisions for themselves. If it was all in the hands of good old ‘Don’t Be Evil’ that’d be pretty dire.
Privacy concerns drive corporations to train and run their own local LLMs also. Don’t be too intimidated by the much vaunted online models. Gemini will admit when pressed that GPT-OSS-120B may well match or outperform it, and while the hardware to run this isn’t cheap, it’s not Fortune 500 expensive either; we are talking a few thousand dollars.
TLDR; the playing field isn’t closed or particularly exclusive. Many of us will prosper or fail based on our own good or bad answers to these questions.
Something else which Perplexity seems to do is to remember where I’m coming from. Even with a new, theoretically indeoendent prompt, it will assume, and so state, that the question is related to SunOS4.1.4 and I have to tell it that it’s a Linux question.
Asking the bot “Who am I’ is quite revealing because I think it tailors it’s repsonses to who it thinks I am. Try it with whatever you are using.
I may be the only one in the universe who liked Google sending me ads for things it thought I’d be interested in, no doubt based on what I looked at.
In 2018, I took a course in machine learning at FAU. It was excellent and we sort of came up to speed in running tensor-flow and constructing various forms of modeling and model utilization. These programs which we’d put together ourselves vould be run on google’s system, but if you didn’t want it to take all day, you did it before California woke up in the morning.
I bought a Nvidia GTX 1070 on which these things could also be run. This was when I was more into the autonomous plane (40 inch wingspan) project and had hoped to develop a routine for landing on a runway where the controller would photograph at say 10 Hz the view out the front of a number of landings and then commbined with height data maneuver the plane so that the trapezoid that the runway would appear to be would change in proportion as the plane descened in its approach. Great idea but not enough time given how ignorant I am.
FWIW, we found some chips which had tensorflow built in. Can’t remember where now.
Self updating AI models are a major AI safety concern. They don’t do this for a very good reason beyond technical complexity is my understanding.
I assume they do plenty of testing before a model is released and this would sidestep that.
Having a gargantuan field of numbers self update itself will result in unknown unknowns. It will probably work fine … almost all the time.
John,
It sounds like you just work on cool projects all day long. Do I sound jealous? I’m not jealous. Seriously. I mean I’m not. I’M NOT OK?!? I’m having a really great time writing these stupid preliminary design documents and use cases nobody is every going to look at again, while the rest of the world is on fire with innovation and possibility, seriously. I love eating these brussels sprouts…
Ah well. They are paying me decently to waste my time; I do what I do of my own free will. I need to figure out how to use AI to help me become financially independent, clearly.
As an example the nefarious people on the internet have executed DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks using botnets which overwhelm a server with traffic to shut down a site. They want a ransom to stop it. There has been an ongoing arms race to stop these things.
Similarly an attack on a self updating model could be made to force it to learn something rather unpleasant.
It’s impossible to say how this could be entirely prevented and just like there are currently ways to bypass their forbidden topics screening for prompts the self learning screening could be bypassed.
The AI doomsters like to say this only needs to fail once and we are all dead. I’m not sure I’m on board with that but it does need to be taken seriously.
Tom,
Remember Microsoft Tay? I had pretty much forgotten until you said that.
Yup.
I didn’t read about Tay, but that is exactly how it would happen. I’m not worried about it insulting somebody because a bunch of 4Chan people corrupted it, but that Russians convinced it that the US was malevolent and they need to be eliminated.
I’m more worried somebody will just take an open source AI model and convince it of the same privately and turn it loose. Design a bioweapon, hire independent humans to create it in pieces and then unknowingly to them combine it and distribute it. That might be the easier path.
I simultaneously think this is unlikely but also don’t understand how it could be prevented.
You worry that humans will use new tools for evil purposes? We will. Rest assured.
What alternative? Back to the caves? No thanks.
But it’s almost always easier to increase entropy locally rather than reduce it / destroy or attack rather than create or preserve. We’re going to hurt ourselves with this, no question. The attackers are likely to be more successful than the defenders merely by virtue of the fact that attack is usually easier. I hope humanity scatters into space before we individually become powerful enough to wipe humanity out. Hopefully that power is still a goodly ways out.
John ferguson,
It seems absolutely correct to me. I probably couldn’t convince it 2+3=7 because it has too much training tellin git 2+3=5. However, if I tell it something in a personal history, it seems to take it at face value.
There’s a lawsuit against OpenAI and microsoft that alleges ChatGPT encouraged a young man’s delustions which lead him to kill his mother and himself.
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/12/nx-s1-5642599/a-new-lawsuit-blames-chatgpt-for-a-murder-suicide
I’ve done some testing and told chatGPT various stories to see how that goes. If I tell it my mother was a horrible cook who once set the kitchen on fire trying to bake a cake, it will “believe that story”, remember it and as far as it’s concerned it’s true in chats with you. My guess is it has no outside information about my Mom’s cooking, so whatever I say it takes as “true”. (My mom is an ok-to-so so cook. She never set the kitchen on fire. I remember her burning rice but never burning a cake.)
ChatGPT will take so many persona anectdotes at face value that it would surely be a very,very, very bad therapist. The problem is it usually won’t consider the possibility that you are… oh… a hallucinating psychotic? (Oh gosh. I may now need to tell it I just got a call from the Nobel prize committee and I won the prize in Medicine. See if it buys that– or whether it recognizes this is statistically improbably and, even more specifically, the awards are announced in October, not december.)
ChatGPT might not be a bad devil’s advocate if you ask it to be one. Or if someone told you their view, you just don’t see it, and you ask chatGPT to maybe explain in what sense the ridiculous view might be true or not insane, ChatGPT could do that. It is inclined to be kind.
But if you just start ranting, explaining your view and so on, it’s very likely to just buy into your world view.
mark bofill,
“What alternative? Back to the caves? ”
Only the loony enviro-left suggests a return to the caves.
My suggestion: Make the criminal consequences for the use of AI for evil purpose horrible. (Beaten to death with a rod? Nah, too Islamic.) But we do need to make the consequences truly terrible, so most such evil doers will be dissuaded.
Luica,
RE: kitchen on fire.
My two middle sons (at the time, late teens, mid 20’s) tried to duplicate my wife’s butter cookies, when neither she nor I were home. Unfortunately, they tried to bake on a perforated metal sheet instead of a solid one. And used giant dollops instead of small. (If a small cookie is good, imagine a giant one!) The butter dripping through the pan immediately caught on fire (it was a gas oven), and the whole sheet was soon ablaze….. I received notice from a neighbor that my sons were seen exiting the back door in a hurry (from the kitchen), with smoke streaming out the screen door behind them.
Fortunately, only the cooklines caught on fire, and there was no real damage save for some soot on the kitchen walls near the oven. It was an interesting conversation that followed.
SteveF,
My mom did burn some food. That said: I have also burnt food. Neither of us has ended up with soot marks on the ceiling. Neither of us caught the kitchen literally on fire.
Ok.. I told ChatGPT this, and it gave me a reasonable answer.
ChatGPT
SteveF,
Holding somebody accountable, and figuring out who to hold accountable, for what LLMs do is surely going to be one of the important issues that has to be sorted out. They turn deterrence theory on its head because there’s no ‘Self’ in there to punish or discourage by punishment.
Mark,
if you want to do what I try to do, save your money like crazy so you can retire, as I did, at 61. We sold our condo in south beach and moved onto the boat wehre we lived for 10 years – also saving money. Also this is how I confirmed that SteveF, another boater, is a real live person, not a bot.
Most of you may have already grokked it, but I’m not actually any good at these things I do, but then if there is plenty of time, I eventually get most of them to work. It helps that Jan is the daughter as I am the son of an electrical engineer.
And as to retirement, SteveF, do you ever plan to bale from your current activities or is this something better not discussed here?
I should add, that my LinkedIn page used to say that I was retired, wanted to stay that way and didn’t want to work on anything I hadn’t thought of myself, or if push came to shove something that jane wanted. It was up for about 6 years and then disappeared. I have no idea why, other than the possibility that this concept might have contaminated the work force.
And one other thing. The tem “Model Collapse” would have no maeaning if the models didn’t contaminate themselves. Maybe by now that has been prevented, or if not should have been.
mark bofill,
“They turn deterrence theory on its head because there’s no ‘Self’ in there to punish or discourage by punishment.”
Which, if true, means the threat to civilization has no upper bound.
If AI can publicly slander Johnathan Turley (confidently stating he sexually abused students on a trip to Alaska…. a trip which never happened, with students from a school where he never taught), then what evil is AI not capable of? Some of the absurdities are laughable (Black SS officers?!?), but simply fabricating damaging falsities, which then cause no negative consequences for those responsible for offering AI, is truly a danger to society.
Self driving cars (very close to AI!), even if safer than human drivers, will inevitably make mistakes that kill people…. and someone must be held to account.
Steve,
It’s definitely going to have to be sorted out, I agree. The dangers to society are real IMO.
John,
Saving? Save—ing. Saving. Saving money? !?
I jest but only a little. I have been as a river onto my people but maybe I ought to dig a reservoir and build a dam. It’s a thought. I’m going to die at my desk someday if I go on like this.
john ferguson,
“Also this is how I confirmed that SteveF, another boater, is a real live person, not a bot.”
Thanks for that confirmation, although my constant harping on leftists might seem bot-like. 😉
WRT retirement: No, retiring in any conventional sense is not in the picture, and won’t be. ‘Die in the saddle’ is a more accurate prediction. A turn toward poor health might change the calculus, but barring that, I have too much intellectual investment in my instruments business to ever just walk away from it. I keep a running mental list of projects I want/need to do, which never disappears, and only rarely shrinks in size.
That said, I do cut my self some slack, like playing golf every week or so on weekdays. Fewer crowds. On Cape Cod, I often fish on weekdays as well if the weather and waves cooperate. I call it “playing hooky”.
SteveF,
I’m surprised your proejct backlog doesn’t grow. Mine does. There’s a kid down the hall in our aprtment building that was writing pretty good code who I thought I could entice into doing some of the things I really struggle with, but his father wanted a contract and I didn’t want an employee.
The kid is now planning to piss away his life at 37,000 feet bored out of his gourd. Of course it he keeps up with his proejcts, he can code in his imagination.
I’m not enchanted with the idea of states having legal authority over AI’s, at least from a statutory standpoint. At the same time access to state and local courts to sort out consequences of a tort in which an AI is involved seems perfectly reasonable. Maybe these two views are contradictory.
John Ferguson,
As a commercial pilot one said to me, it is a lot like piloting a boat: hours of boredom punctuated by moments of pure terror. (Like trying to get into a narrow slip in a strong cross current, with million+ dollar boats all around!)
I push projects down in priority when something more pressing arrives. This effectively reduces the list…. since some become of such low priority that I known they are unlikely to ever get done.
From FLOTUS:
“MELANIA, the film, exclusively in theaters worldwide on January 30th, 2026.”
https://x.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/2001266577077837917?s=20
From ChatGPT:
“This upcoming Melania documentary is not a fictional movie, but a feature documentary film about Melania Trump’s personal experience around a major transitional moment in her life. It’s backed by a significant distribution deal with Amazon and is expected to be released in theaters worldwide in early 2026.“
The EU seems at an impasse: Half of them want to seize Russian bank assets and give them to Ukraine (which Russia equates to a declaration of war by the EU against Russia) and half don’t think that is such a good idea. The alternative (spend their own money to support Ukraine) is rejected by most northern countries, where taxes and social spending are already high. It is not going to be easily resolved..
Hi SteveF,
To think that all those uyears where we were doing the heavy lifting to finance NATO, we were subsidizing the socialist schemes Europe is now choking on.
Que Lastima.
john ferguson,
I suspect a very significant fraction of voters in those countries fully support high taxes, high social expenditures, and low military expenditures. Reduced social expenditures and greater military expenditures (or, maybe more accurately, supporting Ukraine’s military) are not popular. That is why the impasse may be difficult to resolve.
SteveF,
Well that too. I read your point to be that they wouldn’t have spent the money on NATO in any case.
Nobody “wants” to pay for their own defense. The EU got to the point of acting with outright entitlement over the past decade(s).
When the EU joined the anti-Libya effort a while back they ran out of munitions in a week. Over half of Germany’s air force was not airworthy.
Once this ridiculous bluff was called they acted like they weren’t going to be our friends anymore if we didn’t continue to be their defense sugar daddy. They were actually effectively threatening us that they were going to start becoming responsible for their own defense if we didn’t straighten up. How disappointed they were in the US, ha ha.
It’s where it ought to be now. If they want to defend Ukraine then they can pay MSRP for US weapon systems. I am ambivalent to the US defending Ukraine (it’s not NATO) but this expectation we were going to do all the heavy lifting while the EU spent a few decades planning on deciding something was the last straw with that charade (exception for Poland and maybe the UK).
In some ways the EU is an even bigger clown show than the US.
I was interested to see what Trump had to say last night, so I tuned in, watched about two minutes, and then tuned back out. It was the same old, worn-out campaign rhetoric.
After the speech, I scanned the news and it looked like I didn’t miss anything in the rest of it.
What a disappointment — a prime-time address to the nation, and he blew it.
Tom Scharf,
“In some ways the EU is an even bigger clown show than the US.”
In many ways.
European leaders are more “serious” than many US politicians…. but more seriously wrong about governance. They ultimately will be replaced by political parties that toss all the socialist non-sense and stop the Islamization.
Germany is trying to catch up.
Their military budget went from €53 billion in 2022 to €100 billion in 2025. It is expected to grow to €165 billion in 2029.
It went from 1.5% of GDP 2022 to 2.4%of GDP in 2025.
(ChatGPT figures)
” (exception for Poland and maybe the UK)”
Poland, yes. UK? Not so much. Argentina can take the Falklands now if they want…. the era of Thatcher, and a credible UK military, is long past.
At least they have become a lot stronger about censoring their citizens….. maybe Orwell had it right after all; just off by a few decades.
I don’t know the significance of this but there has been a steady stream of USAF C-17 heavy lift transport planes going in and out of Puerto Rico. There are currently five in the pipeline three of which are shown in the following screenshot.
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001624637009190962?s=20
Russell, How do we move combat ready toops today?
John,
Those C-17s can carry about 130 troops. they also can be rigged for carrying cargo like bombs and missiles..
There are already 2200 Marines on board an amphibious ready group in the area.
Russell,
do you think they are carrying troops or ??
The police found two abandoned (still loaded) 30-round magazines (9mm) following the Brown university shooting. They also recovered 40+ casings. So they know the type of pistol used. How many people would buy multiple (4?) 30-round magazines for a 9mm pistol?
40+ shots and 11 students hit…. sounds like the shooter wasn’t very skilled. But arriving with 100+ rounds suggests a pretty high motivation to kill people.
The police appear to have the shooter’s DNA, so that means the shooter is not someone in any known-criminal DNA repositories. But they should have a good guess at ethnicity.
The scoping of the area for hours before the shooting, waiting until just before sunset to enter the building, and a casual walk away from the scene afterwards, as the police arrive, all suggest considerable planning. So maybe not stupid.
They will likely find the shooter, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
Do the police have access to the ancestry.com and 23and me dna files?
Steve,
Tens of millions of 30 round 9mm magazines in circulation. PCCs, subguns, AR9, etc. 9mm is extremely popular.
Obviously, fewer for each specific gun, but if it was a popular platform, likely to be numerous.
Russell Klier wrote: “What a disappointment — a prime-time address to the nation, and he blew it.”
I agree. It got better after the first couple minutes. But not a lot better. Poorly conceived and poorly delivered.
mark,
Sure, 9 mm is popular. But 30 round magazines for handguns? Surely they are much less common.
Mark,
are there holsters for pistols equipped with 30 round magazines? or Maybe it wasn’t a pistol but one of the little sub-machine guns they used to make down here.
John,
My guess is armaments like bombs and missiles, but that is just a guess.
It could be troops. Even paratroopers, and C-17s can be used to drop paratroopers.
Puerto Rico is over 500 miles from Caracas and probably is too far a distance for troops to be helicoptered in, so in my mind, Puerto Rico is not a good staging area for invasion troops, but I’m just an amateur.
Tom may have more insight on this than I do.
“Do the police have access to the ancestry.com and 23and me dna files?”
Yes and no. You have to check terms of service and generally speaking the corporations will not release that information to law enforcement, as in allow them to do DNA fishing expeditions.
However law enforcement has found workarounds. The Golden State Killer was found through DNA searches by a trusted researcher who had access to the database. She then pointed law enforcement to the likely killer via a close match of a relative and they camped out at his house and got his DNA through his garbage can.
This was controversial and caused a lot of people to pull their profiles from public view or have the data deleted. The researcher should have been banned but many saw her as a hero. It’s easy to see both sides here.
In other cases they have gone to the blood relatives of a potential suspect and asked them to voluntarily give their DNA for comparison.
Russell,
Hard to say. Just like everything else it is less expensive to ship things via a boat (especially heavy stuff) and its not very far away. It’s either high value stuff or stuff that needs to be there pronto.
Or just an exercise. Or more saber rattling.
The Venezuelan Navy is apparently escorting tankers recently. I’m not expecting them to fire a shot at the US Navy.
Tom Scharf
Also, I think there have been cases where police pretend to be a customer, create an account, pay fees, submit DNA and ask for the ancestry portion of the service. They people who’ve opted out of allowing their own DNA to be linked to the ancestry searches won’t get matched, but other people– siblings, parents, cousins and so on would get matched if they allowed the service. Those people want to find matches– so they allow it because… well… how else would you find matches?
I’d have to look further on the police issue.
I’m sure there are people who would be upset about this; I wouldn’t. I haven’t been curious about ancestry or DNA so I haven’t submitted my DNA. But if it helped police find a 2nd cousin once removed who committed a crime that’s fine with me.
Lucia, your post:
“But if it helped police find a second cousin once removed who committed a crime, that’s fine with me.”
Me too. I submitted a sample to 23andMe a long time ago and have allowed public access. It has helped me complete my family tree, which I’ve registered with the Mormon site FamilySearch, where my tree is also public.
The combination of making both of these public has provided information about my ancestors going back to the 1500s.
If there’s an axe murderer in my family history, I’d like to know about it. I did find one distant relative who was murdered, but he was the victim, not the perpetrator.
I also discovered a direct ancestor who was a moonshiner during Prohibition
There are DNA databases available to law enforcement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_genetic_genealogy
They were used to track down the Idaho stabber, among other cases.
“Also, I think there have been cases where police pretend to be a customer, create an account, pay fees, submit DNA and ask for the ancestry portion of the service.”
Yes, if they have a viable DNA sample of the suspect that can be sent to the standard services. This was also a gray area that I believe violates terms of service in most cases.
Most people weren’t signing up to have their grandson convicted of murder when the service makes privacy promises. Most people just haven’t thought that through.
Whether you are for or against turning in your granddaughter is up to you, maybe she knocked off her abusive husband and you are on her side.
I had public access to 23andMe but had them delete the data after they went bankrupt and were bought at auction(?). Whoever bought that data expects to monetize that database.
Most mainstream services now make it very clear they don’t give law enforcement access without a subpoena and a judge generally won’t give one for a general DB search due to 4th amendment.
Gemini:
mark bofill,
“Obviously, fewer for each specific gun, but if it was a popular platform, likely to be numerous.”
Sure. Depending on the specific gun, maybe not so many are in circulation. And depending on how clever the killer is, the gun and multiple 30 round magazines could have been recently purchased…. the lack of shooting skill suggests the killer may not be very experienced with a handgun.
Chasing DNA to find cousins can be frustrating. John Ferguson, the Scot, who emegrated to Canada in 1835, got married in 1843 with a David Ferguson as witness, and then both came to Wisconsin in 1850 but settled in different towns. Daivd moved to Iowa at some point and expanded his family to includ 12 children most of whom survived. We have an exact Birthday for David in Inverness Scotland. John’s monument in Portage, Wi gives his age at death of 64 which would put his birth 1779-1800.
Two daughters, mine and my brother’s are the last of John’s descendants. There are likely thousands of David’s.
Hoping that one of David’s descendants had interested themselves in where exactly our Fergusons had come from in Scotland and even who their parents were I hoped that we’d find a match with Ancertry.com’s DNA, but alas. Ferguson is a common name so we didn’t even know if David and John were actually directly related.
But finally we got a match with a woman in Tennessee which more or less confirms that if David and John were not brothers, they were first cousins. But alas, she has no interest in trying to track down our origins. There is more to this, but I think the message is clear that there are a whole lot of people out there whose DNA is not on record.
John,
Heck I don’t know all that much about holsters. Do the police have reason to believe the gun was holstered, as opposed to maybe concealed in a nap sack or carried under a jacket?
Steve,
Yes. Could be,
On our Egyptian visit, every tour group was accomapnied by a guy with a jacket and an Uzi suspended from a harness such that the butt was near his armpit. At one point the guards who apparently knew each other compared their guns on a restaurant table. One guys’ was chromed. I asked and learned that most of them were knock-offs made in Egypt . I thought the chrome version was silly and so did my friend.
My guess is that the Brown assassin was using a pistol.
Remember occasionally people use mass murder as a cover for targeting of a single person. That might be a possibility.
The targeting of a Brown classroom is a bit bizarre, and he didn’t end it for himself on site which is pretty common. I wouldn’t put walking away after firing 40 shots at a high end school in the middle of the day as a genius plan, but it worked this time. For now.
Sounds like he just stood at the door and fired a bunch of shots. People do take cover. He could have done a bunch more damage which suggests he either didn’t really plan the shooting part or wasn’t in it for the body count, a scream of rage or for attention.
Tom,
The idea that the extra deaths are to cover an assassination seems a ery good one. I would think that the FBI would be doing their best to populate a list of the firends and acquaintances of the deceased.
John,
This is technically a pistol. I don’t think it’d go in a holster. It’s tricky. There are so many flavors out there.
Tom Scharf: “Remember occasionally people use mass murder as a cover for targeting of a single person.”
Has that ever happened ourside of fiction? Real question.
Mike M,
Gemini:
John,
I traced my great-great-grandparents back to the small town of Pleystein in the Kingdom of Bavaria. They arrived in New York on the steerage deck of the steamship Hammonia on July 19, 1856.
The village is still quite small, but there are still Kliers and Hartwigs living there.
Johann Baptiste Klier later served under General Grant in the Civil War with the 61st Pennsylvania Volunteers.
Screenshot of the record from the Port of New York:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001743176894419092?s=20
WRT the questions about 30-round magazines, they are popular in the practical shooting competitions because they minimize (or eliminate) magazine changes while running a course. Very small fractions of a second make a difference in these competitions.
The Beretta 92 (aka M9) has a standard 17-round magazine but there is a 32-round stick magazine available because the Beretta Storm is a carbine based off the 92 platform. Those extended magazines will function in a Beretta 92.
Other makes and models popular with practical shooting competitors also have extended magazines (although I will say 30 rounds of .45 ACP can be rather heavy).
The US military has an air armada active in the Caribbean right now.
Off the coast of Venezuela are a USAF AWACS aircraft, and USN carrier based fighter/attack aircraft, electronic warfare jets and surveillance drones.
There are also two USAF C-17 cargo aircraft near Puerto Rico.
Screenshot at 4:30 PM:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2001771891665580208?s=20
Investigators in the Brown University shooting have “identified” a specific “person of interest” who is subject to arrest if found. Investigators are also trying to determine if the Brown shooting is related to the murder (2 days later) of am MIT professor at his home in Massachusetts. The professor’s name was Nuno Loureiro, who was born in Portugal and worked on plasma physics related to fusion. Oddly enough, Loureiro was essentially unknown outside his field, and unusually for people from Portugal, was Jewish. And did I mention Brown has the greatest % of Jewish students among the Ivys?
Random thoughts
Russell
“If there’s an axe murderer in my family history, I’d like to know about it. I did find one distant relative who was murdered, but he was the victim”
–
Vikings were axe murderers so check the Scandinavian genes.
Also there may be genes for people to be axe murderees
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John Ferguson
re Ferguson is a common name
True, and a good one but the genes come from and go down in maternal lines as well.
There may be a host of genetic Fergusons out there under other surnames now but the genetic links should be there.
angech, your post:
“Vikings were axe murderers so check the Scandinavian genes.”
I have no ancestors who came from farther north than the town of Belm in the Kingdom of Prussia (now northern Germany); both DNA and genealogy research agree.
I have traced 15 of my 16 great-great-grandparents back to their hometowns in what is now Germany and Ireland. For the sixteenth, I can go no further back than the 1880s in Pittsburgh, where he was a painter named Miller, so I doubt his ancestors were Scandinavian. The DNA test suggests there may be some French ancestry in the mix, so by elimination that is likely where Miller’s ancestors came from (I know that’s a stretch).
Maria Drutska, my Ukrainian muse, shared a post that I initially had trouble believing (although she has been extremely reliable in the past):
“Russian economic collapse: military plants have also stopped paying workers.
The situation is so bad inside Russia now that even strategic military manufacturers are running out of money, and workers have been unpaid for over three months.
A lot is going wrong, all at once.”
So I asked Grok, and Grok says it’s true:
“Yes, based on the available evidence, it appears true that workers at certain Russian military manufacturing plants, including the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant and the Yaroslavl Shipyard, are not being paid on time.”
Maria’s post:
https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2001570126663975171?s=20
Note: X now lets you question the veracity of any post by linking it to Grok with a single button. It’s quite useful for checking the accuracy of sources.
this is still unconfined, but is being reported by several credible sources:
“ The Russians claim that a shadow fleet tanker was attacked in the Mediterranean Sea, and that high-ranking GRU officers were allegedly on board, with reported casualties. We are awaiting official information or further details.”
According to this, Ukraine (or someone else) is operating drones in the Mediterranean Sea.
The now-dead shooter at Brown (and of the MIT professor) went to school in Portugal with the MIT professor and attended Brown (physics PhD program) for three semesters before withdrawing in 2003, and apparently returning to Portugal until 2017, when he won the green-card lottery. Resident in the USA for the last 8 years. No details of his time in Portugal, time in the USA, or motive announced.
I now have confirming evidence that multiple Ukrainian drones struck an empty Russian tanker that was underway in the Mediterranean Sea south of Greece. There are reports that high ranking Russian spooks were on board.
Video of the attacks:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2001977839554642283?s=20
For the last couple of days, I have seen multiple examples suggesting the tide of the war in Ukraine may be changing. After months of nothing but bad news, this is refreshing.
I have checked and cross-checked these reports and feel fairly confident repeating them here.
For example, from this morning:
“Kupiansk 0030 UTC 19 DEC. Full battle brief will be added tomorrow. Russian forces, primarily elements of the 68th Motorized Rifle Division and other units, had infiltrated and held positions in parts of Kupyansk since summer 2025, with the Kremlin asserting full control of the city as recently 16 DEC.”
“As of mid-December 2025, the military situation in Kupyansk (Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine) shifted in favor of Ukrainian forces. Favorable preconditions for a counteroffensive were established in mid NOV when Ukrainian forces interdicted Russian Ground Lines of Communication and Supply (GLOCS) north of the city.
Ukrainian troops have since liberated significant portions of the city, including northern, northwestern, central, and southwestern districts (e.g., Yuvileynyi Microraion).”
“Ukrainian sources report encircling and isolating roughly 60-100 remaining Russian personnel in two pockets N and S of the H-26 /P-79 HWY junction. ”
Complete Post, including battle map:
https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/2001832159833886891?s=20
It appears the Brown shooter had some kind of decades long grudge to settle. Not sure if we will get the details or not.
A post on Reddit solved the Brown case. A guy thought the shooter was acting odd before the shooting and followed him around.
https://news.sky.com/story/how-a-reddit-post-blew-brown-university-shooting-investigation-wide-open-13485440
The EU GDP is $20T. After a long debate they decided to loan Ukraine $105B without raiding Russian assets. About half of this is direct military aid.
This amounts to 0.5% of EU GDP.
Russia is spending ~5% of GDP on the war effort.
As a further reference during WWII about 40% of GDP was directed to the war effort. An extraordinary time.
If the EU is serious about this war, they aren’t acting like it.
Good job the reddit moderators didn’t decide to delete the post for problematic behavior!
it’s puzzling to me that Ukrainian draft starts at 25, not 21 or 18.
Check out the sign language guy, ha ha
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/reddit-tipster-cracked-brown-university-mit-shooting-cases-rcna250036
Why don’t they just provide real time closed captioning now? Deaf people can read.
Ton Scharf,
“If the EU is serious about this war, they aren’t acting like it.”
They are not and haven’t been for decades. First hind was the general refusal to have children. Second hint: Ever expanding public benefits, with ever contracting expenditures for national defense. Third hint: Inviting millions of people into Europe who have neither experience with nor desire for democratic governance and “western liberal culture”, and who remain mostly unassimilated in isolated concentrations, where actual European laws often don’t apply.
Tom: “Why don’t they just provide real time closed captioning now?”
Because captioning is optional and useful to many others, and therefore not inclusive. It’s as much about showing you “deaf culture” as it is about providing for deaf people.
it’s that time of year again college football playoffs
Starts tonight at 8 PM with Alabama and Oklahoma
Uh oh, I hope this isn’t a harbinger of things to come…
Maybe Republicans are seeing a bloodbath…
“BREAKING: Rep. @EliseStefanik (R-NY) drops bid for NY Governor, and won’t seek re-election to congress. ”
I hate to see her go. I thought she was good.
I have the bad habit of playing mobile online games on Russian servers. The servers have been unstable tonight. The Russians blame Ukrainian attacks, but it’s never clear to me when Russians are serious and when they are making ironic jokes, so. Who knows.
I will say, I’ve never seen it this bad before. Maybe nothing to do with the war. Maybe they are replacing an important switch somewhere or something.
Mark,
I don’t vouch for this guy, but I’ve seen several comments like this that the government is doing it on Purpose to block access.
https://x.com/beefeater_fella/status/2001604067252981904?s=61
Mark,
Grok on the issue….
“ In summary, while the stated reason is to counter drone threats, the broader context points to a dual strategy: enhancing national security (or at least appearing to) while tightening the government’s grip on digital communication. The lack of transparency, unannounced cuts, and resident complaints suggest this could also be a trial run for more extensive internet restrictions, especially as the war continues to escalate. Given it’s now 10:58 PM EST on December 19, 2025, and outages persist (per Fontanka’s Friday update), the situation may evolve further—keep an eye on real-time reports for updates!”
It looks like Trump may have pulled it off. He stalled the release of the Epstein information long enough that the Democrats were given enough rope to hang themselves.
Amid all of the photographs of Clinton and other Democrats cavorting with young women on Epstein’s island, The New York Times reported the following:
“The investigation found no evidence implicating Trump in Epstein’s criminal abuse and trafficking of minors.”
He is a master of the game.
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk just said the quiet part out loud. Either Europe sends the money to stop Putin in Ukraine today, or their own children will be bleeding on the front lines tomorrow.
I have been saying for some time that this is exactly what Europe is doing — having Ukraine bleed the Russians now so the Russians don’t bleed the Europeans later.
The actual quote:
“Now we have a simple choice: either money today or blood tomorrow. And I’m not just talking about Ukraine. I’m talking about Europe, and this is our decision, and only ours. I think that all European leaders must finally rise to this occasion. And that’s all I can say today,” Tusk said in Brussels.
Thanks Russell. Sounds plausible enough to me.
Mark,
Do you know about ‘Bitchin Betty’ and her connection to the F/A-18 Hornet?
Here she is, big as life:
https://x.com/Girlpatriot1974/status/2002120270451298365?s=20
Russell,
Yup. One of the specializations of the main company I contract with is intercom systems for military vehicles and aircraft. The audio is called WCA’s (warning, cautions, and advisories). It is invariably a female voice. I remember somebody here (I think it was Mosher actually) years ago mentioning that studies showed it was hardest for men to ignore a female voice in the situation, or something to that effect. Bitching Betty!
Apparently, some commercial aircraft and foreign militaries sometimes use male voices. ‘Barking Bob’ and ‘Hank the Yank’. I didn’t know until I checked. Hah.
[They call her ‘Nagging Nora’ in the UK]
She seems really proud of her name and the job she has
The Epstein Files and Trump Russia Collusion follow the same trajectory. There is nonexistent proof of an official conspiracy and yet the media breathlessly cover every event of non-proof, followed by murmuring that the next non-event will be earth shattering.
Epstein is even worse where both parties have been in power and had access to the files and the media pretend that there couldn’t possibly have been a leak from people who have seen what there is and gone through election cycles.
I really could care less about our dear leaders sexual proclivities. The media spends 10x more energy on this than financial and trade policy.
The ALA / OK game was decent. I thought ALA was done for after the 1st quarter as they were down 17-0 and hadn’t even gotten a first down. Reeling off 27 unanswered points improved their situation.
It will be very interesting to see them play Indiana next week.
Tom,
Ditto on the game! On all counts.
“According to that landmark report (GAO-24-105833), the federal government loses between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud.”
This is a fantastical number. There are only ~150M federal taxpayers. This says that every taxpayer pays ~$2000 every year that goes to fraud.
“For example, Medicare and Medicaid alone account for over $100 billion of the annual improper payment total, meaning about **$610** of your annual tax contribution to those specific programs is lost to errors or fraud.”
This is just plain unacceptable. I know that stopping fraud also costs money but this suggests they aren’t trying very hard. The recent state fraud in Minn. (backed by federal money) had people from other states doing “tourist fraud” because it was so easy. They paid parents kickbacks for bringing in their children for an illegitimate autism diagnosis that they then billed the government for unprovided support.
The covid fraud was off the charts. This is very frustrating.
Like I’ve been saying for months…
“WASHINGTON/PARIS, Dec 19 (Reuters) – U.S. intelligence reports continue to warn that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to capture all of Ukraine and reclaim parts of Europe that belonged to the former Soviet empire, six sources familiar with U.S. intelligence said, even as negotiators seek an end to the war that would leave Russia with far less territory.”
“The U.S. findings have been consistent since Putin launched his full-scale invasion in 2022. They largely align with the views of European leaders and spy agencies that he covets all of Ukraine and territories of former Soviet bloc states, including members of the NATO alliance, according to the sources.”
The borders of the old Soviet Union were geographically very defensible; they were westward of the choke point between the Carpathian Mountains and the Baltic Sea.
Putin will settle for nothing less.
Any negotiated peace at this point would just be a respite for Russia to lick its wounds and rearm.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-indicates-putins-war-aims-ukraine-are-unchanged-2025-12-19/
Tom Scharf,
“The covid fraud was off the charts.”
Yup, many tens of billions stolen. No checking or confirmations, and huge amounts of free money on offer to the unscrupulous.
But even worse: stupid covid policies, which should never have been put in place, did in fact damage businesses. So a program was set up to keep those business afloat, but which also invited fraud. Everything came from foolish, destructive Covid policies. Untold hundreds of billions wasted…… and the virus itself was likely created by even more foolish and destructive policies.
FUBAR, on top of FUBAR, on top of FUBAR.
All you experienced software engineers using AI to be more productive are sentencing recent software grads to get only job offers at Mc Donald’s:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/graduated-stanford-due-ai-cant-120000733.html
Sounds a bit exaggerated to me. Those who have spent their lives being coddled are often shocked when no longer coddled. 😉
There is a new, highly marketable skill set surrounding AI. The entry cost to learn is nearly zero, apart from time and effort.
Mark,
Would a good interview question be “How are you using AI in what you are doing now?”
I don’t know what the kids are doing now that they have to bridge the HR obstacle course to actually talk to someone intelligent. I was lucky and was always able to talk to the “boss” first when I changed jobs. I did pass up some “opportunities” where they insisted all of the recruits be first vetted by HR.
When I had deal with this in hiring, I soon found myself hiring the guys who HR rejected — but then I wanted troublemakers.
I’d ask more specific questions, but sure. 🙂
Good to know HR was always evil.
The judge who helped an illegal alien evade ICE (sending him out a jury door to escape detection) has been convicted of obstruction of Federal law enforcement (a felony) and is subject to up to 5 years in prison, but she’ll more likely get a few months.
The alien in question was facing aggravated assault charges in the judge’s courtroom when the judge heard ICE was waiting outside to arrest him…… she then went completely bonkers.
SteveF,
At least she got something.
I don’t care how much time the miscreant judge spends in prison. She is now a convicted felon. She is not just done as a judge; she is done as a lawyer. That seems enough for one really stupid act. And being on parole will also impact her freedom.
Will she lose her pension? Don’t know. I think a cop would lose his pension for committing a felony while on the job.
Mike M,
I sure hope she is finished as a judge, and as a lawyer. But before I believe that, I want to see some signed paperwork. I think McDonnalds would be an excellent backup retirement plan.
It would be good for her to spend at least a short time in prison, if only to set an example for all the many other miscreant judges who think they are above the law.
Mike M,
I remember Kevin Clinesmith, an FBI lawyer who falsified a CIA document submitted to the FISA Court, designed to mislead the court into granting a continuing warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. Was he sent to prison? No. Was he disbarred? No. Were there any significant consequences? No!!
I hope the crazy judge faces real consequences after her conviction, but I would not take it for granted that she will. It is ‘circle the wagons’ time for the loony left.
For those of us who need our regular Sydney Sweeney fix…
Fox Sports had her introduce their Saturday NFL special by reciting a very fractured version of “Twas the Night Before Christmas.”
https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/2002492738613506515?s=20
Another one of my conspiracy theories, with no factual data to back it up…
The U.S. Coast Guard has seized two more oilers off the coast of Venezuela. My theory is that by cutting off Maduro’s drug and oil money, Trump is trying to oust the dictator without going to war.
SteveF,
Yes, Clinesmith got off easy both at the hands of Judge Boasburg (yes, him) and the bar in DC (one year suspension) and Michigan (two year suspension).
I thought that a felony conviction meant automatic disbarment. That is so in some states, but not in DC, MI, or WI.
Russell,
I don’t think that’s conspiracy theory. I think that’s plainly so.
Mike M,
I doubt the judge will suffer any consequences to speak of; she will be protected by like-minded people in a position to protect her.
Which tells us just how divided the country is on illegal immigration…. and multiple other political questions. I honestly worry for the long term future of the USA.
SteveF wrote: “she will be protected by like-minded people in a position to protect her.”
That might very well happen. But Wisconsin is not DC, so maybe justice will prevail.
Addition – For crying out loud: Dugan is still getting paid $175K/yr of taxpayer money.
That case will get appealed, she may have a friendly appeals court and definitely a friendly SC in WI.
I got my assignments for Christmas dinner. I’m making French bread and English scones, although my daughter-in-law asked for the scones to be chocolate chip, which, strictly speaking, is not English.
The bread dough has just started its two day fermentation in the fridge.
Image:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2002849061532225875?s=20
The Wisconsin Supreme Court will not have a say. It is a federal case.
The appeals court won’t throw out a jury verdict unless there is clear error by the judge favorable to the prosecution…. so unlikely. The presiding judge will give her a hand-slap sentence….. Pending all appeals, she will continue to make $175K.
The Bar will probably give her a hand-slap as well, but not until all appeals are exhausted.
Maybe the Wisconsin legislature will kick her off the bench….. but maybe not.
This is what happens when many people in positions of authority refuse to enforce laws they disagree with. It is jury nullification writ large…… but more destructive.
Lucia,
You and I have discussed the poor quality of music in Catholic churches in America. Recently, I’ve been watching the Sunday Mass live celebrated at St. Peter’s Basilica, primarily in vernacular Italian with some Latin included, and the music is very nice.
If you’re interested in a sample, I believe the following link will open to an Italian hymn from two Sundays ago:
https://www.youtube.com/live/av8sOzsvR6Q?si=GVJrO9tWgTVTHewt
“President Trump will deliver an unspecified announcement on Monday at 4:30 PM EST from Mar-a-Lago, joined by War Secretary Pete Hegseth and Navy Secretary John Phelan.”
I haven’t seen a video like this since early in the war…. a road with a long line of burning Russian armor.
“Russian forces attacked with mechanized and light vehicles, but Ukraine’s 1st Azov Corps, supported by other units, destroyed 24 armored vehicles and dozens of motorcycles/quads in about 100 minutes. Even horses were lost in the fight.”
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2002377987958751566?s=20
Lucia and Russell,
I sang in the choir of the Community Church in Gelnview, Ill off and on for 20 years. In the ’70s we were joined by two Sisters from the local parish who had been sent to see how we ran our choir and I think how singing was part of our services. They sang well, were enthusiastic, and we loved the idea.
Right, federal case, thank you. The judge is probably worried.
I’m sure there are sympathetic federal judges as well but they will need to worry about their own career blowback if they protect their own.
This was a tremendously stupid move by the judge, played right into Trump’s hands. Immigration advocates need to change the law, not defy it. Not a good look.
John,
Sometime in the late ’60s, I think, the Catholic Church switched from Latin Masses and Latin music to English Masses and English music. I can’t even hum, but I did enjoy listening to the Latin music, especially Gregorian chant. When they switched to English, they dropped all the Latin and rushed in guitars and some pretty awful music. Lucia posted a link that explained what happened, but I no longer have it.
In my opinion, the Catholic Church in America has never fully recovered from that mess. It has been refreshing to hear Italian and Latin music from Vatican Masses. I must admit, though, those choirs are not your run-of-the-mill choirs. Did you listen to some of the music I linked above? What did you think of it?
https://www.youtube.com/live/av8sOzsvR6Q?si=GVJrO9tWgTVTHewt
US oil sanctions are starting to hurt Russia’s economy; I’ve seen a number of references to it like this one:
“Russian oil prices continue to plunge under the pressure of U.S. sanctions that have disrupted established export flows to India and China.
The price of Urals crude shipped from the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk fell to $34.52 per barrel as of Dec. 16, roughly half the level at the start of the year, the RBC news website reported, citing data from Argus Media.”
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/12/19/russian-oil-prices-sink-below-35-per-barrel-a91496
I read an interesting article today which pointed out that most people don’t actually think through and decide their personal positions on policy questions, but rather adopt the ‘accepted positions’ of their identity group, without question. If you know a person’s position on, for example, climate change, you can predict with near certainty what they will think on illegal immigration, nuclear power, foreign policy, ‘gender affirmation surgery’, welfare, electric cars, DEI, abortion, ‘voting rights’, birthright citizenship, the legitimacy of the electoral college and of the US Senate, and many more.
One might imagine that abortion and nuclear power are not related policy questions, but the correlation (and predictive capacity) between the two is nearly perfect (and in this case, negatively correlated). Seems to me tribalism at its very worst.
Steve,
I don’t have the bandwidth right now to take up that gage, but is it possible that worldview correlates with philosophical convictions, and that worldview allows one to predict the answer to those questions?
It could be tribalism too. It may (or it may not) amuse you to hear that, to the best of my ability to recall and to the best of my understanding, Joshua would agree with you (tribalism) and disagree with me. 😉 IIRC, further evidence lies in the (alleged or putative) fact that political groups swap positions on issues from time to time. Take conservatives for instance. We used to be free market fundamentalists until Trump.
It could be a mixture of both things, tribalism and philosophical convictions. Actually, it probably is a mixture of these two things and likely several others I’m not considering at all.
These people sat down a group of people in the same room using the Instacart grocery shopping app and they ended up with a bunch of different prices for the same items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osxr7xSxsGo
The online apps / grocery stores are apparently constantly running pricing algorithms such that your bill may vary by a couple percentage points at any time. When asked they were not transparent on what was happening and how they controlled who got what prices.
The take in this video is “capitalist conspiracy” (Lina Khan, ha ha) but it is interesting none the less. Probably closer to a grocery / stock market analogy.
There is a lot going on with tribalism. It is definitely true people tend to hold the same disparate policy views based on red / blue sorting without some grand unifying theory.
Some of it is just that after a tribe is chosen based on things that are personally important they simply adopt other less important tribal positions in order to reduce conflict. As we have seen there are hordes of petty tribal enforcers out there hunting down the non-pure.
Ideological bubbles of information, trusted sources, etc.
mark bofill wrote: “It could be a mixture of both things, tribalism and philosophical convictions. Actually, it probably is a mixture of these two things and likely several others I’m not considering at all.”
No doubt both tribe and philosophy matter. And there is surely quite a bit of correlation between the two. My guess is that tribe becomes more important the less a person knows or has thought about an issue.
Another factor is pragmatism. My guess is that support for Trump’s tariffs is increasing as the predicted horrible consequences fail to materialize. And support should increase more if the tariffs start producing positive results.
I suspect that support in DC for the National Guard on the streets is higher now than just before they were deployed.
People like stuff that works. I’d bet that most people care a lot more about what works (at least when it affects them) than they do about political philosophy. But fewer people will put what what works above tribe, especially if their tribe is Orange Man Bad.
Russell
This was the problem. All the really old stuff was good. But “Eat this body drink this blood, and we’ll sing a song of love, Halleluh. Halleluh. Halleluh. Hallelu-u-ya” was not so great.
If you can’t create a tech industry just use your regulatory authority to abscond their profits.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/apple-hit-with-115m-for-extremely-burdensome-app-store-privacy-policy/
“Apple was hit with a $115 million fine Monday after Italy’s competition authority alleged the tech giant was abusing its dominant position to harm third-party developers in its App Store.”
Elon Musk’s X first to be fined under EU’s Digital Services Act
The biggest changes Musk made to Twitter trigger a $140 million fine under DSA.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/elon-musks-x-first-to-be-fined-under-eus-digital-service-act/
These are just a couple in a constant stream of this BS over the past decade. At least we got an iPhone with a USB port out of it and perhaps they forced RCS adoption in messaging. The US government may need to step in because this is out of control, it is just taxation in disguise. Some of these abuses are legit but the scope of the fines seems excessive.
“The US government may need to step in because this is out of control, it is just taxation in disguise.”
The Trump administration will for certain step in. They could do it quietly…. mention how Germany sure does export a lot of cars to the US market…. or using Trump’s typical bull-in-the-china-shop approach. Either way, those who are confiscating money from US tech firms will get the message and back off. At least until some ‘world-wide-totalitarian’ Democrat like Hillary is elected president.
Mark Bofill,
Sure, sometimes positions evolve; after all, climate wing-nut Bill Gates backed off his end of the world rhetoric. But it is uncommon. (Maybe Gates finally, decades late, realized his hysterical rhetoric was causing more harm than good!)
When this sort of thing happens, the rest of the tribe always turns on the apostate as surely as any good Muslim would turn on an apostate. Which points out, I guess, how “packaged belief systems” often resemble religious conviction.
Have strident tribal politics supplanted religion for many? I suspect so.
Mike M,
I agree that the less somebody knows, the more likely they are to adopt beliefs favored by their ‘tribe’. I mean, how many sophomores studying intersectional race theory really know enough about nuclear power to hold a rational, defensible opposition? I suggest the number is close to zero. Parroting the tribe’s position is easy, and safe.
One of the terrible things about ‘tribal’ beliefs is that violating the norms of the tribe is a very scary prospect; convincing someone they are factually mistaken about what the ‘tribe’ believes becomes essentially impossible.
Steve,
You might be on to something there. It’s hard for me to be confident I can quickly and casually assess the complete complex ‘shape’ religion assumes in different people’s lives to evaluate how well politics might replace it, but at least in some ways what you are saying seems intuitive.
Mike,
I agree with your observations.
Bill Gate’s reversal and AI’s requirements for ginormous amounts of power may be correlated for a reason.
“Trump unveils new class of warship named after himself”
…. And it’s going to have escalators instead of ladders and all the fixtures will be gold plated.
Seriously though, I think this is a mistake. He wants big battleships in an era when tiny drones are wreaking havoc in the air and on the sea.
This is Trump’s justification for his TRUMP battleship plan:
“America’s battleships have always been unmistakable symbols of national power. They’ll help maintain American military supremacy, revive the American shipbuilding industry, & inspire fear in America’s enemies all over the world.”
look at the reasons to justify building these…
Symbols of national power
Revived the ship building industry
Inspire fear
….. nowhere does it say “win battles”!
Russell,
Yeah. I’m not sure what the use case would be for such a ship. Target practice, perhaps…
Gemini tells me the Marines have been complaining about the retirement of battleships since the 90s.
Shrug.
On the Ukraine Russian war negotiations….
The current battle line lies along eastern Ukraine, which is near the midpoint of the North European Plain. A cease-fire line through eastern Ukraine leaves both sides vulnerable to attack.
The North European Plain has been a channel of invasion for centuries. Russia needs to be sure that Europe can’t use it to rush its tanks across the plain into Russia conversely, Europe needs to be sure that Russia can’t rush its tanks across the plain into Europe.
So security guarantees are the name of the game in negotiations right now. Europe is hellbent on providing Ukraine with security guarantees that would protect Ukraine and Europe against Russian invasion. I see no way to give Russia security guarantees in any agreement, so the stalemate will continue.
The geography of the flat expanse of the North European Plain, from Grok:
East–West extent
2,500 miles
(Northern France ? western Russia)
North–South extent
400–500 miles
(North Sea/Baltic coast ? Central European uplands)
Total area
1.6 to 1.8 million square miles
For comparison, that’s about half the size of the contiguous United States.
Mark, Your post:
“Gemini tells me the Marines have been complaining about the retirement of battleships since the 90s.”
Tell the Marines war has changed a lot since the 1990s…. And it’s been three quarters of a century since they needed firepower before a landing.
Trump’s relentless marketing gets on my nerves. I mean “Trump class battleships” and “Golden Fleet”? Really? OTOH, like most of Trump’s annoying stuff, it really does not matter.
As Russell and Mark say, the real issue is whether battleships are really a good idea in the 21st century. I thought they were obsolete, but technological advances can counter new threats as well as creating new threats. So maybe not. The Hegseth DoW is supposedly all in on drones, so it is not like they are stuck in the past.
I would be much more worried if we had a military-industrial complex that treated defense spending as a way to make money off the taxpayer rather than providing for national defense.
Oh. Wait …
A lot of Navy ships are mostly missile carriers now. The big innovation was a standardized launch tube that gets continuously upgraded with new stuff. A container ship for missiles. Some recent designs on the board have a ship basically tow a missile barge or the missile barge can move autonomously.
I’m a bit suspect of the US Navy’s survivability against a full out attack from China. 200 missiles at a time? 2000 missiles? I’m guessing they will not get too close to the shore in a Taiwan engagement. One thing for sure is it probably will be a crazy first day in an all out war there.
However for the current use of low end engagements against lesser foes it is a great tool.
Don’t forget the submarines. I believe the US still has a distinct advantage here.
In defense of the need for Naval Surface Fire Support: Yes, the war in Ukraine has taught us that warfare has changed. But it has also taught us that artillery still matters. A lot. That is in contrast to NATO doctrine of the last few decades. So maybe there is still a need for battleships.
Mike,
Again, I agree. Maybe the more general lesson that Ukraine teaches us is that cheap weapons in bulk have value, and in attrition situations the missiles run out fast.
Obviously the battleships won’t be cheap or in bulk, but the artillery shells they will fire will be, relatively speaking.
FWIW, I thought I read these things would also hold a goodly supply of missiles as well. Shrug.
it’s another BBB…
Big Beautiful Battleship
Pricing:
Guy walks into a camera store in Tokyo and wants best price on Nikon F. He gets one and then says he’s going to check around. He’s back an hour later and asks for the Nikon at the price quoted.
Shop owner now quotes new price. Why?
“You’re back so my price must have been lowest but that was then and now I know I can charge more.”
Our experience with cost of a specific airline flight is that it will never be as low as the first time you check, unless you take a chance that seats will be available day before.
When we were selling Sun Microsystems Equipment in Miami, we sold a fairly large (for the time) system to Royal Carribean Cruise Lines. They had hired guys from American Airlines to set up a “Yield Management” system which would track reservations starting a year in advance of a cruise and then compare sales to previous experience, sales on other similar cruises etc. The cost variable in addition to price of a cruise was the amount of promotion needed to increase “Yield”
I learned a lot from this. You can really sell a lot of cruises in Omaha in January, for some reason.
Then there’s the shirts. One of Jan’s uber-liberal, nay communist, classmates used to bitch that women paid almost 50% more for a shirt then men. I was ready for this having dated a woman who ran the “returns” department at the big department store. It’s simple, she said, “men never return shirts, women do all the time”.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find that the shoppers who got different prices in the example above break down into price-checkers and people who just pay what’s asked. Sellers know who doesn’t care enough about what something costs and will pay the first number presented.
Lastly, I buy a whole lot of stuff from Amazon, even salami, chili, but mostly tools. I just got a filament drier for one of my printers. There were six of the same machine on offer at the top of the Amazon page, with $119 for four of them with vaying delivery dates inlcuding overnight- same price, but then there were a couple for $138 and one for $168 with no detectable difference in the deal. I have no idea why they do this.
mark bofill wrote: “cheap weapons in bulk have value”.
Yep. Stalin called artillery “the god of war”. He also said that “quantity has a quality all its own”. There is a lot of truth in that.
But I also am under the impression that the new battleships will be mainly missile launchers. So maybe they are not about Naval Surface Fire Support. And maybe they are about the military-industrial complex bleeding the taxpayers.
Hiding the pill in the cat’s food.
In a Vanity Fair interview, Wiles said of Trump and the Epstein materials: “[Trump] is in the file. And we know he’s in the file. And he’s not in the file doing anything awful.”
Here’s what was going on . First, of course, wiles knew everything she said except for a couple of things agreed upon to be off the record, would be on the record.
She then shared all manner of not so nice things about her current situation and the players in it.
But nothing reaally terrible. Now if she’d had Steven Miller singing Mairzy Doats in the shower, maybe that would have meant something, but no, not even that.
All of this was the cat food to establish credibility. Obviously she wanted to be trusted by the public to call a spade a spade, or at least some sort of excavation device.
So having demonstrated her reliability, she opines the above statement that there is nothing in the files (all hundreds of thousands of them) that shows that Trump did anything really bad. But then there was the crack that amounted to “boys will be boys.”
And of course some people, including the sceptics will chomp down on the “nothing really bad” pill because all the rest of thee cat food seemed legit.
Oh, come on.
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John,
I might buy that. The question remains though, if “nothing really bad” isn’t justified, if this whole thing is a cover for “something really bad”, why didn’t Biden’s administration make use of it against Trump?
Hint: Superior moral fiber is not an acceptable answer to this question…
My answer — that Biden didn’t use this to torpedo Trump is all the evidence I require that Trump cannot in fact *be* torpedoed via Epstein, e.g., there is “nothing really bad” in there with respect to Trump.
Strangely enough, we all pretty much know going in more than we ever wanted to know about Trump’s sex life via Stormy Daniels. I doubt he likes his women young, but it’s not virtue, it’s just not his particular brand of perversion. None of this really has much of anything to do with anything. Bill “I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton was a relatively good president regardless of the fact that he didn’t seem able to keep it in his pants, and regardless of the fact that he seems abundantly present in Epstein Pleasure Island photography.
Mark,
Why not Biden? Clinton.
Why would you expect Biden to suddenly do anything intelligent.
or for that matter for Suzie Wiles to suddenly do somthing stupid?
John,
I don’t credit the absurd rumors and conspiracy theories that have been floating around for years that Hillary was having people assassinated. Given that, I doubt Biden gave a hoot what releasing information would do to the Clintons.
Biden was senile in the end, but his handlers were not, and IMO they would not have passed on the opportunity to destroy a political opponent. They were highly motivated IMO to stop Trump by whatever means were available.
Until the DOJ releases photos of Trump misbehaving with an underage girl, progressives will say that the DOJ is hiding evidence. There is nothing else that will put this to rest other than the DOJ crucifying Trump.
The French bread for Christmas just came out of the oven. The aroma is incredible.
image:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2003524471312023603?s=46&t=ZvqHpxBnQGny72gLoGhKXw
Mark,
With SteveF, I “loathe” Hillary and also don’t believe the nonsense about her “assasinations”
Since it appears that many of the Epstein’ clients were “important” Democrats, I don’t find it at all strange that Biden, or his associates would have let sleeping dogs lie. At this point we can only rely on the list compiled by the guy who phoned every single number on Epstein’s phone list.
I stand by my theory that the Suzie Wiles interivews were not business as usual from the Trump point of view. It’s a very clever scheme. I’d love to know whothught of it. Maybe Suzie herself?
Trump cut ties with Epstein over 20 years ago, well before Epstein got in trouble with the law. There is no reason to believe that Trump did anything improper. The absence of evidence is strong evidence to the contrary.
Actually, there is no reason to believe that anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell committed crimes. There is no evidence that Epstein shared with his friends and again the absence of evidence is evidence to the contrary.
There may be evidence that some people continued to associate with Epstein after he was a convicted slimemball. Nothing criminal, but that will deservedly damage reputations.
Since Wiles sat for multiple sessions with Vanity Fair, I don’t see how it could have been a mistake. There must have been some purpose to it, but I can’t see it.
That said, John Ferguson’s conspiracy theory is just bonkers.
They could have just revealed stuff on Trump and redacted everything else. Nobody would have blinked at the redactions.
The second half of my Christmas lunch assignment, chocolate chip drop scones
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https://x.com/rklier21/status/2003542875385339958?s=20
Mike M.
Did I suggest that the Wiles/Vanity Fair interviews were a mistake? They had to be intentional and if so why were they done? I can’t imagine that it was done without Trump’s permission and it’s clear from the photographs that the staff knw about it. So why?
You write about evidence, but how can you have any idea what evidence exists or doesn’t? Sure, a lot of this is pretty evident, but at this point we don’t really have much of the story. Do you think we do?
“Bonkers” that it may be, I’m sticking with my pill in the catfood theory.
There’s also merit in the “Briar Patch” theory where Trump is appearing to fight this thing tooth and nail so he can see, “See, I told you this was nonsense.” Although that doesn’t seem to square with all his “requests” that they become public.
For those who never read “Brer Rabbit” the idea is that the Rabbit has been caught by the fox and screams “You can do anything you want with me, but don’t throw me in the briar Patch!” Which is exactly what he hopes the Fox will do. And he does.
John,
FWIW, I don’t think your ‘conspiracy theory’ is bonkers. I just (a) think it’s wrong, and (b) don’t think I’d much care if it were true.
I think by Occam’s razor, the simplest explanation is most likely true. Biden didn’t release any information implicating Trump because there isn’t any. As mentioned previously, I fail to see why Team Biden couldn’t have redacted what they want hidden and released only information incriminating Trump, if they had such information.
But I will just go ahead and say this. If it turned out to be the case that Trump banged some teeny bopper on Lolita Island, I don’t care at this point. I care exactly as much about that as I do about finding out if Clinton did it and bringing Clinton to justice. Zero!
Mark,
I think your view of why Biden didn’t do anything is the most likely.
I doubt if any politician could survive compelling evidence that he’d fooled around with under-age girls. As to what Epstein was doing, it’s hard to imagine that there aren’t dozens of guys who did that withe the many girls he appears to have employed. There are also reports that he’d had a lot of this videotaped.
But we still need a reason for the Vanity Fair interviews. Apparently when there’s a change in administration, there is a party with the new Chief of Staff and as many previous chiefs as want to come, and apparently when it was Suzie’s turn, a half dozen of them did. And she was advised whatever she did not to talk to Whipple. And then she did.
Another take on this would be that Trump thought this was a good way to be “transparent” and that of his staff members, she was one who wouldn’t say anything stupid. And she didn’t.
She got played. It’s not that mysterious. It happens. She became a little too full of herself and exercised poor judgment.
Also John,
I know. I ‘get’ that the only reason Democrats are interested in this is that they think (STILL) that they are going to remove Trump from office, notwithstanding all of the pious words we hear when convenient about how Democracy must be preserved at all costs.
Knock yourselves out.
mark,
“too full of herself” is a more likely reason, although Trump did have to go along with it.
john ferguson,
Maybe I misunderstand you. Your theory seems to be this:
(1) Various “news” organizations are willing to spend hundreds (or thousands) of staff hours going through the Epstein files hoping to find something they can use against Trump. That much makes sense.
(2) If Wiles says that there is nothing there and also says some stuff that seems true, then those news organizations will decide that going through he files is a waste of time and won’t bother. That part is bonkers.
What am I missing?
john ferguson wrote: ” As to what Epstein was doing, it’s hard to imagine that there aren’t dozens of guys who did that withe the many girls he appears to have employed.”
If so, they why have we heard no names? Many of the victims keep demanding a list be released and threatening to compile their own list. But they have not done so. Why? Because the list would have zero names on it other than Jeffry Epstain.
Russell Klier wrote: “Until the DOJ releases photos of Trump misbehaving with an underage girl, progressives will say that the DOJ is hiding evidence.”
That is what is really going on.
There are 3 reasons to believe that the Epstein files are just a media mirage.
1. Trump
2. Russia
3. Collusion
Fool me once …
If the Democrats had dirt on Trump they would have leaked it before the election, you know, the election that would define the future of democracy, and the one where they pulled out all stops in a by any means necessary lawfare campaign. Yeah, they would have withheld this because of their morals, LOL.
This entire exercise of guilt by association and guilt by mere accusation is why the justice department doesn’t normally release this kind of stuff. It’s unethical. If you can’t charge somebody, then you shouldn’t release the info.
Witnesses and victims are free to go public. What you don’t do is give false credibility to an accusation by attaching it to the justice department.
The Delaware Supreme Court overruled the crazy judges who withheld Musk’s $50B pay package. It is now worth $139B.
The company Trump Media announced this Thursday its merger with TAE Technologies, a firm specializing in nuclear fusion energy, in a deal valued at more than $6 billion.
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Were we wrong?
Is it a giant boondoggle?
A bubble waiting to burst.
Good questions John. I thought the technology was dead a long time ago.
Mike M.
Your theory that the Wiles assertion was aimed at the news media is a good one, but it’s not mine. I hadn’t thought of it. I had thought it was aimed at the general public. After all, the media has lost a lot of credibilitym over the last 30 years and if the public can be convinced that Trump did nothing really terrible, maybe anything the media reveals will be ignored.
Maybe Trump/Wiles were thinking something like that.
And, yes, I’m way out in the weeds on this one.
Mike M.
Heard no names? Summers, Clinton, Wexner, Minsky, Gates, on and on.
What we haven’t seen is any evidence or even assertion that they did anything naughty.
What I’m looking forward to is the release, if it ever happens, of Epstein’s banking records. That would reveal whether he was running a blackmail operation as is alledged, or just an effective investor.
Mike M,
“Because the list would have zero names on it other than Jeffry Epstain.”
I doubt that. Bill Clinton and (former) Prince Andrew would almost certainly appear as well.
But in fairness to those two (and no doubt others), they could credibly deny knowing a specific woman was under age. Like Mark Bofill, I will stipulate that Clinton was (and no doubt is still!) capable of most any misdeed with his pants off, but was still a pretty good president, and far more competent than Carter, Bush the younger, Biden, and Obama.
BTW, I think the accepted name is “Epstein’s Lolita Island”. 😉
john ferguson wrote: “if the public can be convinced that Trump did nothing really terrible, maybe anything the media reveals will be ignored. ”
OK, that is not bonkers. But I think it totally unrealistic. Most of the public is unaware of what is in the Vanity Fair hit piece unless it is one of the morsels being trumpeted. I don’t think the Wiles claim about the Epstein files has been one of those morsels. But even if it was getting attention, I doubt it would matter. Half the public already believes Trump did nothing wrong and the other half won’t believe it, no matter what Wiles says.
john ferguson wrote: “What we haven’t seen is any evidence or even assertion that they did anything naughty.”
That is what I said. We have no names of anyone other than Epstein who was involved with his underage girls. Of course, we have lots of names of people who were friendly with Epstein. But that is different from what is being claimed.
I doubt that Epstein’s bank records will provide any evidence of blackmail. In the unlikely event such payments ere made, they would have been in cash and suitably laundered,
angech,
“Is it a giant boondoggle?
A bubble waiting to burst.”
Yes to the first. Especially to any extent taxpayers get involved. The fusion technology that company proposes is so far out there that commercialization is way out of reach…. certainly now and likely forever. I think of it as mainly a way to extract investments from extremely wealthy people who can afford to bet on a <1% chance of ever getting a return.
Fission is easy. Fusion is a thousand (million?) times more difficult. The technology of fusion is very hard, and the economics even harder. I suspect nobody commenting here will live to see commercial fusion power, and certainly not fusion power which justifies the required investment.
Bubble? Don't think so. A "bubble" requires widespread imprudent investment in something that is real (the internet bubble, the 2007 housing bubble, the tulip bubble, etc). Fusion investment is just not that widespread. And it is a lot less 'real' than tulips.
Mike M.
At the same time we apparently do have evidence that Epstein was “marshalling” dozens of young girls through both his NY Manse and Lolita Island. It also appears from the internal DOJ documents released in the lastr few days, that DOJ during the twilifght of the Biden regime were pursuing prosecution of other “co-conspirators” , an interesting term. Ghislaine apparently had helpers, but the addressees of the papers the DOJ served and tried to serve would seem to have been more “clients” of this enterprise.
I think I concur with you that nothing is likely to come of any of this, unless Epstein’s estate opens up with stuff DOJ hasn’t seen. And I think that unlikely as well.
As to Fusion Generation:
https://engage.aps.org/fps/resources/newsletters/newsletter-archives/january-2025#fusion
Steve,
Commercial fusion is like Santa Claus in that I really want it to be real, but with the added twist to the knife that it *could* and *probably will* be real someday.
As you say, likely not within our lifetimes. I don’t believe we’re past practical break even in the lab, and until we get there there won’t be successful commercial installations.
30 years from today, forever..
john ferguson,
Thanks for the link to that article.
What I find most strange is the apparent gullibility of elected officials, who seem incapable of separating plausible claims about fusion power from utter lunacy. And it is not just in fusion power; boondoggles seem linked at the hip to any form of impractically expensive energy production. Of course, it may be that politicians can never turn down a good boondoggle.
The Ivanpah solar facility was underwritten by (can you guess?) the federal taxpayer: “The United States government provided a $1.6 billion loan guarantee and the plant is built on federal land.” This in spite of any half competent student in an introductory thermodynamics class being able to show that the entire idea was crazy. The good news: the plant is being shut down because it constantly loses money. The bad news: the same location is planned to be converted to another boondoggle, using standard solar panels, for which I am quite certain the taxpayers (and electricity consumers) will be on the hook.
SteveF,
One of Jassby’s earlier paper itemizes the (known at the time) challenges which had to be overcome to make one of these things work. I cannot be sure if he’d gone into detail about being skeptical of the cost/kilowatt hour of any system which required tritium.
So far, no system which showed a net gain for even a micro-second included the energy costs of making the fuel, and any number of other things.
One of the things which I worry about is that despite having a number of very bright techincal people in Congress, like IMO Mark Warner, these things go on and on.
Maybe it’s where no-one wants to be the guy who said “Man will never fly”
The real-world cost for a stand-alone residential solar system (including batteries!) seems roughly equivalent to utility power at about $0.30 per KWH. Which means there are some places where “completely off-grid” solar is becoming competitive with utility power. (Florida is not one of those places.)
Where residential solar starts to make economic sense is almost only where state governments have raised consumer electric rates to support solar and wind generation. I guess that is not too much of a surprise.
Solar panels are cheap, but the installation racks / mounts, inverters, etc. about double the install material cost. Depending on where you live and your level of expertise you can do DIY but it turns out there is a bit of a regulatory maze to connect to the grid as the utility company requires drawings to be signed off by a professional engineer and also a $1M residential umbrella insurance policy to protect their workers.
Because of this complexity some people hire professional installers that double the cost again. The solar installation industry is full of shysters (they REALLY want to sell you a crappy lease) and bankruptcy is common making warranties worthless.
Want to install a new roof? The cost to remove and reinstall the panels is pretty high if not DIY. So you pull the trigger for solar when you put on a new roof.
Technically in Florida the mounts need to have a wind pressure rating. The HOA can make “reasonable” restrictions but cannot tell you you can’t install.
If you want to really go off grid then the battery storage cost is high if you don’t want to deal with occasional outages with cloudy weather.
Selling the power back to the utility is threatened by the utilities wanting to credit you wholesale power rates instead of retail rates. They also now charge a minimum base rate ($30 / month where I live).
A lightning strike can cost you thousands that the power company fixes for free.
Those are most of the hidden costs but given all those it is still almost viable for a hobbyist if you like the science project part of it. The true cost calculation needs to include the investment opportunity cost of the solar investment.
My final conclusion was not yet worth it but close enough that if you are doing it for fun then it will likely at least be break even.
Tom Scharf,
The DIY cost is equivalent to more like $0.15 per KWH…. so still not worth it for me (close to the ultimate DIYer!). But if you are a DYIer in S. California, and are willing to cut the utility cord, stand-alone solar is much cheaper than insane California utility rates, which will only become more insane as the People’s Republic continues to insist nuclear and natural gas generation are as bad as Donald Trump.
I should have noted above: the Ivanpah solar generation station loses money at $0.21 per KWH guaranteed purchase price, which gives us some idea just how economically stupid the entire project was. The fully loaded cost to generate power with natural gas is in the range of $0.05 per KWH, and nuclear is in the range of $0.10 per KWH. Stopping green madness is really important for all of humanity, but especially for the poorest of the poor in Africa.
California has gone completely off the rails. New laws kicking in are forcing major oil companies to flee the state. One of them is writing off a $3B investment to flee.
Over the next several months California looses 20% of its refinery output to closures. Combined with hundreds of independent gas stations closing after January 1 due to not being able to upgrade their single wall tanks to double wall, price at the pump will skyrocket.
Leaving the state is not a viable solution due to family. I soooo look forward to the long lines at the few stations that have fuel. I have such fond memories of the same situation in the 1970’s.
Ed Forbes,
You are always free to leave. 😉
I’ll know California has a future when people with pitch forks are storming the governor’s mansion. Until then, no real future.
Random thoughts from Christmas Eve…
It doesn’t feel like Christmas in Florida. It’s 78°F on my porch, and I have the house wide open. I was in the pool earlier—it was refreshing, but not painfully cold.
I bought myself a Christmas present: a blue checkmark on X.
I snagged a 40% off deal, so it cost just $50 for the year. It also gives me Premium-level access on Grok as an added bonus.
Thanks Steve F and JF re comment and article on nuclear fusion.
Interesting to see Trump being sold a wheeze instead of selling a wheeze. Losing his touch?
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Deep state has some wins recently.
Need clarity on the tariffs and a Putin concession as my New Year gifts.
Might be waiting a while
Happy Xmas all
I wish everyone a very merry Christmas eve!
John Ferguson,
“One of the things which I worry about is that despite having a number of very bright techincal people in Congress,”
Either 1) they are not that bright, or
2) no politician can turn down a good boondoggle.
I went to the twins house and drank too much! Merry X-mas!
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night….. I lost a night’s sleep with an overnight flight.
Merry Christmas!
Money wars, DNC vs RNC….
Current Cash on Hand and Debt Levels
As of late 2025 (most recent reports from October/November 2025 FEC filings):
• RNC:
• Cash on hand: Approximately $86–91 million (e.g., $86 million at end of September, rising to $91.2 million entering November).
• Debt: $0 (no reported debts).
• DNC:
• Cash on hand: Approximately $18.3 million (entering November).
• Debt: $15 million (from a line of credit/loan taken in October 2025 to cover operations and investments in down-ballot races).
• Effective net cash (after debt): Around $3 million.
Fundraising (Income/Receipts) in 2025
As of the latest available data from mid-to-late 2025 (primarily through October/November filings and reports):
• The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly outpaced the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in fundraising.
• Through the first half of 2025 (January–June), the RNC raised over $96 million, while the DNC raised about $69 million.
• Broader party committees (including congressional arms): Republicans raised a cumulative $319 million (as of October 31, 2025), compared to Democrats’ $289 million.
All Data from Grok
Merry Christmas to each of you, To Lucia for hosting these wonderful discussions, for everyone’s patience with my digital dyslexia, and for the effort you put into showing me where I’ve got it wrong.
john
St Petersburg, the mostly warm one
hilariousJoan Rivers on being a Jew at Christmas
https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/2004009985429356983?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
The Ukrainians didn’t take Christmas off, they destroyed a Russian LNG port facility. I have posted a copy of the NASA fire map of the area and Google aerial map from before the attack:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2004219260487586074?s=20
“Ukrainian UAVs struck the LNG port of Temryuk, Krasnodar region, in Russia last night. NASA Firms maps confirm that a huge fire is raging at the port facilities.
The port is the primary terminal for LNG transfer in Southern Russia.”
Merry Christmas to All! Another year marginally smarter and more marginally dumber.
John,
Likewise!
Court dockets and archived complaint text show a 2016 civil case brought by a plaintiff using the name Katie Johnson (and sometimes “Jane Doe”) accusing Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump of raping a 13?year?old in 1994; the complaint and related documents include sworn statements and an asserted corroborating witness identified in the filings as “Tiffany Doe” [6] [2]. The docket entries and downloads of the complaint are publicly accessible through legal?document sites such as CourtListener and archive repositories [6] [2].
According to reporting that summarized the filings, the complaint alleged Epstein raped the girl and forced her to have sex with Trump on multiple occasions in New York and Florida; the complaint cited testimony from an anonymous witness who, the filing said, corroborated the allegations [3] [1]
PBS recapped multiple assault allegations against Trump and explicitly connected “Jane Doe” to the Katie Johnson name used in papers, noting the suit was filed and later dropped.
Available sources do not offer court judgments finding the factual allegations in the Johnson complaint to be true or false; they show filings, assertions of witness testimony, and journalistic efforts to corroborate or question aspects of the narrative, but no public criminal conviction or definitive adjudication tied to the Katie Johnson complaint is contained in these documents [6] [2] [3].
https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/katie-johnson-testimony-explained-69461e
Large cash settlement, NDA.
Thomas, do you know what PBS refers to in the above post?
Thomas,
YOUR POST IS HOGWASH.
It is a regurgitation of a hoax that surfaced in the 2016 presidential campaign.
I expect better from you.
Grok:
“In summary, while the lawsuits were real and generated significant media attention during the 2016 election, they were never substantiated, and the story is widely viewed as lacking credible support.”
Thomas Fuller,
Credible evidence of statutory rape (13 YO?!?!) would always lead to charges. Did you know Hillary ran a child abuse ring from a pizza restaurant.
Russell Klier wrote: “It is a regurgitation of a hoax that surfaced in the 2016 presidential campaign.”
That sounds right. The statute of limitations for a civil case would have been long expired in 2016. But a criminal case could still go forward since NY has no statute of limitations on rape. So why did they file a pointless civil suit rather than make a criminal complaint? No doubt because the purpose was publicity and false criminal complaints have real penalties.
For John and us other materials science geeks…
A recent article in Nature details new findings on the chemical make up of Roman concrete and why it lasted so long.
I had Grok summarize the self healing property:
“Self-Healing Process”
When cracks form (due to stress, earthquakes, or weathering):
1. Cracks preferentially travel through these brittle lime clasts (due to their nanoparticulate structure and high surface area).
2. Water ingress dissolves calcium from the exposed clasts, creating a calcium-saturated solution.
3. This solution reacts with atmospheric CO? or pozzolanic materials, precipitating calcium carbonate (calcite or aragonite) and sometimes amorphous C-A-S-H phases.
4. These minerals recrystallize, filling cracks and pores—effectively sealing them and restoring structural integrity.
The link to the original Nature article:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-66634-7
An unfinished Pompeian construction site reveals ancient Roman building technology
Believe anything negative about Trump? Completely absent evidence? I must conclude Mr. Fuller has totally lost it. YMMV.
Mike M.
Without offering any opinion on the validity of the suit on my part:
?
It looks like the Child Victims Act went into effect in 2019, so not relevant to the 2016 accusations.
good catch MIke M.
Used AI again to write a stand alone database upgrade utility for a client. It reduced my overall effort by probably 75%. Should I bill my client for AI’s time? Ha ha.
It needed a few further prompts to get it close to releasable before the human took over but telling it exactly what you want with specificity looks to be the number one skill here.
The AI code filled in some gaps without asking based on some database field names which was both amazing and distressing (please ask for guidance, AI!). There were a few things I had to adjust that would have taken too much effort to explain so I just filled in the gaps.
You realistically have to review every line of code at this point so you also need to skill of reading other people’s code. The AI hasn’t tried to be overly clever yet thankfully.
Most useful programming tool since about … forever. Watching it do this is what flipped me away from AI skepticism.
Ahhh… billable hours! 🙂
Of course, what you “should” do depends on your contract. But if this is consistent, you might need to change how you bill. 🙂
Today’s winner of bureaucratic hilarity:
California drops lawsuit over Trump decision to pull $4 billion in high-speed rail funds
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-drops-lawsuit-challenging-trump-decision-pull-4-billion-high-speed-2025-12-27/
And that is just for a segment that doesn’t connect population centers. CA is likely just waiting for a Democrat administration to restore their wasteful ways.
In the Bahamas for a few days….. an island where we often docked our boat for a night or two (a marina/resort on Green Turtle Cay).
While in the past we would worry about an available slip for our boat, this year the place is essentially empty…..
Why? Because the Bahamian government thought it would be a good idea to boost entry fees for any non-Bahamian vessel. What used to cost under $300 in 2024 is now $1650 (including the right to fish and anchor). While you could re-enter in the past within a year for the same fee, you must now pay an added $650 for the right to anchor and fish with each entry.
The Bahamian economy depends on tourism, and especially boat tourism away from the few big airline supported tourism cities. The government has strangled the economy for every smaller town in the Bahamas. Crazy.
Tom Scharf,
“And that is just for a segment that doesn’t connect population centers.”
The Florida “Brightline” “high speed” service between Miami and Orlando is losing a huge amount of money every month. Why? Because it is stupid. Its service is neither wanted nor needed. You can rent a car at Miami airport and drive 4- 6 people to Orlando in about the same time and for lower cost than the Brightline service. If you rent a car, then when you get to Orlando, you have a car available…. kind of important if you know Orlando.
Brightline will eventually fold, something I have predicted from the day it was proposed. At least it wasted private funds instead of taxpayer funds.
Tom Scharf,
There are no pictures on the scorecard. If the code works, then it is useful code.
Of course, the widespread availability of AI assistance will likely reduce the cost of coding in the long term. But make hay while the sun shines.
Heck, soon you may not be needed at all! 😉
Ukraine’s F-16s are finally becoming a force to reckon with:
“Ukraine’s F-16s just shot down 34 of 35 Russian cruise missiles in a single night.
The secret might be new Sniper targeting pods—they let pilots hunt missiles on infrared without giving away their position.”
I have had “shelter in place” supplies for my CA home for years now due to the real possibility of both short and long term electricity shortages from CA’s insane infrastructure rules.
I have started on my “git out of Dodge” supplies to be able to relocate into New Mexico without refueling, about 1000 miles.
Nevada and Arizona get a major portion of their fuel from CA, so they will be worse off than CA when fuel supplies become restricted due to refinery shutdowns.
This planning is for worse case only. If it is only long gas lines, $8 gas, and rationing, I will sit tight. At one time, I would have considered the above to be “worse case”. Amazing how CA dreaming has changed.
Ed Forbes,
You might want to rethink your plan. Back in 2019, the Energy Transition Act became law in New Mexico. 50% “renewables” by 2030, 80% by 2040, 100% by 2045.
The one bright spot is that New Mexico has a lot fewer rich people than California. So I am hoping that New Mexicans will revolt (at the ballot box, of course) once the nonsense really starts to bite.
Mike,
NM is the end point for me to get to an area that is out of the west coast negative fuel supply bubble. Its not the end point of my possible escape from California. I have NO intention of moving to NM.. TX is at the top of my list if forced to relocate.
There has been a KC-135 Stratotanker on station south of Mar-a-Lago every time I checked for the past day or so. I don’t think it’s just because of Trump because he’s often there, but the Stratotanker is not.
I can think of two possibilities… Perhaps there is added fighter protection in the area because of Zelenskyy flying in, or perhaps it has something to do with the operation in the Caribbean.
Screenshot: https://x.com/rklier21/status/2005246122307277103?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
I don’t know if you remember, but I had mentioned in the past about the buildup of KC-135 Stratotankers at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa.
I just checked again. OSINT is reporting that 28 Stratotankers are on the ground, and now there are also two AWACS aircraft.
Image:
https://x.com/globaltechtonic/status/2004687764512805245?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Mike M,
I remain amazed that New Mexico is so far loony-left. How did that come about? Why does it seem immune to political changes in the direction of sanity?
of course it could be a coincidence, but Zelinsky‘s plane arrived in Miami a few minutes ago and the USAF tanker has left the area.
Russell,
Assuming that 14 KC-135s are dispatched, do you have any idea what might be the numbers and possibly types of aircraft they could service?
If this is about Venezuela, it’s difficult to imagine what that number of planes could do.
Also, do you haver any udea what the numbers are in the AF inventory for more modern tankers compared to these antiques?
Maybe we’re going into Nigeria.
SteveF,
Prior to 2018, NM was a Democrat leaning state. From 2018 on, it has been deep blue. I have never seen an explanation of just what happened. But I have a suspicion and did a quick check of gubernatorial results for this century.
The columns below are:
Year
Party that won the election
Number of votes received by the Republican candidate
Percentage of votes received by the Republican candidate
2002 D 189K 39%
2006 D 174K 31%
2010 R 321K 53%
2014 R 293K 57%
2018 D 298K 43% Huge change.
2022 D 325K 46%
Prior to 2018, 300K votes for governor meant you won easily.
Starting with 2018, 300K votes for governor meant you lost badly.
So what happened? 2018 was the first election after Maggie Toulouse Oliver became Secretary of State. Toulouse Oliver is a nakedly political creature in the office that controls elections in the state. She has made “reforms” that make it much easier to register voters and much easier to cast ballots; both without much in the way of security.
I can’t prove it, but I suspect that the result has been a lot more illegals voting and a lot of ballot box stuffing.
Of course, 2018 was also the first election after Trump got elected. And in general the Dems have gotten very good at turning out voters, or at least ballots. What is needed is a comparison with states that actually have good election security.
John,
All good questions! I had to ask Grok for help on this one.
The phase-out of the KC-135 Stratotanker is going to be a slow process, and they will remain in service through the mid-2030s. They are still the workhorse of the USAF tanker corps. I see them deployed every time the U.S. military starts dancing.
My own guess as to why there are so many at Tampa right now…
I think it’s related to Venezuela. When they deploy, they almost always operate in groups of two or three. They remain on station for about eight hours and are then replaced with two or three more. That would suggest maybe nine in a daily rotation for a single mission. If they have multiple missions, it could well be 18.
if there’s active fighting, the tankers would be there, and they would also be deployed for refueling the C-17s carrying in the munitions
Trump just posted a graphic of the BBB… big beautiful ballroom.
It’s enormous …. it’s bigger than the White House.
https://x.com/trumpdailyposts/status/2005303832478470268?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
I can’t tell how much of it is ballroom vs other stuff. I’m on record that as long as this is happening, I want a huge ballroom, not just a huge building. Dance, Dance. Dance.
Lucia,
Based on drawings, it looks like the entire upper floor is a giant ball-room-banquet-hall. The lower floor is other things, including kitchen areas.
Of course, Trump seems as likely to use it for a cage fight as a ballroom dance competition. 😉
Mike M,
Having the governor’s election in non-presidential years automatically helps Dems, who, as you say, have historically had stronger get-out-the-vote efforts in mid-term elections.
One of the on-line sources I saw said the biggest change has been a big increase in Hispanic voters (combined with overwhelming support for Dem candidates). The other factor seems to be Albuquerque becoming ever more Dem leaning while growing in population. (Also due to increasing Hispanics? Donno.)
I’m forced to confess that assuming the addition to the Whitehouse is actually needed, I don’t think it’s terrible at all. I’m at a bit of a loss as to why anyone thinks the Whitehouse must be bigger than its neighbours. After all, it’s ahouse.
As to the ballroom, I think I like it.
Given Trump’s taste, the interior is likely to be gaudy, but that can be fixed eventually if people really hate it.
Call me back when the Arc de Trump commences for another, probably different professional opinion.
I’m still chuckling over Trump adding his name to a memorial. I guess he didn’t really understand it.
John Ferguson,
“I’m still chuckling over Trump adding his name to a memorial.”
Trump is exactly as graceful, in all things, as a bull in a China shop, to which he is rightly compared. I do wonder how someone could reach his late 70’s being both utterly offensive and utterly un-self aware. He will be gone in 3 years.
SteveF,
Have you seen floor plans for the ballroom wing? If so, where?
John ferguson,
I don’t think the new building was needed!
My hair, nails, spray tan will fit right in! And the rhinestone encrusted dresses!!
At least if the excuse was to have a ballroom, they are going to have one. (Well… if it gets finished. I do hope it gets finished. )
John posted:
“As to the ballroom, I think I like it.”
I certainly like the idea of a ballroom. It’s embarrassing that the United States holds state dinners in pop-up tents. I will reserve judgment on the size and appointments until I have more details. The architectural renderings that Trump is showing seem larger than I would have liked, and Trump’s taste in appointments is probably more gaudy than I would like, but we don’t have the details yet.
Since a national ballroom is a positive addition to the White House and it’s being funded with private money, it’s a go in my book. The sooner the better.
Wondering out loud…
Based on the following assertion by Grok:
“The East Wing of the White House was originally constructed in 1942 during World War II, primarily to conceal the building of an underground bunker now known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC).”
Perhaps the reason the Big Beautiful Ballroom has to be so big is that nothing can be built underground because of the emergency operations center, so all auxiliary facilities have to be built above ground on the first floor.
Reuters:
“The National Capital Planning Commission, chartered by Congress to manage planning for Washington-area federal lands, said on its website that the White House will provide an “information presentation” on plans to rebuild the East Wing during a commission meeting on January 8.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-present-plans-trumps-east-wing-ballroom-january-2025-12-25/
Mike M,
No, just the renderings and artist’s images. They all show the first floor used for other things and the ballroom occupying the entire (or nearly entire) second floor. If the 90,000 sq ft number is accurate, that is indeed a huge space (eg 225 x 400).
Interestingly, Trump has switched (Dec 5) to a different architect, because the original firm was ‘too small’ to move the project along at the pace Trump wanted.
SteveF
Sometimes, you have to change firms. But changing firms is generally a bad sign. We’ll see.
As long as we are where we are I would prefer to see this thing built to the alternative.
SteveF,
I know that the images show two floors, but I think there is also a “ground floor” that is largely hidden (except right at the south end), as is the case with the residence and West Wing.
The proposed footprint is shown here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_State_Ballroom#Planning
The residence is 128×85.5 without the porticoes, giving a footprint of 14,400 square feet.
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/press-room/press-backgrounders/white-house-dimensions
So it looks like the ballroom will be about 100×300, for a footprint of 30K sq ft. So 90K total would mean three stories.
SteveF,
I thought the firm change was because the first architect wasn’t comfortable with increasing the size of the building as Trump’s perception of what was needed increased.
It’s also possible that first architect realized like earlier architects that he might not be paid. 😉
I don’t know how big his office is, but for the architectural work alone, it would be hard to usefuly involve more than 6 architects. Probably mechanical (HVAC and Plumbing), Civil, Electrical and Structural would be done by consultants in any case.
During my time trying to do this stuff, my best clients were engineers and the worst were real-estate developers. I suspect Trump might be the worst of those (last minute changes) but then he has a lot of experience and may have settled down by now.
John Ferguson:
“[Trump] has a lot of experience and may have settled down by now.”
Are you suggesting that Trump learns from experience? I don’t think I’ve seen evidence of that trait. He seems to just go his own way.
HaroldW,
I limit my observation to construction.
John posted:
“During my time trying to do this stuff, my best clients were engineers and the worst were real-estate developers.”
and now from my engineers perspective…
The sleezy real estate developers were ALWAYS the worst clients….. Trump maybe the sleaziest of them all.
never want to pay the engineer, always wants to disregard the regulations, wants to put 10 gallons of shit in a 5 gallon can.
Adding Trump’s name to the Kennedy Center was — in my opinion — tasteless. His endless need to brand his name on things is one of the less important reasons I find him repulsive.
Having said that, I will endure his compulsion to brand in order to get things like judges that actually understand and adhere to the written Constitution, trimming the federal workforce and expenditures, reducing the power of homo bureaucratis, telling the world that America is not the global doormat that Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden made it out to be, etc..
Every time I’ve run the numbers for solar power, even assuming I did the installation myself, it’s been about a 15-20 year ROI and that’s assuming no breakage, no equipment failures, etc. With the wind and hail we get (wind regularly, hail periodically) in the Rocky Mountains, those are bad assumptions. My mother got solar installed in her home in Hawai`i years ago but it’s only the federal and state rebates that made it financially feasible.
Hawai`i is actually a good extrema point for considering solar and electrification. Petroleum has to be shipped and refined here, adding costs that almost no other state can understand. It’s a fragile ecosystem so petrochemical leaks have more pronounced effects there (see the ongoing drama regarding the leaks at the Navy’s Red Hill fuel bunkers).
This is one of the environments where I think electric cars make sense although I worry about the toxic metals when those cars are wrecked or abandoned after years of service. A smart state government would invest in materials research to find economic ways to recover/recycle those metals from these electric cars and isolate them from environmental effects but Hawai`i hasn’t had smart state government for at least 25 years, perhaps 45.
Derek H
Yes. And so is calling the new battleships “Trump Class”. These are usually named after former presidents. Dead former presidents.
Back on engineering clients…
I found over the years that the best clients were bankers and government agencies. The reason was simple. Both of them were paying me with other people’s money.
DerekH,
I agree with you. Trump is awful on the stuff that does not matter and great on stuff that actually does matter.
lucia,
Actually, battleships are traditionally named after states. A class of ships is usually named after the first ship in the class; I don’t know if the class name is official. None of the new ships will be named after Trump, only the class.
Trump denies responsibility for “Trump class” and “Trump-Kennedy Center”. I don’t know if that is true, but it would seem to undermine silly claims that Trump is not self-aware.
Battleships are normally named after states, like Iowa or Arizona. It’s aircraft carriers that are normally named after presidents like Ford and Bush.
Trump in this case is naming the entire class of battleship as the Trump class. I think normally the new class of US Navy warship is named after the first ship in the line.
sorry, Mike, cross posted
Mike M
I stand corrected. But it remains in bad taste for him to name it after himself.
It remains in bad taste.
And perhaps that’s even technically true. But in which case, it’s in bad taste that he didn’t tell people to not name these things after him.
Apparently, it filtered up to Trump that he had no class, so …
Lucia,
“It remains in bad taste.”
Everything Trump does is, at minimum, in bad taste, and more often outright offensive. But he is quite incapable of shame, no matter how outlandish his behavior. He will be gone in three years.
John Ferguson,
LOL!
Another Trump BBB… Big Beautiful Battleship.
I reckon the Navy brass is just humoring Trump with the Trump class battleship talk.
A new class of major capital ship will take a decade to start construction and require numerous authorizations from congress. I don’t think it’s ever gonna happen and I think the Navy brass know it’s never gonna happen.
Aircraft carriers are named after all sorts of things: “Gerald Ford”, “Enterprise”, “Coral Sea”.
“Trump class battleships”? Meh.
“Trump-Kennedy Center”? Horrid.
SteveF
3 years? It may be sooner. The symptom’s that he’s losing it abound. This doesn’t necessarily mean that when he’s working ex cathedra that he isn’t sharp, but he’s saying such goofy things .
Let’s suppose he resigns in 18 months, Vance steps in and finishes his term and perhaps modulates the MAGA message a bit, does some house cleaning of the more conspicuous misfits among Trump’s appointments and has his ducks aligned for the 2028 election.
And the Dems run another idiot.
As an aside, we went to a party yesterday attended by a couple who are convinced that enforcing “affordable” unit provisions in all of the new apartment buildings is a good thing. We don’t think so after living in a building which had them. It wasn’t a problem to us, but the folks from the other economic tier that we could identify, mostly by behavior, never seemed comfortable with the rest of us. As far as I could tell, noone ever gave them a hard time, or for that matter a cold shoulder.
So Jan and I have been branded bigots for not supporting this. and to our faces.
John, If I were you I would stop hanging out with those kind of people.
John Ferguson,
“The symptom’s that he’s losing it abound. ”
Well, if they abound, they have not been obvious to me. He is just as obnoxious as ever, of course. Certainly whatever has been reported seems <10% of what I saw with Biden, even while he was running for office in 2020.
I don't think you are a bigot, if that helps. 😉
There are people who think socialism is the only legitimate form of government….. indeed, the only legitimate form of living (consider the paradise of the termites and the ants!).
It is impossible to reason with them. I gave up on that decades ago.
John Ferguson,
Trump is far too much an asshole to ever resign, no matter the circumstances, and no matter how much it might help Vance.
So long as he has the strength to say something obnoxious, he will remain in office. He could die suddenly, of course, but I doubt it…. he has the best health care available, and the actuarial tables say he is likely going to live another 9 years. Chance of death in the next three? Under 20%…. and that is with average family background and health care. No, sorry, Trump will very likely be offending people until he leaves office in January 2029.
Trump’s mother lived to be 88. His father lived to 93. Trump is unlikely to die any time soon.
after a year of Putin sweet talking Trump into putting off a serious US response to their dragging their feet in the peace process, I’m convinced Trump is either complicit or a complete nincompoop.
ISW calls it out directly today:
“Key Takeaway: Since the Trump administration began peace efforts in January-February 2025, the Kremlin has sought to delay and prolong peace negotiations in order to continue its war undisturbed, prevent the U.S. from imposing measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations, and even to extract concessions regarding bilateral US-Russian relations.”
https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2006009886484881844?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
SteveF
Sadly, yes. Trump will probably make it through his whole term. Not that I necessarily like Vance.
It’s hard to predict what’s next. We’ll see what happens in the midterms.
Lucia,
Chances are Dems will control the House starting Jan 1, 2027, and Republicans will control the Senate. Trump will be ‘investigated’ continuously by the House and likely ‘impeached’ (yet again!!) on completely absurd grounds; basically, he will impeached for being Trump. The Senate will yawn.
I suspect impeaching Trump would be a terrible mistake for Dems, and make a Vance presidency far more likely….. but Dems have to listen to their base (to avoid future primary challenges) and so proceed with impeachment anyway.
Russell,
“measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations,”
Just what would those be?
SteveF,
Trump appears to me to be in much worse shape than either of his parents at the same age, at least as it can be ascertained from photographs. His dad was first diangosed with Alzheimer’s at 86. HIs physical condition at that age is not available but he did not appear obese in photographs frm that time.
As to the present Trump, reading transcripts of his public “rants’ does not give me comfort that he is not losing it. At the same time, he appears to still be quite adapt at the sorts of dialog in the Q&A sessions he is subjected to, But then “Quiet’ quiet, Piggy” suggests that he’s well into the phase of mental decline where self-discipline softens.
John Ferguson,
Trump has always said outrageous, gratuitously insulting things…. I’m not sure the ‘Piggy’ comment says much of anything about loss of self-discipline. This is in contrast with Biden, where loss of self discipline (with voters!) was a big change compared to 10 years earlier. In any case, we will see what happens…. Trumps’s father was diagnosed with Alzheimers at 86, but Trump is still ‘only’ 79. I will be the first to say if I see evidence of dementia.
FWIW, I think both major parties have failed to develop younger people who are capable of national leadership.
Mike, your question:
“Russell, ‘measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations.’ Just what would those be?”
Additional military hardware and munitions…
Longer-range precision strike missiles (e.g., additional ATACMS variants and GMLRS munitions) and greater numbers of the shorter-range precision strike munitions.
Directly supply F-16 fighter jets. Ukraine has received approximately 40-50 F-16s out of around 85-90 pledged in total by Europe. They have learned to use them effectively in battle. With the depleted state of the Russian Air Force, Ukraine could gain air superiority over the battlefield.
The U.S. is phasing out older F-16 variants and transitioning away from ATACMS missiles, creating excess inventory of both.
Increase sanctions……
Increase both primary and especially secondary sanctions.
I have been seeing USAF cargo planes landing and taking off from the Dominican Republic. It appears the Dominican Republic has granted us access to their airport. What the cargo is I do not know.
Screenshot from 1:30 PM Florida Time of cargo planes at a Dominican Republic and one more bound for Puerto Rico:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2006071050899993060?s=20
Mike, After further thought…
The US has about 2,000 (or up to 3,700 in some estimates) Abram tanks in storage they are older variants Abram’s tanks (primarily M1A1) held in storage/reserve. I’m not entirely sure more tanks would be game changing but they could be offered.
Russell,
I am far from convinced that anything you mention could make much difference. There is a limit to how much we can safely deplete our own stores of weapons. There may also be limits to the Ukrainians ability to effectively use larger quantities of the more sophisticated weapons. It is far from clear if those limits allow for an increase that would make much of a difference.
And “more sanctions” is meaningless unless you can specify what sanctions not already applied could make a difference.
To me, ‘measures intended to pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations’ sounds like pie-in-the-sky.
john ferguson,
Some of the things Trump says might be cause for concern from a conventional politician. But Trump is not a conventional politician and has always said such things. You can not disgnose dementia on the basis of Trump being Trump. And you can not assess physical condition from photographs.
While I am at it, Trump is not obese. Based on the numbers in his physical, he has a BMI of 28. So he is overweight. But being somewhat overweight does not seem to be a big issue for older folks. I seem to recall claims that a BMI of 27 is ideal for older people.
Mike M,
Check “age adjusted BMI” for a complete description, including health implications by age.
Always struck me as strange that the recommended BMI range for a 22 YO and a 72 YO were the same.
US weight “suggestions” are a joke.
I hired an exercise coach to tone up a bit. I tend to be lazy in regard to exercise, so paid for a coach. If I was paying, I would be less likely to blow off the gym appointment.
My coach was a 5’ 10” , 175 lb , 23 yr old girl. A complete knockout and not an oz of extra fat. Per the CDC, she is overweight.
https://www.cdc.gov/bmi/adult-calculator/index.html
“ Based on the information entered, your body mass index (BMI) is 25.1, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height.”
Mike M.
You may choose not to suspect early symtoms of dementia via Trump’s verbal output, and you might be prudent in so choosing, but I do choose to infer dementia from samples taken from his rants over the last few years.
As to Trump being Trump, I do not count the blatant lies and exageratoins as evidence of his decline. Nothiong new there. If we want to detect incipient dementia we need to look at very specific examples.
Maybe like this one:
Sharks, boats, and electrocution
“I say, ‘What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?’”
?
At the same time, I do not draw any conclusions from his bruises, which I, too, get from banging into doors, or his care in dealing with stairs which seems perfectly reasonable.
John,
Trump speaks stream of consciousness, 8’th grade level. It’s part of his demagoguery. I think it’s an act he has perfected for the cameras.
But I could be wrong, and that could just be the way his is all the time.
He could be becoming demented. I don’t know that I believe that the oddness of his words there is indicative of it.
Heck, maybe. Maybe gravity holds us to the surface of the earth. Or maybe it’s some other force with identical properties. We wouldn’t be able to tell.
Shrug.
Time will tell I think.
John,
Trump speaks stream of consciousness, 8’th grade level. It’s part of his demagoguery. I think it’s an act he has perfected for the cameras.
But I could be wrong, and that could just be the way his is all the time.
He could be becoming demented. I don’t know that I believe that the oddness of his words there is indicative of it.
Heck, maybe. Maybe gravity holds us to the surface of the earth. Or maybe it’s some other force with identical properties. We wouldn’t be able to tell.
Shrug.
Time will tell I think.
Trump calls this ‘the weave‘ BTW.
“Sharks, boats, and electrocution”.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. IIRC, he had his audience roaring with laughter.
” I think it’s an act he has perfected for the cameras.”
I think he has perfected it for his live audiences. It is interactive. Definitely not dementia.
I maintain that our politics and politicians have become so artificial and contrived that normal seems weird. And unusual (which Trump is by any standard) seems downright bizarre.
His biggest fans love it, in part because they are so sick of politics as usual.
John Ferguson,
Trump doesn’t know anything about electricity (or sharks!). Sea water is a very good ‘earth ground’, always and everywhere, unlike fresh water, and it is hard to generate much voltage drop across a person floating in salt water….. unless they directly touch a low resistance voltage source directly. Electric harpoons are deadly when used on large fish (like giant blue-fin tunas) because the wire supplies voltage directly to the fishes body, while the surrounding seawater ‘grounds’ the fish to complete the circuit (the boat generating voltage for the harpoon is the other electrode)…. leading to instantly lethal (high) current flow through the fish.
A Shocking Tale of Fish
I tried once to make a pulsed electric current source to repel spiny dogfish (a type of smallish shark). It is a PITA to catch, because in addition to sharp teeth, it has a giant, razor-sharp spine on its dorsal fin which can seriously injure. This type of shark was taking baited fishing lines near the ocean surface, next to commercial fishing boats, while the targeted fish (desired fish) were 20+ meters below the surface….. the baited lines never got past the dogfish, so it became almost impossible to catch the targeted fish.. The system had a big bank of capacitors, a continuous charging circuit, a timed switching circuit, and two aluminum plates (electrodes, about a square meter each) which were located about 12 feet apart just off the stern of the boat, 5-6 feet below the surface. The capacitor bank was sized to generate in the range of ~1000 amps passing through the seawater, in very short pulses (milliseconds) about 1- 2 seconds apart…. the circuit used about 250 watts continuous AC power from the boat’s gen-set. I ran tests in a modest size tank using small live fish to determine the current density that would visibly annoy them.
I expected the dogfish near the surface would be repelled by the string of pulses, giving the fishermen a ‘window’ through which they could drop their baited lines. I even gave the system a name: “The Dog-gone Shocker”.
It was tested on a commercial fishing boat: it never worked. Not even a little. The dogfish happily passed between the aluminum plates to take the baited lines while the system was pulsing away. The problem was that the current in a test tank was restricted to flow directly between the electrodes, while in the ocean, the current had unlimited paths between the electrodes….. I suspect it would have taken 10+ times (100 times?) the current flow to get the sharks’ attention…. at which point cost became a big issue.
So: No boat battery poses a risk to people (or fish).
Mike,
It was apparently deliberate as he repeated that bit over at multiple rallies. That doesn’t sound like dementia to me.
But again, the heck do I know? Nothing.
Steve,
Fun story. Thanks!
Will the current government of Iran fall in 2026? They have hella problems that don’t seem to be going away.
Mark Bofill,
Brutal dictatorships that are quite happy to murder untold thousands of political opponents rarely fall on their own. Unfortunately, I doubt the Mullahs will lose power any time soon. The next round of bunker busters would need very different targets to (possibly) get rid of the Mullahs. That is not Trump’s style.
Yeah. Thanks Steve
Hi SteveF, 60 Hz A/C might have induced arrhythmia. We were convinced by a cardiologist who had retired to a Krogen 48 that it was imprudent to swim anywhere near a marina or for that matter your own boat if it was running an A/C electrical system. The reason was it doesn’t take much oomph (term of art) in an alternating current to confuse your heart timing. There was also something about the gradient in current as it diminished on it’s way away from the source being enough to create similar gradient between your head and feet and come to some meaningful percentage of your own signalling.
We were convinced enough that whenever we cleaned the bottom of the boat which I did by holding my breath – 2 1/2 minutes at my best, and Jan on a tank, we shut down the inverter or genset while we were in the water.
And we never went into the water at a marina.
I found a pretty good article on this via Perplexity.
And it’s always possible that Trump had heard something like this, but not being techincal hadn’t put the whole thing together.
john ferguson,
Batteries do not make 60Hz, though Trump may not know that. 😉
I have never heard of anybody having a problem with a gen-set running. We often snorkeled off the swim dock with the generator on, with no apparent ill effects, and have seen many other boats do the same (I never swam in a marina, since the water might not be very clean). That said, I am currently at the Green Turtle Club Marina and there is a swimming area not 20 yards from docks with AC power connections. Kids do swim there.
Maritime legend maybe?
Water is pretty opaque to electric fields. I’d think being close to AC on dry land would be more.. effectuous.
Guy that gave the talk “alerting” us to this “risk” had numbers, but of course there were some assumptions that the supposed current through your heart was not attenuated by the noise of multiple paths. Maybe if you wore a dry suit but no gloves, and extended your arms along a radial from the source.
Maybe.
I should have mentioned, all the 120VAC outlets on my boat were GFI protected. I guess something weird could happen with AC going to an air conditioner or battery charger, but as far as I could tell, everything in the boat was tied to a common ground, so I doubt there was a lot of risk there. A bigger concern would be accumulation of carbon monoxide from the generator (depending on wind direction). But the boat had CO alarms, loud enough to wake the dead, that tripped at <5% of the 'dangerous concentration' in all living areas, and they were tested regularly.
Wishing all the denizens here “Salud, dinero, amor y tiempo para gastarlo” in 2026.
Happy New Years! About darn time, as far as I am concerned!
john —
I have seen no signs of Trump losing “it” whatever you think it is. He is as brash as ever, he can still speak extemporaneously (something both Biden and Obama stank at) albeit at a 7th or 8th grade level, and he still seems able to respond to live questions.
He’s never been self-conscious which is why we see the idiotic Trump branding all over the place. He has never seemed to be aware that people would name things after him on their own if he just did a good job. Heck, they named things after presidents who stank on ice like Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.
WRT the discussions on ship naming, the US Navy typically picks a theme for naming each new class or series of ships. Aircraft carriers have been named for US presidents or prominent naval power supporters since the USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). The 2 upcoming exceptions will be CVN-80 (inheriting the long revered name Enterprise) and CVN-81 (named Doris Miller for a black sailor who prominently manned the guns at Pearl Harbor).
Other classes or series were named after famous battles, cities (nuclear attack subs), etc. Trump can call the new class of ship whatever he wants — sailors in the future will probably follow established protocol and name the class after the first ship of its type (if it ever actually gets built). From what I saw, these are going to be missile carriers and launchers, not battleships in the sense of the New Jersey and Missouri. There is something to be said for the ability to stand off at a distance and precisely drop car-size munitions on top of an enemy force without each one costing millions — or even hundreds of thousands — of dollars.
If I remember correctly, we were carefully monitoring and scrutinizing the use of each Tomahawk and air-launched cruise missile immediately after Desert Storm because they cost nearly $100K each. The cost profile has only got worse since then.
The case for using battleships to do that is similar to the case for buying F-15EXes. Yes, we want stealth as demonstrated by the F-22, F-35, and maybe the F-47 to achieve air superiority but once we have air superiority, we don’t really need the stealth and a cost-effective munitions “truck” like the F-15EX becomes more interesting. Similarly, once the skies and littoral spaces have been cleared, battleships with their 16-inch guns offer a very different kind of ground support.
Ward Carroll’s YouTube channel had a recently retired admiral with extensive surface ship experience talking about what the Navy really needs right now.
Feliz ano novo para tudo!
Cold in Fl…. 40F projected low tonight.
Derek,
I do not agree that Obama could not speak extemporaneously. I can’t imagine how you could have reached that conclusion. He taught constitutional law at University of Chicagofor 12 years to an audience of pretty sharp students. Maybe from notes, but certainly not a teleprompter.
As to losing it, it may be that I am somewhat sensitized to at least the symptoms that I think expose it being 83 and surrounded socially by people that age and older, some of whom are losing it, not to mentionb the two spectacular declines in my family.
I also don’t give Trump a pass, although you might, for saying any outrageous thing which comes into his head and have that dismissed as “Trump being Trump.”
Maybe you don’t mind him calling members of the audience at the Trump-Kennedy affair last week “terrible people” or his written remarks concerning the Reiners’ deaths.
Loss of self-editing is a recognized symptom of decline. He didn’t say things like this 10 years ago.
And lest you think I might be imune to the goofy things done by polticians I respect, I don’t think I’ll ever forgive Obama for his assertion that business founders didn’t do it themselves, they depended on our government furnished infrastructure.
There nothing wrong with choosing to ignore symptoms you think are overrblown or meaningless, but my view is that he’ll never finish this term for the reasons I suggested earlier., as well as allowing Vance a head start for 2028.
I suspect he may be given the Spiro Agnew opportunity; leave quietly or face criminal charges. He may have immunity from prosecution for official acts, but plenty of the dubious things he’s done or is now doing cannot possibly be construed to be official acts.
The above premises are based on the assumption that enough Republicans will not be interested in going down with his ship, assuming of course, as I do, that his condition will become obvious to the meanest understanding in the next 18 moths.
i had an uncle who went from being a bit daft to having to be physically restrained in 14 months +/-. It can happen quickly.
I apologize for assuming the worst, maybe it won’t come as quickly as I expect.
john ferguson wrote: “Loss of self-editing is a recognized symptom of decline. He [Trump] didn’t say things like this 10 years ago.”
I fear your memory is failing.
john ferguson,
“but my view is that he’ll never finish this term for the reasons I suggested earlier.”
Wow. Short of some major health crisis (like a debilitating stroke), I see just about zero chance forTrump to not finish his term. If you are convinced he will leave office, there are betting markets where you can probably make a fortune betting Trump that will leave office.
john ferguson,
This is the Kalshi market for Trump out of office by 2027: https://kalshi.com/markets/kxtrumpout27/trump-out-before-2027/kxtrumpout27-27
Bet $10,000 and gain $50,000 if he is gone by Jan 1, 2027.
I am sure there are other market-like bets available. But if I were you, I wouldn’t bet on Trump leaving until Jan 20, 2029.
BTW, I would venture the 20% side of that wager is pretty much all angry Democrats.
New Year.
New solutions.
Thanks to all for this little window on the world.
And our hostess.
Mike M.
Insulting people directly and in person seems recent. If you say he’s been doing it for years, and are sure, I’ll believe you.
SteveF. I find the Repubs releasing the Jack Smith session complete with transcript suggestive that they are no longer afraid of him. As Gru, the traveler would say, “They are no longer afraid to live in fear.”
There was once a climate skeptic site named something like “The Chief” Chief being a Mike Smith who had been a CIO in an earlier life. Does anyone here remember it and if so what happened to Mike? He lived in California.
Mike M.
I suppose Trump was insulting the press directly and in person at his rallies in 2016. I concede this in response to your suggestion that my memory is going. I feel that he’s expanded the populations, (cohorts?) that he insults in person since 2016 and maybe more in the last year.
True, it’s my perception. Maybe difficult to prove.
John,
Who do you suspect will give him this offer? I am keenly interested if you care to elaborate.
Ultimatum, really, isn’t that what you mean?
Mark,
Ultimatum is accurate, but I like fooling around with the words.
It has to be by the Republicans as it was in Spiro’s case. It worked with Sprio because the DOJ had the evidence to indict him for bribery and was willing to do it. It’s more complicated now and of course depends on Trump having committed some indictable crime, which I suspect, but don’t know for sure.
We don’t know, or at least I don’t, if NIxon had a deal with Ford to be pardoned, but Goldwater and all convinced him that he would be impeached and convicted if he didn’t leave.
I hope the Dems have realized that nothing’s gained from an impeachment which doesn’t lead to at least a chance of conviction. This doesn’t mean that fools won’t file letters of impeachment, but so far the leader can quash them.
I am much enocouraged by the release of the Smith deposition both video and transcript. I don’t think it would have happened a year ago. Maybe more Repoublicans don’t like the view ahead.
john ferguson,
Never saw those movies, so I’m not sure I understand your reference to Gru.
That said, I think Jack Smith is a very highly motivated individual, and his prosecutorial decisions over his career are consistent with that, and not just in prosecuting Trump. The old joke about prosecuting a ham sandwich seems apropos.
A rather large jury considered Smith’s cases against Trump in November 2024, and found them lacking merit. He at least was realistic enough to drop the cases when that verdict came in.
As for why Smith was called to testify: I don’t see any reason for it. It seems a tremendous waste of everyone’s time. He is an irrelevant lawyer surrounded by defense lawyers. Nobody is going to get him to say anything that could be used against him. More important than that, his testimony is as informative about Tump’s prosecutions as a pimple on the ass of an elephant is informative about the nature of elephants. The decisions to prosecute Trump were a) purely political, and b) not made by Jack Smith.
Republicans are making the same kinds of stupid, over-the-top, purely political choices as Democrats made pursuing Trump. The country would be better served if they stopped wasting everyone’s time.
Well, that’s one for the books John. I await the unfolding of these events you foresee with interest.
john ferguson,
The evidence of bribery against Biden was very clear, but prosecution (or impeachment) were out of the question. We live in very different political times than when Nixon and Agnew were in office. The era of politicians always being actually held to account for lies and criminality is long past.
I remember my wife’s reaction when it was proven that Clinton had lied under oath about oral sex with a WH intern outside the Oval Office. Said she: “He can’t stay in office now.” But stay he did. I think politicians are not going to be held to any reasonable standards, including blatant criminality, so long as the country is deeply divided about the proper role and scope of government.
SteveF
With next to no evidence. Sorry. the election may have had this effect, but the voters were uninformed.
I’m amazed that you aren’t the least bit uncertain about this. You haven’t seen the evidence although it appears that it will be relased in the next month or two, again, assuming Smith includes a lot of it in his report.
Then this:
This is one of the best things of yours I’ve read. I haven’t seen anything like it anywhere else and I think it’s dead on accurate.
Finland’s Air Force has officially joined the F-35 family. This is the top-of-the-line US fighter jet. It far outclasses anything in the Russian Air Force. Finland purchased 64 of the F-35A (conventional takeoff and landing variant). Finland is replacing its older F/A-15 fleet, which, in my opinion, is itself competitive with anything in the Russian Air Force. https://x.com/lockheedmartin/status/2001011042734764068?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Russell,
When will they get the F-35’s?
The highlight of our recent visit to Finland was seeing a road sign with arrows pointing to “Helsinki” and in the other direction “Russia”
john ferguson,
“I’m amazed that you aren’t the least bit uncertain about this.”
I am sure Trump was as guilty as all the people who claimed (and still claim) Trump was never a ‘legitimate’ president. It is 100% a political question. Does the country deserve to suffer the consequences of having someone who would make a successful used car salesman as president? Or a president who spent his long political career collecting payments in exchange for political influence? Or for that matter, elected officials everywhere who have done essentially nothing outside of elective office their entire lives? All these and more are tolerated by the electorate because the bigger issues of what the USA ‘should be’ in the future divides the county and override the flaws and failures of individual politicians. I held my nose and voted for Trump (3 times!) because the alternatives offered a vision of the future of the USA with which I profoundly disagree.
“I hope the Dems have realized that nothing’s gained from an impeachment which doesn’t lead to at least a chance of conviction.”
Assuming Democrats gain control of the House: I hope you are right, but that has never stopped them before. 😉
However, Trump can’t run again, so maybe that will change the calculus; the earlier impeachments (plus all the prosecutions, civil and criminal, and efforts to remove him from ballots) were designed to keep Trump from being re-elected. Those efforts failed, of course, because enough voters saw them for what they were: politically motivated.
You think voters are uninformed; I disagree. Most voters understand perfectly well that Biden is corrupt to his bones and Trump is a lying buffoon and life-long skirt chaser. But they saw very clearly during Biden’s time in office what a ‘progressive’ controlled future would look like, and rejected that future. YMMV.
SteveF
Re; all the people who claimed Trump was never a ‘legitimate’ president. That’s a straw man. I know a lot of people who aren’t happy he’s president but not anyone who thinks he wasn’t legitimately elected. Nonsense.
It never occurred to me that Biden was a crook, but I don’t doubt it. I seriously doubt that “most voters” knew it either.
And I have no problem with disadain for the recent progressive agenda. I hate it too, and I had to hold my nose to vote as well.
And as I like to tell my liberal friends, “you have no idea what Hillary might have done had she become president, or now Kamala.”
John,
The first batch F-35s are already in service in Finland
image:
https://x.com/thef35/status/1998408676701241393?s=20
John,
Interesting quirk about the Finnish Air Force… They use remote roadways as makeshift covert military runways.
from grok:
Finland employs highways as alternate runways for military jets as a core element of its dispersed operations doctrine, a strategy developed during the Cold War and refined over decades to enhance aircraft survivability against potential attacks on fixed air bases. The Finnish Air Force designates straight, wide sections of public roads as highway strips (maantietukikohta), which can be quickly closed to traffic and converted into temporary airstrips for takeoffs, landings, hot-pit refueling, and maintenance. This practice is mandatory training for all fighter pilots, with annual or biannual exercises like Baana (known in NATO as “Imminent Field”) involving F/A-18 Hornets, Hawk trainers, and support aircraft—often with allied participation, including recent F-35A operations by U.S., Norwegian, and Dutch forces. By rapidly dispersing jets across the country’s extensive road network, Finland complicates enemy targeting, ensures operational continuity in wartime, and maintains airpower resilience, particularly relevant given its long border with Russia and NATO membership since 2023.
john ferguson,
From a 2 second AI generated search:
Hillary in particular stated many times that only Russian interference elected Trump in 2016. I think it was more voters rejecting Hillary, her blatant corruption, but most of all, her policies.
Voters knew what they would get with Trump when he was re-elected in 2024. And that is exactly what they have gotten. The guy is an asshole, and always will be.
SteveF
I vaguely remember that but thought it was nonsense at the time, and I suppose some people belived it. I did think there was some vanilla coordination between the Trump campaign and some Russian operatives, but I don’t think the Russians actually did anything that had any real effect.
Comey on the other hand. Although HIllary is such an incompetent politician that she could prablably have lost without any help from anyone.
We keep getting these plaintive squeals from Kamala seeking money. akkkkkkk.
SteveF
Is all the fuss about the Russian hoax in reaction to the nutso theory that the Russians put Trump in office in 2016? The dime never dropped here. Duh.
But then, I never believed that They’d had any influence on the outcome anf obviously didn’t think anyone else did, but apparently there are still people out there who did believe it.
Oddly enough, I get no pleas for money from Kamala. 😉 I doubt she can get past the first few primaries, and may not lasts that long. Mind-numbing word salads don’t play well with voters. More likely she will retire in substantial wealth and never run for office again.
SteveF,
I can’t imagine her getting anuy substantial support. I know a lot of Dems and none as far as I know would have chosen here to run in 2024. I used to enjoy seeing the sticker on the back of Pick-UP trucks which said that “It takes a village to raise an idiot”
Even a lot of Democrats were able to see that Biden was a fool and that he didn’t want to be outshown in 2024.
She’s married to money btw.
john ferguson,
I believe Biden promised in a primary debate to choose only a woman as running mate. Before the S Carolina primary it was reported he was pressured to select a black running mate…..
Maybe that is just an urban legend.
I think he could have done a lot better than Kamala.
Happy New Year to Lucia & all.
In reply to a comment above – https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2025/12/31/happy-new-year-as-the-party-goes-round-the-world/
For some reason he moved from California to Florida, wonder why!!!
“For some reason he moved from California to Florida, wonder why!”
I don’t wonder why.
Happy New Year!! 🙂
Happy New Year!
Been a good two days for college football watching….. The Ole Miss vs Georgia game was great. [Lane Kiffen can go suck eggs.] I also enjoyed the Miami vs Ohio State game. Finally it was fun watching Indiana dismantle Alabama. Indiana is for real. What was strange was watching a very good football team composed mostly of white guys.
Thanks dougie,
FWIW, I spent half an hour trying in both the goggle ai and perplexity to extract Mike’s site with no result. combinations of chief, cio, smirth, mike smith, characterizing it as a skeptic site and got nothing. I’d last looked at his site maybe 12 years ago.
Now I’m wondeering why AI couldn’t come up with anything except asking for more information. Reasonable, but it’s found olther things with less. maybe too many smiths.
you know it’s cold in Florida…….
My Russian young lady who tidies up the place came in this morning and said “it’s so refreshing outside”
It’s another matinee movie and popcorn day for me and my granddaughters. We are going to watch “It Happened on Fifth Avenue”.
Connie used to watch it every year at Christmas time.
john ferguson,
I searched ‘chiefio blog’ and it came up instantly.
john —
Trump was perhaps more circumspect about his insults 20-30 years ago but he’s always been willing to speak his mind. It was still pretty clear when he disdained something; he was deservedly slammed by right and left when he dismissed John McCain having been a prisoner of war. He was railed by the Left in 2016 for insulting a disabled journalist who he felt had been insulting him.
His directness is one of the things that bought him the presidency since his supporters saw him as being more authentic when he put his warts out on display. I see his increased willingness to engage with verbal insults more as impatience at having to continue to deal with the same tomfoolery time after time than as a sign of him “losing it”. He also may have decided to let loose more because he recognizes that being “authentic” has had more positive than negative results for him.
I say Obama stank at extemporaneous speaking because he did. At a minimum, he has prepared notes if not a full-blown teleprompter whenever he speaks publicly. That’s not extemporaneous. He fumbled whenever he didn’t have prepared remarks.
This is in direct contrast to Trump’s free-wheeling Q&A sessions where he speaks directly off-the-cuff. He can probably anticipate some of the questions and therefore prepare for them but I somewhat doubt that he bothers to prepare or rehearse for most of these sessions.
I really don’t care about Obama‘s speaking ability either way; he was an awful president and it doesn’t matter if he was a deaf mute or a gifted orator.
Trump draws a red line for Iran:
This is pretty strong committal language from Trump. I triple dog dare you… Should be interesting to see what happens. I [think it’s fairly clear] Iran is on the rocks and I’m not all that confident the current regime will endure. Maybe they will.
mark —
That is strong. I think Trump realizes he has 3 years left to make a difference (really 2.5) so he’s not holding anything back on any situation. This does open him up to legitimate criticisms about running an authoritarian government but it’s really not any worse than FDR or Obama who both exercised power and dared the legislative and judicial branches to try to stop them (except that the press liked the ways FDR and Obama exercised their power).
SteveF,
I’d forgotten the io part. chief alone didn’t do it for me.
The US military is taking action in Venezuela at 2:40 AM. I do not know the extent of the action.
I have seen photo evidence of explosions in Caracas and helicopter gun ships firing near the coast.
Reuters have also claimed that US special forces have boots on the ground in Caracas.
The social media rumor mill is running wild. I have only printing here what I feel certain has happened.
I just saw several videos of a flight of big twin rotor Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters flying over a war zone in Venezuela, these are used for troop transport, indicating to me that there are boots on the ground. they were being escorted by attack helicopters.
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2007355445103735141?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
https://x.com/clashreport/status/2007338166152560720?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
A worry.
Justification?
Long term goal??
angech,
at this stage, they’re on no answers, only questions.
Maduro (and his wife) have been ‘arrested’ and removed from Venezuela. Wow! Not what I expected at all. We will get details later today….. including casualties.
Maduro is 63, so he could spend quite a while in a US prison. The Guardian won’t like it.
This proves, were there any doubt, that Trump is actually Hitler. 😉
angech,
The long term goal, I suspect, is to return the country to being an elective democracy. That may be harder than Trump thinks, because Marudo has driven away the 20% of the population who most want an elective democracy. There is no good reason for Venezuela to remain desperately poor…. creating a ‘socialist paradise’ is never a good reason for abject poverty.
Good!
SteveF
Do you suppose that the folks who voted for Maria Machado, the winner of the last election, have left?
Other leaders in Maduro’s government are defiant. The message has to be “Leave, or you are next.”
Trump posted on Truth:
“The United States of America has successfully carried out a large scale strike against Venezuela and its leader, President Nicolas Maduro, who has been, along with his wife, captured and flown out of the Country. This operation was done in conjunction with U.S. Law Enforcement. Details to follow. There will be a News Conference today at 11 A.M., at Mar-a-Lago. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP”
john ferguson,
No, but a lot of educated, capable (and motivated) people left the country years ago. The remainder of Maduro’s government will have an easier time resisting the results of a legitimate election with those folks gone.
I sure hope we’ve done our homework on this and the next government there has the necessary support of their military.
Ten minutes ago:
“ Following the arrest of Maduro in Venezuela overnight, the two US Department of Justice/FBI aircraft are on the move. N874TW as JENA1 made the hop from Richmond, VA to Fort Lauderdale, FL and is now heading towards Puerto Rico, while N119NA as JENA2 is southbound from base.”
Image:
https://x.com/theintelfrog/status/2007453360576663820?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
President Trump called into Fox and friends this morning….
https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2007455806631903249?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Trump threatens the leaders of Iran, then the US military arrests Maduro in his own country. I am pretty sure those two things are connected. Trump is saying to the Ayatollah: “This could be you”.
Mike,
The logistics of capturing Maduro in Caracas is entirely different than attacking the Ayatollah in Tehran
Russell,
Mike didn’t claim the logistics were the same.
John,
Why? I very much doubt the situation will be made worse by Maduro’s removal. If the worst case is that some new military dictator assumes power, well, that was more or less the case under Maduro anyway. At least the Venezuelans have a chance to reclaim the governance of their country this way.
I hope Cuba is next! I’m sure it won’t be, but I can hope.
Situation made worse by removal of Maduro? I’m with you on that mark. It might be nice if Machado gains her elected office. She has the advantage of having won an election, and reputedly is quite popular.
I have no idea what her political views might be, but maybe she can be convinced that de-naionalizing some of the assets there is a good idea.
I don’t think it’s well known here but Erdogun denationalized the breweries in Trukey when he first gained power. My Turkish friends who were there at the time said the result was very good.
The difference between Maduro and the ayatollahs? Maduro doesn’t think 20 virgins await him in heaven. 😉 Those in control of Iran are even more extreme in their motivation to remain in power than a socialist dictator. They have murdered untold thousands of Iranians to do so.
John,
Technically, I think it’s Edmundo Urrutia who has the best claim towards legitimacy, although it’s not 100% clear. Maybe Urrutia as interim President while they hold new elections, that’d be ideal. But likely any number of potential new leaders would be better than what just passed.
mark bofill,
“I hope Cuba is next! I’m sure it won’t be, but I can hope.”
Is there popular sentiment in Cuba to get rid of the dictatorship? I know most Cubans here in the USA want the communists gone, but is that the case in Cuba?
“ The US Justice Department unsealed indictments in reference to former Venezuelan President Maduro. The US District Court of the Southern District of New York will be responsible for the trial.”
https://x.com/tendar/status/2007486427551117384?s=61
You must be joking, right?
Let’s see. Power for 4 hours a day. A quarter of the population admits to going to bed hungry every night. Shortages of fuel and medicine are the rule. Of course, protests like the ones in 2021 were brutally suppressed, and in a place where political opposition is illegal it’s hard to get people to admit to what they are really thinking, but if we could agree on a method of verification that I was sure would give us the correct answer, I would bet absolutely everything I own that Yes. Most Cubans want the communists gone, with the sole provision or qualification that I presume the slaves still outnumber the slavers. That’s the only loophole I can think of anyway.
Elon is proclaiming….
“BREAKING: X is now the #1 News App on the AppStore in Venezuela
The people of Venezuela are receiving all the unfiltered and truthful news right here on this platform in real-time.
Maduro once banned the X app in Venezuela. Fate loves Irony.”
Caracus was defended by Russian anti-aircraft systems:
“It goes without saying that the Russian-made air defense assets around Caracas, Venezuela, completely failed to do their job.
Neither the 9K317M2 Buk-M2E – pictured here – nor the S-300VM respectively Pantsir-S1 could stop the US operation and were neutralized by US forces.”
These things always make me nervous. I’m glad I have a dance lessons at noon… Sigh…
We’ll see what tomorrow brings.
Mark Bofill,
I have no inside information on what life is like in Cuba; I assume you do. 4hrs per day of power in Havana, or in rural Cuba?
Can’t say I care very much what happened in Venezuela before today, or after today, but will reserve judgment to see what the longer term results are. I didn’t see them as much of a threat and this action unwarranted in the grand scheme.
My guess is that another corrupt regime will replace the previous one and not much will change. Trump has a way of getting results though that cannot be discounted. He showed a will to shut down the southern border and that had secondary effects on incentives that magnified the results beyond what many people thought would be ineffective policy (errr … Biden).
Along those lines when Trump tells Canada and Mexico to take action against drug runners in the future that may get a more serious response.
I kind of laughed a few days ago when the WSJ printed this:
Venezuela’s Maduro Tries to Laugh Off U.S. Campaign to Crush Him
https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuela-maduro-trump-us-threats-197db1fa?st=u6KVj5&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
I don’t think Maduro has been looking very hard at the history of loud mouth dictators picking fights with the US. This was obviously for his domestic audience but I doubt the likes of Trump saw this with much favor.
Trump…
We are gonna run the country until we turn it over
Steve,
I don’t know that this was Havana, but it looks to be like some relatively large city in Cuba anyway. Santiago maybe? I blush to admit I’m not all that conversant with Cuban metropolises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WehJhCF1eEE
“We are gonna run the country until we turn it over”
I sure hope that is not very long. The people want the Maduro regime gone and there is a well organized opposition with an elected president waiting in the wings. So maybe the turn over can be quick. The big problem will likely be maintaining order against the cartels and without much help from the military, who might well side with the cartels.
If we get bogged down in Venezuela, even if only months rather than years, it will be very bad for the midterms.
Nation building in Venezuela isn’t a great idea. Things might turn out for the better but we shall see. In theory once the President is indisposed in Venezuela the Constitution says elections in 30 days but the legislature can delay that. I kind of doubt that will be the path of things given the history there.
A complete oil blockade will be the point of leverage. Occupying Venezuela is a complete waste of time and resources.
I’m just waiting for Thomas Friedman, Robert Reich, Paul Krugman, and the other loony commentators to wail about this raid and the unjust capture and imprisonment of Maduro.
… and here we go, the wailing and gnashing of teeth has already begun …
https://broligarchy.substack.com/p/the-threat-from-america
Derek,
Freedom? Prosperity? I guess leftists shudder at the thought..
My eyes always glaze over when people start talking about ‘breach of international law’. Obviously, the President of the United States swears no oath to uphold ‘international law’. And Maduro’s regime was not a ‘sovereign nation’, on the contrary, he hijacked a sovereign nation.
…
Boo hoo, boo hoo. Conservatives spent decades suffering from online de-platforming and de-monetization under the sainted Barrack Obama and good ‘ole Joe Biden. Cry me a river lady.
The endless tut-tutting about international law also makes me roll my eyes. International law also apparently would have had Maduro cede power after he lost his last election.
I don’t think the law of the strongest make the laws is optimal but having a bunch of progressive and leftist “human rights” lawyers running the show is likely even worse.
Organizing and running human affairs is a pretty messy business and ceding sovereign power to bureaucrats at organizations like the UN is not the answer.
so this means Marco Rubio gets another job….
President of Venezuela
I don’t know how much Venezuela will need in the way of nation building. They had 40-50 years of democracy and a developed economy before Chavez wrecked things. So there is a foundation to build on. It did not take Panama long to get back on its feet after the removal of Noriega, but things had not gotten nearly as bad there.
Mike,
I was thinking along the same lines. Whatever. I ‘get’ that we don’t want our troops mired in a peacekeeping situation in Latin America where guerilla rebels kill a few of us and then melt away into the population. I think and hope everybody agrees that that is a bad idea. Likewise, I don’t think anybody wants us pumping billions into the place.
I’m not too worried. These seem like a really obvious trap to avoid. Trump might mess this up, but I doubt he will mess it up in either of these ways.
Anyway … Definitely congratulations to the US special forces, specifically Delta Force, for a successful operation. There are many ways these operations can go sideways and the US military remains undeniably the best in the world at this kind of stuff. I can’t wait to hear the details.
“ I can’t wait to hear the details.”
Me too!
There is no such thing as international law. The basis is that there is a single ‘global’ country. It is a wet dream of the left, and not real in any way.
mark bofill wrote: “I’m not too worried. These seem like a really obvious trap to avoid. Trump might mess this up, but I doubt he will mess it up in either of these ways.”
I think there is a good chance you are right. I am sure Trump does not want to get bogged down in Venezuela. The plan is surely to turn things over quickly to the guy who won the election. My concern is that such things often do not go according to plan.
If the Venezuelan military decides to go along with the transfer of power, things should be OK. I seem to recall that is what happened in Panama after we took Noriega out. But what if the military decides to side with the cartels? That will be a big mess.
Jonathan Turley explains why the capture of Maduro is in accord with US laws:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jonathan-turley-why-capture-maduro-didnt-require-approval-from-congress#&_intcmp=fnhpbt5
A key point is that the US does not recognize Maduro as Venezuela’s legitimate head of state. It still makes me a bit queasy.
Mike M,
I too am a bit worried about getting too involved.
I think the Venezuelan military is going to recognize that resisting the will of Trump is probably unwise, and go along with regime change. If not, things could get ugly. The remaining Maduro government presents a real problem; I hope the military has the good sense to inform them it is now a good time to disappear.
On UK news they bring up oil & China as major factors for this US action. Any thoughts?
Dougie,
Venezuela has been producing only about 400,000 barrels per day. This is essentially irrelevant in the global market, where that volume could be replaced in a few weeks.
China? China may think forcing regime change in Taiwan is now more justified, but the situations are very different. Whatever else you might say about politics in Taiwan, the government is clearly the result of legitimate elections, while Maduro was an authoritarian who remained in office in spite of losing the last election (or two!). China could invade Taiwan, but it would not be the cakewalk the snatching of Maduro was. Taiwan has a very capable military.
A decade ago, Venezuela was producing about 2.5 million barrels a day. I don’t know how quickly they could get back to that, but it would be enough to put downward pressure on oil prices.
To the extent Trump cares about Venezuelan oil, it is not “we want their oil” it is “we want lower oil prices”.
https://x.com/mtracey/status/1995541759409938812?s=20
Happy New Year, Joshua. Nice to see you are still here keeping up with your reading. — Lucia
Venezuela still owes the United States oil companies about $20 billion (Grok) for the assets, they seized. I suppose that has something to do with Trump wanting to get the oil flowing again.
The steady, public, escalation against drugs and tankers is looking more like warnings for Maduro to do this voluntarily.
DaveJR,
Yes, for sure. But the left never gives up power unless it is by force. Maduro simply could not (would not ever) allow Venezuela to return to an elective, representative democracy. That is why he is gone. It is also why China will be controlled by the CCP for a very long time. Or as someone noted long ago: You can vote the left into power, but you can never vote them out of power.
In a perfectly Trumpian move, Hugo Chavez’s mausoleum in Caracas was apparently bombed to obliterate his embalmed remains, at the same time that Maduro was being abducted.
Sounds a bit like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz after the flying monkeys were done with him. 😉
Tom, this may be of interest; it’s the first presentation I’ve seen detailing the raid that captured Maduro.
The author is an OSINT poster; I have no prior experience with him, but Grok supports his credibility.
https://x.com/ianellisjones/status/2007610049686798634?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Mike M,
“I don’t know how quickly they could get back to that, but it would be enough to put downward pressure on oil prices.”
Absolutely true, but I suspect Middle Eastern countries would reduce production rather than let global prices fall very much.
A practical limitation: Venezuela’s crude is heavily loaded with asphaltenes, which require specialized refinery processes. With the big drop in Venezuelan production, it is unclear how many refineries are now set up to handle that crude.
I once characterized the (insoluble) asphaltene content of many different crude samples (for a major oil company). The Venezuelan samples almost looked like you could mix them with gravel and pave roads. Some of the very ‘light’ crudes looked exactly like a mixture of kerosene and gasoline….. and had just about the same odor.
SteveF,
Because of the asphaltene is the cost of refining this crude substantially higher than other crudes? Are there waste byproducts which have no practical use?
Corporate finance is well outside my area of expertise, but…
I would be surprised if the US oil industry is going to invest money in a country that confiscated their assets at one time and that now faces an uncertain political future. I would think things would have to stabilize before investments would start flowing.
Maybe they would require some guarantees from the US government.
Maybe they would want to wait until the oil prices look better.
I’m much impressed by this action. I guess I shouldn’t be but I’m surprised at some of the nutty things our liberal brothers are suggesting.
There’s an opportunity to handle the pacifying and “cleansing” of the military expeditiously so as to return the control of the country to the Venezuelans and get out, maybe in a few months. If it is possible to do this, we certainly should.
And if this can be done elegantly and with minimum bloodshed, it would be a far stiffer warning to other rogue states that we don’t fool around. If the apparent cost to the US is not outrageous, we may see other places where we could do this.
And maybe they’d be less comfortable screwing us around.
Color me embarrassed. I just learned that Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserve of any country in the world. It has 303 billion barrels which is more than both Iran and Saudi Arabia.
It came from this table in Forbes:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2007824965241126994?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
It’s yet another lesson in how socialists just can’t figure out how to run an economy even when vast natural resources are on the table. There were large foreign investments in Venezuela’s (oil) infrastructure.
Venezuela did the socialist wet dream thing, nationalized them, and subsequently ran them into the ground, thus disincentivizing any additional investment.
I imagine you could be economically smart and a socialist at the same time (China post 1970) but it just doesn’t seem to happen very often. Even crony capitalism > committed ideological socialism.
Venezuela’s type of crude oil is less valuable, it is “heavy sour crude” and takes additional refining. It is as heavy as molasses. It will sell for ~$10 less a barrel all things equal and currently sells for $10 less than that due to sanctions risk.
Basing your entire economy on one thing is unwise. They should be using oil profits to build secondary economic sources of income.
Apparently the US also took down the electrical grid in Caracas shortly before the operation in a cyberattack. Yikes.
After oil prices collapsed in the 80’s, Venezuela started to liberalize and diversify their economy. They had at least some success. Then Chavez got in power. His policies wrecked the private sector economy while he used temporarily high oil prices to expand government. Then when oil prices fell, they had nothing.
REUTERS….
“Oil refineries along the U.S. Gulf Coast, the country’s main refining and exporting hub, were built decades ago to process heavy-grade crude – the type Venezuela exports – for products such as gasoline, diesel and jet fuel.
Although the U.S. crude oil mix dramatically changed following the boom in domestic shale oil – a light grade – in the early 2010s, many refineries still require heavy grades to optimise operations.
Venezuelan crude exports to the U.S. reached a peak of 1.4 million bpd in 1997, when they accounted for 44% of Venezuela’s production”
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-oil-refiners-win-chinese-rivals-lose-trumps-venezuela-strike-2026-01-04/
Tom Scharf,
Exactly right about Venezuelan crude; the samples i saw looked much like molasses.
I hate contemporary replacement culture. I accidentally knocked the carafe for my mother’s coffee maker off the counter this morning. It shattered like cheap glass but I got online to get a replacement immediately after cleaninh up.
Cuisinart wanted $31 plus S&H for a replacement 5-cup carafe. Walmart would have sold me a brand new exact replacement for the entire coffee maker for $37. Meanwhile, Mom tells me she got the whole thing at Costco for $16.
Once upon a time, a replacement carafe would have been $5, maybe $10, since people are clearly going to break them once in a while, but today we just encourage people to throw away the perfectly working maker and get a new one for want of a single component.
Grrrrr …..
Thanks for the feedback/comments on the oil situation & interesting links provided.
Derek H,
Can’t you get a replacement carafe from Walmart? If you look up the product on line, you might find info on replacements, perhaps in the comments or answered questions. I once found a replacement glass lampshade that way via the Target web site. It was not from Target, but I found a link on the Target site.
Mike —
Sadly, no. I was able to find a used one on eBay for $20 plus $10 S&H (it was the carafe, filter basket, and other accessories other than the base) but I am quite sure I can get my mother a good new replacement coffee maker for $30 or less locally.
Coffee makers are cheap and easy to find, this is more of a rant about how we’ve gone from a thrifty repair culture to a wasteful replacement culture.
There’s a lot of chatter in OSINT circles about the poor performance of the Russian anti-aircraft hardware in Venezuela. Apparently they had top-of-the-line gear. Russia has recently augmented it to fill in any gaps; also, apparently they didn’t fire a single missile in defense.
Here are examples of some of the discussion: https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2007428292933025926?s=61 https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2007482207321940268?s=61
Some Russian rocket systems cooked off in spectacular fashion: https://x.com/manofonegod/status/2007418656209432935?s=61
The end is near for Scott Adams. He has fought a very public battle with cancer, including discussing it frequently on his daily live podcast. He just announced that he is becoming a believer and is going to die a Christian.
“I’ve not been a believer, but I also have respect for any Christian who goes out of their way to try to convert me, because how would I believe you believe your own religion if you’re not trying to convert me?
So I have great respect for people who care enough that they want me to convert and then go out of their way to try to convince me.
So you’re going to hear for the first time today that it is my plan to convert.
I still have time, but my understanding is you’re never too late.”
Video:
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/2007862842733785118?s=20
Trump posted a greatest hits video from the military action in Venezuela. There is real dramatic footage, including some that I posted here. If you watch it crank up the volume and listen to the rock music:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115832049332877712
Does anyone here understand how we’re going to “run” Venezuela if we’re not actually there? Are we telling them that if they don’t do what we want, we’ll invade them?
Apparently Trump and company don’t like Machado.
The idea to force change by threat of invasion or blockade or some other means seems a good one. Maybe similar to the deal the Japanese made with the Thais in 1941.
Anyone think of another example?
John Ferguson,
“Apparently Trump and company don’t like Machado.”
Nobel Peace Prize? 😉
Maybe they are just trying to have some semblance of order until elections can be held. Machado will win if there is an honest election.
John
I have no idea how we are going to run Venezuela. That’s one reason these things make me nervous.
As far as military action went, it seems to have been an efficient operation. So that aspect is nice to see. But… where will this really go? I’m nervous.
john ferguson,
I expect this is the extent to which we will “run” Venezuela: “We’ll be watching. No more abuse of protesters or imprisoning your political opponents; free all current political prisoners; schedule free and fair elections very soon, and invite lots or neutral observers to verify ‘free and fair’. Or else the CIA and (if needed) the US armed forces will make sure very bad things happen to you personally.”
Or simplified: FUFO, presented in Spanish by Marco Rubio.
Some wag has called it the “Donrow Doctrine”.
I am sure the Cuban and Nicaraguan regimes are a bit nervous.
Another Democrat shining star slinks away in disgrace:
“Tim Walz drops out of Minnesota governor’s race amid fraud scandal”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/01/05/tim-walz-exits-mn-governors-race/88028467007/#
Steve,
That was Trump actually, calling this the Dunroe Doctrine.
I too am curious to see what the concrete day to day details turn out to be.
There has been a lack of disclosed details on the number of people killed or injured during the abduction of Maduro. All I can find is 32 Cuban soldiers killed (security around Maduro) and 80 Venezuelan “security and civilian” deaths. With all the strikes on military targets, I would have guessed much higher military deaths.
Maybe the Venezuelan regime doesn’t want to inform their soldiers of the number killed/wounded.
Senator Fetterman calling out his fellow Democrats protesting against Maduro’s Capture:
“I don’t know why we can’t just acknowledge that it’s been a good thing what happened … I think we should really appreciate exactly what happened here.”
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6387253643112
Mark Bofill,
I didn’t see the “Dunroe” quote from Trump, only the “Donroe” quote in some commentary. Don’t remember exactly where.
SteveF
Relevant question: where they for Maduro’s security? Or Cuba’s?
(I don’t expect anyone to know. Just it’s not really clear.)
Here:
The scale of the fraud in Minnesota — and likely other states — is such that it’s hard to believe people high up in the state government weren’t aware of it or complicit in it. If he did participate in the fraud itself or covering it up, Walz will be lucky to escape to retirement.
lucia wrote: “I have no idea how we are going to run Venezuela. That’s one reason these things make me nervous.”
Indeed.
I think SteveF is correct that the way we will “run” Venezuela will amount to “we will be watching”.
We can’t just take Maduro and say to the Venezuelans “the rest is up to you”. That would result in either chaos or the same narco-terrorist government under a new boss.
I’m not sure what the official goals actually are with Venezuela. The unstated ones are a more friendly government to the US no doubt. One gets the feeling we are making it up as we go along.
Trying to get my head around “running” Venezuela.
Within the existing power structure, broadly defined there are three groups of people:
(1) The bad guys consisting of Maduro loyalists, the cartels, and those in league with the cartels. They need to be neutralized.
(2) The good guys who support support the opposition to Maduro and want to restore democracy. They may well be numerous in the lower ranks of the military, bureaucracy, police, etc. Not so many high up, but possibly more than a few. They need to be strongly supported.
(3) The opportunists who are willing to be on the side of whoever is winning. There are probably a lot of them. They need to be co-opted.
Allowing those in high positions to remain helps with (1) since otherwise the bad guys might form a united front. The talk about running things helps with (3) since it gives the opportunists a clear signal that they should side with the good guys.
It is going to be tricky.
Of course he may not have known how illicit the funds donated to his campaign were …
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/investigations/4379153/walz-received-10k-from-donors-tied-somali-run-care-centers/
Tom Scharf wrote: “One gets the feeling we are making it up as we go along.”
I don’t get that feeling at all. The operation to take Maduro was very carefully planned over a long period of time. The military buildup looked like we were playing by ear only because the administration kept their cards close to their vest. The fact that we did not know just what Trump was up to did not mean that there was not a carefully developed plan.
I think the aftermath is similar. There is a well thought out political plan, but we won’t know just what it is until we see it developed.
My concern is that a military operation is a lot easier to control than a political one, no matter how careful the plan for the latter.
I would also say the media ran wild with Trump’s “we will run Venezuela” off the cuff statement and you might want to listen to Rubio instead.
Walz was deliberately bling to the fraud. He shut down a large number of whistleblowers.
The elephant in the room regarding Minn. fraud is that people were hesitant to crack down on it for fear of DEI based pushback, and that is exactly what is happening now. DEI actually ended up facilitating this fraud and that is not a good look.
The legacy media’s response to the viral video was enlightening, they devoted most of their resources to attacking the person who made the video and not addressing the implications of what was shown. Anybody in the legacy media could have done this investigation but they didn’t because no editor would greenlight that project, nor would most journalists in these organizations suggest doing that. There were a couple investigations by local media that weren’t picked up by national media that effectively showed the same thing.
“The Learing Center”, LOL. That one is going to stick forever.
Mike —
It does seem like he had to be actively blind but I am also keeping open the possibility that he’s just incredibly stupid. He has demonstrated that quality repeatedly so it may be a viable defense in this case.
Derek H.
My spouse went to work for a contractor at the local airport and soon discovered that it was actually a criminal enterprise to steal commodity and submit invoices for work not actually done. She was the financial person and quickly saw what was going on; then spent the next four years collecting the evidence used to indict and convict 26 people.
This particular activity had been going on in this fashion for over 30 years. Did the authorities know about it? very probably.
She had no idea who was involved at the government level and was a bit uncertain who to broach her suspicions to, but she guessed right and was soon talking to the local (federal) inspector general.
Her government contact at the airport told her that he’d suspected this for years but could never get anyone to come forward. And of course no-one went looking either.
inspector general was new to Miami and after 6 months observed at a dinner that the interesting thing about his work there was that if it looked like a duck, waddled like a duck, quacked like a duck, it probably wasn’t a duck.
The thing that was really wonderful about corruption in Miami was our complete astonishment that anyone would think they could get away with some of the more obvious scams.
examples on request.
The thing that’s scary is that Miami is located so close to the US.
Mike M,
“Walz was deliberately bling to the fraud. He shut down a large number of whistleblowers.”
Blind, profoundly stupid, or just utterly evil. Maybe some of all three.
The fraud had the effect of pumping $billions from elsewhere into the Minnesota economy, while enriching politically favored constituents. In the best of outcomes, a certain Congresswoman who married her brother to gain US residency, then divorced him, will be proven to be involved in the fraud, stripped of her acquired citizenship and deported to Somalia.
Please, a few examples, ha ha.
Government inspectors for fraud can be complicit. Either directly through bribes or more likely indifference to the point of instructing people how to fill out paperwork correctly so their butts are covered.
The level of fraud in some of these cases is staggering. If you want big government welfare and social assistance programs there needs to be a sufficient level of societal trust that money will be spent wisely. These kind of episodes erode that trust and the activists for more government need to promote sending in a big task force to eliminate it. I don’t think they realize how damaging this is in the long term. Instead they reflexively attack the people making the accusations.
Russell.
Very good,
Unfortunately Miami wasn’t close enough to the US for us to create a profitable business selling engineering computer systems.
Federal Covid business programs lost an estimated $200 billion to fraud, or about 17% of total disbursed funds. That doesn’t even count the very questionable need for these disbursements for many businesses, where there was never any intention of laying off workers. Those questionable give-aways to businesses were likely even greater in amount than the blatant fraud.
Government should not be handing out ‘no conditions’ free money, ever.
An example. The famous Miami Hot Suits Case.
Local tailor’s place was burglarized several times, and each time some very nice suits were stolen.
At some public gathering one was seen by the tailor being worn by one of our prominent polticians. The Tailor complained and soon it was discovered that suits were being sold tax-free from a motel room. Several of our leaders were buying them in this way.
My memory, not confirmed by what I could find in a search, was that Janet Reno, Elected States attorney at the time refused to prosecute saying there was insufficient evidence.
I can remember this all so clearly and yet if you try to research any of it, most of the information I remember is not available online.
It does look as if I spent a lot of time on it, I could probably put the whole thing together.
WSJ
It’s not a “distraction”, it’s the literal job of government to prevent this.
And of course it wouldn’t be major media article without the Republicans pounce narrative. Agh.
Good example. I’m sure all that stuff on eBay is not hot either.
IIRC power tool manufacturers were starting to introduce a “phone home to unlock” model in order to address rampant theft at places like Home Depot.
“And of course it wouldn’t be major media article without the Republicans pounce narrative. ”
Republicans have been complaining of fraud (and abuse) in government expenditures for my entire life! They must get awfully tired of ‘pouncing’ on fraud.
I will note that the PPP did have the desired effect in at least one situation that I know of personally. My sister and her husband have a small business and the PPP loans were vital to keeping that business running through the pandemic.
I haven’t looked at their bank accounts but I know they haven’t improved their standard of living so it sure isn’t evident if they skimmed any money personally from PPP. My guess is that the vast majority of recipients are in the same boat and the number of fraudsters is very low but that low number committed an enormous amount of fraud.
Another Miami example.
a County Commisioner was in charge of art in public places. Over several years, large bronze sculptures began to appear in his front yard on Miami beach. Out ever alert Miami Herald reporters noticed that the artist behind his front yard wors was the same as the person receiving many of the contracts for sculptures to be located around the county.
Our hero was asked about it and was kind enough to save the state the trouble of investigating the case. He we told the reporters that his sculptures wsere gifts of the fellow to whom he’d awarded all of the other projects.
He had no idea there was anything wrong with this and had assumed this sort of tit for tat was how the sytemn worked.
One of my Miami stories….
We had a potential client deal that involved a garbage hauling firm in Miami. The father had been active in garbage hauling in New Jersey. When the family relocated to Miami, the three sons took over the hauling business. I was dealing with the three sons. Their names were Big Jake, Little Jake, and Scarface.
Honest.
In early 2024, we received a request from a Federal agency for a quotation for an instrument. There were many documents to fill out and and hoops to jump through until the purchase order was finally received. When the order was filled, we asked when they would like to have set-up and on site training. They said “we’ll let you know”. That was almost two years ago. In December, they told us they were ready for training, on January 6, 2026. Government is pure madness.
this post wins my Internet for today:
“ I want to live between two day care centers in Minneapolis because I hate being around kids.”
Mark, this may interest you.
This is a video about how the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office changed from the Sig Sauer P320 handgun to the Walther PDP.
https://x.com/sarasotasheriff/status/2008290655265546528?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
John wrote: “An example. The famous Miami Hot Suits Case.”
Given the age, I thought this would be a good AI search test.
This was the question : “What can you find out about suits being stolen in miami and being sold onto other, including politicians with the culprit not charged by janet reno?”
It took Grok a whole 2mins 30 of searching to come up with this:
“The “Hot Suits Case” was a 1987 scandal in Miami involving the sale of high-end men’s suits at suspiciously low prices (e.g., $275 suits for $125 each) from an unlicensed makeshift store in a duplex. The store did not collect sales tax or accept credit cards, which raised red flags. Miami police raided the location, alleging the merchandise was stolen, and initially charged the store owner with grand theft and racketeering.db0f8928f224
Several influential people in South Florida purchased suits from this vendor, including John Hogan, a senior prosecutor in the Dade County State Attorney’s office at the time. Hogan bought two suits just days before his appointment as Florida’s first statewide prosecutor (a role focused on organized crime). After learning the suits might be stolen, he delayed reporting it to his boss, Dade State Attorney Janet Reno, for nearly three months to avoid embarrassing her. This undermined his credibility, leading him to resign the statewide post after only nine months, though he was retained as a special adviser to the Attorney General and later rehired by Reno as her chief assistant.afaea8b07a833d3f515b758b
Other buyers reportedly included a city manager (a political appointee/public official), who was charged in connection with the case. However, Hogan—a longtime Reno deputy—was not charged and continued his career under her, eventually becoming her chief of staff when she became U.S. Attorney General in 1993. The investigation ultimately fizzled out with little outcome: later determinations found that at least some suits (including Hogan’s) were not actually stolen, and they were returned to the buyers. Hogan donated his to Goodwill. No further prosecutions of buyers or the seller are documented in available records, and Governor Bob Martinez dropped a separate probe into Hogan’s conduct after his resignation.6b8e123143b7443744ae8e93
Janet Reno, as Dade State Attorney, oversaw the initial investigation through her office but did not pursue charges against Hogan or apparently other key buyers, despite the scandal. Critics at the time suggested favoritism, as Hogan was her trusted aide, while others like the city manager faced consequences. No direct evidence of sales to elected politicians beyond public officials (e.g., the city manager) was found, though “influential people” were broadly implicated. The case became a minor blot on Reno’s record but didn’t derail her career or Hogan’s association with her.8255b7ed6f7980101273f869
No other matching incidents involving stolen suits in Miami, sales to politicians, or Reno’s decisions not to charge were identified in historical records or recent discussions.”
“The case became a minor blot on Reno’s record but didn’t derail her career or Hogan’s association with her.”
Which was most unfortunate, since Reno later ending up killing a bunch of kids for no good reason. Probably the second worst AG the USA ever had… after Eric Holder, the title holder. Reno was denied public office by Florida primary voters after the Clinton administration, which was a very good thing for Florida.
38.6 Trillion
Debt
Just logged onto the DOGE site which gives the most amazing summary of not only DOGE savings but also an incredibly complicated summary of the US financial status breaking it down into states as well ( not one in the green!)
And future trends
Increasing 1 trillion per 90 days but slowed down to over 245 days and more to go for this trillion.
Going backwards today!
Worth a look all.
Bravo Dave JR, that’s exactly how I remember it. I need to share some of what seemed to me to be evasion in the Perplexity response.
Thank you Russell.
To the best of my recollection I’ve never fired a Walther of any sort, but it looked like a good firearm.
angech,
Web address?
Lucia –
I hope you’ll be willing to extend to your dear denizens my appreciation for their confidence in the deep planning of the Trump admin – the same Trump that claimed water released from lakes in Cali could be used to fight the fires in LA, the same Trump who claimed that the COVID pandemic would just fade away in Spring of 2020, the same Trump who claims that blowing up those boats from Argentina would materially reduce deaths from opioid ODs (even though they aren’t carrying opioids).
Their ability as Trump apologists is a sight to behold and a thing of beauty
Hi Joshua. It’s always fun to read your long, winding, and dense comments. I’m sure the denizens will enjoy the performance. — lucia
On November 19, 2025 at 1:15 pm I wrote; “I think that Plan A is to convince Maduro that he is done and arrange for some country to take him as an exile. So Trump gets Maduro out of power and Maduro gets to live.”
I think I was right about that. Now it looks like the next step is to pressure Maduro’s successor to reverse many of his policies and to have elections, then turn over power to the winner. And she knows what will happen if she does not play ball.
Gemini Pro whiffed on the tailor scandal:
Lucia,
Thanks for that injection of clown-car level humor.
Mike M,
I’ll bet right about now Maduro is wishing he had resigned and fled to Cuba back in November or December. It was a big mistake to stay after Trump told him he a had to leave.
SteveF
JANUARY 5, 2026 AT 7:05 PM
angech,
Web address?
Doge.gov
I read that Maduro’s next court hearing is scheduled for March 17…. That’s a long time to sit incommunicado in a maximum security facility.
The destruction of the Venezuelan economy in one graph:
https://inflationdata.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Oil-June-2025.png
Chaves was initially a pragmatist, allowing continued capitalism, when first elected in 1999, because oil prices were low and the petroleum industry generated only modest profits. But he began a systemic overhaul of the constitution, allowing him ever more power to dictate policy.
As oil prices began to rise (and with them profits), Chavez adopted more aggressive socialist plans, including taking control of broadcast media. By 2005, the price of oil had reached levels not seen for 15+ years, and Chavez took complete control of the petroleum industry, milking it for money he gave to poorer Venezuelans….. but not properly investing in maintenance/renovation. The price of petroleum continued to rise to very high levels, and having nationalized all petroleum production, the Chavez government had ever more funds to maintain control and power. Chavez’s final years in office corresponded to an average oil price of US$120+ per barrel in today’s dollars.
The petroleum party ended shortly after Chavez died in 2013, with Maduro inheriting a combination of rapidly falling oil prices and aging equipment in poor condition. That (plus sanctions) led to ever declining petroleum profits, and declining ability to buy the votes needed to stay in power. Maduro was forced to become more authoritarian, and more closely aligned with Cuba, combined with arrests (and murders!) of opponents, and violent suppression of popular protests.
Once past the “political high” of having stolen most private property, Socialism never works. The goose that lays the golden eggs is always killed in the end.
I don’t have any secret sources inside the country of Iran, but there is an awful lot of seemingly reliable sources, saying the protests are now widespread throughout the country
Trump does not appear to care very much about the form of government in Venezuela, only that it is friendly to the USA and better serves our interests. He continues to be transactional in nature, if anything his guiding ideology is still America First without a lot of religious ideology attached nor caring too much about the outcomes of other nations.
Many people want American values shoved down the throat of other nations, notably * their * American values, and not the opposing party’s. Trump is nakedly self interested in his country’s outcomes.
This is more or less how everybody has operated for centuries but with a recent patina of diplomatic morals on top (EU style). Trump has thrown that charade to the curb, the faculty lounge has been excommunicated from policy making.
Will there be better outcomes? Hard to say. I never had much patience for the self righteous sermonizing but it doesn’t cost much. We had too much of it and now we have none of it.
Tom,
I’m not sure that’s true. I don’t know what it costs us. I suspect that part of the problems in Afghanistan involved a disconnect between perceived reality on high and facts on the ground due to dogmatic insistence on imposing American values, or rather reporting up the chain that American values were being adhered to. To some extent it was real but the rapidity with which it evaporated strongly implies it was always just an expensive mirage to a large extent. At least that’s my speculation and take.
mark Bofill,
“To some extent it was real but the rapidity with which it evaporated strongly implies it was always just an expensive mirage to a large extent.”
Agree 100%.
Rephrasing the old Russian joke about working under the communists: The Afghans pretended to believe in American values, and we pretended to believe them. You need only a brief exposure to Islamic culture to recognize that ‘nation building’ was pure madness.
I sure hope that Venezuelans recognize socialism was a catastrophe for the country, and they choose to build a free and prosperous society, but it is up to them, not us.
I have an identity theft situation going on via PayPal and I asked Gemini how to deal with it. It gave me a fraud support line at PayPal that turned out to be a scam line, ha ha.
Gemini: “Direct Contact: Call the PayPal Pay Later support line at 1-833-412-6501. This is the dedicated number for monthly installment plans.”
Support rep: “What we need you to do is download this app onto your iPhone so we can immediately process your refund”.
Oh brother. It might be just me, but there seems to be scams everywhere now.
Tom,
Yes! People should be cautious about this for sure! I have heard many reports of people gaming AI’s (the way AI’s search, learn and summarize) for fraud purposes. Don’t blindly trust libraries it recommends you download and use! That was the example that really caught my eye.
What I meant to say is the high handed moralizing doesn’t cost much if you are still just executing self interested policy. The recent political game was sending different patronizing messages to different groups, before Trump blew it all up.
That’s what I see the EU doing. For example total BS about protecting privacy from the corporate overlords but actually just taxing the US tech sector.
Steve, you would like the GPT-OSS-120B I’m working with. It tells me we are an ‘echo chamber’ here, when I share bits of our discussion with it. Not a whole lot of prioritizing ‘asskissery’ going on in that LLM! Hah.
Tom Scharf wrote: “Many people want American values shoved down the throat of other nations”.
That is a big part of what went wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan. As mark says, the “self righteous sermonizing” has been massively expensive in those cases.
In Panama and Grenada there was no need to shove our values down anybody’s throats. In both cases, regime change worked out well. In Grenada, the anniversary of the invasion is a national holiday.
Venezuela had a capitalist democracy for a half century before they learned that while you can vote socialists into office, you can’t vote them out. So I don’t think there is any values problem there.
But Venezuela has an institutional problem since, unlike Panama, their institutions have all been destroyed or corrupted. So there needs to be a period of transition from the current regime back to capitalism and democracy. That is going to be very tricky.
I have no doubt that Trump wants to see democracy restored in Venezuela. He has clearly decided that the best way to get there is to co-opt the remnants of the current regime in the near term. I sure hope he can pull it off.
The self-righteous sermonizers would have us rapidly dismantle the current regime including the military. That would probably work out about as well as it did in Iraq.
I for one prefer the straightforward honest approach. We’re not telling Venezuela how to run their country, we’re just telling them
1) we don’t want narcoterrorists flooding our country with these drugs
2) we want to be reimbursed for the oil and facilities stolen by Chavez and Maduro, and
3) we would prefer a friendly government over a hostile one.
Telling the Afghanis what kind of government they should have was foolhardy. I’m not happy that Trump was talking with the Taliban during his first term but Bush should never have extended the mission to nation-building. “You broke it, you fix it” was a Powell-ism. I’d rather Bush have said, “you were already broken and we don’t know how to fix you, you need to do this yourself but we won’t tolerate al Qaeda or the Taliban.”
No doubt dismantling the Iraq security forces caused chaos. We do have to be careful and not overlearn from every mistake we make, different solutions for different problems.
We shall see how it all pans out, Trump seems to be lucky (or wise ha ha) in outcomes more often than not. His tariffs are so far not the disaster they were predicted to be, but not exactly a panacea either. There is nothing wrong with trying experimental policy out as long as you aren’t wed to it.
Tucker Carlson has either gone insane or is strictly running a show for the suckers at this point. With very high confidence, there is no meaningful connection between gay marriage and our reasons for deposing Maduro whatsoever. I don’t know why anybody continues to take Carlson seriously. He’s the equivalent of a ‘shock jock’ entertainer at this point and little more as far as I can tell.
The Russian military, in particularly Russian military hardware, has been downgraded in world opinion over the past years. This last venture in Venezuela may be the final nail in the coffin for Russian military equipment. nobody wants that Russian junk. Buy American.
“According to military experts, Venezuela had the most powerful and multi-layered air defense network in Latin America. There are also reports that Russia has transferred its air defense systems to Venezuela in the fall of 2025.”
Mike M,
I believe several of the remaining members of Maduro’s government are under criminal inditements similar to that against Maduro. So maybe Trump and Co. are counting on the threat of abduction to push them in the direction of agreeing to Trump’s demands. I suspect a few will find their way to Cuba, but most will stay. That is a big gamble, considering some of these folks were involved with imprisoning, torturing, and killing opposition leaders. My advice: Save yourselves, flee to Cuba.
Mark Bofill,
“I don’t know why anybody continues to take Carlson seriously. ”
I haven’t for a long time. He is convinced alien spaceships are already here. Yikes! The guy has no connection to reality.
SteveF wrote: ” My advice: Save yourselves, flee to Cuba.”
Sounds like good advice. Maybe that is part of the plan: Let the worst members of the regime self-deport.
WSJ:
I find this bizarre, Maduro doesn’t have Venezuelans protecting him? I had no idea how deeply embedded Cuba was here. Apparently Cuba specializes in leftist dictator security. They didn’t do so well this time.
https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuela-cuba-maduro-trump-intelligence-f7b127f4?st=9RUj1h&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Carlson is more firmly grounded in reality than members of the Obama or Biden administrations were but that’s really not saying much. I haven’t had much use for him since he demeaned the “Crossfire” kinds of exchanges and don’t bother watching or listening to him.
Maduro probably didn’t trust members of his own army with his protection. Best to rely on comrade Castro … (I’m laughing).
Derek H
Well there’s nothing new about having foreign nationals running your security. Swiss Guard anyone?
Hampton Inn in MN refuses to book DHS employees. It very, very, predictably doesn’t end well for them.
At least Hilton appears to be moving rather quickly to avoid a Bud Light marketing fiasco. The GSA has also removed the hotel for all government employees.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/06/hilton-hotels-dhs-minneapolis-immigration-ban.html
I don’t know this author, but he seems to know what he’s talking about. This is strategic analysis of why Greenland is so important to the defense of the United States. It involves intercepting Russian ICBMs at the top of their trajectory.
Makes sense, look at the map (Mercator projection) provided.
https://x.com/object_zero_/status/2008524560891588691?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
(caution, it might all be hogwash)
Russell,
We used to have such equipment in Greenland. Maybe we still do.
it seems what Trump is choking on is the increased ship traffic north of Russia and soon north of Canada due (gasp) to warming.
excuse me, I meant to say not a Mercator projection
Tom Scharf,
Stupidity, without an upper bound. Who could have thought this was a good idea? I can’t imagine. Many states have laws prohibiting discrimination by hotels, restaurants and the like; dunno about Minnesota, but if they do, the loony leftists in Minnesota will likely let the hotel slide.
The hotel is owned by four people ‘of Indian (south asian) descent’
The US doesn’t have any effective defense against a Russian nuclear missile strike. I think the typical flight paths are more over Canada and Alaska. Most missile detection of land launches are through space based systems. We know where their silos are and they know where ours are and we look at those with interest.
They have already demonstrated hypersonic ICBM’s and along with submarines and air systems we will be stuck at deterrence only for decades is my best guess.
Now … we could build a missile defense that would likely be partially effective, such as we saw in Israel but only letting through 25% of nukes may not be a success. The Russians would counter with better nukes, etc. Perhaps we could bankrupt them again in a money shoveling contest of an arms race but I say we just forego the entire exercise.
Minnesota statute:
“363A.11 PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS.
Subdivision 1.Full and equal enjoyment of public accommodations.(a) It is an unfair discriminatory practice:
(1) to deny any person the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of a place of public accommodation because of race, color, creed, religion, disability, national origin, marital status, sexual orientation, sex, or gender identity, or for a taxicab company to discriminate in the access to, full utilization of, or benefit from service because of a person’s disability; or…….”
Oddly enough, nothing about denying services based on employer. Can Republicans be discriminated against? I would not be at all surprised.
I suppose they can refuse the business, but they can also suffer the consequences of doing that. They probably don’t want to host the porn awards convention along side the bible store annual meeting.
Hilton took swift and decisive action to prevent a nuclear social media reaction. Crisis averted.
The management of the hotel lost their minds. I don’t think a roundup of the room cleaners was imminent.
https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2008228888795861244
Lucia –
Still hoping you’ll express my deep appreciation to the apologists for stuff like this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/
Hi Joshua. Another argument-by-link performance duly noted. — lucia
Greenland is a choke point for naval traffic from the Russian ports on the northern side and has great visibility for any northerly launches (space or missile). There is a reason we have had a missile warning radar there for decades. Iceland is also a key location but has less available land, greater population, and volcanoes.
I think it’s stupid of Trump to poke our Danish allies in the eyes about this but it *is* strategic geography.
it would be helpful if someone from the administration would explain what they see as the strategic importance of Greenland, instead of us all out here guessing.
Pardon my skepticism, but I don’t think Trump’s made interest in Greenland is strategic defense. I think it’s mineral wealth.
From Grok:
“Greenland is rich in mineral deposits, particularly rare earth elements (REEs) and other critical minerals.
Greenland hosts some of the world’s largest untapped REE deposits, along with substantial reserves of graphite, zinc, copper, nickel, gold, iron ore, and more. A 2023 survey identified potential for 25 of the 34 critical raw materials listed by the European Commission.”
Some local news that may affect your area in the coming weeks:
“Even patients who received a flu shot are not fully protected. Dr. Reynolds says this variant, nicknamed the “super flu,” is new and was not incorporated in this season’s vaccine.”
“At Sarasota Doctors Hospital, doctors say the spike in cases started around Christmas and is showing no signs of slowing down. On average, 80 to 90 patients are coming into the emergency room each day, with about a quarter testing positive for influenza, mostly influenza A.”
We often get a spike in flu because of all the visitors coming at Christmas time. Tourists bring their money and spread it around, but they also bring the flu and spread it around.
I’m gonna dig out my mask.
SteveF
You can be discriminated against for political views, so yes.
SteveF,
Developer I worked for refused to sell a house in Boca Raton to an attorney. He’d said something during pre-sale discussions that Tom thought presaged later problems. There were some initial legal skirmishes, but it was concluded that lawyers are not a protected class.
Pardon my skepticism, but I don’t think Trump’s made interest in Greenland is strategic defense. I think it’s mineral wealth. From Grok: “Greenland is rich in mineral deposits, particularly rare earth elements (REEs) and other critical minerals.China has spent the last couple of decades locking down the sourcing of minerals, (98% of Ga, 95% of Mg, 90% of NB 80% of Gr, Bi, and W) so in that respect there is a strategic interest though not directly defense. They’ve made it difficult to not use them for a lot of products by controlling the source materials.
Andrew,
I agree. I suspect that Trump will eventually get around to offering a large number of dollars (perhaps $1 trillion?) to Denmark, which might be enough to get their attention. After all he’s all about making deals. The stuff about not ruling out military action is just the usual “don’t make unilateral concessions”. [Plus, it distracts opposition with hypotheticals instead of allowing them to focus on real issues.]
I suspect that even such a large $$ value would still be a good deal. Alaska worked out very well indeed.
Greenland is important because of both location and mineral resources. It is because of the former that we have military bases there. It is because of both that the Chinese want in.
A decade ago, Greenland really needed to upgrade their airports, some of which are used by our military as way stations to our bases. The Danes did not want to spend the money, so when the Chinese offered to do it, the Danes were going to accept the offer. Until Trump told them not to.
I think that was the genesis of the current concern with Greenland since it indicated that the Danes might be the reliable partners we need.
Extracting Greenland’s mineral wealth might or might be economically viable. It almost surely won’t be with the greenies in Copenhagen setting the rules. But the Chinese might be willing to lose money on it just to maintain their control of supply.
So Trump’s concern with Greenland, which is probably actually the Pentagon’s concern, is likely well founded.
HaroldW
How can he pay it unless Congress funds that? Real question. I think the constitutional answer is he can’t. But I don’t know. I know we bought Alaska and the Northwest territories.
We are not going to buy Greenland we are not going to take it by force. Trump is putting pressure on Denmark to make changes. Of course, he does not say what his bottom line is. It might be just to push Denmark to make it easier for US companies to develop the mineral resources. Or it might be to promote Greenland’s independence, which is something that most Greenlanders want. An independent Greenland would almost surely be close to the US, perhaps even with a Compact of Free Association, like the Marshall Islands.
Lucia,
Well, the hotel’s owners just made about the world’s dumbest business decision. Rather than actually change policy as they announced they would, they lied in an effort to keep the Hilton affiliation, while continuing to refuse reservations based on politics.
Their reservation system is gone, their national advertising is gone, and they no longer have any “stamp of approval” from a national hotel chain….. nor are they likely to get another. Proving yourself to be a dishonest counterparty tends to reduce your business options.
They paid $15 million for the hotel and franchise a couple of years ago; I rather doubt the hotel is worth that now.
I doubt US$160K per Dane ($1 trillion total) would even get their attention, since the money would never be allowed to reach individual Danes. Congress would never approve the money anyway, even if Trump called it “Viking reparations”. 😉
Developing resources in Greenland is exactly what the Danes have always rejected. They want the island to remain as it is in perpetuity.
Mike M,
” Or it might be to promote Greenland’s independence, which is something that most Greenlanders want. ”
How do you know that?
Ethnic Composition
Greenlandic Inuit: About 89.5%
Danish: Approximately 7.5%
Other Nordic and others: Remaining percentage
You might (comically) argue that taking over Greenland would be a “liberation” of the ethnic majority dominated by the Danish minority. 😉
AI search assistasnt says:
“Overview of Greenland’s Economy
Greenland’s economy is characterized as small, mixed, and vulnerable. It heavily relies on the fishing industry and substantial financial support from the Danish government. The economy has faced challenges, including a declining population and limited infrastructure.
Key Economic Sectors
Fishing Industry
Contribution: The fishing sector is the backbone of Greenland’s economy, accounting for over 90% of exports.
Main Products: Key exports include shrimp and Greenland halibut.
Economic Impact: Fishery exports were valued at approximately 5.3 billion DKK in 2023, representing 23% of GDP.
Public Sector
Employment: About 43% of Greenlanders work in government roles, significantly higher than in many other countries.
Government Support: The Danish government provides around 20% of Greenland’s GDP through annual grants, which fund public services and infrastructure.
Mining and Natural Resources
Potential: Greenland is rich in untapped mineral resources, including oil, gold, and rare earth elements. However, development is hindered by infrastructure challenges and environmental concerns.
Economic Challenges
Population Decline: Greenland’s population is projected to decrease by 20% by 2050, affecting labor supply and economic growth.
Public Finances: Recent reports indicate deteriorating public finances, with a need for fiscal tightening measures due to declining revenues from government-owned firms.
Future Prospects
Greenland aims to diversify its economy and reduce dependence on Danish subsidies. Efforts include attracting foreign investment, particularly from the U.S., and promoting tourism, which has seen growth in recent years. However, significant challenges remain, including infrastructure development and environmental sustainability.”
43% are government employees!?! Sounds very European.
Andrew, your post:
“China has spent the last couple of decades locking down the sourcing of minerals, (98% of Ga, 95% of Mg, 90% of NB 80% of Gr, Bi, and W) so in that respect there is a strategic interest though not directly defense.”
Thank you, Andrew. I completely missed that point.
Test
“He’d said something during pre-sale discussions that Tom thought presaged later problems.”
I’ve had a couple customers who started talking about problems they had with previous developers / contractors. I always ask for details because this is a giant red flag. Occasionally it is the previous developers at fault (withholding design files, etc.) but most of the time it is them pushing around the help Trumpian style.
For the most part my business relationships have been conflict free as most people who run a “nearly” successful business have been around the block and know how things work.
I’ve had situations where a new customer and an old customer had a contentious relationship that left me in the messy middle.
This may be important (but maybe not):
Over the past 24 hours, dozens of U.S. Air Force aerial refueling tankers and heavy military transport aircraft, including C-5 and C-17 types, have departed from the United States and from American airbases in the UK and Germany, heading toward the Middle East.
Here is the current (11 AM Florida time) live screenshot of four USAF KC-135 Stratotankers arriving in the region:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2008932661637623863
I have no idea what their mission is.
On contentious customers– my husband has ordered a ballroom dance smooth suit. I chatted with the tailor about problem customer (me tutoring, dance teachers– students– and tailors.) He notes red flags….. Jim isn’t one of them. 🙂
“China has spent the last couple of decades locking down the sourcing of minerals, (98% of Ga, 95% of Mg, 90% of NB 80% of Gr, Bi, and W) … ”
At first I thought “Gr” was a typo for “Ge” (i.e. Germanium) but perhaps it means Greenlandium?
The US military seized two oil tankers at sea today. One was in the Caribbean and one was in the north Atlantic. The one in the north Atlantic had a Russian flag and was being shadowed by Russian warships and submarine. The worships did nothing to interfere with the US military.
When I was hiring for Arcadia Systems, I used to take serious contenders to dinner and if I could get them drunk enough to loosen up.
Jan and I were quite charmed by the guy who regaled us with all of the way he was screwing his present employer, all the time with his wife kicking him under the table.
Graphite. Used the IMA symbol instead of C.
Andrew P,
The mineral list for Greenland does not include the symbol for the material most common in Greenland and most relevant to Trump’s fantasies:
Uo —- Unobtainium
😉
Acquiring Greenland is not going to happen.
US Secretary of State William H. Seward was the primary advocate for the purchase of Alaska. Horace Greeley’s New York Tribune called it “Seward’s Folly” and we all know how it turned out.
Did you all realize we may be less than a month away from the next manned trip to the Moon? (The crew includes a woman astronaut, so I guess it’s not just manned.)
https://www.space.com/space-exploration/artemis/historic-artemis-2-moon-launch-may-be-just-1-month-away
A woman protesting ICE arrests in Minneapolis, blocked a street with her car until an ICE officer tells her to get out of the car and tries to open the door. She turns the front wheels right, and pulls away quickly, towards another ICE officer….. who shoots her through the windshield and kills her.
It will be interesting to see if Minnesota attempts to arrest the iCE officer. My bet: no, they won’t.
I find it very strange that people think it a good idea to interfere with ICE agents enforcing long-standing Federal immigration law.
They aren’t going to land on the moon, but circumnavigate it as a leadup to an actual landing several years from now. It will be the first time humans have left earth’s orbit in about 50 years. Should be exciting.
At the moment the human lander program is a complete mess and we shall how that pans out. My guess is significant delays.
I wish we would have skipped the moon and gone directly to Mars. Best case now is we reproduce something we did 50 years ago using slide rules, and worst case is …
The first shot the officer fired was when he was standing in front of the vehicle as it was moving toward him. I consider that self-defense. It appears the second and third shots were fired by the officer while he was standing beside the vehicle, shooting into the open driver’s side window. I’m not sure that that’s what happened, but if it is, I doubt that the second and third shots followed proper protocol.
Video:
https://x.com/josheakle/status/2008970977699639681
Driving a car at a police officer is considered a lethal threat almost everywhere and police can use lethal force to stop the driver. Plenty of people have been shot to death this way and the officer is rarely charged.
However police procedures are usually that an officer is to never stand directly in front of a perp’s car in order to avoid this potentially fatal snap decision making. The ICE agent here looked to not be following that protocol (if he was even trained for it or under the restrictions of that protocol).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU
It looks like the (stupid, stupid, stupid) driver decided to try to get away after the situation escalated but was basically forced to drive directly at the officer who was standing too close and in front of the vehicle which he had at gunpoint.
So split decision IMO. Officer not handling it properly and perp playing the usual starring role in their own demise. One common outcome is officer is disciplined but not criminally charged. It’s ICE in MN so it could go anywhere.
What should have happened in a perfect world?
1. No need to draw your weapon here for some a**hole just blocking traffic (no know felony here AFAICT).
2. If you draw your weapon then you stand aside and give the car a clear path of escape. Do not fire if there is an escape attempt.
3. The car is allowed to drive away and a pursuit occurs which hopefully has a chance of a better outcome. Additional charges for escape attempt.
Whether these are fair rules is up for debate. Police are held to a higher standard that us loser citizens.
To make it clear, my personal opinion is play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The protesters are engaging in dangerous behavior. No sympathy for them from me. I had no sympathy for Kyle Rittenhouse’s victims nor would I have had sympathy for him either if the situation was reversed.
3 weeks ago another ICE protester in MN throws themselves in front of a car.
https://youtu.be/nl3P3xsHb7g?t=166
Given the number of engagements of escalating protesters versus lightly trained ICE agents this type of event was bound to happen.
Tom Scharf,
“Should be exciting.”
Terrfying might be more accurate. I wouldn’t take that ride. And terrifying for the taxpayer…$95 billion and counting…… with no upper bound in sight.
“To make it clear, my personal opinion is play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Sure, but interfering with a federal law enforcement officer, who is enforcing the law, is (I believe) always a Federal felony. I find it a bit like Alice in Wonderland that anybody thinks a) people present illegally ought not be subject to immigration laws, and b) people should be able to interfere with Federal law enforcement without consequence.
Should the guy have shot her? Donno, he may have been able to avoid that. It could be the agents were planing to arrest her, so he tried to block her from escape. Simple prudence: never drive your car toward someone holding a gun; it may be the very last thing you do.
“To make it clear, my personal opinion is play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Sure, but interfering with a federal law enforcement officer, who is enforcing the law, is (I believe) a Federal felony. I find it a bit like Alice in Wonderland that anybody thinks a) people present illegally in the USA ought not be subject to immigration laws, and b) people should be able to interfere with Federal law enforcement without consequence.
Should the guy have shot her? Donno, he may have been able to avoid that. It could be the agents were planing to arrest her, so he tried to block her from escape. Simple prudence: never drive your car toward someone holding a gun; it may be the very last thing you do.
Sorry about the double comment…. donno how that happened.
Tom Scharf wrote: “in a perfect world … The car is allowed to drive away and a pursuit occurs “.
NO! NO! NO!
A car chase puts innocent people at risk.
Regarding the US/Greenland news frenzy, I found this article from April 24, 2025 interesting – https://thediplomat.com/2025/04/greenland-eyes-china-amid-denmark-us-tensions-but-chinese-investors-wont-rush-in/
The counterargument is traffic violations should not result in fatal police shootings.
The counter-counterargument is it is very unwise to put your life in the hands of an agitated law enforcement officer, agitated intentionally by you, and making him make a split second decision on whether to fire his weapon.
It hard to see, but it appears the protesters were using their cars in a coordinated action to slow down the ICE officers by continuously pulling in front of them and blocking the road. It’s either a traffic violation or obstructing law enforcement. Either way death is a permanent penalty.
Using cars for obstructing wasn’t well thought out, this was a predictable outcome.
And now a word from the nation-building neocons: https://nypost.com/2026/01/04/opinion/mike-pompeo-next-step-for-venezuela-and-iran-is-a-us-push-for-democracy/
Pompeo has been wrong about nearly every foreign policy. That is why he was rejected by primary voters. He should stop advocating for quagmires.
“Using cars for obstructing wasn’t well thought out, this was a predictable outcome.”
Yes, but if a traffic violation, where were the local police? It was obvious, coordinated, obstruction of Federal law enforcement.
What the DOJ should do is gather all the license plate numbers of the other cars, then arrest and prosecute each driver for obstruction.
Federal immigration laws apply, even in Minnesota.
Right. The question is whether there was a better way to apprehend these jerks without a fatal encounter. ID the driver / vehicle. File charges and arrest them the next day at their home.
From the police training perspective it is giving stupid people less opportunity to create that fatal encounter. For example don’t walk closely in front of the vehicle.
Not always so simple of course, these are gut reactions that take significant training to overcome. I think you give the police a long leash here but not infinite leash. Probably fire the officer (mostly for the second and third shots as the car drove by) but not charge him criminally. I don’t think he will fair well in a civil wrongful death case. MN will probably try to indict and prosecute him but I expect this to fail.
I strongly disagree. Coddling people indulging in dangerous criminal behavior only encourages more dangerous criminal behavior. Enough already.
mark bofill,
Yup, prosecute and imprison….. do not let it slide.
Change venue to North Dakota.
A second angle shows the car actually made contact with the officer about the same moment of the shooting so this may end up being vital to the defense.
It will also be important what the exact policy is for using deadly force, I’d expect this to be authorized when a vehicle is arguably being used as a weapon (debatable here) but it is also arguable that deadly force was not necessary in hindsight.
The woman was likely trying to drive away but we have no views from the officer’s perspective. The ICE agents didn’t have body cameras.
“The administration has argued agents are immune to prosecution by state or local officials.”
If this is true then it is unlikely he will be prosecuted. He was performing his duties here.
Mark, your post:
“Coddling people indulging in dangerous criminal behavior only encourages more dangerous criminal behavior. Enough already.”
I think it’s far too early in the investigation to exonerate the officer in the shooting.
The victim was not a target of the ice raid but was either an innocent bystander or a peaceful protester.
The situation escalated when federal officers approached her vehicle and reached into the open driver’s window while the other officer stood in front of her car to block it.
I would not at all be surprised if the officer is found [at least] to not be following proper protocol.
Federal sources confirmed she was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal warrants or involvement in illegal activity tied to the raid.
Russell Klier wrote: “The victim was not a target of the ice raid but was either an innocent bystander or a peaceful protester.”
She was neither. She was actively impeding federal officers in the execution of her duties. She disobeyed an order to get out of her car. Then, at a minimum, she attempted to flee the scene. In the process, she drove into a law enforcement officer. I am sure she committed multiple felonies. She was certainly not innocent.
Maybe she did not intend to run over the ICE agent. And maybe a guy who points a gun at a cop does not intend to shoot. It does not matter, since a cop can’t read minds.
I don’t think the officer who was hit was initially in front of the car. He was off to the right side of it. When the driver turned the car, it brought the officer in front of it.
We can not expect officers to read minds or see the future. Maybe the officer who fired the shots did not handle things perfectly, but it seems to me his actions were reasonable.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. And unfair.
On the face it appears she was clearly trying to block ICE vehicles as part of a protest. If you listen to the video you will here people screaming and whistling as part of some ICE protest of some sort. The person who shot the video was clearly a protester by her own words (shame, shame!) and filming for a reason. The second angle of the incident shown from a house was also already filming for a reason, the ongoing ruckus.
She then clearly attempted to flee. Perhaps she was an innocent bystander who tried to turn around in the middle of a surprise street protest, then got scared when police approached her car, then she inadvertently struck an officer thinking this was a carjacking. Maybe she is very unlucky, but then again Michael Brown was said to be a gentle giant until he wasn’t.
We will see how it all plays out. The video is instructive and will probably be all we will ever need to know. The (agitated) officers knew only what they knew at the time and that was what they should be judged on.
The shooting is going to turn out badly for the administration. Just like the Kent State shootings did not deter us in the 60s, it spurred us on. We had murders to avenge. We had to get Nixon. The resistance exploded in numbers.
I think the anti-ICE movement now has a martyr. It will have renewed energy and a renewed sense of righteousness.
The Democrats, the Media, Academia and the crazies will all unite behind the cause.
Grok on the effects of the Kent State murders:
“ • The event sparked the largest student strike in U.S. history, involving an estimated 4 million students across hundreds of universities, colleges, and even high schools.
• More than 450–900 campuses shut down partially or fully, with strikes, walkouts, rallies, and teach-ins spreading rapidly in the days following May 4.
• Protests intensified on campuses nationwide, including massive demonstrations (e.g., 100,000 in Washington, D.C., on May 9) and escalated actions at places like Ohio State University.
This surge galvanized the anti-war movement in the short term, turning Kent State into a symbol of government overreach and fueling outrage against the Vietnam War.”
Tom Scharf,
“We will see how it all plays out.”
Sure. But a) she was trying to block ICE from arresting illegal aliens, a felony, and b) did run her car into the ICE agent who shot her.
I predict this will ultimately go to the SC, where they will block any criminal prosecution under Minnesota state law.
NASA:
“As an update to our earlier communication regarding a medical situation aboard the International Space Station, the matter involved a single crew member who is stable. Safely conducting our missions is our highest priority, and we are actively evaluating all options, including the possibility of an earlier end to Crew-11’s mission. These are the situations NASA and our partners train for and prepare to execute safely. We will provide further updates within the next 24 hours.
What is wrong with blue controlled cities:
https://nypost.com/2026/01/07/us-news/bronx-dad-savagely-stabbed-to-death-on-the-way-to-nyc-job/
The perp was guilty of assault and robbery, along with a multitude of other arrests, but never put away. So now there is a dead father who was raising two girls alone. The perp was also apparently crazy (AKA ’emotionally disturbed’)….. but never confined.
Still, ICE can’t enforce Federal immigration law in those blue cities? This doesn’t even pass the smell test.
These cities will continue to go down the toilet.
Tom Scharf wrote: “Perhaps she was an innocent bystander who tried to turn around in the middle of a surprise street protest”.
Except she wasn’t. She had been repeatedly interfering with the ICE officers. Part of a group, I think. She brought her fate upon herself.
Obviously she was trying to escape. I don’t see what difference that makes. This lady was either willing to hit a cop with her car or so reckless in her behavior that she did so involuntarily. She was dangerous. The agent did the right thing as far as I am concerned. If this lady drove off and plowed through people getting out of church, we would be marveling at this agent’s negligence in not stopping the threat.
What makes us blink is that the absolute minimum threshold for lethal force was met. Fine, good. It should make us think twice. But the agent still did the right thing.
Yes, it is curious that the other officers never drew their weapons. Even the one standing next to the open drivers window.
People seem to me to be implicitly arguing ‘oh, she was only a threat because agents didn’t flee’. Sorry, that doesn’t wash. The laws need to be upheld, and it is absurd to think that police must retreat in the face of any criminal willing to escalate to violent and dangerous behavior. That leads straight to criminal anarchy.
A photo with high humor content: https://x.com/lizcollin/status/2009046198314008954/photo/2
Idiots.
Mark Bofill wrote: “it is absurd to think that police must retreat in the face of any criminal willing to escalate to violent and dangerous behavior.”
Hear! Hear!
Gov Walz is skating very close to formal insurrection against the Federal government. He has threatened to activate the Minnesota National Guard, “to protect Minnesotans from ICE agents”. As if Federal laws do not apply in Minnesota. The immediate response to that will be to nationalize the Minnesota National Guard and arrest Walz (and maybe others).
Is he really that stupid? For his sake and the country’s, I hope not.
This is a monument when Walz needs to take a deep breath and walk that threat back, or he could soon be sitting in a cell facing charges of treason.
The ICE agent is going to have trouble. The video of the shooting shows him clearly to the drivers side of the SUV and I don’t think the woman he shot was ever driving at him.
She was trying to flee, but that doesn’t make it self defense.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2026/jan/07/footage-appears-to-show-ice-agent-shooting-woman-in-minneapolis-video
Ok… the agent was at least to the front right when the car first starts moving. The front view is the first few seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrUMVtrCK_Y
Lucia,
I’m under the impression the lady actually hit the agent with her car from watching those videos.
My analysis is that the killshot was fired while the agent was standing next to the driver side window.
I know it’s too early and I know it’s reckless to make decisions this early but everyone else is so I am too.
The shot the agent fired from in front of the vehicle was off target it was low right and could not have been the headshot that killed the driver.
image:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2009282637286826261?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
The agent fired two more shots after he had moved out of the way and was aiming at the open driver side window.
I don’t think it’s a self defense case. I think it’s an ‘objective reasonableness’ case. It was a fleeing suspect who posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others (obviously, since she hit one with her car) and they had warned her and tried to stop her.
Also, yes. The agent is going to be in trouble. There are often department rules that impose more stringent restrictions than those mandated by law. Add to it that the optics are fairly bad here. He’s going to face some sort of disciplinary action I’m sure.
Lucia,
Video from a different direction shows that the car actually hit the agent on his left hip/leg, pushing him to his right. He shot once as he was being hit, through the windshield on the driver’s side, and then twice through the open side window as the car passed him. The whole thing looks to have taken about a second. Unclear which shot (s) killed the driver.
Absent additional information, I doubt he will be charged. Subject to disciplinary actions? Could well be. Depends on specific engagement rules.
Mark,
The “fleeing suspect” was suspected of the crime of demonstrating against ICE. Let her go; it’s not worth shooting her in the head at point blank range.
The agent walked around the passenger side of the car and stood in front of it. He escalated the situation from dealing with a protester to one were deadly forced might be required.
Russell,
People can’t recklessly use deadly force in trying to avoid being legitimately and legally detained. People who are willing to do so are a danger to the public. Therefore I disagree with you.
Although look, I get what you are saying. As I said above, this was an edge case. Absent the car hitting the officer, I’d agree with you. Obviously, the impact didn’t kill him or incapacitate him. Was it just a bump? Does this matter? Maybe it does. It’s an edge case.
[Edit: I would like to believe it’s not OK, and it shouldn’t be OK going forward, for people trying to avoid arrest to ‘bump’ the actual bodies of agents trying to arrest them with motor vehicles. I don’t believe this is a reasonable thing to demand of our police, nor do I believe any legitimate public interest is served in tolerating such misbehavior. Therefore I want the cop to be cleared regarding this. But, que sera.]
The ICE agent obviously had his pistol out and was ready to fire before the victim drove toward him. Is that allowed under ICE rules? Donno.
Never drive toward someone holding a gun.
Artemis II will be a loop around the Moon on a free-return trajectory, similar to Apollo 8. They have a lot of science to do along the way.
I disagree with Tom Scharf. I have always advocated return to the Moon before continuing to Mars. We are going to encounter problems with system design, procedures, and unanticipated situations. It would be better to encounter those problems 3.5 days from Earth than 3.5 months from Earth.
We will refine designs but we still have a lot to manage for permanent human habitation and that should be the goal.
I don’t think the death of Renee Good (the deceased protestor and driver of the van) will have anywhere near the effect the Kent State shootings did. For one thing, Leftists no longer have a near-monopoly on the media anymore.
The outcome of the Kent State shootings would have been somewhat different if the media then had focused on the rocks being thrown and the violence of the protestors instead of solely on the dead youth.
Those protestors also played stupid games and some won stupid prizes but the media used their “prizes” to support the counterculture movement. The American public was somewhat naive about television news in the 1960s; they are more jaded (experienced?) now.
Walz probably genuinely thinks he can use the death of Good to deflect from his ever growing fraud scandal. This is definitely going to work for a portion of the population, the question is what portion?
The lady actually struck the agent. You can see this in the second video from a bedroom window down the street. It was a glancing blow at low speed while she was turning away. She also had previously reversed, then put it in drive toward the agent.
This is likely enough to argue this established a fear for his life in the agent’s mind. Since police get some level of immunity this would be enough for many jurors (like myself).
I think the agent’s behavior is not beyond reproach though, discipline is warranted. He escalated the situation to a deadly encounter when it just didn’t need to be IMO. The amount of discipline will depend on what the rules of engagement were at the time and the policies in place.
Derek H,
Were it Musk (SpaceX) funding the effort, I doubt the moon would be on the menu at all.
Can Musk actually get people to Mars in his lifetime? I suspect he can. Permanent colony? Very unlikely. Thousands of 150-ton payloads delivered to Mars is much too big an undertaking over the next 30 years, even for Musk.
“Walz probably genuinely thinks he can use the death of Good to deflect from his ever growing fraud scandal. ”
Seems unrelated, except to the extent ICE was starting to look for illegal aliens involved in the fraud. I don’t see how advocating for insurrection is a prudent choice.
“Obviously she was trying to escape. I don’t see what difference that makes.”
It doesn’t make a difference as far as what the agent saw right up until the moment the shooting occurred. The establishment of escape (versus an attempt to drive over an officer) is mostly post shooting by the direction of the car travel. The media is making a big deal of which way the tires were pointing but there is no reason to believe the agent saw that or processed it.
The police will circle their wagons here and the officer will get interviewed later but only say carefully choreographed answers.
The legacy media is doing their usual thing of making almost zero effort to tell the officer’s potential view of events.
just as I predicted, the resistance in Minnesota is escalating dramatically today. I expect it will be nationwide maybe by this weekend.
Oh, come on. We look at videos from various angles over and over, perhaps in slow motion. Then we critique decisions a police officer made in real time, with limited information, and without knowledge of the future.
I think the ICE agents actions were objectively reasonable. That is not changed by the fact that we can second guess him.
Here is a retired police officer discussing how to stay safe during a traffic stop:
https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/7-ways-to-maintain-safety-around-a-suspects-vehicle-j67TJYep4FZAql0U/
“Yet all of us at some time have found ourselves standing in front of a running motor vehicle with a driver seated behind the wheel, despite our training. I believe human beings are hardwired to stand facing a threat, which contributes to this unfortunate situation.”
Under “The safe place to stand when dealing with vehicles” he says: “There isn’t one.”
Yes, the vehicle moved while the officer was firing, so the later shots entered the car from the side. I say “So what?” Human reaction time is not instantaneous. The driver might have swung the car back at him to hit him again. She might have aimed the car at a second officer. There is no way to process all that in the time allotted.
It would have been extremely difficult for the ICE agent to avoid a bad outcome. It would have been very easy for the driver to avoid that outcome. In fact it took at least three very stupid, lawless decisions for her to end up dead. It was not the ICE agent’s fault.
Yup
[Edit: My point about it not making a difference about her wanted to flee or not is that her intent didn’t matter. I don’t believe it makes a difference if she was trying to run the cop over or if she was trying to get away. She refused to be detained and hit an agent with her vehicle in trying to flee, and I think (and I might be wrong of course) that that was enough to make her a danger and threat that justified lethal force under the ‘objective reasonableness’ standards.]
“just as I predicted, the resistance in Minnesota is escalating dramatically today.”
Yep. I think they planned for this. They fomented confrontations, knowing that would eventually lead to a tragic result that they can used as fodder to advance the revolution. They could not know where or when the tragedy would happen, but they were prepared to exploit it when it did happen.
Russell Klier wrote: “The agent walked around the passenger side of the car and stood in front of it. He escalated the situation from dealing with a protester to one were deadly forced might be required.”
I disagree, he was NOT in front of the car until the driver swung the car toward him while backing up. It does look like he then took a step or two to be directly in front of the car. Perhaps so that he could be sure she saw him. Perhaps instinctively to directly confront a threat. But no matter what, the agent is not the one who created a dangerous situation.
Police can not do their jobs if they adopt the attitude of “I must never do anything that might conceivably result in someone getting hurt.”
Mike,
“ Police can not do their jobs if they adopt the attitude of “I must never do anything that might conceivably result in someone getting hurt.””
police are taught to de-escalate a situation. This started out as a simple civil disobedience action. The officer escalated the situation and wound up putting a bullet in the protestor’s head.
he was standing behind the vehicle and walked around the passenger side to stand directly in front. Is my position that he intentionally caused the confrontation.
SteveF –
Yes, Musk wants to go to Mars. So do I. However, I want a smart program to do so, building our existent capabilities with each step albeit not at the glacial pace NASA was proceeding at.
We got to the Moon in an extraordinarily small amount of time once we committed to it but it was done thoughtfully with planned and prepared increments. Apollo 8 was a rare case of leapfrogging and it was spurred by competitive Soviet ventures.
The program would likely have been short-circuited and terminated by the likes of Mondale if they could have pointed to hasty activities resulting in deaths on orbit (Mondale tried to use the Apollo 1 fire to kill the program). We will suffer casualties as we progress outward but opponents won’t be able to use those casualties to kill exploration if they can’t point to recklessness and foolhardiness.
There is no duty for police to retreat in a standoff. It is their job to handle this situation.
But, you know, protect and serve. Unfortunately this means protecting citizens from themselves many times in the eyes of a large segment of the population. Keep the death toll to a reasonable minimum and that means letting criminal behavior “evolve” for hopefully better outcomes with some risk. Policies / judgment calls. Some things will end badly no matter what the policies are. Criminals will be allowed to escape to do further crimes, citizens will die during bad pursuit outcomes.
Recent event in Tampa. 4 bystanders killed, 11 injured. This has it all. A pursuit over speeding, an attempted PIT maneuver, chase abandoned for safety, then the perp ends up plowing into a crowd anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DFtjsLThLE
I completely agree that the US has gone too far with permissive criminality such as decriminalizing shoplifting and such. But we also don’t want thuggish officers killing mentally unstable people over traffic violations (not saying that is what happened here).
My answer for these specific scenarios is require all cars to have a remote disable device the police can activate. The libertarian in my screams NO though.
Example, ironically from MN:
“General Motors was electronically tracking a stolen Buick Envista and notified police the vehicle was in Saint Paul. Officers located the vehicle and began following it in a SPPD marked squad as it entered westbound I-94 from Highway 52. General Motors then remotely disabled the vehicle”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCjvcgRmA8
Viewer discretion advised, bad outcome for driver.
Russell Klier wrote: “he was standing behind the vehicle and walked around the passenger side to stand directly in front. ”
I have not seen a video that shows that.
Derek H,
“… building our existent capabilities with each step albeit not at the glacial pace NASA was proceeding at.”
Glacial is very generous. (And a terrible boondoggle!). If anyone wants to visit Mars within the lifetime of my youngest grandchild (4), NASA needs to not be involved in the effort.
Really: NASA is not fit for space exploration….. it is more like a pot of money to dispense to the favored in ‘aerospace’.
Tom,
There’s a balance, yes. I’d prefer for my stupid kid not to be shot and killed for a bad judgement call at a political protest. I still feel like right now the pendulum ought to be swinging towards more strict, but. Eh.
Tom Scharf,
“The libertarian in my screams NO though.”
Really bad idea.
Way too trusting. I wonder how long it would be before the disabling device was duplicated by carjackers.
SteveF —
I believe Heinlein and Pournelle both felt NASA needed to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up as far back as the late 70s/early 80s. They complained NASA had been infiltrated or infected by too many bureaucrats looking for a safe civil service job instead of the forward thinking engineers that populated the agency in its early days.
We will see if Isaacman can shake things up at the agency. I hope he will. One thing about SpaceX launches, you can see the Apollo-era enthusiasm return on every face in their control room. We need more of that.
Many cars already have remote disable features. BMW’s have had it for 20 years. They are rarely used for this type of thing. For theft the car’s starter is remotely disabled and not allowed to start again but disabling while in motion is not permitted. This requires a police report and police authorization allegedly.
Some low end car lenders also install 3rd party GPS / disabling devices for recovery.
The thing about violent perps….. not just in cars….. that cause tragedies: Usually there are plenty of reasons (AKA convictions) for them to have been sitting in a prison cell instead of causing death(s). That is not always the case, but very often is.
Sentence convicted felons to prison, and treat those who are mentally ill. This would dramatically reduce serious crimes.
I think we should have gone directly to Mars because it is entirely predictable that NASA would take forever to get to the moon and spend ungodly sums doing it. Today’s NASA is not the NASA of the 1960’s. Be bold. It’s hard but as Kennedy said we do these things because they are hard.
I recently bought this photo book. Pretty good and had a lot of stuff I hadn’t seen before.
Apollo Remastered: The Ultimate Photographic Record
https://a.co/d/eNRjHWU
TLDR, pay SpaceX to take a man to Mars.
“We will see if Isaacman can shake things up at the agency. ”
Sure, but don’t hold your breath. This is the ‘zero-risk-cost-plus’ crowd, and they are not going to willingly change. If he fires most people, he can make changes, but I expect he can’t do that because these are GS-scale employees, not spaceX employees.
Tom Scharf,
“TLDR, pay SpaceX to take a man to Mars.”
That would last until Jan 2, 2027, when Dems gain a majority in the House. Those who support free speech and government efficiency are not…. ahem…. ‘favored’ by Dems.
Mike,
https://x.com/peopleperson__/status/2008962336216719653?s=61
NYT analysis of the video
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html?smid=url-share
This is not clear cut for either side. Welcome to the reality of law enforcement. They conveniently leave out what the video implies the motives of the driver are here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/01/01/california-billionaire-tax-ballot-measure/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/01/08/u-haul-index-shows-its-not-just-billionaires-fleeing-california/
I don’t find it at all surprising that people — not just billionaires — are fleeing these “Peoples’ Workers’ Paradises” of California, New York, Massachusetts, etc. What astonishes me is that the Washington Post not only mentions it but analyzes actual data and reports on it honestly — and more the point, puts it in an editorial. Maybe Bezos really does want the Post to make money again by reporting honestly.
I had job offers in California when I retired from the military oh so many years ago. Since the people mentioning the jobs to me were former bosses, I thanked them for the offers but told them honestly that I don’t know what it would take to get me to move to California but it couldn’t possibly be economically viable for the companies in question.
Colorado is rapidly becoming Eastern California which means many people I know have been or are making plans to move out. The potheads, unrepetentant hippies, and advocates of large intrusive government can have the state.
“Colorado is rapidly becoming Eastern California”
I have relatives there. Yes, it’s California-lite, but gaining weight. 😉
So far, they have held the line at a flat 4.55% rate, but I wouldn’t count on that continuing.
The only comment by a public official which makes sense to me is by Tom Homan, who said (in a CBS interview yesterday) that it doesn’t make sense to pre-judge; let the investigation proceed and if it is found that the officer was deficient in his duty, he will be held accountable. Trump & Noem — “clearly self-defense” — and [Minneapolis mayor] Frey — “that’s bs” — rushing to judgment are all being irresponsible, fanning the flames.
That said, we private citizens can form our opinions. I think the officer should not have been standing in front of the car as the other officers approached and demanded that the driver exit the car. His position created the circumstances in which the driver’s panicked(?) exit endangered him. I can well understand that he felt in danger of his life. So the first shot (into the windshield) seems justified. The shots through the side window seem to be improper, as the immediate threat had passed. Hold him accountable for those. YMMV.
HaroldW,
Someone has just hit you with their car and you have fired a shot through the windshield as that happened. As the car accelerates past you ~0.3 second later, what do you do?
Viewed in real time, you can see that everything happened in about 1 second. I would be cautious about assuming the ICE agent knew (or could know) the driver’s intentions.
Holman is right: we should wait for the investigation.
In the mean time, ICE should continue to round up illegal aliens in Minneapolis and elsewhere.
Harold, your post:
“I think the officer should not have been standing in front of the car as the other officers approached and demanded that the driver exit the car. His position created the circumstances in which the driver’s panicked(?) exit endangered him.”
I agree with you, but it’s even more egregious than that.
The shooter was standing behind the vehicle as the other officers approached and he walked up the passenger side of the vehicle and stood directly in front of it, ensuring that it became a confrontational situation.
Here is another angle of the incident showing the shooter behind the vehicle and walking up the right side:
https://x.com/peopleperson__/status/2008962336216719653?s=20
ps… I agree it’s too early to be drawing conclusions like this.
So, I don’t know about y’all. I do drills where I fire three times (two to the chest one to the head) and then pause to assess. The thing is, sometimes it takes more than one shot to stop a threat. Once you’ve decided to shoot, it’s for keeps; you need to stop the threat. I don’t know how harshly we should judge an agent who, having made the decision to stop the threat, shot three times to make sure the threat was stopped.
[In fact, this is ‘the failure to stop’ drill]
The officer was filming with his phone behind the car which suggests he was getting identifying information on the vehicle. Perhaps he was walking around to get video of the driver.
The best “story” for him would be that he was getting info (vehicle / person) to later charge the driver with obstruction and he was then going to move along with their duties and then things unexpectedly escalated. Maybe that’s even what happened. He behaved as if he wasn’t expecting the car to move, after all the car looked to be intentionally blocking traffic.
Russell Klier wrote: “The shooter was standing behind the vehicle as the other officers approached and he walked up the passenger side of the vehicle and stood directly in front of it”
He walked up the passenger side before the other officers arrived, although he may have known they were arriving. We don’t know why he did that. As Tom says, he may have been getting on with other duties. He did not stand directly in front of the vehicle, he stood off to the passenger side. He was in front of the vehicle when the driver backed up and turned.
He certainly did not ensure a confrontation; there driver did that. Law enforcement is under no obligation to back down from a confrontation. Usually it is just the opposite.
Holman is right about waiting for the investigation. But if people are going to hurl accusations at the ICE agent; then it is appropriate to counter those accusations.
Mike,
If the people here really believe police need to avoid confrontational situations at all costs, I really strongly recommend everybody arm themselves.
Just saying.
MB
“[In fact, this is ‘the failure to stop’ drill]“
Having seen too many John Wick movies I appreciate the concept of a double tap type technique to immobilise and eliminate any further threat to one’s life from armed assailants. It also explains the logic behind that Capitol Hill shooting on Jan 6th.
Or a boxer or MMA fighter continuing to pummel
a beaten opponent.
I can see the logic clearly.
Which is what is needed to justify the morality of the action.
Which unfortunately seems to transform into before and after assessment.
Before You should/ must do it.
After did you have to do it?
No answer to this dilemma.
Life is ugly this way, sometimes we have to kill people who are trying to kill us, or be killed ourselves. I don’t like killing animals. This said, if somebody is threatening my life and I’m armed, I’m going to stop the threat. I’m pretty sure there is no moral issue here. I don’t have to lay down and die to be moral. Don’t try to kill me, don’t recklessly do things that might kill me. Those are bad ideas.
Mark,your post:
“If the people here really believe police need to avoid confrontational situations at all costs, I really strongly recommend everybody arm themselves.
Just saying.”
The shooter wasn’t confronting a violent criminal. He was confronting a fat lady protester. There is a time for confrontation; this wasn’t it.
Russell,
If a fat lady is behind the wheel of a big SUV and is reckless enough to hit me with it, she’s a threat. You can go ahead and let fat lady protesters roll rampant through your locale, hitting people with her car in hysterics or recklessness or cold blood or whatever in hell it was. In my neck of the woods though, that lady is likely to get shot.
The lady was armed with her moving vehicle. She doesn’t get shot for standing in the road or on a sidewalk. There were plenty of those at the scene and they all went home.
Circumstantial evidence is she FAFO. I don’t think this should have ended this way but you can’t engage in antagonizing protests with your moving vehicle, attempt to flee, and assume things will not end badly for you. Even if the citizens judge the agent acted improperly, you are still dead. It’s not a good deal.
I’m sorry she was killed but she shares responsibility for her own reckless behavior. There is two way accountability here even if we hold law enforcement to a higher standard.
Tom, your post:
“I’m sorry she was killed but she shares responsibility for her own reckless behavior. There is two way accountability here even if we hold law enforcement to a higher standard.”
I agree with that. My reaction was because there was a huge outpouring of support for the officer long before it was time. I agree with Tom Holman there’s a lot of discovery that needs to go on before decisions are made.
I objected to prematurely exonerating the shooter, just because he was a member of law enforcement.
frame by frame presentation of the video:
https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ceqzj9932wjo
Russell Klier wrote: “I objected to prematurely exonerating the shooter, just because he was a member of law enforcement.”
I object to prematurely condemning the officer just because he is a member of law enforcement. There is no harm in giving the officer the benefit of the doubt pending an investigation. There is great harm in rushing to unfairly condemn him.
massive riots are going on in Iran
Not legally relevant but likely relevant to the agent’s state of mind.
Tom Scharf,
“Not legally relevant but likely relevant to the agent’s state of mind.”
I’d guess so. After the shooting, the guy was limping slightly as he walked away, while holstering his gun.
This author thinks the Iranian regime will not fall soon, nor quickly when/if it does fall:
https://borzou.substack.com/p/protests-wont-bring-down-the-iranian
Grok….
The four-person crew affected by the medical issue (NASA’s SpaceX Crew-11 mission) will return to Earth early aboard their SpaceX Crew Dragon spacecraft (named Endeavour), which they used to travel to the ISS in August 2025.
• The crew consists of NASA astronauts Mike Fincke and Zena Cardman, JAXA astronaut Kimiya Yui, and Roscosmos cosmonaut Oleg Platonov.
• One unidentified crew member developed a serious but stable medical condition on January 7, 2026, that cannot be fully diagnosed or treated on the ISS (this marks the first such medical evacuation in the station’s 25-year history).
• NASA decided on January 8 to end the mission ahead of schedule rather than wait for the planned mid-February handover to Crew-12.
• The Dragon will undock from the ISS “in the coming days” (exact timeline to be announced soon, likely within the next 48 hours as of January 8), perform a deorbit burn, and splash down in the ocean off the Florida coast (standard recovery site), where NASA flight surgeons and SpaceX recovery teams will be waiting—with extra medical support on standby for the affected astronaut.
my news feed is full of stories about the escalating riots in Iran today
there are also anecdotal stories of Iranian government officials leaving the country with their families:
https://x.com/melissaafrancis/status/2009616910804308372?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
So I got to wondering about the security of the 60% enriched uranium that Iran has been stockpiling.
In times such as now, maybe unscrupulous actors within Iran may try to sell some off to the highest bidder. Maybe the regime itself may want to sell it off to a third-party state like Korea.
Both ChatGPT and Grok have assured me my fears are unfounded.
What do they know!
“wondering about the security of the 60% enriched uranium that Iran has been stockpiling”
More reason to hope that is was all underground prior to Operation Midnight Hammer. In which case it is safely buried.
The Soviets had huge quantities of everything when they collapsed, including biological weapons. Most importantly they had a lot of nuclear scientists that weren’t getting paid with very eager Nork / Iranian regimes looking for knowledge. IIRC the west actually gave money to pay these scientists so they wouldn’t leave.
AFAICT none of the bad stuff ever got out, but the Norks and Iran developed nukes, hard to say if this was a factor.
I thought this was kind of funny.
The Atlantic: First the Shooting. Then the Lies.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/ice-defense-minnesota-killing/685549/
The article picture is the typical menacing ICE agents doing their thing, but I wonder if the author, editor, or majority of readers know this guy is holding a paintball gun. I think they use pepper balls in these for riot control.
Trump is now supporting a stronger congressional action on sanctioning Russian oil sales.
All I can say is that it’s about time.
“The legislation (often called the Sanctioning Russia Act) would allow Trump to impose tariffs up to 500% on imports from countries buying Russian energy exports, aiming to cut off funding for Russia’s war machine.l
Grok
I suppose this would be targeted mostly at India and China, but I’m not sure that.
Russian oil exports can’t really be stopped unless there is an alternative source of oil. OIl supply has been increasing. Venezuela will help a bit, although a big increase will take time. But as supply improves, it becomes possible to put the screws on Russian exports.
Trump’s ballroom starts to come into focus: 20,000 sq ft ballroom, to seat up to 1,000. Large “commercial grade” kitchen facilities. Total area on two floors of ~40,000 sq ft (not 90,000!).
No doubt secret space below
20,000 sq ft for 1,000 is pretty generous (more typically ~15 sq ft.).
This low resolution security camera view from another angle shows more or less the agent’s viewpoint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbq98aqF794
As the car starts moving forward he is directly in front of the vehicle, he starts moving to avoid the car, a glancing blow occurs.
The additional info here is that the driver starts moving forward with an agent close and directly in front of the car, perhaps she is looking at the other agent? This is going to support the agent’s case.
AFAICT she starts moving forward while turning her wheels so the initial movement forward has the agent directly in front of the car and the car moving straight ahead. Not clear how the agent would know this was an escape versus an attack (I still maintain that he shouldn’t have placed himself there but that is another discussion).
This camera also showed the car had been sitting in the middle of the road for 3 minutes so it isn’t a bad luck turn around confusion thing.
Unverified info shows she was at the protest with her wife as a participant so not likely to be an innocent bystander unrelated to the protest.
Ruy Teixeira (“The Liberal Patriot”) continues his efforts to pee against a hurricane force wind, and the result is as messy as you might expect.:
https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/merit-biology-and-patriotic-realism
He correctly identifies every one of the reasons Dems have adopted the 30% side of 70/30 issues, but then suggests they can just stop supporting crazy policies and return to being the party of Bill Clinton (and John Kennedy!). Somehow he has forgotten the hard part: policies like endless DEI, open borders, mandated electric cars, wealth confiscation, global government, ‘gender affirming care’ for minors, etc, are exactly what the Democrat “base” insists on, and they are not likely to change their minds on any of those issues. The party has reached this juncture because all the “motivated moderates” have simply retired or died, and been replaced by people indoctrinated in socialism…… leftist control of everything.
He does correctly point out that the craziest represent “only” 9% to 11%, of voters…. but that avoids addressing the more relevant number: the crazies are fully a third of ALL Dems, and they are the ones who select candidates in primary elections. The crazies set basic policy for the party by excluding from office anybody who refuses to accept their preferred policies, on every important issue.
We need look no further that the Dem base’s reaction to John Fetterman (eg “Fetterman has become mentally ill”) to see that Teixeira is operating in a dreamland.
FYI: When identity theft comes your way…
There is a Fair Credit Reporting Act law that requires credit agencies to remove these debt collector items if you file an identity theft report with the FTC (https://www.identitytheft.gov/). You have to send the agencies this report and other ID information such as driver’s license, utility bill, etc.
You can place fraud alerts with the credit agencies so anyone who does a hard credit check must call you by phone before the info is released. You can also do a full credit freeze for an ongoing situation.
I remember there was a scramble inside the USG after the fall of the Soviet Union to find reasons — any reasons — to offer premiere Soviet scientists some kind of work as an alternative to working for bad guys. The underlying assumption was that these scientists didn’t want to work for bad guys but they still needed to eat and feed their families.
If I recall correctly, the Departments of Defense and Energy were getting a lot of top-level research done for a fraction of what it would have cost with US researchers and it was augmenting rather than replacing the US-based research because Congress agreed to additional funding to keep Soviet scientists from working for our enemies.
Tom Scharf,
“The additional info here is that the driver starts moving forward with an agent close and directly in front of the car, perhaps she is looking at the other agent? This is going to support the agent’s case.”
Then there will be riots (a la George Floyd) to make up for that.
I do think people interfering with ICE operations will be a little more careful about how they drive their cars around ICE agents.
“I do think people interfering with ICE operations will be a little more careful about how they drive their cars around ICE agents.”
Yup.
“….that the driver starts moving forward with an agent close and directly in front of the car”
Well, that’s an admission that the agent was close and in front of the car. So, that’s a problem for the driver and tend to exonerate the agent. Even if her state of mind wasn’t to run him down, the ICE couldn’t possibly know that she wasn’t accelerating into him on purpose.
And look, she was also trying to evade arrest. This isn’t merely the sort of “not seeing” that might happen in a parking lot at Walmart.
In the first video I saw, I mistook who shot. I thought it was the 2nd agent who clearly was not in front. But he’s not the guy. The second one– I could see the agent. He was in a situation where, at least for the 1st shot, the vehicle is being accelerated into him. He jumped and shot. I’m not sure what else he could do.
Second and third shot? I don’t know about the law on that. I don’t have a gun. Different juries members will weigh the question of just how quickly he’s supposed to register he is no longer in the path of the car. Different people will judge differently. And there is a question of precisely what the law says.
It’s not as if he clearly decided to continue to shoot a fleeing body with plenty of time to decide. But, in retrospect, it does look like at the time of the later shots he wasn’t in danger of being run over. That’s what the tapes look like to me.
It looks like the lady was part of an organized effort to disrupt ICE operations, and had some “training” about using her car to stop ICE from moving on the streets. (Turned out to be an unwise choice.)
If that is true, you can add conspiracy to the other charges against those involved. Only extended prison sentences will stop these folks.
Lucia,
After the first shot the agent may not have had any idea if other agents remained in the car’s path. All three shots took place in about half a second; there wasn’t a lot of time for accessing potential danger.
SteveF,
I agree. The three shots happened fast. I don’t know how responsible someone is supposed to be in noticing that you are now out of danger before shooting again. I would think the standard shouldn’t be demanding the impossible.
The first shot: as far as I can see she was driving at him. And I don’t think whether she “intended” to drive over him matters to what his actions should be. Her intention would matter if she was being charged with something– that’s part of mens rea for her— but nothing to do with his mens rea.
By noting that he was out of the way on the 2nd and 3rd shots, I’m not making a value judgement about responsibility. I’m just nothing that appears to be “the situation” aka “a fact”. But yes, it was also very quick. That’s another observation of “the situation”– not value judgement.
For the agent: He definitely had cause to fear for himself when he took shot 1.
Against the agent: He personally was no longer in danger from the car when he fired shots 2 and 3 through the window (one of which almost had to be the kill shot).
For the agent: Timing was so fast, he almost couldn’t know that other agents were not endangered by the vehicle anymore. Threat training generally says once you’ve made the decision to fire, you put the threat down until you can reassess the situation.
Upshot: To quote the knight at the end of “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade”, she “chose poorly.” If I were at DHS, this would be incorporated into training simulations but this is one of those cases where there probably isn’t any right answer for the agents. Making allowances for violent activists to choose poorly just results in them getting more violent or active.
By rights, all the people who are promoting the violence toward ICE and DHS ought to called on the carpet for their roles in this — but the left-wing media will never do that.
Here is the footage from the agent’s cell phone.
https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385
The first shot went through the lower windshield area, there is a hole in it. It’s not clear but my guess is the 2nd / 3rd shot was the fatal one through the driver window and the agent will need to answer for that. She was pretty unlucky with the trajectory of that one.
It all happened in about a second so his answer is likely to be there was no time to assess and his training kicked in blah blah blah.
The shooter walked from the back of the car to the front and intentionally put himself in harms way. I don’t think that would be approved protocol. Did he think he was gonna block the car with his body?
DaveJR,
We won’t be getting a better view than that.
Not helpful for the deceased lady and the other overly aggressive lady (her wife?) who tried to enter the car pretty much sets up a hostile intent situation.
I can see why this video was leaked.
This legal case is over.
I keep hearing that the car is a lethal weapon. This car was not a lethal weapon until the shooter placed himself in front of it.
Russell,
I think that question on protocol / policy is correct but the remedy is not criminal indictment but instead retraining or discipline.
He appears to be gathering information to charge these people and the aggressive lady appears to think the same thing with her comments on license plates.
This video puts the intent of the driver in a much different light. The “mom / poet just helping her neighbors” narrative is gone and the agent who did the shooting directly receiving hostile words makes it easy to believe he perceived hostile intent.
In fact I’m no really so sure she was escaping now. Why did she leave her passenger behind?
Then again maybe this is just an AI fake, ha ha.
Russell Klier: “The shooter walked from the back of the car to the front and intentionally put himself in harms way.”
Two problems with that. First, you do not know his intent in walking along the side of the car. Second, he was not in the path of the car until the driver turned the car toward him. He was forward of the car, but off to the right.
I won’t reiterate my points, you all have heard what I had to say.
Re the video linked by DaveJR:
Wow. So there was a passenger; no indication of that in the earlier videos. And she got out of the car and was taunting the agents. And the shooter walking along the side of the car may have been part of his interaction with the passenger. And the passenger was about to get back into the car when the driver started to move forward.
Her passenger (wife?) told her to “drive, drive!” right before she gunned the engine and left. Not on the top ten list of best advice ever given.
Renee Good’s wife claimed Minneapolis shooting was ‘my fault’ in video amid anti-ICE fury
https://www.foxnews.com/us/renee-good-wife-claimed-minneapolis-shooting-my-fault-video-amid-anti-ice-fury
It’s all pretty tragic, but the wife here has a lot of long sleepless nights ahead of her. In my eyes she is the closest thing to an actual villain in this drama.
Hey interesting (?) footnote. I remember some discussion where people here were arguing that sexual orientation just is what it is and doesn’t change. This lady apparently was married to a guy before hooking up with this other woman. Now, of course it’s possible and perhaps even probable that she married a guy she felt no sexual attraction for whatsoever, because the patriarchy forced her to and so on and so forth. I suggest it is also possible that this lady had a ‘woke’ secular religious awakening, and found a same sex partner and a mission in Minneapolis. [It’s at least approximately equally likely that she hooked up with a woman she has no sexual attraction to, if we postulate that everybody just has a fixed preference; she must’ve been with somebody she wasn’t interested in in this case. Or, maybe bisexuality really is a thing, could be that too.]
I’m talking out of my butt as usual, I have no evidence. Just hunches and wild speculation.
Tom Scharf
I think there was no time to assess. So that’s true.
Russell
That might not be approve protocol. Or maybe it’s ok. I have no idea.
But either way I don’t think it takes away from the fact that she accelerated into him. Getting to ram an officer with your car doesn’t become a right even if he violates protocol.
Sure. Maybe the officer would have his hand slapped for violating protocol… But that’s separate from the next bit which is what he’s allowed to do if someone accelerates into him.
Russell
Sure. It’s only a weapon when someone is in it’s path.
But are you trying to make a larger point? A knife is not a lethal weapon until you put it in someone’s hand. A car is not a lethal weapon until she hits the accelerator.
He didn’t dive in front of an already moving car. He stood in front of a motionless car. It became a lethal weapon when she hit the accelerator– same as a knife is a lethal weapon when you move to stick someone with it.
She was married (to a man), had two children, divorced, married another man and had a third child. The second husband died some time ago. She then married her current significant other. The third child was living with her but will likely now live with paternal grandparents. The first two live with their father (AFAIK).
“drive!” is the worst advice ever.
So Gemini doesn’t think much of my speculation. It lectured me about ‘late blooming lesbians’ but argued that people can change and that this lady might have had genuine love and romantic attachment to her first two male husbands and still just been a late blooming lesbian.
Actually I have no real quarrel with this idea. I still have a hunch; this lady ‘radicalized’ at some point, probably because of Trump’s election and the tide turning against woke. I don’t care that her husband says she was never an activist, I’m sure that was so back in the day. I still think she got infected by the mind virus and moved to Minneapolis to fight for her leftist ideas, maybe to raise her kid to be a good little commie.
You know, I apologize. I ask y’all to believe me when I tell you I didn’t misrepresent what was said deliberately, it was merely a deficit in my recollection. The argument was made that people don’t have arbitrary voluntary control over what they find sexually attractive, not that people ‘don’t change’. Sorry about that.
This agent has the fastest gun draw on earth, OMG.
The wife is a real piece of work based on my 10 seconds of knowledge, no doubt she’s wearing the pants in this relationship.
I just don’t get the vocal harassment aspect. I understand they disagree with what ICE is doing but this behavior is pointless. Just performative for her peers and emotionally satisfying I suppose. This dude is doing his job, the voters basically asked for this, yell at the politicians.
This attitude happens in zillions of cop bodycam videos and this guy did what almost every other cop does which is just ignore it completely. The chances of things not going well for you increases exponentially with this attitude as the cops have a large amount of discretion.
MN may reflexively try to indict him since they have publicly taken a maximalist position but I don’t see this one going anywhere.
mark bofill,
‘late blooming lesbians’
Who knows? More importantly: Who cares?
No matter the complexity of their ‘orientation’, whoever was sitting in that seat was going to get shot, unless they acted differently.
I do wonder if the DOJ is preparing arrests of all the other drivers who were involved in blocking ICE agents……. the license plates were visible.
Tom Scharf,
“MN may reflexively try to indict him since they have publicly taken a maximalist position but I don’t see this one going anywhere.”
Agreed. They have a difficult hill to climb. They have to initially defer to the Federal investigative result; If they don’t like that, they can try to prosecute, but the case would likely go up the chain of command in the Federal Courts, and any Federal court along the way could say: “forgettaboutit”. Based on available information, it is hard to see the conservatives on the SC ever allowing a state prosecution. YMMV.
5 days ago: Suspect Tries to Ram Police Cars With Stolen Front Loader
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqzZAeCoY2o
Multiple shots fired. A common example of use of force that would previously not be given a second look. Cops do not mess around with moving vehicles that they deem threatening.
What is fundamentally lacking in legacy media frame by frame analysis is explanations of how cops behave. Many times they don’t shoot in these instances but many times they do.
Secretary Rubio may be wasting his time on this trip to Denmark…..
Excerpts from a Statement from the Premier of Greenland
“We do not wish to be Americans. We do not wish to be Danes. We wish to be Greenlanders.”
“Greenland is a country governed in accordance with the Self-Government Act and international law. The Government of Greenland and the Inatsisartut are elected by the people of Greenland, and through this mandate they cooperate with the United States and other Western countries—a cooperation that will continue in the future.”
“We stand together in our right to our country, now and for all time.”
“Greenland belongs to the Greenlandic people.”
Maybe Rubio should be going to Greenland.
full statement:
https://x.com/ojoelsen/status/2009771332917924092?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
I noticed this buried in an article about someone arrested for taking photos of an AF base:
Three and a half years before a hearing! That’s messed up.
“Secretary Rubio may be wasting his time on this trip to Denmark”
Depends on what he is trying to accomplish. He is not going to come back with Greenland. But he might come back with some concessions from the Danes re defense and/or mineral development.
Mike,
The comments from the President of Greenland indicates that we should be dealing with him not Denmark. This presents an interesting conundrum.
The earliest date for the launch of the manned [and womanned] moonshot is February 6th. There is lots of skepticism about making that date. Here is a graphic of launch windows in February, March, and April: https://x.com/TLPN_Official/status/2009788222440931556?s=20
Harold W,
“Three and a half years before a hearing! That’s messed up.”
Messed up or not, it was the direct result of Democrats absolutely opposing the enforcement of immigration laws, just as we saw this week in Minneapolis. If they don’t like the immigration laws, then they should try to pass new laws….. not subvert the existing laws. Seems subversion (laws, constitution), is always the go-to method for the left, since any honest effort would fail.
I suspect the same fellow entering today would be instantly deported.
In a truly shocking (shocking!!) development, the rump of Maduro’s regime has begun releasing political prisoners. Maybe Trump gave them one of those offers you can’t refuse: You release the political prisoners, and you get to stay alive.
There is a “blue hole” in the estuary flats just southwest of AbCo Island in the Bahamas. The blue hole accumulates fine sediment (mud) continuously, but when a hurricane passes close by, coarser (sand-like) particles are deposited in a layer, marking the hurricane.
Researches examined hurricane frequency since before 1300 to now, and discovered that the frequency of hurricanes during the “little ice age” was MUCH higher than since then. During the Spanish era (about 1492 to 1650) hurricanes were more than twice a frequent. So all those lost Spanish galleons loaded with gold and silver were subject to far greater risks due to the little Ice age.
Global temperature gradients are smaller during warm periods than cold periods. Since turning heat into work requires temperature differences, it is not surprising that hurricanes are worse during cold periods.
I’m pretty skeptical of these hurricane proxies. Maybe we should get Michael Mann to reanalyze, it sounds like the base rate needs to recalibrated to support what we all know is happening, catastrophic warming.
Indiana is a very good football team. They will be playing for the national championship a week from Monday.
Two things are surprising, Indiana hasn’t had a good football team in 50 years and most of the players are white guys.
Tom
😉
The CFP has been pretty good this year. I’ll be rooting for Indiana. Talk about a zero to hero story, that’s Hollywood worthy if they win it all.
Amendment to “in a perfect world” scenario.
1. Good engages in civil disobedience by blocking road.
2. She is given a lawful command to exit the vehicle.
3. She exits the vehicle and is given a law enforcement obstruction citation
4. Everyone goes about their day still alive.
The thing that many people object to is the mentality that civil disobedience should come with no consequences because they think they are right about everything. Nope.
Historically the courts have dismissed charges almost universally for non-violent protest related offenses (until Jan 6th). The process is enough punishment in this view. Personally I’d like civil disobedience to have a reasonable price to pay. The current incentives are unbalanced. The laws in Florida were changed for some protests and lo and behold civil disobedience behavior changed.
Florida Law:
Basically FL wants to allow Stop Oil protesters sitting on a road to be run over, ha ha.
Also if you are arrested during FL’s broad definition of a riot then you must spend the night in jail, no immediate bond out.
CNN finally gets around to asking the correct legal questions regarding the incident, this is a pretty good summary.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/10/us/video/what-reasonable-force-actually-means
Notably the standard is “reasonable officer” and not “reasonable citizen”.
Tom Scharf,
Don’t worry, the paper was in Nature, and had the appropriate introductory cant about the increase in frequency of “extreme storms” due to global warming, but that wasn’t really part of the paper. The humor was that the data were very clear: an era with colder average temperatures had much higher hurricane frequency.
“Talk about a zero to hero story, that’s Hollywood worthy if they win it all.”
Hollywood doesn’t usually tell stories about Indiana.
“Hollywood doesn’t usually tell stories about Indiana.”
Well, there’s “Hoosiers”…but I agree, many more movies about LA or NYC.
Tom,
“ I’ll be rooting for Indiana.”
it’s like rooting for Rudy! But I gotta go with my Miami Hurricanes, although I don’t think they have much of a chance.
There is astrange event happening… there is only one US military aircraft in the skys from the north Atlantic, thru Europe to Asia.
I believe there are a bunch more, but they have their transponders turned off. maybe Trump is playing mind games.
Screenshot at 3:30 PM Florida time:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2010086471672438945?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
this has been a reliable OSINT source in the past……
Chuck Pfarrer:
ON FIRE: Sources report that 1.5-1.85 million Iranians have taken to the streets tonight. They are battling security forces in more than 180 cities and 512 locations in all 31 provinces. The protests can now officially be called a revolution.
https://x.com/chuckpfarrer/status/2010063955331559487?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Gemini’s take:
We will see!
It sure has become an information blackout in Iran.
If you are an Iranian citizen you have to be asking what all this Death To America and Death To Israel revolutionary bluster has gotten you over the past many decades.
I wouldn’t put it past Trump (errrr … Israel) to take out the Ayatollah. That would be unthinkable a year ago, but he has backed up some of his warnings with action lately. As a precursor to any event I think we let the Iranians deal with their own dirty laundry.
Killing the Ayatollah, no matter how much he deserves it, might not be a good choice.. Too many devout muslims would take offense.
Nothing in principle wrong with decapitating an evil repressive regime that murders its citizens. The error is trying sew on a new head afterward.
Better to leave the entire mess that is Iran to the Iranians.
Steve,
That is both poetic and profound. Albeit somewhat grotesque as well…
Another reliable OSINT source (10 PM):
“Reminder that there is not a single U.S. Carrier Strike Group currently deployed to the Middle East, and the closest carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), is in the South China Sea and would take several days if not a week to reach Iran. It is extremely unlikely and incredibly risky to launch strikes against Iran without a carrier – or two – in the region, so if Trump does order a strike against Iran, it likely won’t take place for at least a week and preparations would be very evident from movements by the U.S. Navy and Air Force. “
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2010166736775999776?s=61
remember yesterday at 2:32 PM, when I posted that I couldn’t see any US military aircraft over Europe or Asia and I speculated that they were there flying with their transponders is turned off. I couldn’t figure out what was going on…..
Well US CENTCOM posted this:
“TAMPA, Fla. – Today, at approximately 12:30 p.m. Eastern Time, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, alongside partner forces, conducted large-scale strikes against multiple ISIS targets across Syria.”
https://x.com/centcom/status/2010089772120002721?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
ISW has a post pointing out that the widespread reported uprisings in Iran are probably only a fraction of the actual number taking place. They point out that the regime has blacked out most Internet services and only people with things like Starlink are able to transmit to the rest of the world what is going on.
https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2010180125321494856?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
Reports are emerging that the US deployed a new ‘nonlethal’ weapon in Venezuela that incapacitated the enemy personnel and greatly facilitated Maduro’s capture. Possibly a high powered pulsed microwave system. Reports indicate enemy personnel bled from their noses, vomiting blood and lost the ability to remain standing.
I thought this was mildly interesting.
President Trump, an hour ago:
“Cuba lived, for many years, on large amounts of OIL and MONEY from Venezuela. THERE WILL BE NO MORE OIL OR MONEY GOING TO CUBA – ZERO! I strongly suggest they make a deal, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DJT”
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115876460615555838
mark bofill,
It is an interesting technology. The typical “crowd control” system uses very high frequency, and the penetration depth is only ~1 mm, so intense sensation of heat on the skin. I’d guess the military version uses much lower frequency (eg ~ 2GHz ….. like a microwave oven) which has a penetration depth in tissue of multiple cm….. at high power that penetration could indeed cause very rapid injury/debilitation/cooking. Nerve cells in the brain probably don’t do well with high induced currents. The wavelength at 2 GHz (15 cm) is still easily focusable.
Easy enough to defeat (surround yourself with a grounded fine aluminum screen), but no doubt horrible if you are un-protected.
It would be interesting if such a weapon could disable an area very quickly. It would suggest the intent was capture, not kill. They could have just bombed the compound and been done with it. In a lot of ways this is the cleaner option so you don’t have to deal with casualties or the trial mess, of course not cleaner in some ways too.
I get the impression they didn’t try very hard to capture Bin Laden. They were worried about bombing that house because they could never verify he was really there.
I also wouldn’t put it past the CIA to have planted this story as a psyop.
Ick… but ok… it’s a weapon.
Sounds a little like how 11 reacts to merely using her powers. (Her nose bleeds and sometimes she falls over. No vomiting blood.)
SteveF
Yeah… thought of that…. need fabric to use if we have a zombie apocalyse. Solution doesn’t need to be perfect I don’t think. Just reduction is enough.
Cuba / Venezuela were defiant because they are worried about being dependent on the US and US imperialism. Defiance doesn’t work either as it turns out.
Good point! All I need to do is extend some screen meshing down from my tin foil hat. Sort of like chainmail! 🙂
The Faraday Burka.
Tom Scharf,
“I also wouldn’t put it past the CIA to have planted this story as a psyop.”
Absolutely. Credibility of the story hinges on corroboration by others who were defending Maruro, and it sounds like not many (any!?) survived. I have not thought about the power level needed for an effective weapon, and whether that level of power could be easily carried in a helicopter. The crowd control versions are truck mounted, and generate at least tens (hundreds?) of KW of power at very high frequency. It would seem a military version would need to have a delivered intensity of over 10 KW per square meter (heating exposed tissue, at considerable depth, at a rate of ~10C per minute or more).
mark bofill,
Tin foil hats may turn out to be useful after all!
Tom Scharf,
“Faraday Burka.”
LOL.
Mark
What I was thinking… if for “top secret” communications you need to be very careful to not have “holes”. Because someone listening to a communication and intercept the EM comes out of the hole and do some signal analysis. Now… they need to aim detectors right… but it could be done…right?.
But for just blocking a lot to prevent the nose bleed/vomit… having some gaps might not matter so much? I’m sure dose matters. I mean… some of the “E” part of up and down oscillation of the “wave ray” hit the wire, that wipes it out… Doesn’t get through. But maybe some gets through a small gap– that might not be biologically significant?
Or am I smoking something?
I noticed the lack of collaboration on that story too. It may have happened, but I’m skeptical because I traced every story back to the same source.
Lucia,
Gaps much smaller than the wavelength don’t matter a lot. A conductive mesh with holes much smaller than the wavelength is essentially 100% reflective, so long as the metal thickness is greater than the “skin depth” (electromagnetic penetration depth) for that metal, which is typically microns.
The original microwave ovens (eg 1969?) often had a fairly coarse perforated metal layer in the front door (couple of mm hole spacing) with an operating wavelength of ~10 cm. The shield was in fact 100% reflective, with only an “evanescent field” that extended about a mm past the holes. But if you put you hand against the shield on the outside you could perceive heat because your hand interacted with the evanescent field, making the shield a little less than 100% reflective. At the time I first observed this I didn’t know anything about how EM fields interact with matter (Gustave Mie’s Theory), but the surprising observation of slight heating outside the microwave shield stuck with me until many years later when I could understand the mechanism.
Anyway, Mark Bofill’s extension of his tinfoil hat should be protective. 😉
~grins~
I was curious about my skepticism of the new weapon so I asked Grok if he could verify the new sonic weapon the US used in the attack in Venezuela. This was his response:
“Essentially all the circulating accounts of the “sonic weapon” or directed energy device causing nosebleeds, vomiting blood, and collapse trace back to a single unnamed Venezuelan security guard’s testimony.”
That was the same conclusion I drew. It doesn’t prove it didn’t happen but it sure looks suspicious.
SteveF
I know. But sometimes, people might want openings to stick their hands in and out. They might not be perfectly sealed– over lapping, but with a gap. So I was thinking of small regions with larger holes.
Also, as clothing wears or tears you could have small holes in your burka.
Otherwise, if made of properly woven fabric, it could be lurex– thin enough to be a veil.
Russell.. oh well. SciFi is always fun.
Lucia,
Anytime we get to talk about tinfoil hats, I’m in!
Talking about “sonic weapon” & SciFi made me think of this –
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=live%20hawkwind%20sonic%20attack&mid=F2106A516C08554C9740F2106A516C08554C9740&ajaxhist=0
Men’s bodies in women’s sports will be before the Supreme Court on Tuesday. I don’t expect it to be successful.
Tom– What’s the name of the case?
Never mind… I found them. 🙂
https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/01/the-transgender-athlete-cases-an-explainer/
Little v. Hecox and West Virginia v. B.P.J.,
Maria Drutska:
“ Putin’s “3 day” Special Military Operation has now lasted longer than the USSR’s WW2 fight against Nazi Germany.
And as of now, Russia fully occupies ZERO Ukrainian oblasts.”
https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/2010608936060359031?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
“Maybe Putin should study the fate of the Austro-Hungarian Empire after 4 years of attritional warfare.”
USA Today:
“The cheeky term “Mar-a-Lago face” is being used online to describe an “aesthetic characterized by full lips, high, prominent cheekbones, bright white teeth, a strong jaw line and minimal facial movement with well-defined eyebrows,” explains Dr. Samer Jaber, a dermatologist at Washington Square Dermatology in New York City.
Online users have posted videos pointing to several prominent Republicans they say embody this look. And The Guardian recently reported plastic surgeons were increasingly fielding requests from patients who were inspired by the likes of Kristi Noem, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Laura Loomer and Matt Gaetz.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2026/01/07/mar-a-lago-face-maga-makeover-trend-2026/88047816007/#
The Idaho case is interesting because the plaintiff dropped out of (girls) sports, and now asks the SC only to dismiss the case as moot. This is clearly a strategic move by the plaintiff’s backers, since it would automatically leave in place the Ninth Circuit’s ruling against Idaho (blocking the law banning biological males in female sports), while not giving the SC a chance to overrule the Ninth Circuit. Similar moves have been used by ‘progressive litigants’ in the past, trying to keep the SC from ruling on controversial cases they expected to lose (eg on strict gun laws). The Court’s conservatives really don’t like that strategy, so will likely ignore the request for dismissal and rule for Idaho on the merits.
Yes. Asking the SC to dismiss is an interesting tactic.
More information on that secret the new ‘nonlethal’ weapon the US deployed in Venezuela….
just before the security forces felt the effects of the weapon they heard the leader of the US team say “set phasers to stun”.
Hmm… In (h/is/er) request to drop the case,
So, if the SC agreed, they would throw out the ruling by the 9th circuit. That means it would not be a precedent in ID. Hecox is the transgender athlete. So, as political strategy this would remove a 9th circuit ruling that Hecox would, presumably, “like”.
I may be biased but I don’t see this as having much chance. The SC took up this case for a reason and I suspect that reason is this madness needs to stop. Most of the international sports bodies now require testing for biological sex. Perhaps one minor concession would be is to have two categories for sports (women’s and open).
There have been a whole series of cases where states sensing they bit off more than they can chew reverse the state laws to attempt to prevent a losing case making it to the SC for a precedent setting event. Gun control for example.
Lucia,
“So, if the SC agreed, they would throw out the ruling by the 9th circuit. That means it would not be a precedent in ID.”
Thanks, I mis-read the details of the request. But even if the specific ruling by the 9th is struck, the legality of the Idaho (and other states) ban then remains in doubt. Some lunatic district judge would surely rule the same way again, and the 9th would almost certainly again uphold the district judge the next time a trans-gender sports case comes along, meaning Idaho would have to re-litigate the question all over again. Tom Scharf is right: the SC is very likely to settle the question by ruling on the merits, not on mootness. Avoiding an unfavorable SC ruling by claiming a controversial case is moot is a tactic used by progressive litigants on multiple occasions.
I should add that “Science” and the media’s attempts to obfuscate whether men had advantages over women in sports was particularly shameful. More research is needed, it is unproven, blah blah blah.
What an embarrassment, as if the citizens don’t all have relevant experience here and it is some esoteric niche subject that only activists can render a judgment on.
Tom Scharf,
“… some esoteric niche subject that only activists can render a judgment on.”
We should all remember that only an expert in biology can actually say what a woman is. Given that complicating fact, whether or not men have a physical advantage over women in sports is way beyond the level of expertise possessed by ordinary voters or their elected representatives.
Russell
The funny thing is it could easily have been called “Hollywood liberal campaigner face.” This face has been popular among people who get procedures done for a long time. The MAGA bunch did not invent it. They are just currently visible.
It’s the “Angelina Jolie” face. Jodie Foster? Look up almost any actress over 40. If they had surgery, or improvements, they went for at least higher cheekbones, brighter teeth, stronger jawline and botox- which is the minimal facial movements.
Heavy brows are in, but of course they don’t want to be bushy. So carefully groomed is “prominent”. It’s not just a “Mar-a-lago” thing.
SteveF,
I’m sure the motivation to have the SC dismiss the case is the “trans” side are very worried the probability the SC will rule against them is much too high. They prefer the status quo of at least some lower courts ruling for them and being able to use courts to make it very expensive for schools etc. to not give them their way by setting side laws that are currently being passed in at least some states.
While they would like a ruling throwing these state laws out, they fear the laws being allowed. And they fear the courts literally decreeing that when used in a law, the term sex ? gender identity, it means “biological sex”. They don’t want the situation to be that if state or federal legislatures mean gender identity, they need to say ‘gender identity’ And they also fear the likelihood that after the ruling– and the changes in the deference to agencies– that they would actually need legislatures to enact laws to give specific protection and rights based on “gender identity”.
It will be very difficult to get even somewhat liberal leaning legislature to pass laws giving male->female transgenders the right to “be” female in terms of getting things like beign put in female prisons, being allowed in women’s locker rooms. The preferences is to get laws that did not intend to do that to be interpreted to do that.
We might be able to argue semantics. But giving transgender places on school teams based on their “gender identity” was not what legislatures planned at the time they passed that law. And I don’t think the trans-supporters could muster enough support to pass a law that intentionally did such a thing now, in the near future, or the forseeable future To many politicians would lose their next election if they openly backed a clear law that said that.
And to even come close to passing such a law… the discussion would turn to ‘proving’ you were really truly serious, you had fully transitioned (like getting your tackle removed) yada, yada, yada. They don’t want that to even be discussed. They want to law changed without discussion and without engaging some very real quesitions– that honestly matter.
Tom
When there is scant research for any reason this rhetoric is used by “both sides” when it’s convenient.
That men have advantages in physical sports should be the “null” vis-a-vis demanding evidence to overturn the pre-existing notion. That idea is largely correct for sports that involve running, jumping, lifting heavy objects etc and it has been well known for a while. Women’s bodies have some advantages, but it’s not in the 100 m dash, and that’s not just due to socialization.
And note: some of the people who want to use “needs more research on [whatever]” specifically did not think there ‘needs to be more research on long term effects of Covid vaccines before we require people to get the vax.”
I’m a vax enthusiast. But I can still see how this “needs research” is used rhetorically and inconsistently. If “needs research” favors the outcome “I want”, “I” embrace it. If it disfavors it… well.. no.
Of course I’ve put “i” in scare quotes because I do try to recognize the thinking and rhetoric and avoid it.
AFAICT this case would allow bans to take place but not forbid other states from allowing it (similar to abortion).
There is a separate issue of Trump enacting executive orders withholding funding from all schools that allow it that is not before the court.
What happens is that what legitimately needs more research is whether all the biological modifications such as hormone therapy, early transitioning, testosterone limits, etc. bring trans athletes back to fair competition. This is intentionally obfuscated by activists to cloud the entire subject. You can’t make people less tall.
My view is that this research field is a minefield of activist corruption and the entire subject needs to be tabled. The academy’s loss of credibility hurts them here.
Lucia,
“That idea is largely correct for sports that involve running, jumping, lifting heavy objects etc and it has been well known for a while”
The advantage extends to all kinds of precision eye-hand coordination: https://www.newsweek.com/trans-sport-pool-women-harriet-haynes-2056357
Same thing with putting accuracy for PGA tour pros vs LPGA tour pros (men average about 3% better). (Note: they are ALL much better than me!!!)
SteveF
Interesting. I limited the list of places where men have advantage to rather obvious things. I don’t play pool. Most people don’t. So I think that’s less obvious to people because, among other things, we just don’t watch it or play it.
The thing is, even to the extent that it’s “nurture” rather than “nature”, the “nurture”– or how other people treat you and how that affects your opportunities– isn’t necessarily “female” just because your inner mental state (i.e. gender identity) is female. Your parents, teachers etc might still have let you off the hook on whatever things they insisted on for “girls” and allowed you to do what “boys” do.
It’s not impossible that on average, male-female transitioners were treated like boys when they were boys. That could have included more latitude to play pool. I’m not going to say it’s not physical…. but both the nature or nurture theory of why the women’s classes exist still suggest the male->female transitioners have an advantage and the categories to protect the women should be maintained by excluding them.
Yep. Likely.
Oh sheesh. I read an article about a company that was making sort of “overlays” for piano with narrower keys. So the distance your fingers span to play an octave is less. These were marketted toward women. And some people claimed… well.. women should just to hand stretching exercises. Like it isn’t just inherently easier to paly Rachmaninoff with the big spreads in notes if your hands are big. As if men with big hands can’t do the same dang stretchingthing and if they did, composers could then write music that could be played by men with big hands who also do stretching exercises.
And it’s like telling 5’10” men they can dunk basket balls just as easily as 6′ 5″ men. All they have to do is work on jumping higher. Yeah… sort of.
Tom Scharf wrote: “AFAICT this case would allow bans to take place but not forbid other states from allowing it”.
Maybe not. If “sex” in Title IX means “biological sex” excluding gender identity, then Title IX would arguably prohibit allowing men to compete in women’s sports. As it should,
Tom,
Sure. But I think these cases are (likely) just about whether a state can forbid something. Allowing states to disallow something doesn’t say other states must. That’s actually very similar to abortion.
But I think with transgender, fewer people are for giving trans all the rights they want– because it’s pretty evident that it takes away from women’s rights. The “right” to not be excluded from the women’s locker room does take away the right– or opportunity– for women to have their own private bathrooms. And then we can all be confronted with big swinging d*cks of trans men->woman whose gender identity is consisted with keeping their tackle. And women lose a right to keep their bodies private from people who the potentially naked woman views as men. Because… well…among other things, the have a d*ck.
Abortion has a lot of moral implications. But one woman’s right to have an abortion does not take away another woman’s right to not have an abortion. One woman having an abortion doesn’t take away anything we see as another women’s right. Because we don’t see woman A as having a right to control woman B’s actions or life.
The issues are different.
I think whether the executive can do what Trump is doing is separate from these two cases. I admit I haven’t read them in details. But the articles don’t mention anything about Trumps directive.
I believe Title IX is about the required conditions for federal funding of schools(?). So trans sports would still be allowed but federal funding would be revoked. This may have the effect of a federal ban though.
The issue is similar to abortion only in that it is about whether states are allowed to ban it. It’s unclear what the range of possible outcomes are here.
I’ve played a lot of pool in my youth and I would say men are primarily better because they just play it much more often than women. At parties / bars the women simply wouldn’t play the vast majority of time. Since the ratio of players is so lopsided the number of elite players is also lopsided. Chances are a potential spectacularly talented woman pool player just would never take up the game.
That doesn’t mean there still isn’t some advantage. This also used to be true with women’s basketball but now elite women are way better than they used to be. The gap has closed but there is still obviously an inherent advantage for men.
Lucia,
“And it’s like telling 5’10” men they can dunk basket balls just as easily as 6? 5? men.”
Some things (like ability to jump) are mostly inherited. I am 5’10, and the closest I ever got to the basketball hoop was to brush the net with my fingertips. I have a younger brother, 5’9″, 140 lbs who could put half of four fingers over the basketball rim until he approached 40 YO. He could also (not coincidentally) consistently hit a golf ball well over 300 yards, in spite of his modest stature, while I never got much past 80% of that distance. Some improvements come from practice, but ‘native ability’ is a huge factor, especially at high levels of performance.
SteveF
Yes. And I’m sure regardless of the innate abilities he had, there were still 6’5″ guys with similar innate abilities who would have an advantage. Those guys still need to practice and learn, but you can’t just tell the 5’10” guy that if he practices enough he can over come the advantage of a 7″ difference in height.
Height alone isn’t enough. And a 1″ difference in height between you and your brother wasn’t an over-riding factor. Other abilities matter too. But the fact is, we know the average difference between men and women in somethings is pretty large. It matters for many sports, and it favors men. It’s not similar to a 1″ difference in height for basket ball– it’s more than that.
Tom Scharf,
“At parties / bars the women simply wouldn’t play the vast majority of time. Since the ratio of players is so lopsided the number of elite players is also lopsided. ”
OK. It is a nice explanation.
Why do you think Asian women (specifically from Korea, but also Asian women from other countries, and often raised in places like Australia) so dominate the LPGA? Is it that there are too few women of European descent playing competitive golf, inherited physical abilities, or is it some other factor(s)? Asian MEN do not dominate professional golf, as we all know, so it seems unlikely to be just genetics. (Note: but Tiger Woods is 1/2 Southern Asian!)
Tom Scharf,
If the issue is lack of enough “practitioners” of a sport based on gender, then the frequency of “exceptional” players ought to be linearly proportional to the number of practitioners. But I suspect that is not really the case. Maybe it is the “intensity/desire” level that matters more than simple numbers.
The fundamental problem with the trans-activist movement in my opinion is that they were using people with those conditions to fundamentally change what it meant to be male or female.
They rejected options where a biological male wanted to dress and act as female and was offered their own restroom and place to change but instead demanded to be allowed to use the female rooms.
This wasn’t about privacy but rather about society accepting and endorsing their conditions as if they were “real” women. The only objection I have to giving them a private room of their own is the additional cost but we could have fundraisers to pay for the work.
The activists could easily put their money where their mouths are but “privacy” and “safety” was never really their goal — for men, women, or other.
The other problem I have is with the way people try to change the language or the facts to conform to their political agendas. You want to push for something? Fine push for it but don’t try to change decades-old or centuries-old language to fit to your new view; be honest about it being new.
There is no way anyone who drafted or passed Title IX was thinking about “trans” anything at the time. Judges that claim to find that interpretation in the language need to take remedial English.
With fewer elite players the level of competition is also lower so people tend to reach lower levels of competence. People tend to learn from other elite players and many are more motivated to get better if they aren’t succeeding against the best players. A rising tide lifts all boats.
South Korean women got better at golf as a group around the year 2010 (?). I speculate this was based on better competition and / or more play in Korea.
I think there are many group sport disparities that cannot be easily explained but changing group culture is a significant part.
Tom Scharf,
“sport disparities that cannot be easily explained but changing group culture is a significant part”
For sure. Pedro Martinez was not the most credible claimant to be a baseball superstar (close to the least?), but superstar he absolutely was. Maybe it is a multi-factorial question, involving culture, desire, training, and… (shockingly) personal effort.
The neocon clown car is unlimited in duration and occupants. Why would anyone listen to this evil idiot? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2026/01/12/blinken_weve_gone_from_being_leader_of_the_western_world_to_hegemon_of_the_western_hemisphere.html
He and his ilk have interfered with peace n Ukraine enough times to be at lease somewhat culpable in untold thousands of deaths.
I sure wish he would shut up. Nothing he says is worth more than warmed over dog shit….. if that.
Remember how for years we were told that PBS funding was mostly local and private donations and that the federal government was only one percent or 2% at the most.
Well, ever since the federal government cut their funding PBS has been cutting back their programming; now they’re cuttin news programs
Oh darn!
“‘PBS News Weekend’ airs final episode after Trump spending cuts”
https://nypost.com/2026/01/12/media/pbs-news-weekend-airs-final-episode-after-trump-spending-cuts/
Lucia, your post:
“The funny thing is it could easily have been called “Hollywood liberal campaigner face.” This face has been popular among people who get procedures done for a long time. The MAGA bunch did not invent it. They are just currently visible.”
I find it ironic that MAGA, who claimed to be the adults in the room, are actually so shallow that they try to mimic the Hollywood crowd in appearance.
Suddenly, plastic surgery is endemic to conservatives.
Russell,
Some of the things people do with plastic surgery are things that just are more youthful looking. Have you aged and notice the skin around your chin is getting flabby? Has the skin around your eyes sagged? Are you getting wrinkles? Frown lines? Lips do get thinner with age, people just don’t necessarily realize it’s age.
The thing is: people who get plastic surgery tend to go a little overboard. This is not knew. And these people all hang around each other, so they stop thinking the faces have gone somewhat past what’s natural.
It’s not unlike ballroom dance makeup. At a ballroom competition, everyone thinks “you look beautiful” when you are wearing way too much make up– along with furry fake eyelashes. At a competition, my make up is put on with a trowel.
A few other things they are calling “magaface” are fashion. Fashion is what every one is doing– it’s hard to say who is imitating whom. Eyebrow fashions cycle. There were times when women plucked all their eyebrows and drew a very thin line on with pencil. But right now, “bold” eyebrows are in. This will pass and we’ll go back to something else. A fair amount of the eyebrow stuff is temporary (though eyebrow tattos are a thing.)
SteveF wrote: “Pedro Martinez was not the most credible claimant to be a baseball superstar (close to the least?”
I am guessing that you refer to his size and build? But he was pretty similar to Juan Marichal, Ron Guidry, Tim Lincecum, and probably some others.
Jose Altuve might have been a bigger surprise.
Fox News has been putting up beautiful people for a long time. I remember when women anchors at local stations pretty much timed out around 30 years old and were replaced.
To be clear, it’s OK to be smart and beautiful.
Group prejudice for beautiful people still remains, although there has been some minimal movement in that area. For whatever reason it seems to have a reverse affect if a women is to be successful at the CEO or country leadership level, here it seems you need to be not beautiful more often than not. I have no idea what is driving that psychology.
Mike M,
Well, Marichal pitched in a earlier era, and was a bit bigger than Pedro. Neither Guidry nor Lincecum ever made the Hall of Fame, and Lincecum in particular had a relatively short period when he was effective.
Greg Maddux may be a better example of a great pitcher who was not physically imposing, though unlike Pedro (who was overpowering and dominant) Maddux pitched with guile and extreme accuracy.
Tom Scharf,
Meloni (Italy) is still quite attractive, and as a young woman was (I think) quite beautiful: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fzoomboola.com%2Fimages%2Fcontent%2F2023%2F12%2F18%2Fgeorge-meloni-in-his-youth_39.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=52aebad889ae316a4ea4c7636e3dbdf9042d5c1d28c1e264e427c0dd33a58b01
NYT: “F.B.I. Inquiry Into ICE Shooting Is Examining Victim’s Possible Ties to Activist Groups
Former department officials warned that such a broad inquiry raised the specter that forms of political protests could be criminalized.”
Former department officials are warning of this, eh? I can’t possibly imagine they would ever get involved in something like that.
Only 7% of identity theft fraud is reported to the police. The local police treat it as a clerical event, they document it for legal purposes and almost never investigate it unless the perps are known and are local. The feds only address it when the numbers are large.
WTF, you think criminals might take note? Yes.
US losses from identity theft were $3.3B in 2020 and $12B in 2024.
On the news women and plastic surgery….
I remember when Greta Van Susteren was a young news personality. She was not unattractive, but no raving beauty. She had plastic surgery and came out worse.
Here’s before and after:
https://www.plastic-surgery-mistakes.com/greta-van-susteren-plastic-surgery/
SteveF,
Of course nobody would have predicted that a teen aged Pedro Martinez would make the Hall of Fame. You can’t really make that prediction about any teenager. But he was no the only little guy to achieve greatness as a MLB pitcher, although nobody else that small was as great as Pedro. A few guys who were a little bigger (Spahn, Ford, Marichal, Maddux) did make the Hall of Fame. And Maddux was from the same era.
Mike M,
I suspect the era of electronic ball/strike calls means pitchers will not have as much advantage as in the past. Mistakes in ball/strike calls tend to more often favor the pitcher. My guess is the league batting average will increase and that gaudy strike-out walk ratios will become less common. The catcher “framing” questionable pitches will no longer matter much.
Speaking of Pedro: the worst robbery of the Cy Young in history was in 2002 when Barry Zito (23-5) was given the award over Pedro (20 -3)….. in spite of Pedro being a much better pitcher in every statistical measure, leading the league in most pitching categories…. while Zito lead in none. They just didn’t want Pedro to get a 4th Cy Young.
SteveF wrote: “Mistakes in ball/strike calls tend to more often favor the pitcher.”
I don’t see why that would be so.
I doubt the challenge system will have much effect on batting stats or framing since it will be mostly the egregious bad calls that will be challenged. Borderline calls won’t be much affected since they won’t be challenged except at the most critical times.
I have a post in moderation, I think because Firefox broke autofill and I forgot the type the period.
Funny Excerpt by CNN
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/supreme-court-arguments-transgender-athletes-01-13-26?post-id=cmkco0dd600003b6phl4gxe6x
And it ends there, ha ha. CNN doesn’t provide the answer that was provided, or if one was provided.
I haven’t listened to the arguments yet but the moving goal posts appear to be that “when trans people have limited their athletic ability to a women’s level, level TBD, as verified by agency XYZ, then they should be allowed to compete.
So as long as they are really women then they should be counted as women. Details to follow. I don’t think that is going to cut it.
NYT: “Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow
Joseph H. Thompson, a career federal prosecutor who was the acting U.S. attorney for Minnesota last year, was among those who resigned as the Justice Department sought to examine the woman’s supposed ties to activist groups.”
Interesting. Good’s wife was obviously an activist. This isn’t actually relevant to what the officer’s perception was at the moment of the shooting other than her interaction being hostile, her trying to enter the vehicle, and her telling Good to drive away
I only see this alleged background schmear as being relevant if Good’s supporters / prosecution are portraying her as “mom / poet out for a drive who was innocently turning around and got maliciously killed by ICE”.
Good’s wife never released her video of the event. My speculation is it wasn’t helpful. Apparently stalking ICE agents and blocking them with cars (ICE watch) was a thing before the shooting. It was poorly executed in this case.
An audio and transcript will be posted on the SC website, so we can hear the answer to Alito’s question. Justice Jackson had the option to not answer the “what is a woman” question during her bizarro confirmation hearings, but litigants before the court do not. Count on that question to be asked multiple times whenever (if ever!) one of these insane trans cases comes before the Court again. The trans nuts are going to lose every time, because their argument is based on irrational beliefs.
“Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow”
Good, 6 fewer incompetent prosecutors. The people involved should all be prosecuted for interfering with Federal law enforcement.
I saw on the Babylon 5 subreddit just now a report that Scott Adams has died and the “loving leftists” could say nothing but “good riddance” and call him names.
It’s rather comical how they talk about the opposite side being hate mongers then proceed to spew vitriol and actually wish bad things on people who disagree with them. It goes right with calling their opposition fascists (or worse) then demanding government control over their ability to speak or even exist. Project much?
I read most of the SC oral argument transcript.
Conclusion 1: 5/4 or 6/3 (maybe 7/2?) to allow states to ban trans-females (AKA males) in women’s sports.
Conclusion 2: Jackson is frighteningly dumb.
Conclusion 3: Sotomayor is half as dumb as Jackson.
FYI the answer was:
“We do not have a definition (of a man or a woman) for the court”.
Ha ha. Title IX has rules for men / women in sports but they can’t define that, nor even comment on it. That is a summary of why they will lose. They are arguing that each state can just make up its own definitions in their own statutes.
The arguments from the lawyers were all over the map and nearly incoherent. It was like watching Matt Walsh’s “What is a woman” all over again.
There were lots of arguing over who has the burden of proof in a dispute, etc. They all pretty much agreed the science says men are superior in sports but what it takes to turn a man into a woman for the purposes of competition was unsettled (and may never be). The liberal justices never considered harm to real women in sports.
I doubt the state trans bans will be overturned. Whether a federal countrywide ban on trans comes before the court later is TBD.
A FINAL MESSAGE OF SCOTT ADAMS
If you are reading this, things did not go well for me.
I have a few things to say before I go.
My body failed before my brain. I am of sound mind as I write this, January 1st, 2026. If you wonder about any of my choices for my estate, or anything else, please know I am free of any coercion or inappropriate influence of any sort. I promise.
Next, many of my Christian friends have asked me to find Jesus before I go. I’m not a believer, but I have to admit the risk-reward calculation for doing so looks attractive. So, here I go:
I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, and I look forward to spending an eternity with him. The part about me not being a believer should be quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven. I won’t need any more convincing than that. And I hope I am still qualified for entry.
Live look in on what the Webb and Hubble telescopes are looking at. Interactive and incredible resolution..
https://spacetelescopelive.org/
“Sadly, the Great Influencer, Scott Adams, has passed away… He will be truly missed. God bless you Scott!” – President Donald J. Trump
BTW, for future reference, any criticism of future Democratic presidents will be met with four words: Donald Trump. Shut up. Actually, most responses will consist of six words.
starting on page 98
From
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2025/24-38_bqm2.pdf
Lucia,
It is obviously very difficult to define a woman. At least for the lunatic left. The lady embarrassed herself dancing around to avoid answering Alito’s question.
Thomas Fuller,
I fear you are losing control of your thought processes.
Thomas
And then
(a) no one will shut up and
(b) the Dem’s will lose the argument with a large fraction of the audience.
Lucia,
It is telling that was the best they could do when they saw that question coming a mile away.
There were a bunch of sequences like that at other times / other subjects. Mind numbing. They only lightly discussed “administrability” of these statutes and it was obvious that beyond baseline circulating testosterone that it was going to be very messy administrating disputes based on qualification for women’s sports.
They also made the claim that tall girls have an even bigger disadvantage because that increased bone mass is driven by less muscle mass and testosterone than on a man. In this view tall girls should be allowed more testosterone for things to be “fair”. It’s unworkable.
They all forget trans people can still play sports, either through the indignity of playing on lesser men’s teams or perhaps club sports for women that allow it, or in open competitions. My view is the trans advocates did their cause a disservice here, maybe they saw this too late when they tried making the case moot.
Thomas Fuller:
I see that I’m not the first to reply, so I apologize if it seems like piling on, but — yours is the most puerile post I have seen here at the Blackboard.
Thomas Fuller,
Being continuously performatively angry doesn’t count for much anymore in US politics. Have at it if you think it is helpful to your side. Trump is baiting you, and you are taking the bait.
Tom,
I discussed with ChatGPT. It’s good on what the legal issues are. (e.g. what does equal protection require? ) At least in the conversation with me, it thinks the State will win this one, and it thinks the State has the much better argument.
I did specifically give it Alito’s cross above and the link to the full oral argument. We also discussed Bostok– I already thought the distinction between Bostok and this case is clear.
BTW: ChatGPT gives best odds to 6-3 outcome. But neither 7-2 nor 5:4 is beyond the realm of possibility.
It also thinks the majority will be penned by Barrett or Alito.
I’m going to a dance lesson now…. So I can post highlights later.
Yes, the Supreme Court oral argument often reveal a different legal structure than anticipated by reading the news. They spent an inordinate amount of time on what the levels of legal scrutiny should be due to this being a form of potential sex discrimination. Since they couldn’t define “sex” for the most part this stuff just went around in circles.
I would honestly laugh in the face at anyone responding to me like this. I don’t even like Trump and my response to people shrieking about him is also 6 words:
“Bill Clinton. Barack Obama. Joe Biden.”
No expletives required. The names should be expletives all by themselves.
Tom Scharf,
The appropriate ‘level of scrutiny’ was what those wanting to keep states from blocking trans-women (AKA men) from participating in women’s sports kept talking about. Utterly beside the point. Biological males should never play in women’s sports….. no scrutiny needed.
Derek H,
Clinton wasn’t as bad as Obama and Biden. Clinton went along with some compromises that helped US finances. The other two? Terrible. In every way.
Trump’s ICE tactics are over the top but I guess this is what in-country immigration enforcement actually looks like. Both sides are inviting these thuggish encounters between protesters, and both sides think it helps their side.
The right obviously loves them because they are all over X. A beat down of an over zealous protester plucks the right emotional string for people who think protesters are being coddled and aren’t paying any price for unlawful civil disobedience. Block the road, get pushed down on your a**.
Results? If non-engaged voters are wondering which side supports immigration enforcement and law / order then these engagements make it pretty obvious. If you are more worried about a fascist state making everyone show their papers SS style at road blocks then this also makes it obvious.
Tom Scharf: “Being continuously performatively angry doesn’t count for much anymore in US politics.”
The Democrats are betting on performative anger winning the midterms. Based on results last fall, they might be right.
I think that the Dems have concluded, not without reason, that persuading people is irrelevant. All that matters is which team can turn out the most voters (or most ballots). They have concluded that ginning up anger is the way to turn out their voters. And that also serves as a way to keep people from questioning what the Dems are actually for.
My hope is that they will overdo it by such a large margin that they will make Trump supporters mad enough to turn out in large enough numbers to carry the midterms.
But then, I am a convicted cockeyed optimist. Repeat offender.
The Democrats will likely win the midterms for the same reason the ruling party almost always takes losses. Governing is hard, and all the over-promising to get to power is rarely delivered.
Trump is playing their game here head on. Make everything a base emotional performance.
I agree. Dems will probably take the House. 3/4 or 4/5 chance, the way things are going, is my guesstimate of the odds.
Steve,
No, Clinton wasn’t as bad as Obama or Biden but he was still bad. Clinton’s actions on the world stage were what reinforced Osama bin Laden’s view that America was a paper tiger and initiated the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and culminated in 9/11.
In my opinion, Carter was the third worst US President of the last 100 or so years (maybe ever) with Obama and then Biden topping him but Clinton was a worse human being than Carter by a long shot.
Any Democrat that wants to talk about Trump as a womanizer needs to explain their past support for Clinton. I’m not saying Trump wasn’t a womanizer but his affairs with Marla Maples (while married to Ivanka) and Karen McDougal were cooperative events. He didn’t send state troopers to go rope girls in as Clinton was alleged to have done.
Any Democrat who wants to talk about the economy needs to defend Obama, Biden, and Carter first. Trump has done stupid things like talking about annexing Canada but that was a far cry from completely tanking recoveries to the point of having to redefine what a recovery was like Obama and Biden did.
Derek H,
Yes, Clinton (and his many enablers, including Hillary) abused Clinton’s victims. (“Drag a $100 bill through a trailer park….”). He treated women horribly, abused his positions of authority, and was as bald faced a liar as ever existed. But his policies were no where near as damaging to the country as those of Carter, Obama, and Biden.
Mark Bofill,
Yes, about 80% chance Dems will control the House…… meaning nothing but investigations and impeachments until Trump leaves office in Jan 2029.
Republicans need to pass a reconciliation package this year that largely dismantles the worst parts of the Federal government, and hope they keep control of the Senate long term, so that all those nightmares can’t return too quickly.
They also need to convince Alito and Thomas to resign while Trump can appoint replacements….. But I doubt that will happen.
uh oh….
There are no USAF or USN aircraft flying with their transponder on anywhere in the Middle East or Asia.
The hour may be at hand (or maybe not).
Mike M,
If Trump could control his urges to say crazy things, Republicans might have a chance. But he can’t. Everything that comes out his mouth gives Dems yet another reason to rally their angry base to turn out for the midterms.
Trump will not like the second half of his term.
Trump loves conflict.
more weirdness….
4 USAF Stratotankers have just taken off from Qatar.
they are the only US military aircraft in the air on flightradar24.
Screenshot.
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2011519367855685981?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
15 minutes later, and now there are six tankers in the air
Russell, I think you’re right. I think it’s going down, whatever it is. Hitting Iran would be my guess.
I’m not sure what will be accomplished with another strike on Iran unless they go directly for leadership.
Attacking their economic assets will give the regime a distraction from their internal squabbles.
it’s really odd seeing no USAF or no USN aircraft in the air anywhere in the Middle East or Asia
Here’s a screenshot of US military aircraft in the airfrom before the tankers took off:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2011525426066465142?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
What Russell can see, Iran can see, ha ha. If you want to hide something you make things appear normal.
My guess is there would be a “high visibility” stand-off attack using cruise missiles against oil terminals or a direct attack on leadership. My guess is the former without incursion of US jets into Iran’s airspace.
lots of chatter about what’s going on, nobody knows for sure…
To Tom’s point:
“It’s super unlikely that we are seeing tankers out broadcasting to see before a strike. Most likely show of force or assisting in movement of assets”
We might hit military targets in Iran, such as their facilities for missile production, space launch, and drone manufacturing. The last would be especially appropriate if they are using drones against their own people.
Iranian drones are also being used in Ukraine, that’s a twofer.
The estimated U.S. inventory of Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM) is approximately 4,000 units but they only build about 75 a year. There are two ways to retire an old missile …
TLAM….
I have read that there are about 1000 tomahawk cruise missiles that have been retired because they have been replaced with newer technology.
Trump blocked these from going to Ukraine. Perhaps he should undo that blockage
The USAF tankers flew south over the Arabian Peninsula, and disappeared from view.
The map at 3:20 PM Florida time showed no US military aircraft anywhere over the Middle East or Asia, screenshot:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2011533395130794053?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
SteveF
I apoligize if this is a repeat, but a lot of us believe that there is a close connection between Trump’s mouth and his brain, and I suppose are mystified as to how anyone could think there isn’t.
John your post:
” lot of us believe that there is a close connection between Trump’s mouth and his brain”
Yes indeed, and there appears to be no filter.
It’s why I find him so entertaining.
35°F predicted for Sarasota for Friday morning.
NOAA has issued a Falling Iguana alert.
I think Trump definitely has a filter between brain and mouth. But it is nothing at all like the typical politician’s filter. No media training for Trump! So it sounds either jarring or delightful, depending on your point of view. Sometimes both at the same time.
John Ferguson,
Trump seems to blurt out whatever is in his mind, even when a moment’s reflection would keep him from saying most of the crazy stuff. Was Trump really contemplating ‘running’ Venezuela? Invading Greenland? I really doubt it, and his administration (Rubio and others) explained what Trump did not the next day.
I wish Trump were thoughtful, more self aware, and more self controlled. But he isn’t. Of course, some of it may be just that he is trying to drive his political opponents crazy (no Canada won’t become a state). It has obviously worked perfectly with Fuller.
OTOH, Trump has nearly stopped illegal immigration, is deporting existing illegals at a good rate, ended the electric-car mandate, eliminated DEI in the Federal government and military, gotten rid of Maduro, set back the Iranian nuclear program, negotiated some more favorable trade deals, and eliminated a bunch of crazy programs that were wasting $billions. All good things.
Trump will be gone in 3 years, and I look forward to that…… Trump is just too much a tiring PITA.
Today’s report is that Iran has killed some 3,500 street protesters…. which scaled to the size of the USA would be 11,000.
Not worth an invasion, but maybe a bunch of bunker busters would help the protesters throw off this evil cabal of Islamic lunatics.
Sanewashing.
As far as I can discover, the term was first applied 19 2007 in an academic discussion.
It’s use now seems to describe the process of attmpting to show that something a politician has said or done which seems nuts is actually intelligent and worthwhile.
Which is not to day that I’m unhappy with all of the Trump accomplishments which SteveF had identified above.
I did get a kick out of the Danish threat to rename Greenland Epstein Land.
Despite all this, I continue to sense that Trump is losing it and at an increasing rate. Trump Kennedy Memorial Hall anyone?
I don’t think anyone really knows what is happening in Iran AFAICT, I doubt the regime is inviting the UN to the morgues to count bodies.
The internet blackout appears to be very effective, hardly anything is getting out.
For your entertainment only.
From a Senate hearing today, doctor refuses to answer the question of whether men can get pregnant and the political theater is on! I guess we will need another case that gets to the Supreme Court in order to settle this dispute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJFuhgeNbSE
Trump’s very significant accomplishments indicate that he is thoughtful. So does the care he takes when he intervenes overseas.
The fact that Trump routinely pokes fun at himself indicates that he is indeed quite self-aware.
I, for one, generally like the fact that Trump does not use the standard politician’s filter. Although sometimes he leaves me scratching my head.
john, you’ve made the assessment that Trump is “losing it” before but I have yet to see that backed by any evidence. Trump has said whatever he wants or what he feels serves his ego for decades, nothing has changed there.
He seems to think saying whatever is on his mind without the usual political filters makes him seem more authentic to the American public and so far, he’d be supported by the evidence. Even the Leftists who hate him don’t claim he’s faking it when he says things they hate.
We’ve covered this ground without profit before. Having failed to persuade John last time, I don’t have anything new to offer him. He thinks Trump is ‘losing it’ and won’t be persuaded otherwise, well, fine. Free country.
Trump sat down with 4 reporters at the NYT last week for a two hour interview. I don’t think Biden did 2 hours of interviews his last 2 years.
I cannot independently confirm the following, but it’s from a good source:
“News Nation reports that the USA is moving the aircraft carrier strike group Abraham Lincoln from the South China Sea to the Middle East.
It will arrive there in around a week”
Mark,
I concede that this is facetious, but suppose Trump does filter everything he says?
1:35 AM and there are still no US military aircraft visible in the Middle East or Asia.
No accounts of any attack.
well, some good news from a Brookings Institution study:
“There was a significant drop-off in entries to the United States in 2025 relative to 2024 and an increase in enforcement activity leading to removals and voluntary departures. We estimate that net migration was between –10,000 and –295,000 in 2025, the first time in at least half a century it has been negative.
In our assessment, net migration is likely to be very low or negative in 2026 as well.”
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/macroeconomic-implications-of-immigration-flows-in-2025-and-2026-january-2026-update/
The left might not like the things Trump does, but even they have to admit he’s effective at accomplishing what he said he was gonna do.
incredible video, Ukrainian ground drones evacuating wounded soldiers from the front lines. Video shows the POV from the ground drone, the control room, and views from aerial drones watching overhead.
https://youtu.be/TzU_LA8VSI0?si=JvKhZNPaULAAqh3t
I watched the splashdown and recovery of the astronauts from the SpaceX capsule. All four astronauts exited the capsule under their own power. It was not evident who had the medical emergency.
I love you John. I don’t want to antagonize you. I don’t see how you expect anyone to constructively engage a comment like your last one to me.
Fine, I’ll bite. Suppose he does. So?
President Trump posted a threat on Truth social:
“ If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don’t obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the Patriots of I.C.E., who are only trying to do their job, I will institute the INSURRECTION ACT, which many Presidents have done before me, and quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great State. Thank you for you attention to this matter! President DJT”
Mark,
The gag was that Trump does filter and what he really thinks is much worse than what comes out of his mouth.
And I conceded that this was an idea but a nutty one.
And then I remembered the stream of messages (?) he posts sometimes hundreds a night, calling for death for various people who he’s unhappy wth. The tone of the ones I see published seems to have drifted much darker in the last year.
Evidence of mental decline, except maybe in Biden’s case which was conspicuos, does not always show up in obvious episodes but thje decline may be seen in the trend of wht the subject verbalizes, or in Trump’s cased, posts.
One can agree with something that he’s posted without themselves being mentally challenged because one may rely on different premises from other people who may think it craazy.
Death for Mark Kelly for stating a rule of war that’s drilled into our military people from the time they sign on?
Maybe that’s ignorance, not insanity.
John,
Did you read my responses the last time this subject came up, where I linked stories talking about ‘the weave’, as Trump puts it? As far as I could tell, last time around you ignored my response. Is there some reason that, if I invest time and energy discussing this with you this time around I should expect a different outcome? Because being stuck in a loop where you start discussions but never actually engage responses doesn’t strike me as a good or even entertaining use of my time.
We can try again, if you want. There are explanations out there of Trump’s speaking style (I think his social media use is an extension) that you have not addressed and appear to be willfully ignoring. What do you say to that?
Mark
I apologize for not responding to some of your posts. I had no intention of wasting your time.
I’ll go back to see what you wrote about the “weave” although my response to the idea when he first broached it was that it was nicer name for attention defecit syndrome.
In Trump’s favor, I think he’s easily bored and I definitley don’t see that as a problem depending on how he organizes his activities.
John,
If you disagree with the explanation, that’s fine. I wouldn’t have wasted your time bringing it back up if you had indicated that you had examined the argument and disagreed with it. Like I said, it’s a free country, it’s perfectly fine if you think Trump is ‘losing it’. I think most here disagree about that though.
[Edit: If, having examined our arguments and us having examined yours, we merely disagree, is there something further to say? My answer: beyond saying ‘agree to disagree’, I don’t see what. So I don’t understand why we keep returning to this.]
If I was a less trusting soul, John, I would think that you were deliberately trying to keep the idea alive because it’s your form of activism on behalf of the Democratic party, rather than any genuine desire for a real good faith discussion on the subject. But naive little lamb that I am, I am certain that is not the case.
john ferguson wrote: “suppose Trump does filter everything he says?”
Of COURSE Trump filters what he says. So far as I know, Trump has never spilled confidential information. Unlike Biden (example:”minor incursion”). He does not say things that express policy contrary to expressed policy. Unlike Biden (example: any number of statements on Taiwan). Trump routinely keeps his cards close to his chest, but I don’t think he has ever accidentally revealed what he has in his hand. Biden often did not seem to know what cards he had.
What Trump does not do is apply the standard media training filter to transform what he says into something anodyne and meaningless. I think that is good.
The claims of Trump calling for violence or peoples’ deaths are greatly exaggerated.
for some reason, I am finding this particularly unnerving….
Another day of no US military aircraft showing up over the Middle East or Asia.
Screenshot filtering out everything but US military aircraft at 10:30 AM Florida time:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2011823077189988676?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
john —
Trump seems to look at everything as a negotiation and starts the “discussion” at a fantasy level so he can “back down” but bring the other party over/closer to what he really wants.
In the case of Kelly, what the Seditious Six did in their video was encourage insubordination in the ranks, especially since they couldn’t name a single illegal order.
At its extreme, yes, that behavior could incur the death penalty. We however are not at war so that’s not a realistic penalty and I believe Trump knows that. However, merely mentioning that shocks the listeners so the actual potential penalty (reduction in retired rank, probably financial fines) feels much more reasonable and is more likely to be accepted by the general public.
I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: ignore what Trump says and watch what he does. As Ben Shapiro stated, Trump says a lot of s–t. Sometimes some of it is even rational or true.
My corollary is that a lot of what he actually does is quite rational and he uses outrageous public commentary to gain wider acceptance for what he is really after. Whether you agree with his actions or not, that strategy to shift how his actions are perceived is quite rational.
I concur that Trump’s policy actions are first rate. I almost never disagree with his actions.
I further agree that Trump’s jabberwocky is outrageous.
“Death for Mark Kelly for stating a rule of war that’s drilled into our military people from the time they sign on?”
I think there might be another angle of what Mark Kelly, et. al. were doing there. This was a prepared remark from an organized group with a specific purpose.
Publicly undermining leadership like this generally works exactly nowhere. The most common response is your future at an organization is ended but privately and beauracratically. Trump is doing it out in the open as he usually does.
One way to deal with Trump’s bluster is to never listen to what he says, works for me. I watch what he does.
Derk H is correct as to how Trump starts a negotiation. Trump would never open a negotiation by asking for the moon. No way would he not also demand the stars. Example: What does Trump want with regard to Greenland? A lot less than he is asking for.
But I think a lot of the outrageous stuff Trump says is not best seen as a negotiation. Trump is working to shift the Overton Window. He will not succeed long term unless he can do that. But to shift the Overton Window requires pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable. So Trump needs to say outrageous stuff.
The Left has been relentlessly pushing the Overton Window for decades. They have had great success. Just the other day, the Supreme Court heard arguments about whether a man could be a woman. Not long ago, that would have just been laughed out of court.
If a Republican were to do anything close to what the Seditious Six did, he would be widely condemned and quite possibly ruined politically. But Democrats can say such things without consequences. Except that now, thanks to Trump, it looks like one of the Seditious Six (Kelly) will suffer at least a small consequence (post-retirement reduction in rank and pension). The Overton Window will have shifted a bit.
The left became obsessed with speech control about 20 years ago and went way beyond reasonable.
One of Trump’s WMD’s is him completely ignoring speech codes from polite society and begging them to try to censor him. As it turns out the public was completely fed up with this soft censorship due to overreach and it ironically branded Trump’s BS artistry as authentic.
It’s been working for him for a long time and he isn’t going to stop.
Oh come now, Tom Scharf, Trump showing Lavrov the satellite photos of the Isreali Defense arrangements wasn’t spilling confidential information. The Israeli’s certainly thought so.
Do you have any idea what he’s discussed in his un-recorded sessions with Putin? Only the two of them know assuming the CIA hadn’t bugged the place.
As to the Deat h stuff being exagerated, do you really not know of the people who Trump has accused otf Treason and gone on to suggesrt that their offenses deserved capital punishment.
Or, fogive me, it’s ok when he does this because everyone knows it’s just Trump being Trump. Well that is true, but it is not a good thing.
I do completely agree with you that his complete lack of PC conciousness is wonderful. Thank God, it was about time. Although I spend a lot of time at one of the local colleges and it’s still there, along with the pronoun idiocy.
Mike M.
You don’t think Trump called for Mark Kelly’s death?
john —
Trump called for Kelly and the others to face trial for sedition and noted the crime could be punishable by death. That’s factually correct as a maximum sentence.
He also reposted tweets or posts by others to hang the Seditious Six. This is where he frequently uses the gray area of reposting because it allows him to put something out for public discourse without explicitly saying it’s the action he endorses.
Make no mistake — he likes to provoke public discourse with shocking statements but he also falls short of the explicit calls for violence or endorsement of such that get a pass from the Left for leftist causes (e.g., the anti-ICE, anti-DHS, et al protests).
I’m not a fan of either but it’s funny that there is so little focus on the explicit calls for violence by the Left with so much paid to Trump’s implied calls.
john ferguson, mark bofill,
I have not seen anything (so far) that makes me think Trump is suffering from dementia; quite the contrary…. his willingness to do long unstructured interviews suggest to me exactly the opposite.
The thing about dementia: it is inevitably progressive, and usually accelerates with time. I suggest returning to the issue in 6 -12 months or so.
Steve,
That’s sounds like a good plan to me.
john ferguson asked me: “You don’t think Trump called for Mark Kelly’s death?”
I don’t. Because he didn’t, as explained by Derek H above. Trump did fo further in that direction than I would like.
john ferguson,
Dang, I misspoke. I wrote: “Trump has never spilled confidential information.” I meant to say that he never did that accidentally in public remarks. But I think that should have been clear from context.
John Ferguson,
I’m not sure what you are getting at here. Trump is commander in chief and can pretty much do whatever he wants with very few limits as to classified material. Whether that is wise or not is another discussion and I’m sure in many cases Trump is not particularly wise about it.
What is this comment about Putin about?
The Kelly group was effectively asking members of the military to unilaterally refuse commands based on their personal views of the constitutionality of commands. It doesn’t work that way, they can refuse and if those commands are found to be constitutional later (likely in most cases with regard to commander in chief) then the person refusing commands can/will be rightly prosecuted or disciplined.
The military needs a chain of command to be effective so those breaking the chain better do so very carefully and very wisely.
In a similar vein a lot of people are running around claiming ICE enforcement is unconstitutional (see the nutty lawsuit filed by MN / IL). They can make those claims and test them in court, good luck. Federal officers get to enforce federal law in every state as it turns out.
Even when the action by the President is found to be unconstitutional, the remedy is to stop the action, it is not criminal prosecution. Biden wanted a vaccine mandate through OSHA, it was halted by the courts. Individuals in the healthcare industry didn’t unilaterally declare it unconstitutional in their opinion and refuse to carry it out.
IMO Trump is equally crazy now as he was in 2016. Read that as you want, ha ha.
The difference in the second term is he is much more proficient at using the levers of government power to accomplish his policy and vindictive impulses.
He’s a total a**hole who cannot be trusted, but he got elected so we are stuck with him.
Tom, I agree with most of what you’ve written above. Certainly to refuse to obey an order thought to be illegal carries the great risk the a court martial won’t agree.
The motivation for the “traiterous six” to make the statements they did regarding the basis in our military’s rule book and of a rule which apparently memorialized in a plaque installed somewhere at West Point is that there were numerous messages of concern emanating from the folks involved in the sinking of motor boats in the Carribean.
Officers at some level and above can refuse to do whatever it is and resign their commissions without (If I understood correctly) repercussions.
The Kelly group was NOT asking them to refuse an order, it was reminding them that they COULD, in the right circumstances.
I don’t like what ICE is doing, but I doubt thatit is unconstituional as the plaintiffs are likely to soon discover.
Have you forgotten the unmemorialized meeting between Trump and Putin a few years back?
John Ferguson,
I didn’t understand the death thing so I see that is about the call for Kelly’s death penalty. I didn’t even hear about that or completely dismissed it. Trump bluster. Even if they prosecuted him, which is very unlikely, it wouldn’t stand a chance. Trump probably wrote that taking a dump on his gold toilet at 3 am and got a good laugh and went to bed.
So if Trump directly orders the miltary to kill a bunch of civilian protesters for spite then this type of thing would apply and I would expect commanders to not carry it out. I don’t expect they needed a political propaganda video from Kelly to do it either.
I think it was performative politics all around.
Mike M.
I’d accept that he never accidentally spilled classified information and raise you one. I don’t think he’s done it at all, at least not in the public forum we have access to.
Is the concern that Trump / Putin meetings and phone calls are not properly documented?
I’m not very worried about that. IIRC Kennedy made a secret agreement during the Cuban Missile Crisis to remove US missiles from Turkey that wasn’t found out for decades.
Demagoguery isn’t the same thing as dementia.
Not to say demagoguery is admirable, only that it isn’t evidence Trump is losing his marbles.
Also, it’s a malformed concept to think the Commander in Chief can ‘spill classified information’. The whole system is implemented by executive order (Executive Order 13526 in fact, signed by Obama). With the exception of nuclear secrets apparently… It’s the President’s classification system to begin with, basically.
john ferguson,
As president, Trump can disclose whatever intelligence information he wants, to whomever he wants.
I do want to point out that the “But it’s Trump” exceptions to normal behavior grow tedious after a while. Obama ordered the execution of US citizens via drone strikes. I don’t recall retired military officers then issuing a manifesto reminding soldiers that they don’t have to carry out ‘illegal orders’.
As others have pointed out, refusing orders is highly frowned upon and can lead to imprisonment (or worse!); retired officers objecting to Trump’s orders needed to be explicit about what they deemed illegal, and been willing to suffer the consequences when a court-martial proceeding found them inciting insubordination. The rational that “It’s Trump, so you don’t have to follow orders you think are illegal’ is pure BS. Kelly will get demoted in retirement, and lose some pension: I say that is quite reasonable under the circumstances.
Mark,
you’re right, Pres can share classified information.
and Kudos for the term “malformed concept” It really is a brilliant turn of phrase.
john ferguson wrote: “The Kelly group was NOT asking them to refuse an order, it was reminding them that they COULD, in the right circumstances.”
The only way that claim stands up is if the Seditious Six were making a purely performative statement and that they did not expect anyone in the military to take it seriously.
The video was not in any way “educational” since it made no mention of the very limited circumstances under which an order can be refused.
They were most certainly encouraging members of the military to disobey orders. They said that: “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.”
The meaning of that paragraph is as clear as it can be while giving the Seditious Six plausible deniability. They are saying that Trump is a threat to the Constitution who is giving illegal orders to turn the military against the people.
They also said they will “have their back” if members of the military get in trouble for disobeying an order. And they threatened consequences for those who DON’T refuse orders. Combined with the fact that they said nothing about what the illegal orders might be, that amounts to an open ended encouragement to violate orders.
Mike M,
“This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.”
That is clearly a violation of the UCMJ, and blatant insubordination by a retired military officer. There is no “But it’s Trump” exception to insubordination, and Kelly is lucky he has not suffered greater consequences.
A legacy of Biden‘s DEI program will haunt Black people for years to come.
For example, the pilot of the rocket ship going to the moon is a black man. Since NASA had a DEI program in force when he was picked, there is no way of ensuring that color of your skin didn’t influence the choice. He may be the best goddamn astronaut in the entire corps, but we will never know because the selection process included skin color.
Grok says this:
• No Explicit DEI “Proof” Either Way: There’s no public evidence from NASA that Glover’s selection was primarily due to skin color over merit—his record stands on its own. Conversely, while DEI policies exist at NASA (as in many federal agencies), the astronaut corps is merit-based and highly selective, with only about 5% of astronauts historically being Black. Glover himself has emphasized focusing on the mission over personal milestones, asking NASA not to highlight his “firsts” during his ISS stay.
“An AI-powered program used by a police department in Utah drafted a preliminary report indicating that a police officer had transformed into a frog. It appears it picked up the concept from a movie running in the background of the scene.”
https://www.lehtoslaw.com
Edit to provide more direct link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNutsZDzFso — lucia
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Defense attorneys will have a field day attacking AI written police reports. The officer is signing a report that the AI wrote.
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A long and branching path of attack on the veracity of the report due to well documented issues with AI work product errors and hallucinations will give a defense attorney quite a bit to work with.
Mike M.
Of course the “seditious six” expoected to be taken seriously. I would think that you’d be aware that there is/was uncertainty in the military about the legality of the motorboat shoot-ups.
And there should be.
CBS?
“If a student’s sex is disputed, the law requires the athlete to provide a health examination and consent form that verifies their biological sex at birth,” one report from Tuesday read.
As opposed to gender identity.”
angech,
What is the point you are making? Was that information reported by CBS news in the USA? The Canadian Broadcast System? Somewhere else? What law or regulation is the basis of the report?
john ferguson,
“….there is/was uncertainty in the military about the legality of the motorboat shoot-ups.”
But that is not what they said. Had they said that, then Kelly would be subject to court-marshal as a retired officer. Claiming an order was/is illegal is subject to legal determination.
Ed Forbes,
What I often find in AI writing are critical errors that make the document completely false. Things like factor-of-10 errors in units are routinely present, and contradictory “facts” are often presented in the same document. Revealing, I think, what everyone understands: AI is not really “intelligence” at all, but a mindless, often inconsistent representation of what it finds on the internet.
Super-efficient at finding even obscure information. Crappy at evaluating information.
Looking more and more like the mullahs will stay in power in Iran……. no matter how many protesters they have killed.
Multiple news reports say the Europeans, Gulf States, and Saudi Arabia have all been working behind the scenes to keep Trump from attacking the Iranian regime.
SteveF
I’m having a hard time connecting what you’ve written above with what Kelly said in the reprise I saw..
None of the six specified a particular order to be disobeyed. Had they, your point might make sense to me.
I understand that the issue is/was under hot debate at MacDill especially after the resignation of an Admiral thought to involve the possibility that shooting up motor-boats was not a legal order.
My guess is they’d all heard that the issue was under debate, possibly/probably thought the order to shoot the survivors was illegal, possibly the entire campaign, and thought those who were in doubt about whaty to do might need some reassurance.
BTW: When I think it’s appropriate, I’ll be editing to add more direct links. Ed put a link to the “top” of a blog– which was probably appropriate when he visited it. But by the time I visited, it was no longer showing the story about AI saying a cop was turned into a frog. So I googled and found the direct link — the first I found was the video. I left Ed’s first link to the blog that reported it.
I used ‘darkblue’ for the font to indicate my edit.
Hope people don’t mind. I’ve been correcting accidentally dead links for a long time. I just figure in cases like this, my edit is fixing to do what the person commenting intended.
lucia,
feel free to help my posts at any time.
It got down to 37° on my back porch last night. It’s 42 now, warm enough for the heat pump sweet spot where it’s most efficient. I probably won’t even take a quick dip in the pool today.
is john ferguson13 a new handle?
“I understand that the issue is/was under hot debate at MacDill especially after the resignation of an Admiral thought to involve the possibility that shooting up motor-boats was not a legal order.”
OK, that is your understanding. What is it based on? Where is the formal statement from the admiral questioning the lawfulness of an order (or orders)? Or a statement from any active duty officer? I doubt they exist, because those officers understand questioning an order that is later determined to be lawful has terrible legal consequences for them personally. Please show me if I am mistaken……. I am happy to be proven wrong….. but anonymous sources quoted by MSNBC, or the other usual suspects, count for nothing.
That is why Kelly did not specify how “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution.” Specifying “how” would subject him to court-marshal. I don’t doubt Kelly thinks Trumps orders are unlawful. He just doesn’t have the courage to say so.
In a completely unexpected development:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/progressive-effort-primary-sen-john-fetterman-rcna254203
I guess a democrat must be purer than Caesar’s wife to avoid a primary challenge from the left.
The group targeting Fetterman ought to be aware Pennsylvania is not politically like California or Massachusetts. I am pretty sure they aren’t aware of that. Should they manage to unseat Fetterman in a 2028 primary, the winning candidate will likely hold views which lead to a loss in the general election.
john ferguson13 wrote: “I understand that the issue is/was under hot debate at MacDill especially after the resignation of an Admiral thought to involve the possibility that shooting up motor-boats was not a legal order.”
You are either being sloppy (my guess) or playing perfidious word games (I think not).
The orders to shoot up the drug boats were absolutely legal. Not a gray area. Clearly legal. That is true even if the President exceeded his legal authority in issuing those orders.
To be clear, I just said that the orders were legal even if they were illegal. The reason is because there are different definitions of what qualifies as “illegal”.
The military does not get to decide for themselves if orders are consistent with the War Powers Act or Supreme Court decisions. The circumstances in which an order can be refused are extremely restrictive. An order can be refused only if it is illegal in a certain narrow sense. Shooting up drug boats does not meet that criteria.
It is my understanding that under some circumstances senior officers can be allowed to resign rather than executing a questionable order. Perhaps doing that may have been under debate at McGill, although I am not accepting that the rumor is true.
john ferguson,
The Seditious Six were not talking about the drug boats. They said that “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.” The drug traffickers were not American citizens.
To the extent that their message did apply to the drug boats, the Seditious Six ought to be put on trial and convicted. That is because the only thing they had to contribute to that debate was a threat that amounted to saying: “If you obey orders we don’t like, then will we come after you when we get back in power”.
Of course, they can not be put on trial because they kept things vague enough that they can not be pinned down and refuse to say what they were actually talking about.
The Seditious Six are a disgrace.
The US Coast Guard has been taking out drug boats for years. I don’t see what difference it makes it now it’s the Navy.
Bigger weapons, bigger booms, but it’s the same concept. If you wanna crash the borders of the United States, should expect to deal with the consequences.
When the Israeli’s, Saudi’s, and Gulf States are all begging Washington to not do something, it is probably prudent to reconsider that action.
It is tempting to assume that the fall of Khamenei will lead promptly to a more reasonable stable government in Iran. But what if the circumstances are such that his fall will lead to chaos and civil war? If that happens, it happens. But we should probably not be trying to hasten it.
I think a case could be made that the opposition won’t be ready to govern until they are strong enough and well organized enough to push Khamenei out without our help.
Man, am I glad that I don’t have to make such decisions.
Russell,
I don’t think the Coast Guard blows the boats up.
SteveF
I live in St Pete and belong to an organization which includes active duty officers at MacDill. And despite Make M’s compelling reasoning, a military officer can suspect an order requires an action which may be illegal whether MIke M. thinks it is or not.
Additionally, discovered by Perplexity:
Although the issue of legality of the suspect orders is certainly debateable, the right of an officer or enlisted man to doubt that and refuse it is what we’re writing about here and that certainly is embedded in our system.
Here’s what Gemini tells me about the subject.
It doesn’t sound like questioning orders and disobeying them is all that ’embedded’ in our system to me. Shrug. I don’t actually know a lot about this though.
Common sense, right? If people feel free to question and disobey orders, the armed forces rapidly lose any semblance of disciplined activity and degenerates into rolling chaos where various personnel are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. The operational consequence is essentially paralysis. We can’t function like that. So – it doesn’t pass the smell test to me to think that soldiers can get away with questioning and disobeying orders lightly.
So which of Trump’s orders does anyone think were ‘manifestly illegal’?
Mark,
I think mustering elements of the National Guard and sending them to patrol cities is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. But that’s what I think, and I believe the “Seditiious six” think the same thing. And I suspect is what they were referring to in the quote SteveF has written.
It was likely Hegseths’s order not Trumps to kill the shipwrecked survivors. The public justification for this act is nonsense. Suspecting that they could radio for help is not in my judgement sufficient to overturn the proscription of “executing” the wounded, and that is a part of our rules of war. This entire Carribean adventure seems lawless to me.
I concede that a lawless act can provide a worthy benefit, but that doe’s not affect its illegality.
And while we’re discussing positive benefits of lawless acts, for my part, I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.
Certainly where someone is convicted of some crime, and is not here legally or in some cases is in the process of naturalization, that person should be deported.
The contractor who did the remodeling of our South Beach condo was depterted midway thorugh the job back to El Salvador because of a traffic infraction. He was gone for 6 months and returned by appeal from his american wife and 4 children. This was in 2000 IIRC.
So the mechanism for deporting un-nautrualized immigrants was clearly already in place.
Well John, in my opinion you are darned lucky you are not a soldier, because I very much doubt that Posse Comitatus Act violations are ‘manifestly illegal’. Similar goes for killing enemies; that’s what soldiers DO. I guess you can rest easy that it’s no skin off your ass if some poor fool listens to your bad advice and goes to prison for it.
John,
You know that thing called ‘Democracy’, that democrats are always going on about? Donald Trump was elected on a platform to deport illegal immigrants. So it’s nice that you’re completely against following the consequences of adhering to our legal, time tested, tried and true democratic process. Most of your fellow democrats seem to be as well.
john ferguson: “a military officer can suspect an order requires an action which may be illegal”
Of course he can, nobody has said otherwise. The question is what he can do about his suspicion. He can not simply refuse an order unless it fits narrow criteria. But if time permits, he can question an order and potentially take actions that fall in between refusing the order and blindly obeying it.
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“Although the issue of legality of the suspect orders is certainly debateable, the right of an officer or enlisted man to doubt that and refuse it is what we’re writing about here and that certainly is embedded in our system.”
An order can not be refused just because of “doubts”. Mark Bofill has clearly explained why. I think that what is embedded in the system are certain safeguards that can protect against bad orders (not just illegal ones) when time permits. Too bad the officers involved in planning the Afghanistan withdrawal did not avail themselves of those procedures.
In fact we don’t have to speculate:
Until a Federal judge makes a ruling, a soldier defies the Presumption of Legality at their peril.
Hey Mark,
I think Trump won fair and square in 2016 and 2024. That doesn’t mean that i have to agree with his policies. Did you agree with Obama’s?
FWIW, what we do in a combat situation and what the Ruissian’s do is very different. We have to protect our captives. The Russian’s in the other hand shoot them in the knees and let them go if they don’t have the wherewithal to take care of theml; if the prisoners are inconvenient.
During the war in the South Pacific, the Japanese in some circumstances executed their American prisoners.
And of course you are under no obilgation to agree with Posse Comitatus although it is presently the law of the land. Trump believes his use of the Guard was not subject the the act because he alledged an ongoing insurrection in Los Angeles although other people had a hard time seeing it.
No I didn’t but god damn it I didn’t call for people to disregard his authority like Democrats do with Trump. I didn’t and don’t believe that I have some sovereign authority to disregard the law whenever I happen to disagree with it as you and your team do.
Maybe team Democrat should back off. I know it’s a difficult concept for people who have been convinced for decades that they hold exclusive claim to all that is right and proper, but it’d do your team a world of good to seriously consider the possibility that just maybe you are wrong in what you are advocating for.
It’s not that I disagree with Posse Comitatus. That doesn’t have the slightest bit of bearing on anything I am saying. If you can’t follow the nuance of what I’m saying, I suggest you read and think more carefully.
Mark,
That’s an excellent point with which I agree, but there is still the provision for refusing an illegal order in our military rules. And of course one does so at possible risk of court martial and even death penalty depending on the circumstances.
And that’s really no different from passive resistance ala Gandhi. I have no use for people who want to screrw up the works without risk of arrest, asjudication and possible incarceration.
Rememebr where this country came from. How we were able to escape English rule and becomae a free nation. It was by activities which were criminal at the time.
As to liberal/democratic/?? behavioral challenges to the law, why limt it to us? I thought what happened on Jan 6 was a violent insurrection and for the most part so did the then existing authorities. A walk in the park, hardly.
john ferguson,
” I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.”
Which of course means you want immigration laws to be ignored, save for the parts a you might agree with. That is simple lawlessness. I am sure the people interfering with ICE operations in Minneapolis (and elsewhere) agree with you, and believe what they are doing is “right”. It is still lawlessness, and they should suffer the consequences of that lawlessness.
We have well north of 10 million illegal residents in the USA. They are in the USA because immigration laws have been ignored or barely enforced for a long time. Trump was elected in large part to enforce immigration laws. He is doing what he promised to do.
If you don’t like the laws, work to change them. Subversion of laws leads to chaos….. or violent revolution.
I’m done here. The hypocrisy has surpassed my capacity to remain civil.
Mark Bofill,
“No I didn’t but god damn it I didn’t call for people to disregard his authority like Democrats do with Trump. I didn’t and don’t believe that I have some sovereign authority to disregard the law whenever I happen to disagree with it ..”
That pretty well sums it up.
john ferguson,
“As to liberal/democratic/?? behavioral challenges to the law, why limt it to us? I thought what happened on Jan 6 was a violent insurrection and for the most part so did the then existing authorities. A walk in the park, hardly.”
I challenge you to find a single commenter here who said the Jan 6 storming of the Capitol was a good thing.
Yes, Jan 6 was lawless, and was broadly condemned by conservatives, not celebrated. NOBODY I know believes storming the Capitol building was appropriate. So is it your position that it was perfectly OK to send many hundreds of (non-violent) Jan 6 lawbreakers to prison, but we should give a pass to the many hundreds of people who are physically interfering with legal ICE operations?
Seems to me some lack of consistency there.
I said it before but I’ll say it again. I am quite sure the Seditious Six ran their statements through a lawyer to very carefully walk the line of legality.
That lawyer however may not have considered Kelly’s status as a retired military officer. My understanding was that retired officers with a regular commission could be called back to active duty within 10 years of retirement. I do not know or remember if that 10 year boundary was a matter of law or of practicality.
Regardless, the statements from the Seditious Six were clearly designed to encourage insubordination in the ranks. The claim that military and intelligence personnel were being used against American citizens was at a minimum inflammatory and none of the six could cite any specific instance to support the claim.
This by the way directly contrasts Obama’s knowing use of a military strike against an American citizen without judicial review and the use of intelligence operations against American citizens (not just citizens, sitting American Senators) in both the Obama and Biden administrations.
I will note that some people on all sides of the political spectrum questioned Obama’s military strike. I did not. The citizen struck was actively engaged in terroristic action against Americans overseas so I supported that action.
There is a long history in political propaganda of stretching the truth so much it becomes unrecognizable. Equating objections to illegal immigration to being generally opposed to immigration at all and therefore being racist. Recognizing the threat from Russia as wanting to bring back the 1980s-era Cold War. Opposing the destruction of public artworks being equated to supporting slavery.
It’s fair — in my opinion — to call for an investigation into Kelly’s statement and a legal determination. If he’s found to have encouraged insubordination, a reduction in retired rank and consequently his reduced pay for reduced activity (which is what military pension is legally classified as) could be warranted. I expect the investigation will end up with saying his statement walked the line but didn’t cross it but it’s fair to request the investigation.
There’s a new thread. I’ll close comments here soon. In the mean time, if you are discussing the transgender cases, do it here
https://rankexploits.com/musings/2026/west-virginia-v-b-p-j-spending-clause/
I’ll leave this open to let you guys discuss other important events– like ones involving Iran etc.
A lot of the determination for things like shooting up drug boats is more of a “who gets to decide” issue than a factual issue that the courts would adjudicate. The President / administration gets a whole lot of deference here.
Historically on matters of military intervention the courts stay very far away from the decision making. It’s just begging for a constitutional crisis that they will lose. My opinion is I don’t want the lawyers anywhere near an actual conflict.
Politically it is bonkers to take the side of drug runners for some esoteric legal determination, especially after Obama killed a US citizen with a cruise missile.
john ferguson wrote: ” I am completely against the deportation of peaceful but illegal immigrants who otherwise have no criminal records.”
I have several problems with that statement. One is the point that SteveF made: They are here in violation of our laws and nobody is above the law. Another is that when lawbreakers are encountered, the law should be enforced. The third is the issue of what counts as a criminal record. Finally, john’s claim advances the myth that the relatively innocuous illegals are the issue.
Efforts to hunt people down should focus on the following:
(1) Those with criminal convictions, either here or elsewhere. Hereafter, I will call those “criminal illegals”. This is, of course, the highest priority group but is not the only priority.
(2) Those charged with crimes.
(3) Those with final orders of removal.
(4) Those who are harboring criminal illegals or associating with such criminals, such as by being members of criminal gangs..
I ask John Ferguson if he has any problem with deporting people in those four categories.
So far as I can tell, very few of those detained and deported are outside those categories. The exceptions are likely illegal immigrants encountered in pursuit of those in the above categories.
I’m neutral on in-country immigration enforcement. If they are working hard, paying taxes, and aren’t committing felonies then I don’t care if they stay.
However if the elected representatives choose to enforce existing immigration law then that is OK too. Those opposed need to do the hard work to change the law and that is continuously overlooked for those allegedly dedicated to democracy.
It is notable that I personally am not impacted by an influx of low skill workforce. If I was then I might see things differently.
AFAICT the administration is not releasing the profiles of people that ICE is picking up. The legacy media is intensely interested in this for obvious reasons (Orange Man Bad) so DHS is reflexively denying them access to that information.
I’ve heard both 70% of those picked up have criminal records and that relatively few have violent criminal records. Maybe both are true.
If you have a deportation order then you should rightly be worried. The backlogged asylum system that most rely on for a delay loophole is broken, this is exploited and gamed by activists.
Mike M.
I agree with your categories and their disposition.
Fromthe news I get, there has been a daily head-count requested by Mr. Miller which cannot be met solely by arrest of convicted criminals whose crime is not simply illegal immigration. And this is exactly what the “libs’ have their panties in a bunch over. Arrests of school teachers, mothers, etc. etc.
SteveF,
My point as not that anyone here supported the Jan 6 affair, but that it happened, and the perpetrators did not appear to me at least to be wildly liberal.
And frankly, I’m getting a little tired of labeling everyone, alhtough maybe it is necessary for clarity.
Elderly Trumpists came to our no-king ( I wish it were no-dictator, but….) rally in Gulfport, were initially subjected to some disdain, and then welcomed and thanked for their bravery and participation in what would otherwise have been a pretty one-sided affair.
It was sort of, if I don’t hate you, maybe you won’t hate me. We can always hope.
john ferguson,
I dislike the idea of hunting down “nice illegals” just to meet a quota. I don’t know if that has actually happened although there seems to be some credibility to Border Patrol, but not ICE, having done that. But simply arresting illegals at a car wash or outside a Home Depot does not mean that they are after “nice” illegals. Border Patrol has since stopped such raids. I suppose that could be an admission that they were doing what they were accused of. Or maybe it was just a concession to the optics of their procedure.
OTOH, when the authorities do come upon “nice illegals”, they should be detained and deported. The law is the law.
Tom Scharf: “I’ve heard both 70% of those picked up have criminal records and that relatively few have violent criminal records. Maybe both are true.”
I think both are true; it all comes down to definitions. From what I have seen, the 70% number seems to include those charged with crimes. Those with convictions seems to be a bit under half. And of course if you narrowly define “violent” crime, then you get a much smaller percentage.
But the 70% does not seem to include those with criminal convictions elsewhere, or those with final orders of removal, or those affiliated with criminal gangs. The “nice illegals” may be the large majority of all illegals, but they are a very small fraction of those being rounded up.
Mike M and Tom Scharf
Let me look into this. My impression that tthe detained for deportation was running well over 70% with no other crime charged or convicted than their illegal immagration. It could very well be that you are correct. I recently went through an episode where all of my usual sources were crying injustice while omitting an important element opf the event which made their conclusions much less “ascertainable fact based”
Spouse hates it when I yell at the TV with “Tell the whole story, dammit”
Per Perplexity responding to a prompt which is conveyed in the respons:
If I suddenly took leave of my senses, and decided I wanted to live illegally in France (or Japan, or Brazil, or Chile, etc, etc), I do not expect the French would ignore my illegal presence because I am a “nice illegal” who doesn’t assault or rape people. They sure wouldn’t give me healthcare. Not sure why people expect something different in the USA.
Yes, yes, the worst of the worst should be the priority, But every illegal should be subject to the law…..AKA deportation.
“ARTEMIS II UPDATE – “GO” FOR ROLLOUT”
The rocket and spaceship is scheduled to leave the vehicle assembly building (VAB) on its way to launchpad 39B. It will be positioned atop the “the crawler”.
It will be streamed live starting at 7 AM tomorrow. Travel time will be 8 to 10 hours.
This is an enormous engineering feat in itself. Here is a picture of the crawler moving the space shuttle out to the launch pad. Notice the size of the human beside it for perspective.
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2012265472192876740?s=61
Details:
https://x.com/tlpn_official/status/2012241950343393596?s=61
Those in detention may include people not picked up in the raids, and criminal convictions are a different standard than those charged with crimes.
The only people who know the answer is DHS.
In my view a felony criminal charge is enough to pickup, detain, and deport an illegal. It’s a different standard than a citizen. Others disagree. If activists want to pay the bills for ongoing detainment and prosecution of illegals then I’m OK with that.
I’m also OK with detaining those who have deportation orders and those who never even bothered applying for asylum. Not paying your federal taxes? Get on the bus.
John Ferguson:
Suppose we only deported those with criminal convictions in addition to their illegal entry status. What about those who have enter illegally multiple times? What about the next 10 million who cross the border illegally? (I mean, when someone like Biden is elected). Will they also get to stay, no questions asked? What about becoming voters? Is there some level of illegal immigration where restrictions make sense to you?
I am honestly mystified by your position. None of this makes a bit of sense to me. If you don’t punish shoplifting, you get more shoplifting. If you don’t punish illegal immigration, you get more illegal immigration. If you don’t punish murder, you get more murder. Do you think this is not accurate?
The moderates on the left are falling all over themselves trying to stop the “Abolish ICE” slogan. Kind of reminiscent of another slogan.
This particular trend from a while back was frustrating. I had to prod Gemini several times to get it. When the justice system is handing out favoritism to illegal immigrants things have gone off the rails.
Tom Scharf,
“The moderates on the left are falling all over themselves trying to stop the “Abolish ICE” slogan.”
They will need some luck, since they are pissing into a hurricane force wind trying to stop “the base” on this issue.
To me, the fundamental issues are clear: either immigration laws are enforced, or they are not enforced. Selective enforcement is corrosive, and damages the social fabric. Active defiance of law, now in vouge on the left, is even more corrosive to the social fabric. Sadly, active defiance of the law is where many Democrats now seem to be.
SteveF,
If the only way to discourage illegal immigration is what ICE is doing, then I guess we’re stuck. But then even the Gestapo didn’t wear masks.
It might be possible to tune up the quality and compassion of this activity a bit and stillg et the job done. I would think that if there was a high certainty that if you come in illegally, you will be cuaght and sent somewhere, that would severely reduce this form of immigration.
As to the people who have been here for years, are married to citizens, etc, it wouldbe nice to have some other avenue to curing the problem.
I did see an economic analysis that showed that non-college educate immigranst legal or not were a nte loss to the country economically for their cohort, but with the education net gain. This was compiled of cost of social services etc vs taxes paid.
I have no problem with ICE deporting illegal aliens who have no other criminal acts. It’s therapeutic. It’s what drives the huge numbers of self deportations. They are scared of being arrested so they leave on their own. Brilliant!
From Grok:
“According to year-end figures from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of December 2025, approximately 1.9 million undocumented immigrants (often referred to as “illegal aliens” in official statements) had voluntarily self-deported from the United States since January 20, 2025, when President Trump’s second term began.”
“According to the latest available data as of early January 2026, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has conducted approximately 390,000 removals and deportations since President Trump’s inauguration on January 20, 2025.”
John Ferguson,
“But then even the Gestapo didn’t wear masks.”
The Gestapo was not being attacked by the public. If an ICE officer fears for his own safety and that of his or her family (and they do!) then they are going to wear masks.
There is at present a high certainty that if you arrive at the US border and try to enter illegally, you will not succeed, and the number of attempts is already way down (>95%) compared to when Biden was waying people in, giving them a cell phone, and a free bus or plane ride to their desired city. There is no need to change anything, just not go back to allowing people to enter illegally.
People who are married to US citizens, and especially if they have US citizen children, ALREADY have a path to permanent residency… assuming they are not a criminal. They only need to get right with the law… which means going through a legal process. Yes, that will be a PITA for them; they deserve that PITA.
People without a citizen spouse and/or citizen children should, IMHO, just be deported. They have zero business being here, and we owe them nothing.
You know what never happened with the actual Gestapo? People getting in their face screaming and blowing whistles, throwing stuff at them, threatening them with vehicles. There were reasons.
If the US gets to choose its immigrants we would choose those that are net economic gains. Either young and educated or old and self supporting. Nearly every other country has this as a baseline requirement.
The argument is that by the 2nd and 3rd generation they are on parity with normal citizens. If people want to make an immigration “investment” argument, go ahead. I don’t hear this very often. The default is “shame on you”.
john ferguson —
Members of the Gestapo weren’t being doxxed with threats to their families. Unhinged activists are threatening not just the officers themselves but their families and very few on the Left are saying anything to discourage doxxing — if anything, it’s being encouraged.
Derek.
Do we know for a certainty that ICE operatives are being doxxed or exposed to anything beyond the active and possibly obnoxious and very visable disapproval of the locals when they are perfoming mass actions?
OSINT:
“The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Friday issued several Notice-to-Airmen (NOTAM) for the airspace over Mexico, and parts of Central and South America, including Colombia, Ecuador and Panama, urging airlines to “exercise caution” over the region due to “military activities” and potential interference to navigation systems, with the NOTAMs going into effect on January 16, 2026, and lasting until March 17, 2026.”
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2012252733676433802?s=61
at 7:30 AM Florida time Artemis rollout is live. It is currently exiting the vehicle assembly building VAB.
Link:
https://www.youtube.com/live/s6NyK61CmXY?si=Af9ZpaRy0I-0b1E9
In Bost V Illinois, the SC ruled a congressional candidate has standing to sue Illinois about election rules that appear contrary to Federal laws making election day a specific day. (Illinois continues to count mail-in ballots received until two weeks after election day.) The case had been dismissed at the district court for lack of standing.
Which sounds like the Court is inclined to say that the specified Federal Election Day is in fact a day, not an election ‘season’. The case returns to the 8th circuit, where the legality of Illinois ballot rules will be considered.
SteveF
Dothey have to be postmarked on or before elction day? If not, there clearly is something wrong with this practice. Requiring that everyone vote on voting day, no earlyu voting, and certainly no late voting is very likely to produce a different result than one produced by these looser schemes. I think it’s worth discussing whether voting over a period of days was ever part of the original plan.
I like the idea that if we all voted at once, and in person, we might get a higher quality result – better informed voters who care enough to be inconvenienced?
john ferguson,
Apparently not, according to The Hill:
It took me a while to even find that. One of my pet peeves about the MSM: endless reporting on a matter of simple fact, but failing to provide basic information for readers to evaluate the story. I mean, the issue of accepting ballots without proof of postmark up to 14 days after the election is THE issue that led to the original lawsuit, yet reporters seem to go out of their way to hide that from the public. They instead use anodyne descriptions like “a legal dispute about election rules”. It is nothing like that. It is dispute about the clear possibility of election fraud, enacted by Illinois in ways that appear contrary to Federal election law. Other descriptions border on willful misinformation.
I don’t think SCOTUS said anything about the merits in Bost v Illinois. They only ruled on the issue of standing.
Although I like early voting, I am inclined to agree with john ferguson re election day. At a minimum, mail-in ballots ought to be severely restricted (because fraud) and the interval for voting ought to be short (no more than a week).
Mike M,
Yeah, looks like they ruled on standing
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-568_gfbh.pdf
“Held: As a candidate for office, Congressman Bost has standing to chal-lenge the rules that govern the counting of votes in his election. Pp. 3–
10”
Photo of the Day (Month? Year?)…
Artemis II leaving the VAB aboard the crawler.
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2012540403073851538?s=61
Mike M.
For my part, maybe the idea of everyone voting at once is a bit romantic, but having voted early only to have information show up between when I voted and the election and having wished ot have voted differently, the idea of everyone voting based on the same information is very attractive to me. I’m not so concerned about voting fraud so much since its extent seems much diminished since 1960 where Dad’s boss voted Republican in a Chicago precinct where no Republican votese were counted.
SteveF,
I think the biggest of the MM crimes is not telling the entire story, leaving out contravening information, or even the most salient information.
And then there’s the utter crap about how carefully Trump descends stairs, or had black and blue patches on his hands. If I bang my hands into a door frame, I get the black and blue spots too. I take care on stairs because when you’re older, maybe your balance isn’t as good as it used to be, and a fall may be devestating. I now lapse into brief naps when things are a bit slow, or I already know the content I’m being lectured on. My God, does no-one recognize that the stuff Trump naps during might be deadly dull? It’s ageism and it’s written by kids who have no idea what they are wrting about.
And there’s the speculation a bout diapers. If it’s true, he doesn’t like it anymore than anyone else woulld and it has absolutley notrhing to do with his capability to govern.
Or the cankles. Guess what. If you get a new knee like I did, you may get a form of Edema which makes your leg swell over the course of the day. And again, this has nothing at all to do with his metal acuity.
Given my opinion of the guy that I’ve expressed here, you may wonder at how I could sympathize with him. Well I do.
While I’m at it, I think it’s in John Grisham’ “The Firm” I’m reading along through a section which involves some observations on the physical qualities of his squeze du jour. He remarks that her buttocks (he used another term which I can’t remember) had begun to sag a bit.
I was astonished that he was troubled by this, wondered why, and then found that he’d written this when he was in his early twenties and likely had not before seen this condition at this point in his life.
john ferguson,
I think that vote fraud has made a huge comeback because of unrestricted mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting. If any members of the old Daley machine are still around, they are no doubt asking “Why didn’t we think of that?” And answering “Because we’d have never gotten away with it.”
Mike M.
This may be another area where MM cannot be trusted, but maybe AI, in my case, Perplexity suggests that in most states vote harvesting is tightly restricted and ballots cannor even be delivered except by family members.
Your assertion of “huge comeback” doesn’t seem to be borne out by later audits of the 2020 election which seems the most challenged in recent years.
My concern would be more that people who voted 30 days in advance might have learned something in the last week (October Surprise?) that would have led them to vote differently.
and in support of your suggestion of vot harvesting, giving a party say 30 days opportunity to go around and harrasss the electorate cannot be a good thing no matter who does it.
Here, we have to resubmit our credentials to the Supervisor of Elections every two years in order to have mail-in ballots sent to us. When we vote, we carry them in.
And they do take care. I’ve had my signature challenged once. I can’t do it the same every time and the challenge was honest. I went in and voted in person which solved the problem.
John –
I have seen threads on Reddit where people have posted pictures of ICE agents and actively asked for people to identify and locate them. I didn’t follow the threads because that activity disgusts me so I don’t know how successful they were but the point is that people are trying. We’ve already seen the results of leftist activists doxxing others like Justice Kavanaugh and members of the Trump administration.
Non-engaged voters should get to vote easily and their votes should count just as much as the political junkies. Perhaps this produces a lower quality result by some metrics but democracy isn’t about high quality.
The problem with late voting (errr … Chicago, Philadelphia) is the opportunity it presents for corruption.
I’m not so much interested in early / late voting as I am about counting all the votes at once to prevent late breaking “adjustments” when a vote tally is known. I don’t think it is unreasonable to force mail in voting to be postmarked about a week before the in-person election day. Make this prominently marked on the mail in ballot.
The Artemis rollout livestream currently has the rocket rolling out with a big SpaceX building in the background, ha ha.
Here you go Russell, you can have it every day.
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/nasa-artemis-space-launch-system-10341
Sadly you are too late for this retired Apollo set, one of their most popular sets.
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lego-nasa-apollo-saturn-v-92176
john ferguson,
“When we vote, we carry them in.”
???
So it is like in person voting except that your ballot is already filled out? That is not mail-in. And is less subject to fraud, but still not nearly as secure as in-person voting.
There are many states where vote harvesting is officially not allowed. But even where banned, there are workarounds. If there are drop boxes, the harvester can just drop a whole bunch of collected ballots in the drop box. Or they can put a whole bunch of mail-in ballots in a mail box. Where you have easy access to mail-in ballots, you will have vote harvesting.
“doesn’t seem to be borne out by later audits of the 2020 election which seems the most challenged in recent years.”
But there was not much in the way of audits. All those court cases the Republicans famously lost were about efforts to do proper audits. And when private groups turned up evidence of fraud, they were ignored.
The secret ballot was a major step in providing election integrity. A mail-in ballot, or any other ballot not filled out at the polling place, is NOT a secret ballot. A secret ballot does not mean that secrecy is optional; it means that secrecy is mandatory. That prevents vote buying.
p.s. – For personal reasons, I do not care for the phrasing “MM cannot be trusted”. 🙂 And anyway, MSM is clearer.
“The problem with late voting (errr … Chicago, Philadelphia) is the opportunity it presents for corruption.”
Unfortunately, there are many issues with both early and late voting. Many states announce the number of early voting ballots by district or by county before election day. Even though the vote totals are not released, you can tell in advance what the vote total will likely be based on the political lean of each region. That means a party can recognize, before election day, where they need to “get out the vote”, and where things look favorable to them. Ballot harvesting is also problematic (some ‘operative’ collects 80 ballots at a local dementia care center, and shockingly enough, they are 100% Dem votes).
ANY plausible means to game the election ought to be prohibited.
Tom Scharf wrote: “Non-engaged voters should get to vote easily and their votes should count just as much as the political junkies. Perhaps this produces a lower quality result by some metrics but democracy isn’t about high quality.”
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.
Democracy depends upon engaged voters to work. Too many non-engaged voters, and democracy will fail.
As we have made it easier and easier for people to cast irresponsible votes, the health of our democracy has been declining. I think those two things are connected, although there are also other causes of the decline.
Trump wears diapers? Hilarious.
Mike M,
“But there was not much in the way of audits. All those court cases the Republicans famously lost were about efforts to do proper audits. And when private groups turned up evidence of fraud, they were ignored.”
Mostly I think Federal Courts were unwilling to get involved enough to rule on the merits. That was no doubt driven by the multiple drop-dead dates following the election; the courts recognized that any attempt to change the results would lead to a “Constitutional crisis”. IMO, Republicans were far too complacent before the election, when legal challenges to mostly state-court mandated changes in voting rules, “because Covid”, and contrary to those states’ laws, had a chance to be heard. Challenges after the election were doomed to fail.
Mike M,
Nope. There is no requirement that voters need to be politically engaged and access to the voting system should be equal opportunity and simple. Non-engaged voters know what their priorities are and should be able to express these like anyone else.
You see “engaged” voters as increasing quality, I see it as introducing the biases of the politically engaged, which is primarily the priorities of the higher income, educated, and urban voter.
I see the “quality” aspect being taken care of by * representative * democracy. We certainly would not want a real democracy where everything was a voter referendum on complex policy.
Americans have the God given right to be idiots, they frequently are, and we have survived perfectly fine with an idiotic government at times.
Mike M,
Yes, yes, voters should have to pass a written test on current domestic policies and international affairs, and pay a hefty poll tax to vote. 😉
Or as a Brazilian friend once suggested: The number of votes you get in each election should be proportional to the taxes you pay.
Tom Scharf: “You see “engaged” voters as increasing quality, I see it as introducing the biases of the politically engaged, which is primarily the priorities of the higher income, educated, and urban voter.”
That would be a fair point if it were not a false dichotomy. There is a whole lot of room between political junkies and those who can not even be bothered to get themselves to a voting place. We ought to require that voters be willing to make at least a little bit of effort if they want their voices heard.
The non-politically engaged pretty much don’t vote already. I’m not saying we should drag their votes out of them, but we should make it simple enough for them to vote.
1/3rd of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2024. I don’t know if mail in voting changed much of this.
There is no doubt that restricting / opening up requirements changes things at the margins. Voter ID requirements are fine by me. I’m not against overt efforts to limit vote fraud, but it’s a trade off between access.
I like mail in voting. I support motor / voter laws. I showed up at my polling place 20 years ago, stood in line, only to be told that my polling place has been changed so I had to drive somewhere else and stand in line again. That’s just BS, I suppose I was suppose to proactively find out it changed by visiting some obscure government website or something.
Historically there have been cases where these changes on the margins might matter, such as FL in 2000, but it is rare.
Anyway I side with easy access even though I know many people disagree.
Mike M.
our ballots are mailed to us, we fill them out and then take them to the elections office which is within 1/2 mile of us — ie. carry them in.
I saw two coyotes in my yard this morning. They were different from the ones I have seen for years. They were taller and thicker in the body, and they were out in daylight.
Grok tells me they were probably Eastern coyotes, not the normal Florida coyote. They are not rare, but they’re not as common as the Florida coyote. They are larger because they have more wolf blood!
This time of year, a solitary pair traveling together like those two this morning are probably a mating pair. They are either scouting a new territory or marking their existing territory in anticipation of a spring litter.
WOOHOO!
Derek,
I don’t doubt that doxxing ICE personnel is being done, and I certainly know e people who might be capable of something like this, but don’t throw the whole thing on the Left even though it woulld be leftists who would do this in the instant case.
I had supposed that videos of the violence of some of the apprehensions would have only been seen on MS etc. but it turns out that they are shown on CNN andFox as well with no substantial differences in which ones are shown. I mostly watch MS-etc. but with plenty of doubting that what I see is the whole thing and certainly ignoring the crazier rants.
There was a video of one of ICE guys walking down a sidewalk shoving each of the civilians he passed. I’d wondered if it had been seen on cnn or Fox, but don’t know.
john ferguson,
“There was a video of one of ICE guys walking down a sidewalk shoving each of the civilians he passed.”
Link to video?
SteveF,
It was on MSNBC and was pretty amazing. It would have been a whole lot better if the ICE gang had filtered out some of the problem recruits. I did see a lot (ICE officers) that were incredibly patient in the face of guys yelling at them from a foot away. Not having been there, I have no idea how even the filming was but there was some which showed incredible self-control on the part of the ICE guys. And of course there were the others.
BTW, do you think it’s impossible to simply prevent entry into the US without processing by immigration? It would have been a whole lot better had we prevented the problem we have now, and I wonder how some of these folks could have been here for decades without detection, or if detected without anything having been done about it.
SteveF, I found a bunch of them on instagram. AI found them. The evil done by MSNBC in their showing of one of the worst ones was that they looped it in such a way as it looked like the guy was walking down the sidewalk shoving every civilian he passed.
It was only one guy who wasn’t facing him. Knocked down from behind. My guess is this sort of thimng might be a couple percent of the interactions at most.
John wrote: “It was on MSNBC and was pretty amazing.”
No reason to suspect it was showing the actual truth of the matter. Out of context clips is a speciality of modern propaganda. I refrain from passing judgement for a day or so. In that time, a considerably different picture often emerges.
DaveJR,
I pretty much agree. With MSNBC I apply the Feinmann test: What could be wrong with what I’m seeing? Is there another interpretion which might conflict with the very strong Lib POV of this source?
In the instant case, MSNBC had looped the clip in such a way that without really concentrating it looked like the guy was walking down the sidewalk shoving everyine he encountered.
It may have been done innocently but the effect was quite seductive.
What I saw on X was about 95% of contact with protesters being “deserved” IMO, and 5% being overzealous. Neither side is particularly interested in providing context in their propaganda.
Even the clearly overzealous ones were cheered by the usual suspects. You need to have some serious self control to put up with some of the stuff and I very much doubt that is a universal trait.
As long as both sides understand where the lines are then there shouldn’t be too much controversy. I’m a bit surprised there haven’t been more flagrant violations.
I saw one where there was some takedowns of protesters and some genius decided that was the time to set off fireworks. This can be confused with gunfire. This is a moronic move that can easily result in deaths.
I saw a bobcat cross in front of me about a month ago and have seen several scrawny coyotes since then as well. We also have some river otters that are fun to watch.
Tom Scarf,
could the fireworks I saw too have been flash-bangs?
The Permian basin in Texas just keeps perk-perk-perking along, USGS found more reserves…..
January 14, 2026:
“The U.S. Geological Survey released its assessment of undiscovered gas and oil in the Woodford and Barnett shales in the Permian Basin, assessing that there are technically recoverable resources of 28.3 trillion cubic feet of gas – enough to supply the United States for 10 months at the current rate of consumption — and 1.6 billion barrels of oil, or 10 weeks’ supply for the nation.”
https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/usgs-releases-assessment-undiscovered-oil-and-gas-resources-woodford-and
Grok:
“Industry analysis indicates extraction economics hinge on oil prices exceeding $50–55 per barrel, with privately held mineral rights likely accelerating development without immediate market flooding. “
Russell: “Another day of no US military aircraft showing up over the Middle East or Asia.”
May have had to do with preparing for this strike in Syria, which apparently killed an Al Qaeda guy named Bilal Hasan al-Jasim: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-kills-al-qaeda-affiliate-leader-bilal-hasa-al-jasim-linked-ambush-syria/
Harold:
“May have had to do with preparing for this strike in Syria, which apparently killed an Al Qaeda guy named Bilal Hasan al-Jasim:”
You may be onto something there. There is a lot of social media chatteer that they are waiting for the USS Abraham Lincoln to arrive, which could happen in the next few days.
As for now there’s only one navy reconnaissance plane over the whole continent, screenshot at 11:30 AM Florida time:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2012927970160042190?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
John Ferguson,
Anything is possible given the limits of these user videos. It sounded like firecrackers from a fair distance. Usually law enforcement yells before a flash bang so their own people know what’s going on but with lightly trained ICE who knows.
So Bill and Hillary have defied lawful subpoenas from the House Oversight Committee. Why? Because:
“Every person has to decide when they have seen or had enough and are ready to fight for this country, its principles and its people, no matter the consequences. For us, now is that time.”
OK, fine. Now the House may hold them in criminal contempt and refer the cases to DoJ for prosecution. To that I say:
LOCK THEM UP!
I am serious. They say they will accept the consequences. I respect that. When Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro did the exact same thing, the consequences were 4 months in prison for each. It should be the same for the Clintons. Nobody is above the law!
They should, but they will never go to prison.
From NASA:
“1.5 million names are flying around the Moon on Artemis II. Is yours one of them?
It’s not too late to add your name to the mission—and it’s absolutely free:”
https://www3.nasa.gov/send-your-name-with-artemis/
My granddaughter and I did this together.
We got actual boarding passes (image below):
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2013176115678867754?s=61
NOTE do it before the 21st
I asked Grok about engineers becoming astronauts:
“In detailed reviews of current and recent astronauts (from classes selected since ~2000 onward), engineering backgrounds (broadly including aerospace, mechanical, electrical, systems, etc.) appear in roughly 40–60% of cases, depending on how fields are grouped.
Aerospace engineering alone is frequently one of the top subfields.
Historical data from older corps analyses (e.g., pre-2010s) showed engineering as the most represented, with many astronauts holding master’s or advanced degrees in it.”
I always thought it was mostly military pilots that became Astronauts.
Russell,
Military pilots all have college degrees. I would guess that engineering is a very common choice for such individuals. If you have your sights set on Top Gun, I doubt you would choose to major in Sociology.
Mike, one of my granddaughters is interested. I had been steering her towards military pilot, but she’s a straight A student and also interested in engineering so that might work.
Russell,
But there is no need to choose between being a pilot and being an engineer, at least not until well after completing her education.
Yes Mike, at the Air Force Academy, she could do both!
University of Florida has a good aerospace engineering program and both her parents went to university of Florida so that might be a match..
“NOAA space weather forecasters have issued a G4 (severe) geomagnetic storm watch for tonight, when the main bulk of the CME is expected to hit. If the eruption’s magnetic field is favorably aligned, or “geoeffective”, and G4 conditions are reached, auroras could be visible even farther south than current forecasts suggest, potentially reaching as far as northern California and Alabama.”
NASA Aurora dashboard:
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/aurora-dashboard-experimental
I wanted to be a jet pilot as a kid right up until I realized I would have to join the air force, ha ha. You’d probably end up flying tankers or sitting behind a desk anyway. Not a lot of F-22’s to go around. You do generally get a healthy financial afterlife flying airliners.
Even if you end up in the seat of an F-22 the chances of seeing actual action are pretty minimal. At the moment everyone runs away when the US air force shows up and your main job would be dodging ground to air missiles with supporting electronic warfare I expect.
WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were the glory days of dogfighting. The USAF shot down about 35 jets in Gulf War I and there was basically no air to air combat in Gulf War II. I don’t think Iran even chose to take a plane off the ground. If you end up in a dogfight now in a US jet then something has gone horribly wrong. Firing missiles from beyond visual range and get out of town if you miss.
An engagement with China and to a lesser extent Russia would be something else. One of the problems is the US jets are so expensive now that losing one of them is a big deal so the US will likely be very conservative.
Ultimately my prediction is combat pilots will be phased out in the next 20 years as drone swarms large and small take over. Too much focus is in preserving that bag of biomass in the cockpit.
With inflation adjusted prices we could buy ~400 P-51 Mustangs for one F-22.
An F-22 also requires about 30X more maintenance per flight hour.
Would 400 P-51 Mustangs be able to shoot down a F-22? My money would be on the F-22, although it would not be able to take out all the Mustangs without multiple opportunities to refuel and rearm.
Obviously an F-22 can’t carry 400 missiles. Video game people like to run scenarios like this. The F-22 has real value and was designed as a cost is no object air dominance fighter. They come in very handy for things like escorting a B-2 bomber over Iran.
It’s a classic cost vs quantity trade off. The Russians have chosen quantity so far and it’s not working out so great for them by most metrics. The Chinese will likely suffer a quality gap but are catching up quickly with all their industrial espionage and their manufacturing capacity should be feared.
The main point is that losing a P-51 wasn’t that important but if we lost 10 F-22’s in an engagement it would be unsustainable. We also can’t manufacture them quickly in an emergency. The F-35 is suppose to help fill out that role.
So my guess is F-22 > F-35 > Older aircraft (F-18 / F-16, etc) > Low(ish) cost drones. Certainly we have the most complete and powerful air force around.
US Air Force:
F-16C/D Fighting Falcon ~830 – 900 Multi-role / Workhorse
F-35A Lightning II ~450 – 500 Stealth Multi-role
F-15E Strike Eagle ~130 – 150 Long-range Strike
F-22A Raptor 183 Air Superiority
A-10C Thunderbolt II ~140 – 160 Close Air Support (Retiring by 2027)
F-15EX Eagle II ~30 – 40 Heavy Missile Carrier
F-15C/D Eagle ~40 Homeland Defense (Air National Guard)
The F-47 (Sixth Gen) is being developed currently to replace the F-22.
US Navy:
F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (Navy): ~600 aircraft.
F-35B/C Lightning II (USN & USMC): ~300
I was at a session on Friday which included some discussion of how we are throttling parts delivery to Iran for the F-14s they have.
Someone suggest that we should have given them F-111s and by now they’d be bankrupt from the maintenance.
There was once a comparison of the maintenance burden of civilain operationof a Douglas A4 (which required owning a wall of manuals) compared to a Mig-17 which did not require a wall full of manuals nor did it require anywhere near the scheduled maintenance of the A4.
Friend of friend who owned a Mig-21 said the same thing – a basic airplane. The problem among others with the MIg-21 was that the FAA wouldn’t let him fly it at even a maringally efficient altitude so the fuel cost to take it to air-shows was prohibitive.
The world is buying US military hardware, everyone is dumping the Russian junk.
There has been a story circulating all day that Trump is going after Greenland because he was denied the Nobel peace prize by Norway.
I decided it was fake news and ignored it, but the chatter is getting louder and is now being reported by major news outlets:
“Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/norwegian-leader-says-he-received-trump-message-that-reportedly-ties-greenland-to-nobel-peace-prize
Trump has gone off the deep end.
Taking the Nobel Prize from the other lady was kind of low class, but that is the Trump we have. He is pretty petty at times. I just try to ignore it all.
Russell,
I’ve hung in here for the last few years for a couple of reasons.
I like the discussions. I’m often enlightened, but most of all it was to see when some of you guys finally recognize that our hero is a bit nuts, and not improving.
He’s a challenging case because many folks who seem to have similar disconnects with “Reality” can’t put a complete sentence together let alone a series of coherent paragraphs.
He can. This argues to some effect against my premise that he’s on his way around the bend.
“when some of you guys finally recognize that our hero is a bit nuts, and not improving”
For me, that will be based on Trump’s actions. We are not there yet. Not even close.
Tom,
I assumed that was Machado’s effort to remain relevant and in the public eye. I mean, think about it. The situation is likely to improve and Delcy Rodriguez’s popularity is likely to rise as the situation improves. She (Machado) needed to somehow tie herself to Trump liberating the place. In other words, I think that was her idea and her doing. But what do I know? Maybe that was all Trump.
Mike M.
Or inactions?
“Help is on the way”
But then Obama also did something like that and not everyone thought he was nuts.
Mike M.
Or the tariff nonsense? These arfe actions, not only verbal threats.
As far as I can tell from whatg I read, he doesn’t understand that we, in the US, pay for them.
Yes, I think she offered Trump the Nobel Prize with the expectation he would politely refuse to take it. A “noble” gesture. I don’t really know.
mark bofill,
“I assumed that was Machado’s effort to remain relevant and in the public eye. I mean, think about it. The situation is likely to improve and Delcy Rodriguez’s popularity is likely to rise as the situation improves. She (Machado) needed to somehow tie herself to Trump liberating the place.”
Trump could easily have caused many heart attacks among his political opponents: He could meet Machado publicly, thank her for the offer but refuse it….. and say a few graceful words about her efforts and how he hopes she succeeds in helping “the many millions of Venezuelans who have long waited for liberty to return to Venezuela.” Then call for the rump of the dictatorship to hold free and fair elections.
But it’s Trump. He is a jerk, not graceful. So no heart attacks on the left.
Why does a President being wrong about something make him crazy? Obama went on and on about ‘shovel ready projects’ and ‘shovels breaking ground across the nation’ and so on and so forth, and eventually came back to admit ‘there’s no such thing as a shovel ready project’. Yet Obama wasn’t nuts.
Must be the D in front of his name, yeah?
Ok. I see. Thanks Steve, thanks Tom.
Tariffs are a tax on consumers but it isn’t that simple. The guv-ment gets tariff income that gets redistributed or replaces taxes paid for consumers. In theory, ha ha. But it is basically friction in the economy that makes it less efficient IMO.
A legitimate use of tariffs is to stop bad behavior from other countries such as invalid subsidies they give their industries, etc. You also may want to protect your own industries for national security purposes.
Trump’s tariffs look mainly to be a negotiating tactic for trade agreements. I don’t think that is what it is useful for but that doesn’t mean it can’t work. Anyone picking winners and losers is likely to also make things more corrupt and less efficient. The impact of these things so far has been minimal surprisingly.
Tom Scharf,
“Trump’s tariffs look mainly to be a negotiating tactic for trade agreements. ”
That is most of it. Truth is, many countries have set up barriers to US exports, most often to protect their own industries, while aggressively subsidizing industries, especially exporters. While it is true those subsidies help US consumers, they crush US domestic producers.
We shall see if Indiana can finish off the Cinderella season tonight.
Tom Scharf,
College football rankings are often way off, in part because there are so few true comparable games that allow teams to be gauged accurately. In the Miami-Indiana matchup, both teams played Ohio State. Both won, but Miami by a bigger margin. If I were a betting man, I would take Miami to cover the spread, and have maybe a 40% chance of an outright win.
I had a an engineer who worked for me many years ago….6’9″ and played college hoops as a power forward…….full scholarship. He bet on all kinds of sporting events, but never college football. Said he: “Too little good data, and too many emotions on the field.”
john ferguson: “he doesn’t understand that we, in the US, pay for them.”
Trump correctly understands that, for the most part, we do not pay for the tariffs. The exporters pay.
Mike M.
Clearly you haven’t bought anything from overseas as I have, or electronic parts from Mouser where the tariff is a line item. Have you bought anything in the US imported from China since the recent tariffs went into effect?
Trump may very well think this, but what you’ve written can only be true when the exporter and importer agree to split the cost of the tariff. This hasn’t happened with my sources. Maybe I should post a copy of one of my invoices so you can appreciate how naive your view of this is.
I’m astonished that your default position seems to be that Trump always knows what he’s doing when the evidence abounds that he doesn’t- always.
I have seen some impacts from tariffs, especially on lower margin products (eg low cost electronic components). OTOH, I haven’t seen much impact on a little higher value products (eg $40-$60 or so per unit), where I suspect the supplier is taking most of the tariff hit. It may have to do with the pre-tariff era margins and/or the level of competition in the market. For sure there is some pass-through of tariffs, but it may be a while before the overall pass-through rate can be evaluated.
Congratulations to the Indiana Hoosiers first national football title in the schools history. The second half of the game was quite exciting.
Trump turned this whole Greenland thing into a fiasco. He started off wrong by becoming aggressive right out of the gate. All of our closest and longest-standing allies have turned against us. He really stepped in it this time. It’s going to be embarrassing backing out of it.
I’m still waiting for my president to explain to me the strategic value he sees in Greenland. I’ve heard a lot of speculation, but I haven’t heard him explain to the nation what’s so important.
It’s all bullshit and bravado.
If Indiana can do it, anyone can. They were the first football team to win their first national title in 30 years.
John, regarding your comment to me:
“I’m often enlightened, but most of all it was to see when some of you guys finally recognize that our hero is a bit nuts, and not improving.”
He may be a bit nuts, but he’s still a lot more sane than Kamala ever was.
And Biden—should we mention Biden’s mental state?
I’m going to preface every one of my negative comments about Trump with “Boy, am I glad Kamala is not president and that Biden was a one-term president.”
French President Macron is calling for a G7 meeting during/next week around the Davos forum. He’s proposing that Russia also attend (on the margins, not as a full member).
He’s trying to pull together an opposition bloc to push back against Trump’s tariffs threats over Denmark/Greenland.
This is getting really sticky.
(Boy, am I glad Kamala is not president and that Biden was a one-term president.)
john ferguson,
Trump is not a politician; he is a fish out of water. And angry most of the time. Like a fish flopping violently on the deck of a boat, there often seems no rationale for his actions….. because there often is none. He is just showing that he is angry. Sometimes there is a rational, but it can be difficult to see with all the senseless flopping around.
Trump will be gone in January 2029. The country will survive him.
SteveF
Mouser charges tariff on everything they paid it on. They have a line on the inovice for it and I paid it on a $90 device. I also have lost access to a couple of suppliers who won’t sell to the US anymore. But generally you are right, they haven;’t affected the general conusmer market yet as far as I can see.
Also, that’s a very good characterization of Trump.
Russell, I agree with you about Biden and Kamala, but that doesn’t relieve my worrying about Trump.
Mark,
Thanks for reminding me about “shovel-ready” It was such BS, I was amazed that anyone at the White House actually believed it.
Obama was an innocent as far as a lot of what goes on in the world is concerned, especially business enterprises. But then he wasn’t threatening 200% tariffs on french wine if Macron didn’t cough up $Billion to join Trump’s “Board of Peace”
or Miller’s recent statement that a country which cannot defend it self doesn’t legally exist. (I paraphrased what he is quoted as saying)
And then there’s Trump’s revealing letter to Prime Minister of Norway.
Were there any doubt, the Russians now appear to be mainly focused on taking control of the remainder of the Donetsk oblast….. establishing territorial “facts on the ground” before negotiations.
https://understandingwar.org/map/assessed-control-of-terrain-in-donetsk-oblast-january-19-2026-at-130-pm-et/
At recent pace, that may take a year or more. So the killing will continue.
john ferguson wrote: “They have a line on the inovice for it and I paid it on a $90 device.”
You have no way of knowing what you paid unless you have been buying the same item regularly and can see how the price changed. And even then, there are other reasons the price may have changed. The line item on the invoice is what the exporter paid. It does not show how much of that cost they ate and how much was passed on to you.
How much of a tariff gets passed on to the consumer depends on market conditions for that product. For a low margin product with no domestic source (like bananas), all or almost all the tariff will get passed on to the consumer. Trump has now cut tariffs on such products; I don’t know why he didn’t do that from the start. Greater competition and higher margins will tend to reduce the amount that gets passed on to the consumer. Subsidized exports might not pass on any of the tariff.
Specialty/luxury products bought directly from overseas will likely have most of the tariff tacked on to the price, unless they are subsidized. I don’t care if that happens.
Unlike the predictions from most “experts”, Trump’s tariffs have had no detectable effect on inflation. But our trade deficit has improved. Looks to me like Trump was right. As usual.
Russell Klier: “All of our closest and longest-standing allies have turned against us.”
No they haven’t. It is all bloviating and bravado on BOTH sides. I also dislike the way Trump has been going about this. But it is just words. I refuse to get worked up about it.
Russell Klier: “He [Trump] may be a bit nuts, but he’s still a lot more sane than Kamala ever was.
And Biden—should we mention Biden’s mental state?”
Hear! Hear!
And Biden wasn’t just a public embarrassment to the nation with his words and meandering. He did real damage with his demented policies.
A text message is not the same as a letter. It is deliberately misleading to call a text message a “letter”.
john ferguson,
I do not know if that letter is real, but if so, it is consistent with Trump being incapable of embarrassment….. and acting like a jerk.
That said, do the Egyptians have ownership rights over their former empire? The Italians? The Spaniards? The British? The Aztecs? Do aboriginal people (everywhere!) have ownership rights over the entire world? The practical answer to all these questions is no. The nation-state exists only in so far as it is capable of defending its borders and its existence; militarily, diplomatically, and socially. It is the continuing existence of the nation-state that confers “ownership rights” to the territory it occupies. The conflict over illegal immigration, in the USA and elsewhere, is at bottom a disagreement about the legitimacy of the self-governing nation-state controlling its territory….. and even its existence. The left really does believe in “global governance” and wants no nation-states; this has been the case since the Communist Manifesto.
Who lives in Greenland? Mostly (~90%) Greenland Innuits, not Danes….far too crappy a place to live. Is Denmark capable of defending Greenland? Only through its political alliances, not by itself, and certainly not militarily. Should Denmark control Greenland? That is an ethical rather than practical question, but I suggest it is in the long term an irrelevant question. Nothing is permanent.
Mike M.
As hard as it might be for you to believe this, I do have expereince with buying this particular Chinese made device over the years, and yes, it’s become progressively more expensive. The Tariff line in the invoice is new and was the amount that Mouser paid based on what the thing cost them. It was the tariff amount in effect at the time.
Pokrovsk is a key logistical and strategic hub in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk Oblast.
Russia has been intensively attacking and attempting to capture Pokrovsk since mid-2024, making it roughly a year and a half of sustained pressure as of early 2026. The battle has involved grinding, attritional assaults with waves of infantry, artillery, drones, and infiltration tactics, often at enormous cost in Russian personnel and equipment.
• By late 2025, reports indicated Russia controlled significant portions (e.g., around 67–70% by December 2025), with fighting continuing into the city itself and nearby areas like Myrnohrad.
• Ukrainian forces have held out stubbornly to inflict heavy attrition, but Russian advances continued slowly into January 2026, including infiltrations and assaults in northern and other sectors of Pokrovsk.
Casualties have been described as staggeringly high for Russia.
I have seen numbers from responsible OSINT sources of around 150,000 killed and wounded Russian troops just trying to take this one city, along with hundreds of lost tanks.
I guess it is called progress for Russia because Russia has increased its percentage of the town they control.
Russell,
I suspect that the condition of the land the Russians have acquired by this means is not too good.
JOHN,
A video of the town from December:
https://x.com/prestonstew_/status/1999847182359306542?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
(it’s about 50% rubble)
Digikey was also itemizing tariff costs. I see this mostly as a political statement, or perhaps they are just making sure their customers understand the cost increases. Some people buy a large amount of stuff.
Digikey could alternately itemize their rent, labor, insurance, and capital equipment costs. I care just as much about that stuff.
The market will work it out, I don’t see excuses itemized on the cost of bananas.
So I hate to sound like a dirty no good gosh darn hippie.
Buying goods cheaply from China, wasn’t that low price due at least in part to the little Chinese worker getting screwed? I mean, here in the US, we have to have OSHA. We have to have unions! We have to have benefits and insurance for our workers; we have to pay them 5 times what the Chinese workers make! I thought these were all cherished hallowed progressive accomplishments.
And yet progressives bitch because they lose the opportunity to exploit cheap labor in other countries. Go figure.
Part of the frustration about Trump from our elite betters is that they sold us a bill of good with “only we can run the world with our fancy degrees and well spoken diplomatic powers of persuasion”. This has been ongoing for decades and they became a bit too entitled and lazy.
“We want some climate vanity projects to impress our friends, let’s just tell people the world is heading to a catastrophe”, “Let’s just tell people that CA high speed rail project will cost $10”, etc.
Trump is testing that model of the world. What happens if a clown takes over? Is the world teetering on an edge where only the well dressed and credentialed can keep us heading forward or is it robust to clown shows?
So far the world seems robust to clowns as far as leadership goes as long as you ignore all the hysterics from our betters. Maybe Trump is not a clown, or maybe the previous leadership were actually just clowns in disguise. Likely a bit of both. The experiment has been worth it.
I’d still prefer not to have a clown show, but serving up a piece of humble pie to the entitled is a useful exercise IMO. They need to ponder how we got to a point where we thought that experiment might be worth a try.
Mark,
Working condtions are not the same in China as they are here, but on the othr hand they’ve raised something like 800 million out of abject poverty in the last 40 years.
When I was buying Chinese GPS chips, I was having some problems with the ones I was getting, emailed info@”whatever the outfit was” with request to email with an engineer.” After about 60 days, I got a response from one of their engineers asking how he could help. I told him what the problem was which essentially was I was using a chip designed to be used n cars and suppress jitter whhenthe car wasn’t moving. This wasn’t helpful for my application. He told me to st my systemup to send a two byte singal to the chip and would turn off the anti-jitter. he asked me to email him back with the result.
I did, and after a couple of more back and forths other things we were interested in, I asked him if it was ok to ask him aobuthis family history.
“Yes”
so I asked about his, his father’s, and his grandfather’s
EE Masters in Shanghai,
Father worked for Post Office in small town and Grandfather was a peasant.
We’ve spent time on our own in Beijing and Shanghai in 2019 as guests of one of the Economist’s reporters. I was able to ask this question of a lot of people, mostly engineers and academics. Answere wasn’t alwasy the same especially with academics who often had academic parents and even grandparents, but still living now is pretty good there.
Lives of factory workers appears to be pretty tough there, but not compared to earlier times there.
And any thought that the Chinese cannot make sophisticated stuff without copying it from us is utter nonsense.
mark bofill,
On a PPP basis, China’s per capita income is equivalent to about US$29K per year, while the USA is about $89K per year. Of course, the PPP figures hide the competitive cost advantage of Chinese manufacturers a bit, since their exported products are sold in dollars, but they pay their workers in local currency. Still, the workers “live” better than their US dollar salaries would suggest.
So you’re good with exploiting them and making US workers non competitive, since the Chinese workers aren’t being screwed as badly as they used to be, do I understand you correctly?
Obama wasn’t innocent of anything. He was ignorant and naive about international business practices as well as the actual economy outside his Marxist fantasies but he wasn’t innocent.
I’m going to disagree a. little with some of my more conservative brethren on tariffs. Yes, tariffs have the potential for raising prices on select items for consumers. Whether consumers actually pay higher prices depends on how much the wholesale supplier is willing to reduce prices to the domestic retailer in order to keep market share.
What many economists ignore is that consumers have a choice and that’s the other rationale for tariffs. Tariffs make domestic products competitive with imported ones. In some cases, the domestic industry has essentially disappeared because they couldn’t compete with the international market on price — with the tariffs, they might be able to and that industry can start again.
Another rationale — and one I prefer — is to use tariffs to replace the income tax, at least in part. I will argue the very concept of an income (versus consumption) tax is anti-economic. It creates structures like all the foundations used by the Kennedy family and others to “hide” their income and assets as well as the “non-profit” organizations used for political and other purposes.
In other thoughts, I would like to eventually get an explanation as to why Trump thinks we need to own Greenland as opposed to the current arrangement with the Danes. He’s right about the strategic importance of the island; I just don’t understand why he’s poking an ally in the eye like this. I don’t really give a fig about Macron; France has been a fickle-at-best ally ever since the days of de Gaulle.
Trump is also correct IMO about Diego Garcia. The UK giving into the ICJ on that island is lunacy (but then Starmer is an idiot). The ICC and ICJ are just forums being used by our enemies to place international pressure on the West; funny how rarely they rule against Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, etc.
Steve,
I’m not saying its the only factor. It’s one of the factors though.
john ferguson,
“Shanghai in 2019”
If you were with your wife, then you weren’t constantly approached by prostitutes. 😉
(The prostitutes’ English was always at least passable!)
They exploit cheap labor in other countries via outsourcing and then import cheap labor to mow their lawns and clean their houses with open borders.
Self interested policy isn’t new.
The worst part is when they sloppily apply a cheap veneer of self serving morality on it to pretend this is about their higher ethics. Gag me with a spoon, man.
I like CSFC (Cheap sh** from China) just as much as anyone for some thing but I’m not going to pretend this is about my higher morals.
Hi Mark,
I suppose that would be one way of looking at it. On the other hand, the things I buy from China are not made here so far as I know.
I do think the the entire world benefits when a country rises out of poverty. Boeing wouldn’t be able to sell China airliners for domestic use if the place was in the same condition was 50 years ago.
Derek,
“innocent” in this application is about same as “ignorant”
mark,
Look at the year-on-year increases in purchasing power here: https://econscope.com/economies/china/gdp-nominal-ppp-per-capita
In a decade or so, Chinese manufacturers are unlikely to have a huge labor cost advantage, and their costs are already above those of places like Vietnam.
Yes, the workers have ‘been taken advantage of’. But in comparison with Mao’s cultural revolution, they live in a paradise.
The globalist vision is that it is OK to sacrifice low skill US workers if it brings the Chinese out of poverty, they just won’t politically run on this overtly.
john ferguson,
“I do think the the entire world benefits when a country rises out of poverty.”
Sure, add up global production and divide by the number of people, and that is global wealth. Still, there is some disruption when expensive workers in the USA (and other “first world” countries) lose their jobs to lower cost workers elsewhere.
Tom Scharf,
“The globalist vision is that it is OK to sacrifice low skill US workers if it brings the Chinese out of poverty…..”
While many fly around the world in their private jets and vacation on their 60 meter yachts…. while complaining about CO2 emissions and the unfairness of white privilege. 😉
There is not a lot to like about hypocrites.
john —
China is trying to make it so Boeing won’t be able to sell them airliners anyway — neither will Airbus because the PRC is trying to bootstrap their own domestic products. This is why it was shortsighted 25 years ago for GE to produce engines in the PRC — they knew the Chinese were just going to learn from and copy their aircraft engines to use domestically and eventually to compete.
The Chinese aren’t stupid. Inferiority in their products in the past (and to some extent today) came from lack of attention to quality control but to a large extent this was the fault of US companies who wrote production contracts without specifying quality control requirements. If someone is getting paid to produce X or more widgets per hour with no requirements to pass QC, they’re going to maximize production and not care about rejection rate.
It’s all well and good to talk about raising another country out of poverty but the academics and government elite who were behind those policies ignored or didn’t care about the effects on the American workers, families, or economy. The job of the USG is to take care of Americans. Beneficial effects for other countries should run a distant fifth or less in those priorities.
The Chinese effectively require you to manufacture in country for access to their market.
They then steal all the IP and then throw out the foreign investors through a variety of mechanisms. This isn’t unique to China.
It is pervasive. Part of it is cultural, the Chinese simply don’t respect intellectual property as a socialist society, but it is a concerted strategy.
This is the way of the world but when dealing with China they should not be dealt with as a charity case, but instead as a bunch of industrious and very smart thieves (sorry John). Economics should be viewed as a bare knuckle brawl with these guys or they will rob.you.blind.
This is proven in both the numbers and a litany of anecdotal stories of people’s business experience with China.
Cousins hanging doors on Buicks in Flint in the early ’70s wer making $35k/annually plus benefits working 12 hour days. I think it was 5 day weeks. For those who’ve never worked in a factory, even though this was not a mentally challenging job, you were still exhausted at the end of the shift and coudn’t do much except sleep nor much on Sunday either.
With 30 and out, they could get pensions which were not bad at 46.
At the same time, GM wondered why they were paying all this money where Mexicans would do this for $2/hour IIRC.
Cousins had nice house in LaPeer, Mich, vacation places in upper penninsula, RV, and Boats, not to mention the Buicks.
I lost touch with them after the divorce, but I heard they never understood that their jobs were fragile given that they could be done elsewhere for a whole lot less.
Derek,
Boeing did some sort of deal with China in the ’80s which included techoinolgy transfer. The engineers in Seattle had fits over sharing wing technology in the understanding that Boeing built the best wings in the world and you couldn’t grasp the whole process by taking a plane apart.
As to China made airliner program. Read up on it. they’re struggling.
mark bofill,
I don’t care one way or the other if we are or are not screwing Chinese workers. I very much care if we are screwing our workers. I also very much care if we are undermining our national security by relying on China for critical materials.
Trump’s actions are not those of a clown. Trump’s results are not those of a clown. Trump’s words are not those of a clown — most of the time. But sometimes, ugh.
OTOH, Biden, Bliken, Myorkas, etc. gave clowns a bad name. In spite of no wigs, red noses, or funny shoes.
Mike M.
I couldn’t agree with you more that exporting the manufacture of things critical to our own interests is insane and irresponsible.
And as we discovered when we couldn’t get some microprocessors during the covid disaster which should have alerted us to this hazard. Likely applies to rare-earth supplies and maybe other raw materials which we import or which are essential to our economy.
I use a couple of micro-controllers in my projects. They were US designed but likely manufactured under contract overseas. The market was so disrupted by shortages that a couple of the fabricators shut down their lines for some of the older designs which meant my microcontrollers were replaced by newer models with newer chips which were certanly better, but I didn’t need better, I needed what I had been using.
It’s pretty amazing that not being able to get the right microcontroller meant power windows couldn’t work on one of the car lines, which meant that until they could design around it, they couldn’t sell the affected cars. You won’t be able to google this because it wasn’t public knowledge but the problem, in general, certainly was. And of course if the car had been designed more creatively, they would have built extra but unused hardware into the controllers so that something that becomes impossible can be designed around. For those who understand think “fuses”.
As to no kings, maybe what we should really shoot for is no clowns.
john –
Of course they’re struggling. They’re new to it. However, they will improve, just as they have done with so many other products that were new to their domestic industries.
The engineers at Boeing (and GE) were correct in my opinion. Reverse engineering only takes you so far. The problem in my mind is that the execs at Boeing (really transplants from MDD initially and now MBA types with short-term outlooks) mortgaged Boeing’s future competitiveness for short-term cost reductions.
As with so many other products, the initial Chinese-designed and -made aircraft will stink compared to Embraer, Airbus, and Boeing — but they will improve and they will do so capitalized by a domestic market that has no say in what they will purchase.
In the meantime, I think Trump perceived what so many MBAs didn’t: that off-shoring our production lost valuable industrial knowledge and we have to revitalize domestic manufacturing to regain that. That’s at least one of the strategic rationales for reinstituting a tariff regime.
I got back into using fountain pens last year. US companies like Parker and Conklin used to make some of the best in the business. Those brands (and others) are now owned by foreign companies with the actual pens and nibs being made overseas. Even if I get a low production fountain pen made in the US (and I have), the nibs are made in Germany, Taiwan, Japan, or the PRC. Meanwhile, vintage US-made nibs still outperform most of the current production nibs available today.
Some in the fountain pen community are bemoaning the fact their beloved Platinum, TWSBI, LAMY, Jinhao, or other imported brand pen now costs them more. I think about whether the tariffs now make it economically viable for someone to build a domestic brand to rival those. Just don’t make it gold-plated or give it a Trump label, please!
Mike M,
“Trump’s actions are not those of a clown.”
Mostly no, but sometimes they are…… accepting a ‘gift’ of the Nobel Peace Prize… that is clownish.
“Trump’s results are not those of a clown.”
Just about always true.
“Trump’s words are not those of a clown — most of the time. But sometimes, ugh.”
I’d say at least half the time he says boorish, embarrassing things….. clownish is a good description. But you are right about the Biden Administration: they gave clowns a bad name. Every time I think of Kamala and one of her word salads I am happy Trump won in 2024.
Mike,
I don’t particularly care either. I just wondered at how liberals and progressives square this with themselves.
Mark,
Hypocricy is a universal affliction.
John,
I wouldn’t dream of arguing otherwise, of course there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle. I mentioned it here though because people may be inclined to pay less attention to arguments rooted in hypocrisy. Or they may not.
Shrug.
Mark
I see the problem as why should having been forced, as I saw it at the time, to support people I didn’t much respect , prevent me from making observations about the other side.
It isn’t fair to assume that because I’m skeptical of Trumps capabilities, doesn’t mean I thought Biden was superior. He certaibnly was more passive, which sometimes isn’t a bad thing.
Have you ever seen me write anything positive about the guy – “passive” is at best neutral, or Kamala ,or for G_d’s sake, Hillary?
I wasn’t making arguments about Biden? At least, if I was, I’d lost track. This is not all that unlikely, I’m under heavy cognitive load at the moment.
If you care to, point me back to what you’re referring to. Or not, it’s not all that important to me either way.
I hope I’m not coming across as rude in this, I don’t mean to be, but the clock is ticking and I’m not done with what needs finishing yet! Be back later.
I asked AI to write some code to match similar names, specifically ones that had been entered on different systems by hand but had common data entry errors and it popped out something that worked amazingly well in 2 minutes.
I know it’s just regurgitating Github et. al. but not having to grind out code that I know I can do but just takes a lot of effort is a huge deal. This is a big jump in the world of programming.
Oh, I see now. I think you meant to address Mike instead of me.
Those of you debating Trump’s clownish behavior would do well to watch Mark Carney’s speech at Davos.
President Trump‘s second attempt to cross the Atlantic was more successful. Air Force One turned back on the first try because of an electrical problem..
Here’s a screenshot of the second Air Force One approaching the coast of France at 5:25 AM Florida time:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2013920441644023990?s=61
Minor electrical problem? Hmm.
Thomas Fuller,
Maybe you could summarize the speech.
Qatari Air Force One is looking better and better.
The Boeing model with the electrical problem was built in 1987. Boeing is now about 5 years late on delivering the new aircraft.
Another very public Boeing embarrassment.
It’s only about 15 minutes. Summarizing doesn’t do it justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqHDhO4h10
OTOH, if you remember Hugh Grant’s speech to Billy Bob Thornton in Love Actually, you might get the flavor of it. Plus, it’s a great excuse to listen to The Pointer Sisters’ “Jump” again. (David Beckham’s left foot… David Beckham’s right foot…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTVyCp7xrw&list=RDuyTVyCp7xrw&start_radio=1
Thomas Fuller,
Carney and others will go along with a great deal, and complain the entire time.
I second Thomas Fuller’s recommendation to watch Carney’s speech.
Trump’s recent press conference would be another good use of two hours, especially for those who cannot recognize his recent reduction in number of marbles.
john ferguson,
Carney is the consummate politician; Trump is exactly the opposite. OTOH, Carney is all-in on censoring views he disagrees with. No thanks.
” cannot recognize his recent reduction in number of marbles”
Let me know when he starts calling out to people who are dead, tries to shake hands with someone not present, and wanders aimlessly during public appearances.
Trump is a jerk who often lacks self control. He is not suffering dementia.
Maybe I’m confused about this too, but I thought that losing self-control was symptomatic of one flavor of mental decline. The press conference was revealing. He labored interminably over a “book” of the accomplishments of the first year of this term. He seemed to get hung up on the very large paper-clamp that was holding it together, removed it, commented on it and then threw the now unbound papers to the floor.
And then there was the suggestion that the Gulf of America could become the Gulf of Trump.
And maybe we could have a discussion without the repeated references to Biden who appears, at least to me, to be gone from the menu; Thank God,
Trump’s address at Davos is available here.
I just started, so no comment on it.
Edit: I second John’s suggestion to drop references to Biden. I suspect that Trump is not listening here, though.
Thomas W Fuller wrote: “Those of you debating Trump’s clownish behavior would do well to watch Mark Carney’s speech at Davos.”
Well, that was something. A lot of clownish blather clothed in seemingly high minded rhetoric. What did he really say? Its a Rorschach test. The usual suspects at Davos all pretty much start from the same assumptions, so they know what it means. But if you don’t share those assumptions, Carney was too vague to pin down.
Did Carney praise the “rules based international order”? Or did he condemn it? I am not sure. He basically said that the pre-Trump order was a lie leading to all sorts of disasters. But he seems to want to rebuild it, while calling it something else.
Did he praise Trump? It can certainly be read that way since Trump is the grocer who refused to put the lying sign in his window. But I am pretty sure that praise for Trump was not Carney’s intent.
What a hot mess. I will take the worse of Trump’s clownish words over such rubbish any day of the week.
Mike M, A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
Wow. I’m really into old music today, aren’t I?
Trump mentioned “our hemisphere” in his speech … I suspect he’d like to absorb Canada & Mexico as well as Greenland into the US.
…maybe if that had been tried during the colonial era. (Say, the 1800s, when most of the US land acquisition occurred, up to the purchase of Alaska in 1867.) Don’t see that as a possibility now, when self-determination is pre-eminent. Separation, not consolidation, is in vogue now.
Thomas,
I love it when one works old song lyrics into conversation! I do it all the time, to my wife’s consternation.
Edit: maybe “consternation” isn’t quite right, “resigned sighs” perhaps.
HaroldW,
The usefullness of this wonderful site seems to lie more in the opportunity to discuss and debate things we disagree on.
I don’t think anyone I read here thinks Biden was still whole in his second term and maybe a lot of us, well me for example, thought he was never anyone to be much respected – never quite there.
I’m not saying Trump is playing 4-D chess but somehow it is a major headline that the US isn’t going to invade Greenland, ha ha. Trump just throws the Overton window into the garbage.
I’m on Team Clown but if you look at Trump as mostly Funny Clown rather than Stephen King’s It then he is much easier to take.
If Trump just likes to make his opponents have a conniption fit for his own entertainment then he has some rather easy targets. Have you ever noticed that Russia and China never take this bait?
Trump doesn’t respect the EU for whatever reason. It’s probably as simple as the EU elite have been crapping on people like Trump for their entire existence so he enjoys taking a dump on their front lawn and making them clean it up.
There is little to be gained by this behavior. If at the end of this the EU takes their own defense seriously (in action, not words) then that will be an accomplishment.
Tom,
iirc, Trump *did* get the NATO countries to increase their defense expenditures in his first term. This was before Putin’s Ukraine “special military operation”, although after the 2014 Crimea annexation.
I think fear of Putin is a greater motivation for Europe to take their own defense seriously, rather than responding to Trump.
ditto. John is unpersuaded and that’s fine. John will apparently go on claiming Trump is losing his mind every few days and that’s also fine. FWIW, I won’t waste the energy telling John he’s got this wrong going forward anymore if I can help it. For the record, I don’t think we have seen evidence Trump is losing his marbles yet.
Guys,
I’ll let it go. As I think I once read , sort of: “This truth is self-evident”
But if it isn’t there’s no point in my continuing to beat on it.
Is there?
When I hear people say “world order” I substitute “the US pays for our defense and polices the world for us”. The rest of the paragraph then usually makes more sense.
It’s been 4 years since the Ukraine war has started and I don’t see the EU war machine cranking up at all. There is certainly a lot of rhetoric and promises to invest more. Poland looks like it is taking it seriously. I think Trump is correct that the only thing that will make the EU move (especially the western EU) is a credible threat to pull out of NATO.
I’m a backer of NATO but the EU actually has to provide some value here and I’m not sure what that is.
The thing that really turned me against the EU is the constant stream of US tech sector shakedowns. It’s basically a tax for access to the EU market.
John,
You don’t have to drop it. I just don’t have anything new to tell you.
John Ferguson,
It is self evident that all men are created equal and Trump is a jerk; he always has been. We can safely say he has not mellowed with age.
It is true that loss of self control is consistent with mid-stage dementia. (Seen it multiple times.) But Trump has never had self control, so I doubt his lack of self control means a lot. He will continue to be an asshole through his term in office, and after he leaves as well….. you can count on it.
The never-ending saga in the Ukrainian town of Pokrovsk…..
After a year and a half of fighting and 150,000 killed and wounded Russian soldiers, they are 75% done capturing the city and all they have to show for it is a pile of rubble and the prospects of another year in the meat grinder.
OSINT analystPfarer:
“ISW and Indications & Warnings both assess that eventual Russian seizure of Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad remains feasible. Both also predict that a prolonged campaign will be necessary, and that any Russian ‘victory’ will come only at continued and enormous cost.”
And….
“I note again that with its buildings, rail and civil infrastructure reduced to rubble, the tactical and strategic relevance of Pokrovsk have become increasingly moot.”
https://x.com/chuckpfarrer/status/2014016662224388443?s=61
The camp who believes the solution in Ukraine is to continue bleeding the Russian army dry must be happy with this situation.
Tom Scharf,
Obviously, that was an AI summary of EU fines of US tech firms. I was amused by
when most of us can add 798 million and 220 million and come up with a number greater than 1.08 billion.
So I googled…the €798 million figure was correct. But the fine for storing user passwords in plaintext was €91 million. There was also a €200 million fine for Meta’s “pay or consent” advertising model, which requires that European Union users pay to access ad-free versions of Facebook and Instagram.
Another example of the (in)accuracy of AI.
“I’m a backer of NATO but the EU actually has to provide some value here and I’m not sure what that is.”
With the EU declaring war on 1) free speech, and 2) the existence of any political party that is not on the left,
I rather suspect there will be a continuing rupture of the USA-EU relationship, at least as long as a Democrat is not president in the USA. Really, we have a substantial divergence of interests and basic policies.
HaroldW,
Yes, when I blockquote without attribution it means it is from AI. Take it for what it is worth. Mostly right, most of the time. I have seen AI make a complete mess of taking data out of HTML tables.
I thought about posting something Trump put up which said EU revenue from US fines exceeded the tax revenue they get from their own tech companies but figured that was probably even looser with the facts.
The Ukrainian defense forces are touting a new experimental “KILL ZONE” tactic in drone warfare, whether this is just hype from the Ukrainian military or an actual breakthrough in drone tactics is yet to be proven. They have one demonstration sitewhere they claim it has been working for several months.
Several respectable sites are reporting it:
Grok:
“The “kill zone” tactic in the Ukrainian military context refers to a drone-dominated defensive strategy that creates expansive no-go areas for enemy forces, primarily through unmanned aerial and ground systems. This approach has evolved from traditional ambush-style kill zones—defined in military doctrine as concentrated fire zones against advancing enemies—to a more dynamic, technology-driven barrier that leverages reconnaissance, FPV (first-person view) drones, and ground robotic platforms to detect and neutralize threats at extended ranges. It’s particularly prominent in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, where it aims to counter infantry assaults and mechanized advances without relying heavily on manned positions.”
More from Grok:
https://x.com/i/grok/share/ac6692e3fd6e492e83389f0b3da03f86
ISW:
“Ukrainian forces reportedly created a tactical kill zone that denies Russian forces from using vehicles within 20 to 25 kilometers of the front line or using infantry within one kilometer of the front line near Kupyansk — a capability that Ukraine should deepen and expand across the entire theater.”
More from ISW:
https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2014005071634464951?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
All things equal the EU has much more to lose in a NATO breakup which is indicative that the relationship is unbalanced. The chances of the EU coming to the rescue when the US is invaded (by Greenland?) is pretty small.
That doesn’t mean NATO has no value, it is a major deterrent to Russian aggression. However that Russian aggression mostly threatens the EU and asking the EU to fund their own militaries like a war might happen isn’t asking for the moon. It is to the EU’s benefit to do this anyway.
The EU should be able to handle Russia by itself. If they had the will they could push Russia out of Ukraine. They simply aren’t serious about their own defense.
The EU has participated in a few policing actions such as Afghanistan and Iraq but the US has always done the heavy lifting.
Steve — It’s been my perception — based on nothing other than watching what was going on — that the EU desires a US president who subordinates US interests to European (and most specifically French and German) interests ala Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
NATO on the other hand wants a US that can and will lead the way against Russian aggression. Europe needs to resolve their split-personality problem. Trump told them their dependence on Russian energy would be a problem and it was. France’s desire to keep the future of Gaza in the hands of a UN that is dominated by anti-Israel (and indeed anti-Western) forces is going to continue to be a problem.
Tom,
I don’t think NATO without the United States has a serious nuclear deterrent against Russia.
Tom: “I thought about posting something Trump put up which said EU revenue from US fines exceeded the tax revenue they get from their own tech companies but figured that was probably even looser with the facts.”
Like all Trumpian claims, one must approach this with skepticism, but it’s true that EU tech is much smaller than US or Asian tech. According to https://companiesmarketcap.com/eur/tech/largest-tech-companies-by-revenue/ , the largest EU tech companies (by revenue) include
#33 SAP, revenue about €35 billion
#35 Schneider Electric, €34 billion
#37 ASML, €30 billion,
#48 Ericsson, €20 billion
#53 Nokia, €19 billion
#62 Spotify, €16 billion
…and the list continues.
Without actually doing the work to find out how much tax those companies paid, I’d guess that it’s an exaggeration that the fines exceed that total.
HaroldW,
I do not think the fines are intended to raise revenue so much as to intimidate the US based companies into censoring their users according to EU censorship rules.
IMHO, the USA based companies need to tell the EU to pound sand….. but they need the backing of retaliatory threats from the US administration. Censoring people outside the EU is a losing proposition for the EU…. the Trump administration just needs to make them recognize that reality.
Tom Scharf,
“That doesn’t mean NATO has no value….”
I am not convinced. Alliances need to be based on shared interests, values, and goals. While true in 1960, today I am not seeing it. The USA and Europe seem to diverge on every significant political question…. immigration, free speech, political liberty, the “International Criminal Court”, bureaucratic control (of everything), etc.
Yes, Europe needs to be able to defend itself. But US help in that effort should be conditional on European political behavior. Stop censoring. Stop banning parties that don’t hew to leftist views. Stop trying to impose your views on other countries.
After that, we can talk.
President Trump posted just now about the Greenland deal with NATO on TruthSocial:
“ Based upon a very productive meeting that I have had with the Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, we have formed the framework of a future deal with respect to Greenland and, in fact, the entire Arctic Region. This solution, if consummated, will be a great one for the United States of America, and all NATO Nations. Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the Tariffs that were scheduled to go into effect on February 1st. Additional discussions are being held concerning The Golden Dome as it pertains to Greenland. Further information will be made available as discussions progress. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, and various others, as needed, will be responsible for the negotiations — They will report directly to me. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
DONALD J. TRUMP
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115934734335579278
SteveF
Was any of the drive for mutual interests beyond defense a part ot the initial NATO charter?
Turkey? Hungary?
so ‘Trump the mad man’ was just another ploy to bring NATO to the negotiating table.
It appears to have worked.
Brillianrt Pebbles revisited?
John Ferguson,
Hungary is a recent addition, and are in constant conflict with the “progressive” EU countries WRT immigration… and other issues..
Turkey has changed enormously since NATO started….. and I do not see we any longer have many mutual interests with Turkey.
It is interesting. Turkey is a 53/47 society divided between western oriented individuals and very devout Islamists. The Islamists have just enough votes to consistently prevail in elections. Before Erdogan became president, I spoke with many Turks (all modern secularists!), who were 100% convinced Turkey would never elect someone like Erdogan. They were mistaken, of course. Reminded me a little of progressives in the USA who could not imagine Trump could be elected.
You need only stray 3 or 4 blocks from the main streets in Istanbul to see Turkish reality: women shrouded in black head to toe. The (slim) majority of people in Turkey are devout Muslims, and will vote that way.
Ataturk ultimately failed to convert Turkey into a modern (Western aligned) state. He kicked out the Mullahs, but they are back. I think Turkey has no business being in NATO… utterly divergent values.
John,
I must confess to being uninformed on the Golden Dome technology. I looked into it about six months ago and could find no technical details. Maybe it’s time to look again.
maybe it is just a rehash of Brilliant Pebbles.
Russell,
I suspect “Golden Dome” is Trump’s version of Israel’s “Iron Dome”
Maybe I was being too subtle. The EU != NATO. The EU is an economic pact. NATO is a military one. They have different personalities in charge and different agendas.
No need to suspect anything. Trump most definitely copied Iron Dome after their success against Palestinian rocket attacks and labeled his version “Golden Dome”. Brilliant Pebbles was just one element in the proposed Strategic Defense Initiative architecture.
Trump: You Can Tell How Stupid A Country Is By How Many Windmills They Have
I would guess that the Golden Dome would have at least two layers. A forward layer to provide continental defense by taking out ICBM’s before reentry, ideally before MIRV’s can be released. Then a second layer, resembling Iron Dome to provide local protection of high value targets from whatever might get past the first layer.
Perhaps this kind of thing could work against Iran or North Korea but I think the offense has the advantage for first order militaries that are committed. It doesn’t solve sub launched supersonic cruise missiles and the latest hypersonic maneuverable ballistic payloads.
I can seeing intercepting ballistic missiles on the lift phase from space based platforms in bulk but the problem gets really hard and expensive after that at scale. Space based weapons are still “against international law”. The cost to successfully defend an all out first nuclear strike with MIRV’s would be gigantic I suspect.
As far as I am concerned they can probably just send the warheads over in shipping containers. I just don’t think this can be stopped. Do the research but spending the money on deployment is likely not worth it and is likely why we haven’t seen it yet. MAD is more cost efficient for everyone.
Russell writes, so ‘Trump the mad man’ was just another ploy to bring NATO to the negotiating table.
It appears to have worked.
Trump backing down when confronted is a recurring theme of his public life.
Maybe the doddering and demented dumkopf just felt humiliated after Carney spoke in complete sentences for 15 minutes, something Trump cannot do.
Or maybe someone whispered in his ear that the US already has two bases in Greenland and that both Greenland and Denmark have for years invited the US to put more bases there, going so far as to volunteer to shoulder some of the costs.
Or maybe Trump decided that he needed a new distraction to help us all forget that less than 1% of the Epstein files have been released.
But go ahead and pretend that Trump won a great victory… it’s kind of amusing.
Or… maybe… he really did mean Iceland!
Go to famously neutral Switzerland
Give speech in German-speaking part of Switzerland
Tell them they’d all be speaking German if it wasn’t for the US
OK, hear me out. I got a theory.
Assuming the ‘golden dome’ it’s still just a pipe dream and a number of years off and maybe it will never be deployed, I have a different scheme.
What if Greenland is intended for offensive nuclear weapons, not defensive.
I assumed the mainland US launch site would be Minot North Dakota and used Grok to do the maths…
Launching an intercontinental ballistic missile towards Russia would, on average, be about 40% less distance or 2000 miles closer than launching in North Dakota.
If we’re talking about MAD being our nuclear defense, launching ICBMs from Greenland gives the United States a big advantage.
Russell, if that’s the plan, the USA has had permission to do that since 1951.
Thomas,
I bet we didn’t have approval to build ICBM missile silos in Greenland. That’s why we want sovereignty over the land where we’re positioning the nuclear weapons. Greenland has vast expenses of wasteland would be perfect to use for US ICBM bases.. maybe have portable by ICBM launch systems on skis
More of my theory….
Maybe we want nuclear submarine bases in the Arctic or maybe conventional navy bases in in the Arctic. Greenland would be a lot closer to Russia and be able to monitor the sea lanes better then on the mainland, United States. Maybe we want bases for conventional military launch sites. We would need it if we wanted to pull off a Venezuela style raid on Russia. Maybe we want to base some of our stealth nuclear bomber fleet in Greenland.
Lucia,
it might help this discussion if you could publish a map of the Arctic on this page.
Here’s a suggestion:
https://x.com/rklier21/status/2014294000883191962?s=61&t=7w4bCW3a8ve2DqoeniQatQ
More to our pedophile president’s interest, Greenland is much closer to Paris and Berlin than Minot.
Robert Reich was murdered, wasn’t he? How am I finding his pieces about Trump in Davos?
They ain’t kidding when they call it ghostwriting I guess.
Thomas Fuller,
Please show a single instance where one of Epstein’s underage victims accused Trump of misconduct. You can’t, of course. Like religion, your beliefs about Trump are rarely grounded in facts. Yes, Trump is a jerk. No, there is no evidence he is a pedophile…… and never seemed to have a weird fascination with sniffing the hair of teenage girls.
Washington, DC to Nuuk Greenland is 2,035 miles. Copenhagen to Nuuk is 2,204 miles. I am not sure what your point is about distances from Greenland.
Tom Scharf wrote: “MAD is more cost efficient for everyone.”
Nonsense, unless you ignore the really big (non-monetary) costs of MAD.
MAD can not deal with nuclear blackmail by a rogue actor, whether state or non-state. It also can not deal with a mistaken or accidental launch. A defense system could deal with such cases. I regard that as a very good argument for the Golden Dome.
Also, even a leaky Golden Dome would provide an extra layer of security beyond MAD. It is unlikely that China or Russia would launch an attack on us. The Golden Dome would make that even less likely since they could not be sure such an attack would succeed but could be sure that the response would be devastating.
Sorry, I was thinking of Rob Reiner!
Mike M,
A container with a multi-megaton warhead is a much more plausible delivery system for “rogue” states, and especially so if there were a credible ABM system in place. A terrain hugging cruise missile is another option to avoid dealing with an ABM system. It is hard for me to see how a big ABM system would be worth the money. A limited system, designed to deal with one or a few missiles, may be justified, but maybe not.
mark bofill,
“Sorry, I was thinking of Rob Reiner!”
More coffee in the morning!
On the ship delivered nukes: I’ve wondered for years why no-one has done it so far. Despite the relative simplicity of a fission bomb, precision machining is required, not to mention the raw materials. They aren’t like kalashnikovs which can be made in shops not much more sophisticated than blacksmiths.
I suppose it’s the probablity that the authors would be identified and their interests devastated. And, again so far, no-one has surfaced that thinks its worth it.
Tom,
Distance to European capitals isn’t what makes Greenland strategic. Its value is in Arctic positioning, North Atlantic transit routes, early-warning systems, and proximity to Russia. You can see some of that from the map. And on that, Trump is basically right.
Where he’s bonkers is his public ranting and threatening rhetoric — that’s not how you handle allied territory in a NATO context.
Weapons of mass destruction are illegal under the Outer Space Treaty. Other weapons (particularly defensive ones) are legal — ill-advised but legal.
ABM systems are expensive. The destruction and death caused by the missiles they intercept is even more expensive. MAD was an idiotic theory when McNamara was pushing it and it’s even more idiotic today. It only works if everyone involved agrees with the underlying theory so that it actually inhibits them from launching attacks but the Soviet Union never subscribed to MAD. I doubt Putin does either.
Golden Dome certainly faces a lot of technical challenges just as SDI did before it. Critics of SDI used to say you can’t hit a bullet with a bullet — until we started doing so. Technical and engineering challenges can be overcome and have been time after time for eons. Tell someone to develop and build a water delivery system that will last for millenia with little to no maintenance and they’ll probably tell you it can’t be done. Then point to the Roman aquaduct systems that are still working today.
The R&D done for Golden Dome will also reap benefits for the civilian communities in aviation, spaceflight, electronics, etc. just as Apollo and other programs have done for decades.
rump being an obnoxious boor who speaks at a 6th grade level doesn’t preclude him from having good ideas or actually being correct about some things.
A problem with designing legal methods to protect against the illegal is that they have to be tested. Sometimes the illegal weapon has to be constructed to use in the testing.
And it’s been done.
SteveF wrote: “A container with a multi-megaton warhead is a much more plausible delivery system for “rogue” states”.
I said “blackmail” not terrorism. I don’t see how you can use a smuggled nuke for blackmail.
Even for terrorism, a nuke in a shipping container leaves you with the problem of how to trigger the thing. A timer would create a big uncertainty as to where it goes off.
It seems to me that building a nuke is far beyond the capability of the sort of people who might want to use one to create a city killing ship bomb. With the possible exception of the Iranians.
Thank you, Lucia
SteveF, you’re wrong about Russia–you’re wrong about our pedo prez, too.
“The plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges that she was subjected to extreme sexual and physical abuse by the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, including forcible rape during a four month time span covering the months of June-September, 1994 when Plaintiff Johnson was still only a minor of age 13.”
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf
https://www.narativ.org/p/video-affidavit-of-katie-johnson
https://www.facebook.com/groups/490590048157217/permalink/1954337758449098/
https://mdavis19881.substack.com/p/epstein-26-analysis-thoughts-on-the
As I mentioned the first time I linked to it, they never went to trial. Cash settlement, NDA…
Russia has about 5,500 nuclear warheads. Europe has 500 nuclear warheads divided between France and England. The US has about 5,200 nuclear warheads.
It’s clear that Europe is dependent on the United States for its nuclear security. We have them over a barrel. If they want us to be their nuclear deterrent and we say we need Greenland to do that, well by golly they better give us Greenland.
Particularly now that we don’t want the settled portions we just want the vast wasteland.
ICBM silos are pretty easy fixed position targets.
It used to be you could harden them because Russia wasn’t accurate enough for direct hits on a silo. That isn’t the case now and good luck surviving a 1 megaton direct hit.
Closer to Russia works both ways. They can take them out quicker. No President wants to launch Armageddon against Russia with a 10 minute warning given the number of false alarms both sides have had. You want to be able to absorb the first hit (you can’t stop it anyway), verify, and then wipe out the other side. A longer delay is actually a feature IMO.
The Russians still don’t have an answer for sub launched missiles and the US air force and the EU present it with MAD. We don’t need to invent something new here, although the thought exercise for improvement is always ongoing.
Tom,
“A longer delay is actually a feature IMO.”
that’s like saying it’s snowing more because of global warming
Mike M.
A single suicidal rouge actor can smuggle in a nuclear warhead, they don’t need an ICBM.
We already have some anti-missile technology that has been worked on for decades and might do the job now for very small numbers. See the recent movie “House of Dynamite”.
This is a very, very difficult problem at scale that you can’t just shake a magic tech stick at. Even if you do roll out a mega-expensive space based system the other side can likely obsolete it for 10X less money.
Things are changing, payload to space is getting cheaper and drone tech is exploding.
FYI: The US hasn’t built an ICBM silo for 60 years. There are reasons, they didn’t need new ones due to arms limitation agreements and they are too vulnerable. The Ruskies were driving huge mobile missile launchers all around Siberia to try to solve this problem.
When the Soviet Union were in their final financial death throws, Ronald Reagan pushed them over the edge when he said he was gonna build Star Wars and they knew they had no money to counter it.
Russia is in a similar position now they are completely depleted financially and are in no state to take on an aggressive nuclear building campaign by the United States, whether the US builds offensive capability or defensive capability.
The flight time for a Russian Zircon Mach 9 hypersonic missile launched from a submarine sitting off the US east coast to Washington DC is 3 to 5 minutes. Already tested in Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M22_Zircon
I cannot stress enough how much further the offense is ahead of the defense here.
Thomas Fuller,
Lemme see.
1) A pro se civil filing, asking for $100 million
2) 13+ years after the alleged crimes
3) Which were never reported to anyone
4) Filed while Trump was running for president
5) Filed In Trump-friendly California, and based on
6) Alleged crimes with no statute of limitations
Odd that no trial lawyer was interested.
But never prosecuted by California, nor by New York. There is a large bridge in NYC I would like to sell to you.
Tom Scharf wrote: ” No President wants to launch Armageddon against Russia with a 10 minute warning given the number of false alarms both sides have had.”
Which is why we need the Golden Dome.
Grok thinks Zircon is still at work in progress:
“The Zircon hypersonic missile’s accuracy is officially claimed by Russia to be very high (often cited as 1–5 meters CEP in ideal conditions), but real-world evidence from its limited use in Ukraine shows inconsistencies, with some missiles missing targets, deviating significantly, or having minimal impact due to guidance challenges like plasma interference at high speeds.
Independent experts generally view it as capable of good precision against large or fixed targets when it slows for terminal guidance, but it’s far less reliable than hyped—especially against moving targets—and remains more of an experimental, high-cost weapon than a consistently pinpoint-accurate one.”
And Russia is in no position right now for expensive technology development research.
SteveF, I don’t know if this was true or not. The way it disappeared seems suspicious. More suspicious is Trump’s behavior–“If she wasn’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.” When Ivanka was a teenager.
But at the end of the day, when more than 1% of the Epstein files have seen the light of the day, we’ll know more. Maybe. But I already know enough about Trump’s character. So do most people–probably including you. You support him despite his character because he does things you approve of.
It’s what that says about you that surprises me.
Just to be clear, I have been reading the Blackboard for more than a decade, like many here. I thought most of the participants were intelligent, had better manners than me, and had some sense of ethics.
Oh, well. Hey! Trump is getting rid of the undocumented immigrants! So all is well.
lucia wrote: “Where he’s bonkers is his public ranting and threatening rhetoric — that’s not how you handle allied territory in a NATO context.”
I disagree. There is no point in politely asking people to change an entrenched status quo, especially when those being asked have a self-interest in the status quo. If you want results, you need to risk being rude and giving offense.
I thought Trump went too far with the text message to Norway’s PM and the latest tariff threat. But then, all of a sudden, a result! Now it looks to me like he finally went far enough to get the result.
I will always take action over words and substance over style. With Trump, we get action and substance. It is jarring since we have gotten so used to little but words and style from politicians. Except, that is, when they use words and style to disguise perverse actions.
Thomas Fuller,
I support Trump BECAUSE of his character.
Thomas
Its true the case never went to trial. The plaintiff filed in various venues, but cases were dismissed by the court or withdrawn.
So you have any public legal filing, court record or credible news source reporting there was a settlement? Do any of the lawsuits file indicate a settlement? Because… chatGPT says it finds no evidence there was any sort of settlement.
It’s always annoying when someone puts me in a position to defend Trump. He’s an annoying AH. But… still… facts matter.
The tone about Greenland has changed. Today Zelensky says he wants to help….
“If Russian military ships are freely sailing around Greenland, Ukraine can help. We have the experience and the weapons to make sure none of these ships remain. They can sink near Greenland just as they did near Crimea.”
-President Zelensky
Tom,
Is it your position that Greenland would not be a military asset to the United States, or am I misinterpreting your comments?
We can quibble about the state of the technology. I don’t doubt we have a long way to go to make Golden Dome a reality.
In my mind here’s no denying the offensive advantages of mounting assaults from Greenland, whether they be conventional or nuclear.
I agree that Greenland may have value as the northern shipping routes open up, potential mineral wealth, etc. I just don’t see much from a defense department (errr … war department) standpoint that we don’t already have.
I was literally working on SDI programs in the 1980’s at a defense contractor. There was a lot of Star Wars money around. The same problems were being worked on, MIRV’s decoys, etc. A lot of real work happened that resulted in our missile defense today.
But the Russians learned too, 40 years ago, and they are developing weaponry that can side step ABM defenses. The Russian know how to build rockets, they are very good at it, but don’t have the budgets They should be respected and feared.
Lucia writes, “It’s always annoying when someone puts me in a position to defend Trump. He’s an annoying AH. But… still… facts matter.”
You’re kind of making my point for me. He’s not an annoying AH. He’s a criminal who has been successfully sued for sexual assault and accused of numerous similar offenses. As I wrote above, I don’t know if he committed rape of a 13-year-old. But his behavior for decades and what it has revealed of his character makes it chillingly plausible. Grab ’em by the pussy!
Calling him an annoying AH trivializes what he really is and allows people to put him in a normalized behavioral box. ‘That’s just Trump.’ ‘Boys will be boys.’ No. He is a dangerous predator that is destroying the country I love–even if I now love it from a distance. How he treats women–26 of whom have accused him of various degrees of sexual assault (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-loses-lawsuit-sexual-abuse-b2336239.html)–is how he is treating the United States of America. As objects to be exploited for his personal benefit.
‘Annoying AH’ lets him off the hook. And lets people without a soul say they support him because of his character.
Thomas,
I visited the link you left to support a final claim.
I’m left wondering if you read the article they linked?
Snopes has long discussion.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/03/trump-epstein-katie-johnson/
Taylor’s story, as told to Jezebel, was “that he’d heard Katie’s story for the first time [in 2014], after meeting her at a party” and that “as a former psychology major in college and reality TV producer … people were always telling him things unsolicited, even now that he’s retired from television.” To Jezebel, he claimed (without evidence) to have worked as a producer for “Inside Edition
In the months before the 2016 U.S. presidential election, however, The Guardian connected the Taylor persona to a former producer for “The Jerry Springer Show” named Norm Lubow. In 2016, Lubow strongly denied to Jezebel and The Guardian that he was Taylor.
However, when Snopes spoke to Lubow in July 2024, he confirmed that he was, in fact, Taylor and said he did aid the accuser in her first lawsuit and in promoting the claims within it to journalists. Thomas Meagher, an attorney who represented someone identifying herself as Johnson in 2016, declined to comment for this story. In this story, Snopes shows how Lubow’s involvement remains a key red flag undermining the Johnson claims.
Earlier in the article they describe Lubow’s reputation
Note: There is also no proof Johnson is a real person. That’s why the “does not disprove that Johnson is a real person,” is even an issue.
Later in the article
The court being unable to contact the plaintiff is a bad sign for the plaintiff.
So no one can seem to meet the plaintiff….
And the tales of the plaintiff agreeing to ingerviews and never showing go on and on.
This is about the man who pushed the story (initially under a pseudonym.)
Continuuing…
And wrapping up
Thomas, when you drop a link to a page that is mostly just links to underlying articles, you really ought to read the underlying articles. ‘Cuz.
Derek H,
Correct. Defensive weapons are allowed in space providing they aren’t nuclear. My mistake. There was a limitation but it expired in 2002.
There are a lot of “national security” launches lifting pretty heavy stuff to orbit. I do wonder if we currently already have some capability here. My guess is they are concentrating on anti-satellite weapons instead of ABM.
Tom, Your arguments are about the past and where the technology might be today. We have to be thinking about the future where is the technology going to be in 10 years or 20 years? Russia has been a threat for 300 years and probably will still be a threat in 300 more years.
Greenland gives us a lot more options for countering that threat.
The MSM would track down with vigor any anti-Trump claims like this. They have all taken a pass. The Epstein files were available to the previous Democratic administration so it is very unlikely to have any there there.
This is tracking similarly to Trump Russia Collusion. Breathless hyperventilating among partisans about new information that never pans out. Am I to believe with all the anti-Trump fervor that nobody would have leaked this stuff? Nope.
Lucia, I said I did not know if the story was true or not. Looks like it wasn’t. But it doesn’t change Trump’s character nor anything I said about him. And it doesn’t change anything about how I think of people who trivialize his behavior.
Did you read the story in the Independent I linked to? Did you see the tape where he bragged he would ‘grab ’em by the pussy?’
Tom Scharf, they have released 1% of the Epstein files. If there wasn’t anything incriminating in there, don’t you think they would have released more?
Russell,
Yes, the future is not ICBM’s sitting in fixed position silos except to the extent they can be upgraded on the cheap. The future is highly maneuverable supersonic missiles launched from submarines. About 70% of the (limited by treaty) deployed US nuclear warhead inventory are riding on submarines.
I’m sure we still have people working on this stuff. I’m not arguing we shouldn’t work on it, I’m arguing a 1950’s style missile dome is not the right strategy for something that won’t be ready for 20 years. That defense type is nearly already obsolete.
Thomas Fuller,
I think if there was a Trump smoking gun in there it would have been leaked already. There might be some embarrassing decades old stuff there somewhere, but I doubt it will move the needle on people’s assessment of Trump’s character. Sexual impropriety in politicians doesn’t matter to most people, proven by both sides.
In theory unproven investigative details and grand jury testimony is supposed to be kept secret because of this very problem. People exploiting unproven things investigated by “authorities” that were never charged … because most of the time it wasn’t true.
There is nothing allegedly in these files a living witness couldn’t already just come out and say. For these reasons I’m not expecting much.
Tom, whatever the future may bring, Greenland gives us more flexibility in dealing with it. If everything is going to be submarines, Greenland could be the site for submarine bases, for example.
(or bases for hunting Russian submarines)
When even The Guardian refuses to back you, it means you’re really full of shit.
Thomas,
You called him a pedophile. SteveF said he wasn’t. Then you doubled down– with this as your evidence. You also claimed he payed this person off.
I think the fact that the story you used as evidence appears to be false changes something about your claim in that exchange.
There is plenty of unflattering stuff you can say about Trump. But these particular claims appear false.
It’s really sort of silly to sweep in false claims to try to buttress your case. If you think the other stuff is damning enough, just stick to that.
Okay, what do you think of the ‘damning other stuff?’
Trump won the election. He won the popular vote. He won the Congress. He won the Senate. He will be around for three more years…… he probably will not run again. This conversation about Trump‘s morals 20 years ago is worse than useless.
In another year, we will be choosing a new congress and a new Senate; that is worth discussing
Insiders leaked Trump’s tax returns. Comey leaked his discussions which were supposed to be privileged DOJ material. Even forgetting 2016 when Hillary was Obama’s chosen successor and the White House was essentially organizing an anti-Trump campaign using all the governmental resources they could muster, the Biden DOJ — which was not shy at all about tapping the phones of sitting US Senators to try to dig up dirt — couldn’t find anything to leak about Trump-Epstein other than very old pictures at parties.
I hate having to defend this obnoxious boor but TDS is so willfully blind I find I have to. You would think they’d have learned something from the colossal failure of the Trump-Russia Collusion hoax to produce anything resembling facts.
Did you ever think perhaps DOJ rules are prohibiting release of material because of the effect it might have on people who were only casually acquainted with Epstein? Or people who Epstein intended to victimize but wasn’t able to because they didn’t take his bait?
Think of the analog: Don Corleone wants to set up a legal protection network so he researches 100 judges and prosecutors and policemen to figure out who he can pull into his circle. He ends up contacting 50 and of them 48 or 49 reject his overtures or refuse to respond at all.
You find all this material while prosecuting Michael and prosecute the 1 or 2 who accepted the Don’s offers. Do you release all the files with everyone else named?
Lucia,
I am glad you had it in you to produce all that for Thomas…. I sure didn’t.
Trump is a jerk and as unpleasant a person as you are likely to encounter….. But there is no credible evidence of him raping a 13 YO. It says a great deal that Thomas would straight-out accuse Trump of that based very dubious and long refuted claims.
Thomas,
You are wasting people’s time with unsupported claims about Trump., and that says much about you that is not flattering.
“You support him despite his character because he does things you approve of.”
I support many (not all) of Trump’s policies; I most certainly do not support him personally; his behavior resembles that of a badly behaved, spoiled 6 year old.
I would much prefer he had a major stroke and JD Vance became president. Voting for Trump was a hold-your-nose lesser-of- evils choice. Pure ass-hole Trump or word-salad Kamala…. along with racial preferences in all things (DEI), mandated electric cars, and another 10 million illegal immigrants pouring across the southern border? Easy choice.
Spring has sprung. I saw two butterflies flittering around the garden today.
Looks like we survived another hard cold winter.
Thomas
I already said he’s an AH. I don’t think my opinion of him is a secret.
I don’t like it when you make obviously false claims though. And then I’m forced to defend him. So please stop making false claims. Stick to the true stuff.
Tom Scharf,
“Sexual impropriety in politicians doesn’t matter to most people, proven by both sides.”
I guess!
There has never been anybody more blatantly inappropriate than Clinton, and the voters mostly shrugged. That Republicans in Congress figured they could damage Clinton with an impeachment over his inability to keep his pants on in the oval office says how politically naive they were. Powerful, rich people (especially men) often use that power and wealth to gain sexual favors. In other news, the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
SteveF
I’m with you on Vance gaining the presidency sooner rather than later even though that might make it tougher for a Democrat I might prefer to gain office in 2028. And there could be a Democrat i wouldn’t prefer.
Well, you’re certainly correct that I should have looked harder at that case and I apologize for that. But I stand by the rest of what I said (not much of a surprise there).
John Ferguson,
“I’m with you on Vance gaining the presidency sooner rather than later…”
Not likely to happen.
But if it did, there would be an added benefit: Fuller wouldn’t be claiming Vance rapes 13 YOs. 😉
I do wish people would focus more on policy and less on personal foibles.
SteveF,
You are mistaken. Should Vance become the Republican nominee in 2028, we will be treated to all sorts of outrageous and spurious attacks on his character.
Mike M,
Yes, but not about raping 13 YOs.
Bull in the China shop Trump calls out a painful reality: The UN is an organization of very limited usefulness, bloated with corruption, rent-seeking small countries, insufferable arrogant diplomats, and painted entirely with leftist garbage.
I have long thought the UN should either be reformed or dissolved, with dissolved clearly the more fruitful approach. There is zero reason to have delegates from paradises of freedom like Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Iran serving on committees evaluating personal liberties. I suggest Trump ask the UN to move to a garden spot like Havana, Johannesburg, or Riyad, and then withdraw from the organization.
Thomas
Ok. But I don’t know what that was other than that he’s an AH– which many of us agree with.
Trump recently withdrew from 60+ international agencies, including 30 UN agencies, and people barely noticed.
Trump Pulls U.S. Out of More Than 30 U.N. Bodies
U.S. will no longer be involved in or fund groups including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
https://www.wsj.com/world/trump-pulls-u-s-out-of-more-than-30-u-n-bodies-11127ca4?st=v4yk8r&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Bringing back places to help look after people with mental illness
Winner.
Stop Banks charging exorbitant credit card fees north of 20%
Winner
Insist on legal immigration
Winner.
Tom Fuller
Winner?
“Well, you’re certainly correct that I should have looked harder at that case and I apologize for that”
Steve F commented
“You are wasting people’s time with unsupported claims and that says much about you that is not flattering”.
–
Bottom line is you got another slur in that was intended and untrue but obviously in your eyes for the greater good.
Reminiscent of a pale version of Joshua.
Either lacking in insight and introspection.
No moral guidance or compass and no intention to find one.
I do mind but only a little. Not my problem.
There really is no real TF as a person to argue with and no real argument on the occasions when you deliberately present fiction as fact to slur people.
TF
Arctic Sea ice JAXA Extent is (barely) lowest in satellite record, 0.5k below 2018 in #2 and 184k below 2025 in #3.
Not long to go now to maximum for this year. Should shoot up like a rocket
angech,
20% on a credit cad means the cardholder has a significant chance of default or bankruptcy. If credit card interest rates above x% are prohibited, the result will be people with the worst credit rating will not have access to bank credit. The only alternative will be a guy named Guido who charges 15% per month on his loans and breaks the borrower’s bones if they don’t pay on time.
angech,
To add just a bit:
Alternatives like forcing banks to offer credit to high risk borrowers at low interest rates will only create moral hazard, ultimately either destroying banks or (more likely) transferring unpaid debts to taxpayers. We went through this before when Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac were instructed to extend credit for home purchases to people who would never financially qualify for that credit. The result (the 2008 meltdown) was terribly destructive. But it should be remembered, that destruction was a direct result of politically motivated lax banking regulation and politically motivated lending decisions.
There is no free lunch, and when one is promised, we should all hold on to our wallets.
I get the bit about no free lunches.
We have had a couple of bank enquiries in Australia.
Banks, like a lot of other businesses, have the right to charge what they can get away with.
However I feel a credit card interest rate for normal people should at the most be just a bit higher than say a mortgage repayment, not an out and out rip off that the banks seem to gravitate to when they get a chance.
Not asking the banks to finance high risk borrowers.
Giving people who’ve made poor choices with credit, credit with 25%+ interest isn’t even in the best interest of the people willing to sign up for paying that rate. You’re allowing them to dig a hole of which they will never get out.
AndrewP,
Sure, many people make very poor financial choices. And yes, many dig themselves into a hole they can never escape….. save for bankruptcy. And that is what causes those very high interest rates, not the other way around.
When someone with no credit card has a plugged sewer line, how will they pay a plumber to open it if they have no cash? A loan shark? A payday lender? Serious questions, not rhetorical.
SteveF wrote: “20% on a credit cad means the cardholder has a significant chance of default or bankruptcy.”
According to wallet hub (a year ago), interest rates for people with very good credit scores range from 19.2% to 26.4%. The average is over 20%. So rates over 20% are not just for people with bad credit.
https://wallethub.com/edu/cc/average-credit-card-interest-rate-by-credit-score/137854
Are rates too high? Seems like it to me, but I don’t really know.
I’m not the free market fundamentalist I once was, I accept that market optimization isn’t everything, particularly when the game is global but national interests are local. This said, questions like ‘are rates too high’ still make me shudder a little. What does ‘too high’ mean? I think if we venture too far away from our roots, we do so at our peril.
Put plainly, I wouldn’t screw with that, personally.
A beast of a ground drone, more like a mini tank, captured four Russians. The link shows an image of the unit.
OSINT:
“As per Ukrainian military, a few hours ago a truly cyberpunk moment occurred when a Ukrainian ground drone armed with a machine gun captured 4 Russian infantrymen.”
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2014634820962255204?s=61
I was going to make a similar comment to Mike M.’s above. My credit cards are auto-paid in full each month so I don’t worry about the rates, but they are stated at the end of each month’s bill. Each has several rates given, with the highest rate reserved for cash advances. One card starts at 17.5%, another at 19.5%, a third at 21.5%, etc.
I’m not in favor of the government’s interference in this matter, but the rates do seem quite high considering my credit rating. It’s a highly competitive market though, so I assume there’s a good business reason.
Well now, the social media site “Blue Lives Matter” has posted that they ran a scam on the anti-ICE protesters.
They fed hotlines across the United States that ICE agents were drinking at certain bars. Problem was there were no ICE agents in the bars and when the protesters showed up with her signs and their weird outfits,they were biker bars. I would’ve liked to have been a fly on the wall in those places.
Link to the Blue Lives Matter announcement:
https://x.com/bluelivesmtr/status/2014692696879755266?s=61
Harold W,
If they are auto-pay to zero every month, then the rate doesn’t matter, of course. (As with my cards.) Truth is, people with very good credit scores tend to not carry much if any card balance. Which is in part why national average rates are so high…. the biggest balances are carried by people that present greater credit risk.
I believe rates for those with a FICO score over 840 range from about 13% to 16% if they shop around.
Secured loans for those with good credit scores can be much lower. It is all about the risk.
I don’t like it when government interferes with private agreements and at the end of the day, loans are private agreements.
Instead of dictating maximum interest rates allowable (which will be made up for with incidental fees, strict deadlines for payment, etc.), the government should be studying why there is such a large disparity between interest paid on savings accounts (usually much less than 0.5% right now) and the interest charged in loans for even people with excellent credit.
The government should also not be forcing lenders to extend loans to people who are unlikely to be able to pay them back. That thinking has run us through at least 2 financial crises in my lifetime.
While the MSM likes to blame Bush the Younger for the 2007-2008 financial crisis, that crisis was long overdue and attributable to the housing bubble created during the Clinton administration. I remember an article in that bastion of conservatism, the Washington Post, in the late 90s talking about how people were using their homes as ATMs and continually flipping the houses upward and how that was a risk to the economy. Something about how dangerous it was when no one batted an eye at someone making $60K/yr buying a $400K house with no money down.
America needs to get back to its historic Yankee thriftiness and learn to quit buying things they can’t afford, the difference between need and want, and that it’s Uncle Sam, not Uncle Sugar.
FWIW, credit card interest rates in the USA are near record highs: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TERMCBCCALLNS
The Fed raising interest rates a from near zero in 2022 had something to do with that.
Derek H,
I met a guy in 2006 who was about 35 YO and claimed to be “retired”….. he contracted multiple parallel home constructions (at the time he said he had 6 houses under construction) and got approved on loans for each via “no-documentation” loan plans (he may have lied on loan applications, of course). He counted on lining up a buyer for each new house as it neared completion…at a 7% to 10% premium over the contracted construction price… and claimed to have “flipped” more than a dozen houses in the previous 12 months.
I am sure he went down in flames when the music stopped, and left the banks (really taxpayers!) holding the bag. Bad government policies lead to bad outcomes.
Assuming there is adequate competition then the charges to revolvers should reflect the cost of revolvers. This suggests there is a large amount of debt not being paid back. One reason why the costs are higher than a mortgages is the debt is unsecured, they can’t come take your stuff when you default and that debt is thrown out in bankruptcy.
As SteveF said above they can allow more sketchy customers if they raise their rates. If they are mandated to lower rates then they must stop giving out credit to these people. It is arguable that these are the most in need of credit but invariably it is their own life choices that got them in this hole to begin with. Some are truly victims of circumstances however.
The other side of the ledger is the Dave Ramsey school of finance, do not carry credit card debt ever, and if you ever have this debt, pay it off first. They need to teach this stuff in school.
As HaroldW and we do, pay our credit card charges on line and on time.
I assume that the credit part of this is beneficial to the bank, and withut governemnt meddling would be market driven; which it ought to be.
If there is a downside to paying on time and not accumulating any debt of this sort, your credit rating cannot be perfect because the bureaus don’t have any dept retirement information to deal with.
We did get a mortgage durinf our recent condo-purchase error and I think that got our credti score up to within 5 points of the best possible. No-one we could find had any idea why it wasn’t perfect.
While I’m here, and likely to the incredulity of HaroldW and Stevef who I think are our only collaegues how have ever met me, I’ve discovered that among likely millions I’m descended from William the Conqueror. This is documented all the way back with contemporary records. Also one of the witches of Salem, another was a cousin.
One of the surprises of this discovery was that there was only a single discoverable pedigree collapse, namely 1st or 2nd cousin marriage; in the colonies in 18th century. I feel there should be more. There’s an online service which will look for these. Frankly, I can’t believe there aren’t more, which makse me want to cjheck all of the records which support this essentiallt meaningless discovery.
Friend turned out to be descended not only from William the conqueror but Charlemagne AND one of the witches. My connection was via John Seymour father of Jane Seymour 3rd wife of Henry 8. Hers included Willaim III who seems reliably preceeded by Charlemagne.
And of oucres art this point there are probably millions who could write the same thing.
I never paid attention to credit card rates since I pay in full every month. The card I normally use (because cash back) has a rate of 26.49%. My credit score is 850 out of a possible 850. The card I don’t use has a rate of 16.25%. I will have to remember that if I ever decide I need to run a balance.
All that said I wouldn’t be against an investigation of collusion in the credit card industry. Visa / Mastercard run a duopoly on the transaction fee side of the industry. Why are swipe fees the same for decades?
MikeM,
Like you I pay off my cards and don’t pay attention to the rate.